 for Hawaii State of Clean Energy. Our sponsor is the Hawaii Energy Policy Forum and the forum looks for good policy to advance Hawaii's energy policies. And also the sponsor, another sponsor is the Hawaii Natural Energy Institute. I should know that off my heart because it's my organization who actually provides funding to support the show. So today we're really lucky to have Bill Brooks who's the president of Energy Specialist Hawaii LLC. And we're gonna be talking about Nega Watts and insulation and the investments you can make so that you don't have to cool a room using very expensive electricity if you properly insulate it. So that's why we call it Nega Watts. So I first came across this at a visit up to Pu'uawa Ranch where I was visiting Paul Panthio at Blue Planet R&D. And he had a shipping container out in the yard. It was chock full of batteries but you went inside it was cool as anything. There was no air conditioning at all. And I thought, wow, this is kind of neat. What's the secret here? And Paul told me all about this super insulating paint that he had applied to this container. It looked awesome and if you went out in the sunlight and touched it, it was like cool to the touch. So having my own shipping container full of equipment down at Nalhaw, I thought, ah, I've gotta have this. So I engaged Bill to coat our 40 foot shipping container with this product that he's gonna talk about. I'm not gonna steal his thunder. And lo and behold, it dropped the temperature by 15 to 20 degrees and actually made it livable. And we predict it's gonna reduce our air conditioning load and help our equipment survive in these harsh environments. So this is really good stuff and I wanted to share it with everybody out there. You know, when we go out and do our R&D and we find something that really works, it's good to pass the word along because that's what we do at universities. We find things that are good for the people, solves a problem. And the key is to get it out and we're getting it out to you on Think Tech Hawaii. So enough of me talking, Bill, please tell us all about your product. Be my pleasure. First thing I'd like to address is not a paint, is a coating and a big difference between a paint and a coating. This coating contains four different types of ceramics that are doing the trick. When you think of insulation, you think of the capacity like R factor. I get that question all the time. Well, what's the R factor? Well, there is no R factor. R factor is a capacity of an insulation to resist heat transfer to the inside of a building or whatever. Whereas with supertherm, it's basically blocking 95% of the solar gain. It never loads onto the surface. And that's why you can walk up and touch the side of the container when it's under full sun and it'll still be right at ambient temperature usually two to 10 degrees above, maybe but hardly noticeable to even feel. And that's a real brief scenario about supertherm. So, you just identified the name of the product, supertherm, and you talked about ceramic microbeads. I once became aware of coatings like this several years ago. I did my own test. I took a Coke can, which is about the thinnest aluminum that you'll ever find next to aluminum foil, and I coated it with a similar product. Maybe it was the same one because it was a few years ago. And then I poured boiling water into the can and I could actually pick up the can in my bare hand and not feel any heat coming through it. It was like, wow, this is really magic. So, I totally get it and everybody else has got to get it. So, Bill, tell us a little bit more about it. How do you apply it? What kind of conditions? Supertherm itself and the majority of the coatings that they manufacture and superior products in international is the actual manufacturer and the one that created all of these products. And they created actually, there's 26 individual products that they have now that are all specialty products that are high tech and nature and just through phenomenal things. The supertherm scenario is basically the key is blocking heat before it actually penetrates the building. And that's why you're experiencing the significant heat differences that you are is because the heat simply is not loading to the building. You have in some of the slides that I gave you, there's some description of that. It addresses the actual ceramics themselves. You have four different types of ceramics in supertherm. Three of them are blocking the individual solar radiation waves and are designed to match exactly those waves. And therefore blocking it that way. The fourth one is just so, how can I say? So, lower density that enables the supertherm to basically block any loading onto the building of the solar energy. So that's the key to it and how it works. So what kind of applications are there out there? Sorry, go ahead. Yeah, I was gonna say when you, if we can look at some of the slides and one of the, that first slide that I gave you on supertherm, no, that's me. The first one on supertherm. Can we get that up? Yes, that one there. Now that's a Nissan building in Japan. Japan, by the way, has, there's container loads of this stuff that has gone to Japan. They test it initially very thoroughly where it's impressed as you are. And if you look down at the other slides down below there, you'll see everything from, you know, storage vessels and transportation, refrigerator, transportation vessels of a ship and commercial buildings. The other one you see is a railing on Hoover Dam. When Hoover Dam, they put that