 Hello everyone, welcome back to Mind Pump. In this episode we talk about the biggest mistake that most people make when they're trying to bring up a lagging body part. In the second half of the show, the guys coach four live callers on questions such as, I have a hectic schedule, I don't have a lot of time, what's the best way for me to train? Another question was, I want to compete in a strongman competition, what's the best way for me to prepare? And finally, another question about, how can I stand out as a personal trainer and take my career to the next level? All right, enjoy the show. Here's a super common mistake people make when trying to bring up a lagging body part. They add volume to that body part, but they don't take that volume away from other body parts. In other words, they end up overtraining, trying to bring up a lagging body part. We talked about this with a recent caller. Yeah, we did. This is a common mistake that where somebody, you know, because you have like studies will show that a certain amount of volume will provide the best results per body part volume being like total sets, wraps, weight that you'd work for that body part. And then there's a total amount of volume that your body can handle just overall, right? And if you exceed that, then you're going to get diminishing returns. And a big mistake people make is they say, oh, I want to bring up my glutes. So let me just add 10 sets of that, but they don't take those 10 sets from other body parts and just throw it on top of their already, you know, hard workout and they end up overtrain their bodies because they're just adding too much total volume. Instead, what you need to do is take that volume away from maybe body parts that are strong areas that you don't necessarily need to focus on. That way you can apply that to the lagging body part. And then all of a sudden you'll see results. It's that old fallacy that more work will equal more results. Yes. And I did this, I think I think you're not doing enough, but really in a sense too, it's the overall. So you have to make sure you count for everything else. Yeah, I did this with when I increased the frequency of training my total body, I know you said you did the same thing Adam, where it's like, oh, look, studies are showing hitting a body part two or three days a week is ideal or better than one day a week. So I didn't I didn't cut my volume into three. I just tripled my volume. So I did 20 sets for body part, you know, three days a week. And then I was like, why isn't this working? Why is my body not responding? You have to account for all that. And this is just one of them. And we think because it's applied to a different body part that it doesn't affect the whole body, but it does. There's like body part specific volume. And then there's total body volume and there's a limit to both. Yeah. And do you think too that it depends on what muscle you're talking about too? Right. Cause obviously if you're trying to develop, let's say the back, the legs, the chest, a bigger muscle versus like a tricep and bicep. Sometimes I feel like I can just increase a little bit more volume or frequency with my buys and tries and not really change anything else and see a difference versus, oh, I want to build my back or my legs. I had to be very careful on how much more volume I add to those things because of how much overall damage they do to the entire body. I would say it's probably because, yes, that's true. A hundred percent agree with you. But I also think it's probably a better rule of thumb. Instead of looking at body parts, a look at exercises. So some exercises cause more challenges or damage, if you will, to the body. For example, quads are a big muscle group. Okay. Adding extra sets of squats can have a way different impact than adding some leg extensions, biceps are a small body part. But let's say somebody listened to our episode, we talked about doing supinated grip, you know, curl grip pull ups for the biceps. That would add a way more damage to the body than like just like concentration curls or something like that. So I think you got to look at the total exercises. And that's I'm glad you brought that up Adam, because if you take volume away from other body parts, but it's like, okay, I'm not going to do cable flies. I'm not going to do rear flies. I'm not, you know, all these little exercises. And then I'm going to throw extra deadlifts in and extra squats in. Well, that's not really, that's not really equivalent trade. You want to take volume from other body parts and apply it to the lagging body parts, but the, but the exercises need to be pretty close and similar. Otherwise, you know, a few sets of curls traded for squats. It's not really an equal trade. You might get, you know, same total sets, but deadlifts or, you know, I was going to hammer your body way more than curls. Yeah, I wonder who's, you know, most guilty for this. I just see like so much emphasis on butt training as of late over the last few years and just like, I never see scaling the rest of the workouts. It's just like an overabundance of adding, you know, more glute exercise, you know, based exercises to just like add on top of everything else that's going on. Yeah. But I see mostly when they do that, it's there, there are a lot of isolation stuff, kickbacks, donkey pee, like that stuff. That's not really making a big difference volume or trying to make every exercise, like every lower body exercise, a glute exercise. Yeah. Yeah. So now I'm going to put, you know, I'm going to do bands around my legs so I can do abduction while doing a squat or while doing a stiff legged deadlift or while doing, which there's correctional exercise components to that. But, but yeah, it's not necessarily going to build your butt more, for example, but this whole like volume trading, nobody does it. I don't, most people, I'd say probably 80 to 90 percent of people who try to bring up a lagging body part do not subtract volume from other areas to add it to lagging body part. They just add volume. I also recognize there's a massive individual variance. Some people can handle a little bit more volume. Some people are going to be very sensitive to that. You know, it reminds me of, and I feel like we should address the conversation that happened in the forum in regards to the Q and A or the live caller we had. With a live caller, that lady who said that the maps anabolic wasn't helping her legs grow. And then that triggered somebody in the forum to be like, see, I wish the guys would listen when, when women say that there's not enough leg volume in maps anabolic. And you know, my response to that was, okay, well, you know, we've had a handful of women that have made that comment, then we've also had, you know, 30, 40 thousand women say that it was, is perfect. That's why we have mods. That's why we tell people to run the program one time, through exactly, and then adjust it and modify it to your body. We wouldn't go back and rewrite the entire program because a handful of people said it wasn't enough volume for them, you know. Yeah. The individualized aspect of workouts is so important. Um, I, you know, to be honest with you, I don't know if I'd want to put a workout out without a corresponding podcast so we could explain to people how I know, how can you explain all the nuances and the details of like how to navigate through all this, but I caution people because if you don't have tons of experience, uh, training your body and being objective or training other people, then follow programming as it's laid out. So long as it's good programming written by good people, I think we all know what we're doing here. So follow it one or two times through, then make adjustments. Cause oftentimes your initial thought or how you want to modify it is wrong because you don't necessarily know how to program workouts and what works and what doesn't work. But that being said, there's always an individual variance. You know, people respond quite differently. You know, they have, some people have body parts that respond well and others not so well. And you know, there's different context and age and hormone levels and all that stuff. So although I would say that that is the exception to the rule because for the most part, when I have somebody like that, and then I do a deep dive in their nutrition, their rest, all the other variables that go into play when it comes to seeing results, their technique, their biomechanics, like I started to address all that and it's like, Oh, okay, it's not the programming, you know, this wasn't working right, or you weren't doing this correctly, or you weren't feeding your body correctly, or you were overstressing your body. And so many times it's not that now there is the occasion to your point that, you know, somebody is very, very sensitive to volume and they just need barely any, or there's people that need a lot more to stimulate and to grow. But I think for the most part, if it's solid programming and there's just no growth or no response happening, more likely than not, it's actually something else that's going on that we haven't addressed. Yeah. And the problem is with individualizing your workouts when you're not like super experienced is that you don't know what you don't know. So you're basing your decisions oftentimes with your workouts based off of things that may not be important to consider, like how sore you got, or how tired you were, or how sweaty the workout made you, or looking at the workout and being like, I feel like my arms got a harder workout than my legs. Like I feel like, right? You hear this quite a bit like this. It feels this particular way, which often is wrong. You know, it took me a long time. I still struggle with this, by the way. The whole like it feels a particular way. Like I tend to over train. Even now, I've been doing this for 30 years on myself over 20 years for other people. I still will oftentimes over train because of the feel part. Like, oh, I feel like I could do more. I feel like I should feel more fatigued or whatever and I end up slowly inching towards doing more and more and more, only until the signals get so loud that I'm like, OK, I