 Nigeria is ranked sixth in the world for organized crime according to the 2023 global organized crime index. The report stated that Nigeria continues to face a series of security challenges, corruption and other criminal activities according to the survey done by the Global Initiative against Transnational Organized Crime. The status of organized criminality in Nigeria increased by 0.13 points. Nigeria scored 7.28 of 10 points, which makes it the sixth in the world and second highest in Africa behind the Democratic Republic of Congo and the head of South Africa. Joining me to discuss this is Uppanabou Inko Tariah. He is a civil rights advocate. Mr. Tariah, thank you so much for joining us. Good evening. I think the first thing that crosses the mind of the average person is that why are we not topping other leases, especially when it comes to productive things and positivity? But then again, this also does shed the light on things that we need to take a look at as Nigerians. So I ask you, why do you think we continually top the list? The answer is not perfect. I am not surprised. I am really not surprised. Because when you look at our antecedents and the antecedents of our leaders, it is not surprising to find those in that list. And when you talk of crimes, you are not just talking about organized crimes, such as in Boko Haram, such as in Niger Delta militancy and all that. You go beyond that. You also talk about institutionalized crime that is going on in the country. And when you put all of these together, you will argue with me, especially as a Nigerian, that yes, we don't even need to be obsessed with the world, we have to be the minds in the world if you consider, take on our violence, all these other issues. You are talking of Boko Haram as well-organized. You are talking of militancy, of course, as well-organized. You are talking of a lot of them. Then if you also consider the Gura Thai issue, that alone gives the name for any further proof that this is state-organized crime. How did this all happen? It is that. Elections. Most of these boys were recruited by politicians who were desperate to win their elections. I can say this authentically. Who were desperate enough to win their elections. And most of these boys were armed. They were giving guns. They were giving warnings. At the end of the elections, these guns were now the truth from them. Even when they were sent to admit to cheat these girls from them, the boys refused. They said no. And because they also enjoyed the fruits of crime, with their benefactors also enjoy as well by extension. They refused to surrender their guns. There was Tom Polo, for example. I will use him as a very good example. What I would like him to know, I am very sorry to say, can be classified as a criminal. But with the charge of the waterways, the same Tom Polo. So, in so many instances in Canada, you have rewards for crimes and criminalism. Rather than being penalized for your acts taking against the nation, you are going to reward them for those acts taking against the nation. And that is why you have to, what is the Navy doing? Why would such a man be in charge of the waterways? A man you have killed that was also declared wanted by the Federal Government, condemned by the Federal Government as a criminal, is the same man being employed by the Federal Government to protect waterways. What is the job of the Navy? What is the job of the Civil Defence? Why is the Civil Defence weak? Most times they intentionally weaken the government institutions. And in the case where they want someone to strengthen those institutions, you have some bad acts in the system. So some of them are in the system. Now let's show that the efforts, the efforts of both of them are extreme because they benefit the members of the government. I also talked about the Dupura challenge. You agree with me that the Dupura five successors, the authority army chief, who was eventually killed, or who eventually died, controversial circumstances, said to the world that there was nothing to show for the amount of money we need to Dupura die. The NSA also said this to the world. I'm not saying you spoke to Namo. They all spoke, press conference. That look, there is nothing to show to justify the amount of money we need to Dupura die. Dupura die was rewarded with what? Ambassador, but we don't think there is a case for Dupura. And the institution that helped yesterday, and did the same thing to enjoy the fruits of crime. We see them living lavishly, driving SUVs, bulletproof vehicles, building big houses and so on. They wanted the younger ones. Which means there is a reward in crime and criminalism. Just like a lecture, they will tell you when whichever way you want to win, and we go to court. The criminal is the first to tell you go to court. You know why? Even the judicial is not provided. You also have justices and judges who are criminal. I will tell you, don't tell them to provide. You should look at how I said it. His wife was the president of the court of appeal. When he said to his colleagues that most of you would have been here just for my wife. In Tozoku, I decided to help them. The female judge will cry out. Money is not given to my colleagues, but I will reject. She cried out in the recent petition to pull up. Do you need the data proof? This is the decision of what we will do with God knows and of what we will do with God knows as well. It was a taboo in those things. It was like that was the job. It was a taboo. You dare not. If it was possible to come and do it, you are restricted from doing certain things. Even your membership of the court is withdrawn. Even though withdrawn, let's say you withdraw it. Let me not say it is wrong. You withdraw it. Because you don't want to be seen. It is mainly with the public. But this is not a crime. To see that a judge... Go to God's house and see if the judge is still there. For hours waiting for you to come home. Is that not shame? To all talk of crime, you are talking about the amount of issues. You have the issue of the militants. You have the issue of the Boko Haram. You have the issue of all that. You also have the institutionalized crime. That's what we do today. What is PhD and doing? They give you bills if you don't come to them. They artificially increase their tariffs. That is the one we pay today. What we are supposed to pay. Is that not crime? Is the system blind? The one that is not crime? Let me... What is the driving force? You said people are trying to drive through subsidy. What are you supposed to do? As we speak today, nobody has named and saved anybody involved. Let me butt in here. There is also that... It is very easy for... When we talk about crime... Hold on. It is very easy for us to point fingers at the people who are in office. And I am not in any way absolving them. But then there are people who aid and abate these people. Because if the people themselves... Who are society... Hold a mirror to themselves and say... Well, we will not allow for this to happen. Maybe we would not have this... Maybe we would not have what you call institutionalized crime. So again, I am asking... Are we not playing a part in this crime that you seem to just only mention... I don't know if you are saying... What is the government doing? The eyes closed. I asked the question. You said, aid and abate. What is abate to say? You said, no crime can be subjected to