 Hello and welcome to MIPTV and with me is the reviewer of literature himself, Mr Bob Cook. How are you doing, Bob? I'm doing very well. And we've got a bit of an interesting book to review today. Intro to TA by Bill or William, depending on how well you know him, F Cornell. And just at the preamble you were telling me that this book really talks about TA in a slightly different way. I wonder what your view of it is, Bob? Okay, it's one of the most modern books in TA, came out six or seven months ago, late end of 2016. So right up to date, edited by Bill Cannell and some well-known European TA people. Okay, he called the intro to TA because really it's an introduction to TA in the clinical field, but as well as the clinical field, the organisational field, the educational field and the counselling field. So he talks about how TA is used within education establishments, with organisations and within counselling specifically in America. How interesting. And so it sounds to me like this is a book that maybe people who are studying TA or a TA therapist may be interested in. But also it sounds like other disciplines, education, organisations, I'm thinking the management may be interested in looking at it because it applies TA to different circumstances and different situations other than therapy. Yeah, so let's take the educational field, which is about 5% of the membership of the TA community in the UK, but abroad much more. So the sort of things we'll be talking about here is how to use parent adult child, the personality model within the school and specifically for the staff, of course. So just like strokes, behavioural enforcement, games, rackets, the major principles and how to see how they're played out and utilised within an educational setting. In the United Kingdom, I think the person well known for bringing TA into education is Giles Barrow, who had just brought out a book in fact called Transaction Analysis and Education. So he's taken the concepts into the school, the staff, the headmaster's room and how we can utilise these concepts for change in action. It's interesting, isn't it? It just goes to show how TA has got such a wide reach. A lot of people think TA just in therapy, but what I'm hearing you say Bob is that it can be used in different circumstances. And in fact, someone's written a book about education. So how do you think it can be used in education? You talked about the staff room and working with colleagues. How do you think it might apply in education? Well, if you go onto the teacher's channel on YouTube, there's a marvellous video clip for about 25 minutes of a school in Bradford where they use TA concepts exclusively, especially the terms of strokes, positive strokes. How we can use positive strokes in behavioural reinforcement and can get children to actually understand the concepts of negative and positive processes in education. That's one aspect. Then you've got the aspect of contracts, for example, in education. You've got the concepts of behavioural, repetitive patterns in education. So there's many different ways. I like the idea of the parent-adult-child model particularly. So, for example, what internalised parent do the children operate from and what parent are they projecting onto the teachers, the staff, people and other kids, for example? Yeah, it is really interesting. I would imagine that in education the whole school would have to buy into this. So it just wouldn't be the children. It would have to be the staff. And to some extent, I would imagine it would have to be taught to parents, maybe. Yeah, and also the idea of empathy. The idea of empathy is really explored in this YouTube video. And you're right, T-8 of parents, T-8 of the staff room, T-8 of the kids. I mean, the kids really understand the idea of child-eagustate, the free part of the eagustate, spontaneity, letting the child out, and the idea of the adapted child rebelling or complying to a projection of the parent or the internalised parent. So it's a really interesting mix. And kids particularly like the idea of PAC. Yeah, it's such an elegant theory, isn't it? And I would imagine easily grasped by a young person that I can understand its appeal. So the book's called Intro to T-8. It's by William F. Cornell or Bill, if you know him. Also talk about organisations. Right. For example, how do you use T-8 concepts in organisations? So for example, the culture of one organisation may be parent-led, the culture of another organisation might be child-led, and the organisation culture of another process might be adult-led. And how you operate within these different organisations according to different cultures is really interesting. Yeah, I suppose it's a link into things like management styles and leadership styles and that type of thing. I know that when I was in education, I was invited to teach a little bit of T-8 on management training courses for ILM, Institute of Leadership and Management. And it was really interesting explaining the parent-adult child model to people who are going to be managerial professionals because it's coming from the adult ego state. So important, isn't it, when you're doing any kind of management work? Really essential. And Julie Hay wrote a wonderful book about T-8. It was called T-8 for Managers. Oh, right. Yeah. And there's quite a few books really written in the organisational world. This one, as I said, is looking specifically how you use the concepts of PAC in the organisational structure, not only for the culture, but for the managers, like you just said. So really important. So it covers education, therapy and also managerial and counselling. What's the counselling aspect, Bob? How does it differ from maybe psychotherapy? Well, when you talk about counselling, it's far more popular term in Europe. So we have quite a big T-8 counselling sector in Europe. The difference is psychotherapy is really going back to somebody's history, making the connections between the past and the present. But counselling is using T-8 in the here and now and how to manage feelings and how to manage different processes using T-8 concepts. Yeah. So it sounds to me like it's a little small toolbox, maybe, that could be taught to a client to be able to get them to manage their own behaviour and their own transactions with others. Bob. Completely right. So it's quite a large book. It's over 600 pages covering different fields, but it's a very good, real compact, concise introduction of T-8 into the different fields. Well, it sounds like a fabulous read, Bob. As always, Bob isn't getting paid for this. This isn't a paid promotion. This is Bob just showing his love of literature. We'll put a link in the links bar below to the video that Bob discussed and also a link to the book. And at the end, we'll show a picture of the book and the name of it. So if this review's titled anybody's fancy, they can go and investigate it and maybe get the book for themselves. Yeah. Book number 14, will we? Book number 14. 14. As I said in the last one, we're going to pay Bob. In short, it's a T-8. William or Bill, depending if you know him or not, F Cornell. And as always, Bob, thank you very much. Thank you.