got to take some time off and go, oh, look, it's working again. Oops, you know, this is. So for somebody to have that experience, I can only imagine what they're going to end up doing. And if you allow people with minimal experience to, like if I let my clients who've worked out for a year modify their workouts, oh my God, the workouts would have looked, they would have looked ridiculous. I would have been like, why are you doing all these, these bicep exercises or why are you, you know, oh, I don't get sore on my shoulders. That's why I'm doing 15 sets for shoulders and two sets for everything else. Well, the comments in the forum came from two trainers. And so they, I think that was it, just that is that they believe that they know better. Sure. And so. Which is fine. That's when you start to modify. Yeah, no, that was also part of my point. It's like, if you know it's not, then add the volume. If you know what you're doing and you're a trainer and you feel like you, you know better than, than add the volume. Although I would say that's not normally the case. Normally it's something, it's something else, you know. But I think that anabolic does not have a lot of leg volume. It's crazy to me. Every workout starts off with a lower body movement, whether it's a deadlifter squat or some variation. And I feel like, too, it was a good introduction to those compound lifts that I feel like a lot of people avoid. And they just go right to the leg extension and the kickbacks and all that kind of stuff. And so, you know, to really get them to focus on creating that loud signal and like loading substantial weight. That was always a difficult step with female clients that I'd have. Yeah, I know. Oh yeah, big one. All right, today's giveaway maps strong, very popular workout program. Here's how you can win. Leave a comment below in the first 24 hours that we drop this episode. Subscribe to this channel, turn on notifications. Do all of those things. If we like your comment and pick your comment as the winner, we'll let you know in the comment section. So that's the only place we'll let you know that you got free access to maps strong. We also got a sale going on this month. Two programs are 50% off. The first one is our obstacle course racing program called Maps OCR. The second one is our endurance-based workout program called Maps Cardio. Both are 50% off. If you're interested, click on the link at the top of the description below to get yourself signed up with that 50% off discount. All right, here comes the show. Speaking of the forum, great, I don't know if I'd say great, but discussion on cancel culture in there. What? Great? I don't know if that's the right word. So, you know, I waited to... I'm glad you brought it up because I almost got... And sometimes I... You did good. I'm going to tell you why you got good, because I read your initial comment and it was annoyed Adam started coming out a little bit. So I'm like, I better comment before he goes off. You didn't go off. I didn't. You controlled yourself. Well, and what I noticed was, it's like the telephone game. You say something and then it gets misconstrued, right? I was referring to Grant Cardone as his response to the whole Peloton thing with Kanye West. Well, explain that for a second. So Peloton decided to take his music off as part of the whole like... And so Grant Cardone decided he's not going to buy any more Pelotons. My point isn't that Peloton... And I said, cancel culture is dying. That was your initial comment? That was my initial comment. And my comment, why I meant that is because it's a market response. People... I'm okay with Peloton canceling Kanye. It's a private company, do it, whatever, okay? But what ends up happening is not what they... I think they anticipate. I think a lot of times these companies are virtue signaling in hopes that it's going to help with sales and I think it's starting to backfire. So that was my point of saying cancel culture is dying is that here are these companies all virtue signaling in hopes that it's going to help their sales. But I think what's starting to happen is more and more people are speaking up against them canceling them. And that's what I meant by cancel culture is dying. Not that I'm against Peloton. I was the guy who came out when Colin Kaepernick got fired from the NFL and supported the NFL because it's a private company. He disobeyed something that's written in the book. They ended up letting him go. People were irate and crazy about it. I said, no, it's a private company. Yes, they have every right to do that. So Peloton has every right to do that. I'm not I'm not against that. But what I think is funny is that all these people that think these companies are so virtuous and they really give a shit about racism and all this. They don't give a shit about this. So they give a bottom line. When they get in a meeting, you know what they do? They sit around and go, listen, should we make this move? And the decision isn't something that like, oh, this is what's better for humanity. It's will this, will this make us more profitable? Well, if it wasn't be consistent in other countries that ban those like very specific things. What a great point, Justin. What a great point. Yeah, I'd love to see these companies advertise in countries where they throw gay people off rooftops and they don't let them even drive. No, okay, bro, if I could get up and hug you, I mean, I probably, I would right now, Adam, because that's what, 100%. In fact, if you could find episodes where we talked about this at least three years ago and we speculate, because this is when companies started doing this. First off, there's two things I wanna address here with cancel culture. One, cancel culture as a market response is perfectly fine. In other words, private companies, private individuals deciding they're going to or not gonna buy products because whatever they want, perfectly fine. Cancel culture as compelled by government with legislation or coercion, totally wrong. That's an affront to liberty and freedom. So two separate things. But the cancel culture you're talking about, I agree 100%. I think it's a terrible failing business strategy. And I 100%, I think this is why, here's why. When a company takes a position, they have to, they're assuming that they're perfect, that they have no history that looks bad, that nobody could ever look at what they're doing and say, wait, you're hypocritical here, here you're doing a good job, here you're doing, like, it's impossible. These companies are opening the doors to get criticized and they all look hypocritical. Like Kanye, people canceling Kanye, yet you have people who've said terrible shit about other people who still are allowed to do business or whatever. So when you're a company and you come out and you say, we're not doing business with this guy because of what he said, all you do is open the door for people to go through your shit, you're passing by like, wait a minute, you're not consistent here, you're not consistent there. You're also politically dividing your consumer. Yeah, it's just a stupid strategy. You're in the business of selling bikes or selling razors or it's like, you're not in the political game. So why dip your toes in there? I think they think it's going to be profitable for them. And so they make that decision to do that. And my point of making that comment is it's blowing up in their face. And my point is cancel culture is dying. And so I didn't get all fired up because I don't remember who the girl was that was responding to me, but she totally misunderstood what I meant by that. I wasn't saying, because then she threw in my face, if you guys had somebody that was racist and saying all these things at work, would you not fire them? They're an at-will employee, they work for me. If I didn't like them working for me, I would fire them. That's the beauty of having the business and running the business and making decisions like that. I'm not saying that Peloton is at fault here. I'm saying it's funny to me that they make that decision thinking it's going to be a better profitable decision, not because they're doing something virtuous. No, they're smarter to, like, it's like, Justin, what a great example you gave. It's like when Pride Month comes around and you have all these companies displaying their, you know, rainbow flags and whatever. It's while selling products in countries that literally kill people for being gay and won't, they'll change their movies, they'll change their advertising specifically for these countries. So it's all fake. And what happens is, which is, look. Completely lose me when I said that. Here's the deal, if you say nothing, you're better. You're better off. If you say something and you signal to everybody how great you are, you open yourself up for this kind of criticism and nobody's going to win that. Everybody is going to look bad. Nobody can be perfect on either, on any side. So I agree with you. Netflix actually had to reverse, remember? Remember Netflix? It was a big thing about Chappelle's comedy. And then they started losing people as a result and people were unsubscribing or whatever. So they came out and told their employees, listen, we have a bunch of artists on here. You can do the deal with it or not. Don't work here if you don't like it. That was a total flip from how Netflix was appearing to be originally. Why? Because they started to see, oh, this is going to lose us money. Well, to your point, Adam, it's going to be interesting to watch the landscape now with Twitter having this whole new shift with Elon coming in and you're just seeing all these tweets kind of floating around now that are very interesting. Some fact checks to the fact checking and information that's getting promoted out there. They're like, wait a minute, this is what he means. Here's the context behind that. And it's interesting because it is starting to shift in terms of like, here's another perspective to consider. Well, you already see the narrative that's coming out to try and dethrone Elon from there already. The N-word is up by 500% on Twitter this week because Elon is now taking over the company. What does