bridge across there and they had this railing on there. Once they got the thing manufactured, the railing was at going up to, what was it, 146 to 148 degrees. And as a result, you know, people were burning their hands. So they, so we can't have this. And so they installed supertherm, tested a lot of different products and ended up saying this was the best, put supertherm on there and were able to drop it down to 127 with an ambient temperature of 121. So it was basically just six degrees or so above ambient temperature, but enough to where people could, you know, rest on it and put their hands on it without hurting themselves. So what about putting it on roofs? Like, you know, if I have a house here in Hawaii and I have a flat roof or any kind of a roof, you know, having existing shingles, what's the deal and how long does it last? Well, the second slide I gave you, there's one of the reasons I put that second slide in there is because I thought it would be interesting to you to address that question. This is a commercial operation in Kansas in the vicinity of the manufacturers. One of the first things that they did with supertherm 40 years ago. They went back recently in July and tested everything. Initial DFT on it was like 15 mil. So it decreased in mil to 13, but the bottom line was that the efficiency of it, there was no signs of flaking or breakdown of the finish at all. And it continued to keep the building at just over, I think it was like 90 degrees above ambient. From 145, they tested the actual roof area where there was no supertherms 140, there's 145, and then they dropped it, we're able to drop that down to 98 for with supertherms. That's amazing. That's amazing and to be honest with you, when I first ran across this, I literally flew to Shawnee, Kansas, well, Kansas city and drove to Shawnee and to meet the manufacturer and to see everything and to learn about it. But the reason that they have been so successful with it, there's other ceramic products out there. They have literally tested 10,000 different ceramics and creating all the specialty products that they have. So that's how they have come up with something that works so well. And then they documented it with the department of energy and various other federal agencies and government agencies all around the world. So can you apply it over existing shingles? Or do I have to strip my shingles off and put a new, like? If you had a shingled roof, there's another base product that you would want to put on there initially, but then you would put supertherm over the top of that. And of course, they have the base product as well. But as far as you can put this on pretty much any type of material that you would think of in the way of roofing and siding materials, you know, wood, you could put it on wood, you could put it on asphalt roofs, you can put it on gravel, pitch and gravel roofs, you can put it on metal, of course, and various other, and the tiles, tile roofs. There's one slide in there that even shows you that the effectiveness of the various effects on various different roofs. That's one on just showing you the temperature differences that I was just going, go to the next slide. Yeah, this slide right here is addressing what I mentioned to you earlier, the difference between insulation and the R-factor scenario that R-factor is based on cornings, developed process for measuring the effectiveness of resisting heat transfer through a medium. Like whether it's fiberglass or foam or wool or whatever, but basically that's how that insulation works is it traps the heat as much as possible and reduces the transfer to the other site, doesn't eliminate it, just reduces it. And the important thing to understand about that kind of insulation, as soon as you compress it and shove it in between the rafters, you basically, as you compress it, you're reducing that R-factor, and not only that, but then you've got steel beams or wooden beams and what he had between each side that aren't covered at all. And that's why this product is so effective in making the reduction, even when you have some insulation in there already. So in addition to keeping the heat out, you're putting it on a roof. So what's its compatibility with water and rain and everything like that? That one slide that you saw there about the manufacturing plant there in Kansas, I mean, that's zero weather in the winter with blizzards and snow and freezing rains and what have you. And then in the summer it gets up to 100 degrees. So they have like one of the most challenging climates from that standpoint, that doesn't have a factor on it at all. Not only that, but an interesting thing to note is that even when it gets dirty, like from dust or pollen or what have you, it doesn't reduce the effectiveness of preventing it from loading heat. The other thing that's worth noting too is it's a moisture barrier. And at the same time, it's also a sound barrier. It actually helps reduce sound. So especially on a situation like you guys have here with your container, when you're inside that container will actually help reduce outside noise. And I forget the exact percentage, it's just not major, but it's definitely a factor. It also resists mold and mildew and stuff like that as well. Really, so can I just buy a bucket of this stuff and apply it myself? Or do I have to do a special operation technique? Yes, obviously you could buy it, but I mean, the manufacturer is very picky as Erin knows, before I created a contract with you guys, there was forms that I had to fill out, giving