without the permission of the government. Why is it that you will still... Foul? Are you going to prison? And another person will still... Spoon? Are you going to take a car or a house? How will you free your technical ground? Well, put that said, technology in law is a bit thoughtless. What is the issue of technology in law? This is an ass. We agree. Whichever way you want it to go is like the pendulum. But then we are talking of justice. We are not talking of judgment. Look at what you call the CCDDI chairman. What has happened to his case? Because he assaulted a woman. What has happened to his case? Is there no crime? What they do is they go to court and the martyrs are done, Senators. Forever. Why they try to settle behind doors. Is there no crime? How did that party arrive as Senate president? The electoral act is lucy. Let us face facts. Let us talk of absorbing people. The electoral act is lucy. You cannot have two nominations. What you ask of the election, Senator Kanda, is there no crime? Why? Because the party is Senate president, because of his clouds. Let's control his way of speech. Let's talk. What are we telling the next man? What are we telling our kids? Anything goes. Perfect. Let's talk about solutions in social engineering. and social engineering because what you're talking about now is that of course there is a mindset that has obviously taken over. How do we socially engineer a change of mindsets because I mean whatever we're trying to talk about what we're trying to do. Mine is radical. We have to you know they say you destroy a system to save a system. How so? I'm a radical opposed to this. I will call for the general manager. Yes, a situation where all of you are laughing because you know the story. You know he took over for a hundred over the first time, was not satisfied and he didn't get and he saw what happened. I want the general's approach because if today you say these people are going to defend of their sins it's going to be a fit in the people's soul. They're selling so much their kids are beneficiaries of their tech that they will not even want to change. There's an anomaly in the system. A mindset where anything goes it has permeated every aspect, every fabric of our society. That's how we get around the system. Well, who's going to do that? I also call for it. Again. That's what I'm saying. It's going to happen. It's going to happen very soon because when you're pushed to the wall you back back with the normal approach. Nobody will be aligned something they have to say to that approach. Again, I'd like to put a caveat out there. We're not in any way calling for violence or any such but then if we must have a radical change or mindset re-engineering in this country, who's going to lead the charge because you know very often we say government should. I was asking the question. Yeah, I was asking the question. I don't know if it's one of the most spontaneous and I said the answer is the dress rehearsal. Then again, you cannot come. Where did we end? Where did we end? Where did we end with answers? I mean. I don't know. The dress rehearsal does not give you a conclusion. It gives you an inkling. That's why it says the dress rehearsal. And it was a spontaneous reaction. It does not give you the answer to the confusion. It only tells you what will happen. That's why it's the dress rehearsal. Don't hold out the Sahel appointment. You know what I'm talking about because I'm on your station so that I'm busy to not write to you tomorrow. I don't want to give you the name because you know what I'm talking about. Sahel video. It can also happen. And I can tell you 90% of Nigerians are praying for the Sahel. But that in itself is not a solution. Unfortunately, I feel that this is a very skewed mindset that we think that calling for a junta would solve our problems. These people in themselves are people who just said the constitution. They do not believe in democracy. Why would we be calling for a junta? It does not solve the problem. No, do you know what? Something might not be right, but expedient. How is it expedient? As of today, Mali has postponed its democratic elections because again, one surges are empowered. Let me finish because you are asking the question I would have answered if you allow me. Go ahead, please. Who gives a hoot about the postponement? Who gives a hoot about postponement? Who wants democracy in the hurry? Do we have democracy in Nigeria? What do you have in just Syriac to come out of the niceties and the complexities? That's all we have every couple of years. It's just democracy. What's different between the junta and the imposing microstomy of the majority of Nigeria? What's the difference? If you vote for Mr. A and they give it to Mr. C, is that democracy? So what's the difference? There's a difference. The only thing is that you don't have a legislative arm. That's the only difference when you have a junta. And you have to agree with me that as a result of the executive recklessness, we don't even have what we have because if you want to call a state with arm, what we have is militia from making. You can't describe that. It's just we have what's his name, Mr. A and Mr. C, he's telling me when they are about to claim him, a senior president has to leave the city to go to the president and we have to get clearance from the parliament. Is that what you call this? But two wrongs don't make it right. So how are we going from frying pan to fire? You say, oh, well, since this one is not so great. You destroy a system and that's what you call it. You destroy it. Let me tell you why this is going on because there are no duty measures. Everybody is allowed to do what he wants to do with it. Give it. When they take over, you are forcing me to give it a demo. I don't want to cross give in trouble with that. But when they take over, for example, when they take over and do the cleansing because we need the cleansing and do that cleansing, nobody is in support of a militia to cover. But when it is necessary and most of these criminals are forced of their wealth and support and are made to face a crime, it will serve as a lesson to a lot of people. Look, the minds ask you, those days you have been respected for your intelligence and your academic laurels. Today they ask you, who book health? Let me say the F, who book F? That's what they ask you today. Today you have PhD holders who got their first degree to PhD as politicians who are either legislature or commissioners or ministers. Before they got that point, there was no single political attack to their name. You have a minister who is a lawyer today. Who did not do NYC? What are you talking about? In closing. Why NYC? Why am I doing NYC? Why will I send my kids to die in the north for nothing? Meanwhile, she can be a minister and a president. I can also be a president without having anybody who knows me, who knew me, school. Okay, in closing. In closing, we have to go, we have to go, we have to go to university. We have to go. Unfortunately, we're out of time. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. We have to go. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you so much for speaking with us on the show tonight. We appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right. Well, that's it on the show tonight. We'll be back tomorrow, still talking for development. I'm Mary Anakorn. Do have a pleasant evening.