that mean? What percent was it before? How many are you talking about? Like, is that related directly to Elon? But that's the narrative that they're going to push now. So we'll see how long... He still has to make a platform that people want to be on. So there's always going to be... He's already came out and said, just like Facebook, they're going to create a group that actually monitors this stuff. It's like self coverage. I think it would be, and I think it's, look, here's the deal. First off, you want companies to be honest. So we have laws against lying to people and intentionally harming people. But what you want out of companies is you want companies to profit. You want companies to come up with ideas and solutions and products that are profitable because that's how we innovate, that's how we create, that's how we move humanity forward through innovation. Now, that also puts the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the consumer because if all consumers want is drugs, alcohol and pornography, that's where all of our innovation is going to go. But people don't like this. Consumers don't like the mirror to be turned on them. Oh, wait a minute. Is the reason why these products exist? These terrible products is because we buy them? Like, yeah, it's because you buy them. It's because we buy them. Like, it's like when people complain about the WNBA not making any money. How many of these people are buying tickets to these games? How many people are giving money to the WNBA so that they become super profitable? It's all bullshit. So I want companies to try to fight for our dollars and to be profitable because I want that responsibility to make those choices. And if I decide to buy something, then that's how I vote. Not this whole like come out and pretend you're good or not. Like that's bullshit. Speaking of that, did you guys see the new feature on Instagram? What is it? Which one? So the new feature where, so they've rolled it out. I know we've been offered it. I saw the notification on subscriptions. Yes, the 4.99 subscription. And what does that do? So basically they're coming after only fans. What? They're going to let people get making and shit like that on there? It's a subscription, it's private. So people pay 4.99 and they get this little badge next to their name. And now they have a, I think, a forum and they can get, you know how right now you can do your story and only family members that you've clicked on? So there'll be content that you will be able to post that'll only the people that pay that 4.99 subscription will have access to. Wow. Which is basically coming directly after only fans because right now what's the hustle? You see all these girls on Instagram and they're like in bikinis and half-naked pictures and they get million followers on Instagram but it's really to drive their... Yeah, but is Netflix going to allow like pornography? Excuse me, not Netflix, excuse me, Instagram. Are they going to allow pornography and nudity though? Because remember only fans, remember they came out and said we're going to get rid of that and they didn't know it was just a total pierce done. I don't know. I don't know. We'll see what they allow and what they don't. I mean it's private now. So I mean... Yeah, but with private I wouldn't... But they're also publicly held. Like investors might be like... Yeah, but the only way you see that content is if you're paying for it. It's different if it's on a open public platform. I mean it's hosted by a publicly traded company and a public... Not technically it's not publicly traded because they're underneath Facebook, right? Well, Meta is. Yeah, but I mean I think because you're paying for it there's going to be some loopholes on what they will allow and what they won't allow. They definitely are probably going to skirt the line. It's a $1.2 billion space that only fans basically has a monopoly on right now. Did you hear? And so this is absolutely their move. Oh, it's coming right. I don't know what... Maybe Doug can look this up. I don't know what the percent of the $1.2 billion... How much do you guys think of that is content creators that are not using it as nudity? You know what I'm saying? Like is there... I mean we could technically do this. We could have a show that we put on in that platform. Just have you wear a Speedo? Yeah. Like not completely. No, think of what percentage you think it is? You guys think half? You think 80% is nudity? So I could see them saying... I'm saying the 80s. I could see them saying no nudity, no pornography. However, there's a lot of content creators on Instagram that could produce content in charge for it and people would pay for it. So I think that that's probably the direction to go. I don't think that they go nudity and pornography. So that's why I asked a question right now. How much do you think... I think it's significant. I don't know. I don't know what number to give out, but I think it's big enough. What would be that? What would be significant? It's 25% significant? It's 20% significant? I think... No, I would say probably half. I would say at least half. Oh God, no way. No way. You don't think so? On OnlyFans? OnlyFans is 90% nudity. Really? Yes. You don't think it's at least half? No. Really? I mean, I don't even know one that's not. Well, I don't... Do you know anybody who uses OnlyFans that is not putting out risqué fucking... I'll tell you about one girl. I'll tell you one girl who she figured out. So she's a pretty girl, right? Okay. She figured out how to instantly, very quickly, go from unknown to the top 0.4% of OnlyFans accounts. 0.4% so she's the top top? She takes one of the feet. No. No. Good guess. Come on, man. No. She lets her viewers or whatever vote on polls to run her life. Wow. And they can come up with polls. So smart. So literally, they'll say she'll say... So she'll do this, like, I'm gonna go here or here. You guys vote. What am I having for lunch? Choose your own adventure. Yeah, like, what am I eating for lunch? What kind of job should I have? Noxious. They made a break on my boyfriend. So they... Should I stay with my boyfriend? They said no. But she made hell of money with people just kind of running her life. It's kind of fucking brilliant, bro. Interesting. I mean, do you remember those Choose Your Own Adventure books? Of course. Those were so popular. I love those. They tried to do that on Netflix. There was a little bit... I saw that. Bear Grylls had one. It failed though, huh? I don't think so. I think the Bear Grylls one did okay. But yeah, they would shoot a couple different options and then you'd go back and like... I watched it. Speaking of streaming services that are doing new stuff, did you see what Disney Plus just rolled out? They just dropped it like a couple days ago. What is it? The first short film that's AR. Oh, really? Wait a minute. So you have to wear AR goggles? No, so you don't wear the goggles. So you actually download an app on your iPad or iPhone and then you stream the short film. It's just a short... It's like their first roll out of it. And then you're basically looking through the iPad at your TV and it augments that reality. What? Yeah, yeah. It looks like a waterfall and the trees being growing inside your house and stuff. Wow, that's cool. Yeah, it's very cool. What a trip. Yeah, it looks really interesting and I could see... I know they're banking hard that like AR is gonna be the thing versus the virtual reality. They're trying to like completely compete with that. So if I had to guess... I would say AR. I would say AR too. It's the easiest threat. It is. It's the consumer. It's the easiest for them to create. It's the easiest for the consumer. Plus you don't have to completely disappear into another world. That's right. And you can apply it to everyday life. Yeah. I do think that AR is more likely to take off first. So here it is right there. Wow. See how the waterfall's in the living room. Did you try it? No, I didn't try it. I actually just read about it this morning and this is actually the exact article I was reading but it's their first test in that market and I don't know, it looks cool. I'm gonna try it when I get home. I mean, I'm interested. Check it out. Speaking of shows, I have a show that I think you'll like and I know you're a dick about this, Adam. Always talking about whatever Sal recommends shitty shows. Yeah. No, though, this is pretty good. Jessica found it. So I'll tell you guys the premise and you guys let me know what you think. So Steve Carell's in it, by the way, and it's not a comedy. It's actually, it's like a really- I've seen some of his serious roles. He does a pretty good job. He did a good job. What serious role did I see him in that I really liked? He's done- Morning show. Yes. Oh yeah, morning show. He crushed that. So listen to the premise of this fucking show. It's actually really good. So it's called The Patient. So he's this brilliant psychotherapist who's an author and he sees patients and he helps heal them or whatever. He gets this guy who comes in and this dude is trying to get help from him. And after so many sessions, Steve Carell, who's the doctor, is like, listen, you're not progressing because you're not being honest and open with me. You have to be open. You have to tell me, you have to trust me so I can help you. And they go back and forth and the guy you can tell is getting a little irritated. He leaves. Well anyway, next thing he knows, Steve Carell wakes up. He's in this room and he's in this bed and he tries to get up and he's chained to the bed and he's like, what the fuck? And he starts panicking, whatever. Anyway, the dude that he was helping walks in and he goes, you know what? What you said, I think is true. He goes, this is the only way I can be totally honest to you. And he's a serial killer and he's trying to not be a serial killer and he tells Steve Carell's character, basically, I'm not gonna let you go until you cure me. Wow, that is so interesting. It's a fucking good show, dude. Interesting. His episode is pretty intense. What's it on? What's it on? Hulu. So it's an FX show. Oh, interesting. It's actually really good, dude. That does, that plot sounds good. Okay, good. I got you. At least give me an episode too. And then Aliens, come on. No, I'm kidding. Just like, I'll watch it. What? Yeah, this is cool. There's another docu-series I saw on Netflix. Maybe you guys have seen this, it's called Aftershock. Have you guys seen this? This was during the 2015 earthquake in Nepal. And there was film captured by people trying to claim Matt Everest and that fucking earthquake triggered crazy avalanches and shit. It is frightening. Terrifying. It's like worst case scenario. Super crazy docu-series. 