them the exact specifics on exactly what was going to be used for and the characteristics of that, because they wanna make sure that everything they sell is used properly. And so, yes, you can do it yourself, but and I can supply you with the various instructions so that you know how to do it properly. And that's the one thing that they wanna be confident of is anybody we sell it to, we wanna know that they are gonna use it properly, because that's, we know from experience that if it is done that way, we're gonna have the same results as you're having here at Mount Hall. So we got a pretty bad salt air environment here, where salt gets on everything and grows it. So as part of the process, what kind of prep was required and what is the correct process for putting this voting on? Well, one of the things when I got involved with this that I learned about that I had never even heard of was microsalts. The average contractor doesn't seem to even be familiar with it, but I've studied a lot about it because they insist on you knowing about it. The reason that before we coded the wash with a product called Chlorid, which actually eliminates all the, not only regular salt, but also eliminates the microsalts that are attached to the substrate. As a result, that's how you get, you know, a 30 year lifespan out of it. Okay. And so occasion, it can, doesn't have to be sprayed like we did with your container. It can be rolled and are brushed as well. So our fence that we just put up like about a year and a half ago, which is galvanized is already rusting. It's looking pretty bad. I'm not sure how long it's gonna last. So, tell us about. The first slide on rust grip and I'll show you how we're gonna make that last a lot longer than you thought. Rust grip is another product that they created. J.E., the manufacturer behind this, is one of those people just loves challenges. And everything, all these products that he's made, he's created versus where he went to the field and says, what's your challenge? What's your problem? And then he went into the lab and came up with a solution. Now, if you look at that slide on rust grip, you'll see that the oil rigs there was originally designed and most of their products were designed around the oil and petrochemical industry. And you can see the numerous applications of it there. Go to the next slide, please. This gives you a feel for it. Rust grip is a product that was designed to encapsulate rust and various other things as well. It also encapsulates, it's been EPA approved as an encapsulant for lead-based paints and for asbestos as well. And if you see in the photos there, you see all types of different surfaces in what heavy that it has been used on. Oil, the actual pipes that they use in the oil rigs and stuff like that, they use it on that because of their working in a salt, very salt environment. With your product out, with the fencing and what have you out here, we can use rust grip on that, right? And you don't have to take it down to white metal. In fact, you don't want to. You actually just take all the loose rust off, blow that off with a high-push wash, then really get nice and dry and then put this rust grip on there. Rust grip penetrates through the rust and locks in to the substrate. And once it does that, the exterior finish over to 6,780 PSI potential strength. So it's got an extremely hard and durable finish. That keeps oxygen and moisture away from the substrate. And once you do that, rust cannot survive. It has to have moisture and oxygen. So that's why it's used as an encapsulant for rust. And it's also can be used as an encapsulant for lead-based paints. It's been proven in independent labs to penetrate through up to 18 layers of lead-based paint and still walk into the substrate and be functional. Thanks like that. What are- Go ahead. So what if I have some really hot pipes with very hot liquids running through them? Can I apply rust grip or super-therm or bowl? And how would I do that? In some cases, you might want to apply rust grip, especially if there has been a serious case of corrosion under the insulation. CUI is the term issues. For when you have pipes that have been insulated and especially with the jackets around them, you still have moisture and air penetration. And as a result, you often have oxidation, especially depending on the type of material that is there. If you have serious oxidation, then yes, we could use rust grip on it. But if it's not real serious, we can just go over it with the hot pipe coating. The hot pipe coating is another high-tech product that they've created. It also has numerous ceramic compounds in it. And it can be applied to a hot pipe. You don't have to shut down operation or anything. There's three different versions of it range, depending on the temperature range of what you're working with up to 350 is one. And then up to 500, and I'm talking Fahrenheit, up to 500 is another one. And then on up to I think it's 1112 degrees Fahrenheit is the HPCHT. All of these products can be used right on the pipe. You don't shut down anything. You just spray it on, apply it on. It could be rolled or whatever. And the advantage of it, especially if you pull up one of the slides there on the HPC that I gave you. Yes, you see how it's coating all kinds of different structures have you. And the advantage of that is that a lot of times like with valves and elbows and stuff like this is hard to get a good insulated factor on there even with the available insulation materials. Whereas with this, it makes no difference