89 earthquake, I remember. So the World Series was going on the Battle of the Bay at the time, right? And we went to the Battle of the Bay the day before and we were up in the nosebleeds. And I remember going back over the Bay Bridge and like doing the whole thing. And then the next day, just watching on TV, the Bay Bridge doing this and then like smashing cars. And you were just on it? Yeah, dude. I remember just like, oh. Yeah, my uncle was at the game the day before also. And then I remember being in the shower when that happened. I actually fell out of the shower. It was so bad. That was probably the worst earthquake I've ever experienced. Yeah, it was the biggest we've had. So the other day we're interviewing with Eric on the show. And we actually kept it on, our editors kept it in the show. Yeah, good job guys, that's great. As we're interviewing him, earthquake starts to hit and it starts rumbling. And it ended up being like a 5.2 or something like that. But yeah, it's pretty weak. For sure, you could tell all of us, we're just waiting for it to get worse. Yeah, I was like, I'm like, is this the precursor? Because sometimes it's like that. Like the aftershocks sometimes are even bigger. Oh yeah, dude. I remember that in 89. It threw me off the couch and I just sat there waiting for it to end. That was a terrifying, terrifying experience. Well, speaking of terrifying, I'm finally going to bring this up about the British pilot. I know you guys have been like antsy about it. Wow, that would happen. Dude, so okay, this flight, I don't know what year this was, but basically there was some kind of explosive like decompression where the windshield blew off. Like it literally blew off as they took off. Of the plane? Of the plane. And it pulled the pilot out, outside the plane. And he hooked his feet around the steering wheel to keep him from basically just flying off to his imminent death. And he was able to hold himself like outside and smash himself on the plane for 20 minutes until it landed. And so it went into autopilot, landed. He survived and had like bruises and things like from just getting smashed. But like, yeah, that was it. I was like, there's no way it sucked him outside. Like the, what you'd think would be like the worst. That is terrifying. Yeah. What's the closest, what are the closest near-death experiences you guys have had? Do you have any of that? Oh yeah, remember I tracked your story to you guys. I forgot about that. Yeah, when I was, see here, I was 20 years old. I had just, no, I was even younger than that actually. I take that back. I was 17 years old. I just started working at the dairy, maybe my second week on the job. And the owner of the farm is like, hey, you ever driven a tractor before? And I'm like, no. He's like, all right, I'm gonna teach you today. And I'm like, okay. So we are going to, we have a hundred acres and we're on the top of this hill. And we are going to go down and fertilize the hundred acres. At the bottom of the hill is where like basically the main fence pole starts. And it's like, we have a telephone pole that's cemented into the ground and then all the fences run off of that. And there's a canal on the left and the right. And I'm at the top of it. And he's teaching me how to use a loader and load up this big old tractor full of wood ash. So I learned how to do that. I fill it all up and then he's like, okay, now it's time to, to drive this one out. Now this is a real slow one. He's like, now when you get going, he's like, this one doesn't have any brakes. So just keep it, he's like, just keep it in a low gear. It'll, the tractor will slow itself down and anybody's ever driven like a tractor like that. If you keep it in a low gear, the engine will do all the slowing down. You don't got, you don't need any brakes. So just, you know, keep it, keep it in a low gear as you're, you know, coming down the hill and let the tractor do all the work. And so I'm like, okay. So I'm actually like right at the, like the crown. So I need to come over and then come down this hill. And I put it in, you know, what they call granny gear. And it's like literally, I mean, I'm like, it's crawling. Yeah, it's crawling. I'm like, it's gonna take me 15 minutes just to get to the top of it. So I go to put it in the next gear and it's a little bit faster. I put it in the next gear and a little bit more faster. So I'm starting to come over the top like this. And now I'm coming over the top and I'm like, okay, I better put it back down in a low gear. Well, I already had gained enough speed. Well, you couldn't get it in. And so, and then it's gaining more and more speed. And I keep trying to shove it down in a lower gear. But now it's in neutral. And now I'm heading down this hill. I got like a thousand pounds of wood ash behind me. And I'm in this trailer and it gets going so fast. My front tires are bouncing. And I'm like, steer the right, yank through the right, steer left and there's a canal, canal. And I have this little pathway that I'm trying to catch the wheels and get between. And it's doing this down the hill. And I fucking into the fricking canal and wood ash everywhere, battery flying off the end. Oh my God. You stayed on? I would have jumped off that road. I would have been afraid of running me over. Yeah, the thing was out of control and I have a huge trailer behind me that I was pulling. So that scared, that was near death. I never heard that story. Yeah, I told it like at the very beginning of the, when we first met, I told that story. Remember I told you my welding story too? I had two near-death experiences at the dairy. Yeah, so I had another experience where my boss was teaching me. I learned all this stuff at this place, right? So I'm learning to weld this day. And he's teaching me how to do it. And he's like, hey, go plug this in over at the 220 volt, whatever like that. And he hands it to me. And this welder has to be from like 1930. Like the fucking thing is like, it's all wires are all sticky out of it. I'm holding it. So I already, yes. So I'm already looking at it kind of like, okay. Any minimum wage. Yes, bro, I'm making 450 an hour. So I go running over to where we were all the plug is at, which also happens to be in this like where we milk the cows. So, and we had just done, we had just finished milking the morning shift. And so there's like little puddles of water and stuff. And I'm in tennis shoes. And I go, this is fire exposed, 220, not just regular bro. Well, see, here's what I've actually had people tell me that I'm actually lucky it was a 220 and not a 110. I was more, I would have been more likely to die if it was a 110 than a 220. The 220 was so powerful, it fucking went through me. Oh, okay. And it actually went through my feet and I like levitated like six inches. Wow. And it was the fucking- Did you get knocked out or you just felt it? I didn't knock out, I just felt it. But then I felt so weird. Did we burn marks or anything? No, I didn't have anything like that. Like I didn't, and I didn't see electricity go through me, but I plugged it. And when I write, when I plugged it, blah, you hear this? And it shoots me up off the ground. I come down and I kind of fall a little bit and I just, it levitated. David Blaine, for a second. And then you went back to work. Yeah. You didn't go home. Then I went over there and learned how to weld, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah. So those are two near-death experiences that I had. What about you, Justin? Yeah, I had a few, and they're mainly like driving incidences, but this one was on Black Ice when we were coming back from, we were practicing music and it was real late. I was like two or three in the morning and I was on a five-lane freeway. And so it was, we were in Chicago, on our way back to Chicago from, I think it was like Iowa or something. And we just hit this one spot. And I was driving, and so I'm driving my Jeep and I didn't see it. And we hit just a whole huge patch of ice because it was like, it totally blended in. And so I lost complete control. And so I was trying to kind of steer. And then when I steered, it was like woo, and the whole car turned sideways. It was like, oh, that's not it. And just a little correction this way. Near, the whole thing went the other side to the point where I started actually spinning around in a circle. And then I finally kind of got it to go straight again, but I was going the wrong way. So I was like pointed straight. And then I saw in the distance, because it was so late, there wasn't a lot of cars out in the road. But here comes like two semis. Like literally, you could see, like I just vividly remember these headlights and then my car stopped and I almost stalled it. And so I had to like literally, actually I did stall it. And so the whole thing died. And then I'm watching it all kind of encroach upon me. And so I had to turn it back on, literally like punched it. And it was a stick shift. So I had to punch it and then go. And they darted like directly across all five lanes to get past. And then they just like narrowly missed us. Wow. What about you, dude? You have something like that? Well, one is, one was legit. The other one's kind of funny. So the legit one, I was in a car with all my friends. We were probably maybe 18, 19. In fact, I think they were, it was, it was friends of mine from 24. So some GMs and stuff. And we were my buddies Mercedes. We're at a stoplight and we're all talking and laughing deep into conversation. Didn't realize that the light turned green. So the light turns green for us to go, but we didn't, he wasn't paying attention. Cars started honking behind us. I was like, oh, okay. And he gets ready to go. And a semi went through the red light and literally hit the brakes and slid in front of us. Had we gone when the light was green, we would have died. And that wild and shit like that happened. That was weird because it literally, somebody watching out for it. There was like inches in front of us. We all like, oh, and just right in front of us and kept going. And we're like, dude, if we went when the light turned green, we would have been dead. That's wild. Then the second one, this was, this one's a little more funny, but I was 16 and I was kind of, you know, when you're 16, you're just stupid. So I had this truck that I bought and I bought, I put like an exhaust on. I thought it was fast. It was a four cylinder Toyota. But anyway, I was racing. There was this bigger truck that was on the road. I used to race everybody in my car always. Anytime somebody I thought they were, you know, could race, they want to race, I would race them. And what you did when you were a kid, I don't know if people do this, but when you beat someone, you get in front of them and you turn on your hazards. It's like showing them that you won, right? So this is big truck, light turns green. I burr and I get in front of them, I hit the hazards and I flip them off. Like, ha, ha, I beat you. Well, anyway. I'm sure you didn't like that. He pulls up next to me and it's literally the biggest human I've ever seen in my entire life. It was this massive, roided out bodybuilder. Red veins, like veins in a red face and he's yelling so hard. He's spitting through the passenger side. I'm gonna fucking kill you. And I'm looking at him and I go, I'm just a kid, man. I'm just a kid, I'm just a kid. Literally when I can't say no. Hey man, I'm just a kid. Anyway, he's following me. There's a red light. I couldn't go anymore. So I had to stop. He pulls in front of me, gets out of his car and he tries to rip my rear view mirror off. While I'm telling him, I'm just a kid, man. And I'm like, try to back up. Like, do I have to run this guy over? He gets in his car, takes off. Anyway, I don't know. A month later, he comes into the 24 to work out with one of my trainers. This guy was a pro bodybuilder. Did he recognize you? No, he didn't. Oh, thank God. So I see him walk in. All right, let's see what happens. Anyway, he's just introducing himself, working out. And I'm like, bro, yeah, that's the guy dude that almost killed me in my car after I cut him off. I've been stuck in two blizzards too. That was, I would say, one of the, yeah, both those times were like, the other events were like fast, right? Like it was instantaneous. I mean, although it felt like a long time that whole crash on the tractor, the being electrocuted. That was like so quick. But two times I was stuck. One time I was stuck driving around Tahoe and I got stuck on a blizzard on the part where you're up right over like incline village area where it's like a two lane and like between south and north. Did you just pull over? You have to wait it out? No, we had to drive. Had to get home. We had to get home. We're in the middle. It was like midnight and we were, I mean, I just drove like four miles an hour the whole way and you couldn't see any road or anything. So that was scary as shit. And then I got stuck in a blizzard on riding while snowboarding. I got stuck in a blizzard on top of the mountain. Alarm started going off and everything. And it was so scary going down. I remember being with two of my friends and you're like, we were all like holding hands. And you couldn't even see the person like you're holding the hands with how bad it was blowing from side to side. And you couldn't tell where the path was or you're like, you're riding like this with your hands out just so you don't hit a tree because you can't see anything was. Wow, hell, it was scary. Well, speaking of scary stuff, remember how we talked about recently this whole like, oh, watch out, they might put fentanyl in your kids Halloween candy. Halloween candy. Always scary. This is an urban legend, by the way, that's been circulating for decades, right? It used to be razor blades and it was, you know, LSD and whatever, now it's fentanyl. But here's the real thing you need to check your kids candy for. This is real now. There are psychos out there that will put almond joy in your kids candy. Get that shit out of there. Yeah, they're real psychopaths. Who the hell eats almond joy? Nobody. Disgusting. Or the mounds. Even worse. Yeah, right. At least there's no one's coconut like candy. This is nobody. That's gotta be one of those candy. It's your 90 year old grandma, that's it. I feel like it's a candy that you either love or you hate. Cause I guarantee we'll get some mad, some mad. No, you gotta be like 80 or 90 if you really love that stuff. I like coconut, but I don't even like coconut candy. Coconut candy is different. It's gross, dude. It's not candy. When I was a kid, I got like chocolate covered prunes or something. You always try and trade somebody with it. Dude, it's disgusting. It's so funny to me that that's something that I remember when it first came out again this year and I called it right away. I'm like, why did they? It's like the same time of the year, every year. So you know why this one's making its rounds right now? Because they're capturing fentanyl. Parents get scared easy. Well, they're capped first. You're right, it's every year they do this, but they're capturing fentanyl, getting smuggled across the border and it's being placed in boxes of candy. So that's why, that's what's going on. But again, the odds that a drug dealer is going to give away his drugs and easily get traced to his address. Never. Yeah, never. If a kid gets it, it is 100% by accident. It is not like nobody is trying to poison kids with drugs. Plus, I don't know, taste it. It doesn't taste like candy, spit it out. It's probably not candy. I mean, also you wouldn't do it in a, or I wouldn't let my kid eat a homemade candy. I mean, if it's in a sealed box of good and plenties or something weird like that, I doubt that. Bro, they used to give away, when I was a kid, I remember this one neighbor on my grand, because we used to trick or treat my grandparents' neighborhood. There was this one neighbor that would give away like homemade caramel apple. Oh yeah. Homemade though. That was a thing, dude. I know. That was when we were kids. When we were kids, they used to be homemade stuff. But that's right, that's when it started to fall. Well, that's when they stopped doing that. That was popular when we were kids. They were gating like the popcorn balls. Popcorn balls, caramel apples. I mean, when I was a kid, when we go trick or treating, you would have at least like, I don't know, a third of the candy was like homemade treats. Yeah, it was a different time back then. And pencils. All the neighbors knew each other. They all talked to each other. The pencil house got teepee. Thanks. I took, we took. Or the wax lips. What is that? Disgusting. We took Max, trick or treating, we went down to Salinas and we walked up and down. Like so they do the thing where they like close the streets off and so the stores had it. It's so cool because we don't give them candy. So he's so enthralled by the process of it. Like he didn't, he did this whole thing. All this candy totally forgot about it after his nap and had never asked about it again. So he's never got. He has no idea. He has no idea. Yeah, he just thought it was so cool to go. He's on a treasure hunt. Yeah, that's all. I mean, he's just into the colors and all the wrappers and all the stuff, you know. And so he did the whole process of going trick or treating was a was a blast for him. And it was for me, I was like, you know, fretting as a dad, I'm like, God, is he what are we? How are we going to manage this? Am I going to just titrate this? And it's like, didn't even ask about it. It's funny how like costumes have evolved over the years. Like now it's like you get all these like inflatable costumes is like the new thing. And like my kids are so into like, so Everest can be like this sumo guy, right? And so it's so funny because he's walking around. And he's like super wide and just like this, this huge like ball, you know, to deal with costumes have come a long way, dude. They're all really good. Yes. When I was a kid, I used to, my mom used to buy my costume at the grocery store and it was the plastic vinyl. They put it over you. Remember the plastic mask and the plastic vinyl cover? That's what I used to wear. Yeah. You just had like two little slits that cut out. By the way, speaking of costumes, Doug killed you guys. He won. I know. He won the costume contest. Yeah. I don't know how it vote because everybody voted. And then I'm like, dude, how's this impossible? Doug just smashed because Sarah and Justin, who supposedly won, cheated. They filled themselves out like 20 times. And that's why Doug was second. I mean, they had great costume, but like, no, it wasn't even close. If anything, Katrina and I were saying, I thought Katrina and I were going to crush everyone. Yeah, you guys did too. And then we came in and I saw Doug and I'm like, fucking Doug brought his egg in. So good. So good. But like he was a full character. I didn't even know it was him. Yeah. I didn't either. He came in like Uncle baby Billy. And I'm like, yeah, it's Bible and everything. Like five minutes to realize. How'd you get the teeth? With those, probably. I bought the teeth. This company called Dr. Buck. It's online. You actually, you heat the teeth up with steam. Oh, molds to you. And it molds to your own teeth so you can actually wear them and talk. Now, did you, did you like piece every part of that together or did you buy like, cause it would look so good if you piece that together. I pieced it together. Yeah. I just bought a wig on Amazon. I got the teeth and some glasses. Sunglasses, I thought. It was so good. It was so good. It was so good. Just so everybody knows it's baby Billy from the righteous jumps. Yeah. No, I'll have a video. So I'll have Andrew and them throw a video up there so they could see