what the contour is. You can just spray it right onto it. While it's hot, it cured within minutes because it's cured by heat. And as a result, the temperature differentials are dramatic. I mean, dramatic. And if you go to the next slide that they have on that, I think there's an example of that. Yes, okay. So now here's an example and you see the upper left-hand corner, that's old conventional insulation, but even there it comes up to a fitting that is exposed. And you've got the problem of oxidation and what have you underneath it. But once you put the hot pipe coating on there, if you didn't have radical oxidation, you could just use that. And because it's gonna do the same thing as rust grip does, it's gonna isolate the pipe surface from oxygen and moisture. And as a result, you have incredible capacities to insulate that pipe, maintaining interior temperatures. And as a result of the higher you can keep that interior temperature up, then your pressures go up as well. And what have you is much more efficient from operation. Assuming you're working with hot materials, whether it's steam or other mediums that you benefit from being maintained from a temperature standpoint. So talk to us a little bit about environmental things like cleanup and the hot, you know, is it just, do you just wash it off with water or does it require a special chemical? What the water, what is the smoke of a water tank? APC is water-based and so is a super therm. Rust grip is a kind of vein where it takes a little more procedure to clean up afterwards because of the metallic compounds in it and what have you, but we have that down and anybody that's gonna use it, you know, we'll show them exactly how to do it safely and carefully. So Bill, do you actually apply this yourself, your company, or do you use contractors? How does that work? Well, in fact, I'm even looking for contractors now that I can set up as dealers and what have you. And I definitely enter for the various islands. I just recently made a decision to get aggressive with this product line. I'll be doing a trade show on the March 11th and 12th, the Hawaii Building Facilities Property Management Expo at the Bayesdale. I'll be in booth 807 there and if you're listening to this and you wanna learn about all of these other products and what I'm getting into. But yes, I try, many years ago, I used to do all the labor and what have you myself, but over the years I've tried using more my brain than my hand business. That's always a good thing. There's always a very difficult, I applied some coating to a roof in the hot blazing sun. It took five days and I said, man, am I ever glad? I don't have to do this every day for a living. It was really brutal up there on that roof. So Bill, we're running down the clock here and so we have enough time for a little wrap up from you. Anything we didn't cover that you wanna make a point of and the last thing we wanna talk about is how do we contact you? Before we do that, just what have we not talked about? Well, I mentioned to you that there's 26 products that these guys have. There's, one of them is a line they call enamel grip. There's several different versions of that. One of the ones that kind of fascinates you like a, one of them is urethane, another one is high solids polyester scenario and they have one that's called enamel grip S-A-S. And it was developed, and let me tell you, J.E. loves to solve problems. So one of the Italian distributors was saying, guys, should we use an enamel grip? It's so beautiful and everything, but then the kids come along and tag the subway cars and you got all kind of photos of what a mess that made. And so J.E. created the enamel grip S-A-S and it's such a hard, smooth finish that when you put it on there, they can come along and tag it with anything they want and the service guide can turn around and wipe it off. That's a special thing that they have that just, you just wipe this stuff back off rather than having to repaint the place, whether it's a bridge or whatever it is that you're trying to eliminate the graffiti on. So with that work on concrete, you know how these little guys love to paint concrete? This also never was going to help with the graffiti on concrete. Yep, yes, it can be used on concrete and other services as well. The other one of the various ones that definitely has my attention because of what we do here in Hawaii, there's so much and especially for you guys out here at Melhau, it's called moist metal grip. And it's something that he created for people who have condensate, you know, pipes that are having condensation issues all the time or for one reason or another have water on them. And you can go over the surface that needs to be covered with this. It will penetrate through the water, lock into the substrate and give you a protective finish on a wet surface. We're running out of time, Bill. So let's just flash up Bill's contacts. So you know how to contact Bill when you watch this video again and please send it out to all your friends. You wanna save money and keep cool. This is a very cool product and it will save you a lot of money. So this is think tech Hawaii and Hawaii, the state of clean energy trying to save you money and keep you cool at the same time. Signing off and we'll be back next week. Thank you so much, Bill. It was great to hear about this super product. My pleasure, Mish. My pleasure. Come and see me at the trade show March 11th and 12th. Everybody's at 11th and 11th and 12th retail. We'll be there. Aloha. Sounds good, bro. Aloha.