it. I saw Justin. I knew it right away. Yeah. Jack. Always the obscure reference guy. I mean, I knew when they were together, when they were separate, I didn't know at first. Once they were together, then it was like, oh, okay, I got the costume now. I mean, you know, Big Trouble Little China's. Yeah, it's just one of my favorite. It's just like anybody who grew up, you know, like that was the go-to when I get sick or it was raining or like I've watched that movie so many times. So it was like, it's weird to me that people don't know that movie. But there's a lot of people that know my family. So half of my family didn't know what Katrina and I were. Like I had half my family like, oh my God, that's so good. You guys are spot on. And then I had other people like, I forgot. Yeah, that's how it goes. Yeah, yeah, we were from Yellowstone. We were ripping back. I knew you guys were, but I didn't even watch the show yet. So, yeah, I'm not even like, oh, yeah, yeah. So we pulled from that. And so if you watch the show, you knew right away because I thought we were pretty spot on with the costume, but Doug 100% won. That's great. Well, it is getting, the weather is changing a little bit. So that's why I know we're supposed to talk about Viori. Now I got my, I get to put on my long sleeves. Do you guys like their long sleeve stuff? I do. Oh yeah. I love, this is super comfy. Andrew said this was the Stratotech, I think. Love it. I don't have one. I have their Henley and I have one of their hoodies and then I have their. No, I like it because it's kind of like it, you know, kind of shapes to my body. They have a new flannel out and I was like, so excited. That's because of you. I feel like it's like hammering them about it. They put that really cool one. It was like dark blue, I have it. And then they have a white one. I think they now have like a brown one. So I'm like, OK, my flannel stock's going up. I went to, so I went to the pumpkin patch with Jessica and Aurelius. I have a patch story for you. Oh, good. Oh, yeah. So I went there and, you know, just kind of hang out whatever and Jessica's getting pretty close to having this baby. So like, let's walk around and see what happens. Anyway, you know, I ran into, I forgot his name. Sorry, I can't give you a shout out because I forgot your name. Jackie's brother was there. Oh, yeah. So some guy comes up with his wife and they introduce themselves, real nice people. And they bought me a freaking latte. I got in line behind them and they paid for my latte. So nice. So nice of them. That's the way a fan should. Buy me shit. You want to introduce yourself? Buy me a gift. Then say hi. No, it was very nice of him. I want to give him a shout out. Speaking of pumpkin patch, you just remind me. So do my son is like going through the stuff that's coming out of his mouth that's like off the chain right now. So he just says random shit that I just would not expect him to say. So he gets, we take him to the pumpkin patch like almost a month ago now. And so he's been back to the pumpkin patch like four times. Like he's, he's has a blast and Katrina will just take him over there and there's lots of stuff for him to do. And I pick him up from school the other day and he's like, Daddy, pumpkin patch. And I'm like, no, we're going to go home. We're going to do this. And he's like, you could tell he's getting frustrated with me because he keeps saying it over and over. And I said, Max, we're not going to the pumpkin patch right now. He goes, Daddy's bald. What? How does he know that? Yeah, so he's saying that around the park. OK, so the other day was just like, because that's different than an observation. He knows it's OK. So a few nights before that, we were reading in bed with him and he was, you know, he was at nighttime. He's the best. He's playful and funny. And so I thought and he's and he was standing up in his bed while I'm reading and he's and I don't have my hat on. So he's like rubbing my head and he's like, Daddy bald, mommy hair, Daddy bald, mommy hair. And he keeps he keeps saying that. And I'm like, yes, yes, Daddy's bald, son. Yes, Daddy's bald. So that was so that was the first time I'd heard it, which was already kind of funny, like, OK, that he's pieced that together. But he literally said this like a fucking jab to her. Yeah, it was like I was telling him, no, he was irritated with me. And the look on his face was like, Daddy's bald. So it's like, did you start laughing? Of course I did. I was just like, oh, yeah, you poop your pants. What did you say? Daddy's bald now. Stop telling, stop telling people I'm bald. I couldn't believe he said that to me, man. I think he's it's so funny right now, though. He does the random stuff. His other thing he does, too, is later. So like, you'll tell him, like, Max, would you pick up your toys? We're going to go. We're going to leave right now. Later, Daddy. Yeah. Later. No, not like he makes the rules. Hey, it's time. It's time for your bathroom now. Later, Dad. Later. Bro, right now, not later. Shins, dude, they're hilarious with that. Anyway, we're supposed to mention Felix Gray today. And, you know, I thought just to keep it simple, it's got to be the easiest way to positively reflect your sleep. There's so many things you could do for sleep to. In terms of an intervention, yeah. Just wear the. Very simple one. That's it. You just wear blue light blocking glasses. They make them clear, so it doesn't change everything. Just do that and you should notice an improvement. So I have, obviously, I have friends and family that wear them. And it's just an easy, you don't have to change anything. Just put them on two hours before bed. That's it. To me, it's the most realistic thing to do because I actually tried not to. What I try and do is turn the lights off, do the fire candlelight thing. And the reality of it is that there's many times, especially now that we're heading into winter and it'll get dark really early. This will be even more so. So I find myself using them even more now because it'll get dark and it'll still be like five or six. The TV's still going. We still have fluorescent lights inside the house. And so just training yourself to put those on. I mean, ideally, like we always talk about the natural, holistic way is ideal. But let's be honest. How many people are disciplined not to after the sun goes down, look at their phone, get on their iPad, get on their computer. Watch television. That's what I mean. We have to consider when you consider interventions to improve your health. The biggest number one, I guess the most important factor is adherence. Is this something that people will actually do because there's ideal and then there's realistic. That's an easy, put them on, do whatever you normally do. And you'll notice an improvement. Yeah. And it's a one time purchase. Once you own it, you're good. It's not like something you have to be buying every single month. It's like you have it. And then as long as you discipline yourself to. And it doesn't make everything orange or red. So yeah. Well, that's what sold me on it was that the original ones that that I remember you used to watch TV with those things. Yeah, I was like, hell, no way. Distorts everything. Organifies a company that produces high quality ingredients, convenience and great tasting. These are supplements that are plant based, organic and free of glyphosate residues. Some of my favorite products are the superfood blends like their green juices, red juices and gold juices. But they also have protein powders and much more. Go check this company out. Go to organifi.com. That's O-R-G-A-N-I-F-I dot com forward slash mine pump. Then use the code mine pump for 20 percent off. All right, here's the rest of the show. Our first caller is Pierce from California. What's happening, Pierce? How can we help you? Hey, guys, how are you doing today? Good. All right. Glad to hear it. Glad to hear it. So yeah, calling from California. I'm here in Davis. So I always feel like I'm kind of close to you guys. It's nice to virtually meet you. Glad to hear you're having a good day. I guess I'll go ahead and get started with my question. So I recently started a new job and I really enjoy it, but it's quite stressful. And I know my future academic and career goals will also involve a lot of challenge and stress. So while I would describe myself as the fellow fitness fanatic, I'm realizing training hard for specific fitness goals. Doesn't seem to be the best for me right now and may not be the best for me as I enter the field of medicine. So in the past, I've heard you guys talk about having your training complement your lifestyle. If your work or school is already very stressful, as opposed to just training really hard in every area of life. So my question is, how would you advise that I approach and think about training as I continue down this career path? What should my baseline training look like? And my goal isn't necessarily to build a ton of muscle or have crazy fitness, but just be generally healthy and feel good so I can enjoy recreational activities and push myself in my career. Oh, great. You really good question, Pearson, and you positioned it very well. I like the way you asked what you asked. So right now you said you have a stressful job. What do your hours look like and what do you mean by stressful? So for me, this is my first real job. I just recently graduated college, so I'm not quite even working full time yet. It's about 30 hours a week, but the whole time I'm there, it's kind of nose to the grindstone. It requires a lot of attention and focus. I'm working in a lab in Davis, and it's a lot of ways you can mess up the procedures I'm doing. So I have to be very on my toes like all day. Got it. And then when you start medical school, what kind of medicine? I'm applying to both osteopathic and allopathic schools. So that's MD and DO, hoping to start next July. Very cool. Yeah. So definitely that whole process is going to require quite a bit of you. So the reason why I said I like the way you pose the question is you said, how should I start thinking about fitness? And I think that's the right way to ask this question because I could give you and I will. I will give you one of our programs that I think will probably benefit you. But the way that you ask the question is so great because there's really a way that you should think about fitness so that you can mold it properly, according and based to your lifestyle. So there's a few things you want to look at when you're looking at working out in a way to improve your life. And one of them is, does my do my workouts provide me with more energy? Do they improve my ability to do my job, improve my ability to be a good partner, to be a friend? Do they improve my sleep? Do they just make me feel better? So that's the number one thing you want to ask because a workout that's too hard or a workout that where your life focus is your workout does the opposite. Like I'm training super hard so I have less energy to do good in school or less energy to be a good partner or, you know, I have to find time to take naps so that I can train so hard. So it's a totally different philosophy. So that's what you want to ask yourself. And you want to do, Adam has said this a million times, you want to do the least amount of work to elicit the best results with that. So rather than thinking to yourself, what can I add to my workout? Think to yourself, how little can I do and accomplish these goals? How little can I work out and feel great and feel strong and feel mobile while I'm doing all of these different things? And for most people, for most fit people, I mean, depending on how busy your lifestyle is, it could be like 20 minutes every single day. Like 20 minutes a day, every single day with some structure strength training. And then in addition to that, just trying to increase activity in your everyday life. So like, okay, after lunch, after dinner, I like to take a 15 minute walk or while I'm reading these papers, I'm gonna get on the floor, do some mobility work or when I'm writing this, whatever I'm gonna be writing for school or whatever, I'm gonna stand rather than sit. Like combining those two, you'll have great results as you continue to move through all of this stuff. I like him having MAPS anabolic as a foundation for when you feel good or maybe when your workload isn't bad for right now and then MAPS 15 to toggle between when you have a higher stress week, let's say. And that's how I do it, because I think MAPS anabolic is a perfect program for you that does require three days a week in the gym of one hour at a time or at your home gym. I don't know if you have a home gym, but you have three hours, basically a work week. If you have a crazy week work week, then I think MAPS 15 would be a great way to kind of toggle back and forth between the two programs and you could totally do that. So to me, those are the first two that come to mind. The only thing that I would potentially add to that is some sort of a mobility component, you know, to. Prime Pro, yeah. Yeah, because in Prime Pro, you have all these different movements for different parts of your body and you can learn a few that you really like. And then when you have, when you're doing something where you can simultaneously get into a position on the floor or if you have like a five minute break, mobility, like you can't, you really can't do, overdo it. It's not like a workout in the sense that it requires tons of recovery. And the more you practice mobility movements, the better you get with the mobility and stability. So I think, but I think I agree with him. So we're gonna send you MAPS anabolic for free, but MAPS 15 would be a great program to just to have so that you can have 15, 20 minute workouts, daily workouts when things get really hectic and crazy. That'd be great. I actually already have a MAPS anabolic. I wanted a little, little plug here. I actually was a, I was a personal trainer for about two years through the end of college and you guys really helped me just, you know, help a lot of other people. So I wanted to thank you guys for that. And I actually kind of stole some things from anabolic and starter and stuff to kind of help some of my beginner clients. And that was also helpful to me is I was learning how to do effective programming and stuff. So thank you guys for that. Yeah, no problem. We appreciate it when trainers are really like that. So in that case, I'll send you MAPS 15. And then like I said, MAPS Prime Pro would be useful and maybe even MAPS performance would be useful now that I know that you've done MAPS anabolic already. Okay, cool. Thank you guys. No problem, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, have a good week. You got it. He had totally positioned that. Obviously now looking back, he has the trainer background, right? Yeah, he asked it right. So it makes sense why he asked it that way. That's why I presented it like that. Yeah, cause it's really about the mentality around your workouts that's going to guide you. Not so much what's the workout I can do because you have to be able to modify it as things change. Yeah, and to anticipate like how your life style is going to change like that and to be able to start seeing like, this one will compliment me best in terms of my stress levels will help me recuperate. You got to really understand like too much volume, too much load, we're going to need to back off. So having a plan going ahead is great to think about. I love too that he didn't have any real like aesthetic goals or major performance goals. It was really like, I just want to feel strong, feel healthy, feel good. I recognize what I'm about to get myself into. And so what is like a good structure it looks like. So yeah, he's being realistic about it. But I mean, I can't stress this enough. If your workout improves the quality of your life, the odds that you'll continue to work out for the rest of your life are so much higher than if you don't understand that. If you don't understand that, you may get faster results in short periods of times or bursts or whatever. But it's so much less likely to keep it to maintain it for the rest of your life because if it takes away from the quality of your life, look, things are more important. Your family or bought your job, you know, your sleep and eventually things start to break down. So it's really all about, if you're looking at long-term life, I want to do this for the rest of my life. I want to stay fit and healthy forever. It's got to improve your life. Otherwise it's going to be very hard to do that. Our next caller is Paul from Ontario. Paul, what's happening? How can we help you? Hi guys. First of all, I just wanted to thank you like everybody does for all the work that you do and everything that you've helped me accomplish. I'm sitting in my gym right now that through the last five years of listening, you guys have helped me get to a point where I was ready to do that. So thank you for everything that you do for me and my family and everybody else out there. Awesome, awesome. I've got a strong man competition coming up. I'm 31. I've decided instead of going to a lighter weight category that I would go up, instead of losing 20 pounds, gain 10 and we're paying some of my strength in the process. My thought though is I was wondering if I should run a power lift before running strong to optimize kind of my movement goals with the weight. I figured it would kind of bode well with a mini bulk that I'm gonna be going through. I've run through power lift and it was very specific. I've only done my own kind of strong man training, working with the log and circus dumbbells and things like that. But I wasn't sure what your take on that would be and how long I could run strong for if it was something that I could swap out some of the overhead presses or the presses or the biking presses gonna be in the competition or what your insight was. Paul, is your main goal to do well in strong man competitions? Yeah, absolutely. I think that for my first one, I would like to at least be able to compete. I look forward to participating but I also understand that through the aches and pains that can come with that, I just ran through split and my body felt like the best it's ever felt in my life. And so switching back, I thought this was a safe time to switch to strong as long as I'm running my mobility work and those sort of things appropriately. Okay, well if your main goal is to compete in strong man then you're gonna want to lift in specific ways. Strongman competitions, well even power lifting or any strength competition, skill plays a huge role in how well you're gonna compete or how much weight you can lift. So power lift, MAPS power lift is very specific to power lifting. You'll get good at the bench press, the dead lift and the squat. Is there carryover to strong man in a little bit? Yeah, I mean there is. But strong man or MAPS strong will have much more carryover. So I think MAPS strong is gonna be the ideal program. And then what I would do is in the work sessions in MAPS strong, that's when I would modify and add movements that are more specific to your competition. So swap things out, add things, take things away and make it more specific to what you're doing. And then as far as that's concerned, I like MAPS Prime Pro and MAPS Prime because mobility is a huge issue with a lot of the events that you do in strongman. Your ability to move and twist and run with weight and all that stuff is gonna be dependent on your stability and your mobility. So I think those two MAPS Prime and Prime Pro will benefit any of your training and then use MAPS strong as a base and I would modify it depending on the type of competition you're gonna do and what type of events they have. I'd also like to see MAPS symmetry done after your competition. So I think using MAPS strong leading up to the competition that's in 100% agree with what Sal's saying, I'd modify it if there's specific movements in there that you know are in the competition that you're not doing a lot of, I would sub them in to the program. And then after you do the competition, I think MAPS symmetry would be great for your body before you go back into either strong or one of the other programs. Okay, very cool. No problem, do you have MAPS Prime, Prime Pro strong? Do you have all that? No, I don't. I've got my MAPS Prime. I was actually going to purchase MAPS strong and then I found out I was gonna be on the episode so I thought I better double down. So I was gonna purchase that today so yeah, I don't have the Prime Pro or the no. Well, don't get it until you get an email from us because I'm gonna send you some free stuff, okay? Wow, thank you so much. No problem. Yeah, but okay, I think that's it though. I think that's the way you should go. And then take it from there. I like Adam's advice though with symmetry. I think of all the programs we have, that's got the most carryover in terms of correctional strength. Yeah, especially since he has done power lift, he's gonna go real heavy, get on strong so he's doing a lot of bilateral stuff. I think some unilateral work and isometric work would complement your current training. Obviously I wouldn't do that now because right now we wanna get as strong as we can specifically for the strongman competition but then post, that's what I would focus. With the specifics, do you have access to a gym that has equipment like that, like Atlas stones and some of the unconventional type of exercises you can do in there? Yeah, I actually have an Atlas stone here. I've got a 400 pound road bag right at the start of the day. I got the log right behind me as well. So I've got all the apparatus that I'll need for the competition. Oh yeah, that's cool. Hell yeah. All right, man, well you're all set. Yeah, well then you're set up, yeah. Cause there's definitely sandbag work and all that circus pressing in the program. You're gonna love it, man. Excellent. Thank you guys so much. I appreciate everything. Thanks for calling. Good luck, man. Thank you so much. Take care. Yeah, that's, you know, the skill part of strength is so understated, I think, or I should say misunderstood by a lot of people. I just read a study today where they had people doing quarter squats and full squats to look at where the strength gains would go. And of course, you do quarter squats, you're gonna get most of your gains in the quarter squat. Right. You do full, and that's it. To that range of motion. And that's the same exercise, right? Basically, right? And the full squats, most of the gains will go in the full range of motion with, you know, more carryover from the full squat than from the quarter squat because you're still quarter squatting in the full squat. But nonetheless, if you're doing a strength sport, you got it, you want to practice the events themselves. Because it's just like anything else. You practice, you get better at. Like it has to be specifically focused at those movement. The movement itself for like learning words of another language. So it's like, it can be directly that specific. And to be able to focus on that, if he wants to do well in his competition, it will always help to include those, you know, to be able to get the techniques and really, you know, work his way through that understanding with his body. What a great analogy, Justin. That's the best one you've ever played with. Is that okay? No, that was phenomenal. No, I mean, it's true. One for 75. Hey, that was so good. Ramp water, dude. That was so... Every now and then I'll get one. No, you know what? Because you can definitely like, you know, my dad speaks Italian fluently and he understands some Spanish because of the crossover. But he ain't gonna speak Spanish as well as somebody who speaks Spanish. Very, very good analogy. There we go. Our next caller is Charlene from Pennsylvania. Charlene, how can we help you? Hi guys. Thank you so much for having me here. I'm gonna keep geeking for a little bit because I can't believe it on here. Anyways, so I was just gonna say, yeah, thanks guys for having me. Just like everyone else, you guys do really such a good job with your channel. So I like to watch you guys all the time. And I was also gonna say, I think even though Justin's the quietest, he's the funniest. Yes, well, that's obvious. Thank you. He's also the handsomest. The bestest. Thanks Charlene. Negative one point. Yeah, yeah, yeah. There goes your free program. Go ahead Charlene. You're my favorite now. Oh, there we go. Oh my gosh, okay. You get free cheese, too. So my question is, okay, so I'll give you a quick overview just so you can understand where I'm coming from. So quick overview. So I went to college as an engineer. I worked for like four and a half years after I graduated. So I did that during COVID and then, well I did that after college before COVID and then during COVID, I started hating it. Like it was really bad. And the corporate thing was just like, it just wasn't working out for me. I was like, I can't do this anymore. So I was working from home and I don't know, for some reason it just got worse in terms of like workload and management. I just hated it. So I got into fitness since it was something that I was doing like in college and high school. I've always been an active person, but you know, of course just like most people, you don't do it like professionally. So you don't have to go to school. So I quit my job a year and a half ago. So since then I got certified, started doing personal training. So I bounced around from gym to gym, couldn't find a good gym until I finally found one that I really liked. So I've been working there since June. So right now at my job, starting to get more and more clients. So basically it's going pretty well. And I got the idea from Adam in terms of like, training as many people as you can, not trying to like niche down already. So the other day a member came in there and she looked like she had like spinal issues or some kind of issue, right? But she was looking for a trainer. And she was like, she needed personal training, but she wanted to know what I specialize in. And I was like, I don't really like, I mean, I guess I gave her my experience, but I didn't really have a direct answer for that. And my co-worker was also saying that like, you know, he'd like to know eventually like what my specialty is. So that eventually if he knows what I'm good at, he can recommend people to me when I'm not there. So I guess I just want to know, I want to be able to figure out, how do you guys figure out how to niche down? Is it really important as your first start training? And if it is, how important is that? No, I don't think it's that important. And I still would stick with my original advice, but I will give you more advice in regards. And if I would have go, if I would go back and do it all over again, I had to reorder all my certifications and which one I would have done first, I would have become a corrective exercise specialist first because of what the situation you just ran into right now. And that also applies to damn near every client you'll ever train. So they're very rarely will I ever- It's got so much carryover. It does has so much carryover. And even if- And longevity with your clients. And that's, and that type of client is one of the hardest clients to help. If you don't have that background, you don't know how to help her or teach her what to do or you're concerned or you're fearful of like, oh, what do I do with this person because they have this spinal condition? Like if you get that corrective exercise specialist background, that will not only take care of that client, but it will carry over into everything. Athletes, high performance clients, your fat loss clients, you must, I mean, everybody will benefit from that specialty or certification. And so I would highly recommend moving that dress which would look like this either in ASM's version of corrective exercise specialist, Ken Stretch, Aldoah, what other ones that- CPPBS has some of that in there too. Look up Kelly Starrett's book. They added one too many please. And did you? Yeah. CPPBS. Those are all, I think, good references for you as far as certifications and reads. And then when a gym owner asks you, you can say I'm a corrective exercise specialist, although I train all clients and I work with everybody, but that's my specialty. Let me add to that. So I'm gonna back that up 100%. Somebody, a trainer that really understands corrective exercise can bring value to almost any client. In fact, I can't think of a client that wouldn't benefit from that. Now the second part, which might be a little different, is when you're manager, because I know what your manager's doing. Your manager's trying to pair you with the best clients for you, okay? So as a manager, you're always trying to find, you're trying to match personalities, match goals, match schedules, so that the client that comes in works with the best trainer and they have a good bond and it works out well. So the question that they're really asking you was not necessarily what are your specialties, but rather what kind of clients do you like to train? So that's the way I would answer that. So when your manager asks you what are your specialties, say, well, I really like to train and then name the people that you like to train. I like to train busy moms. I like to train executives. I like to train people who are trying to build lots of strength. I really like working with people for fat loss. I like working with people in advanced age. Like whatever you enjoy working with, just tell your manager and let them know. It can even be personalities. Like, you know, I really like working with people who are shy to come work in the gym or I like people who are beginners. Like I used to match my trainers to clients who, you know, of course there were the specialties that oftentimes I would need to connect, but really it was usually about personalities. When I had a potential client and I saw that they were shy or, you know, I knew that there was a trainer that I had that worked well with them or someone was loud and boisterous. I knew that I had another trainer that worked with them. So all these things are things you wanna consider. To that point too, I remember back when like Adam would give me all these like really, really difficult personality people intentionally because he knew though that I could handle that in terms of like, if you can win somebody over that has a whole lot of reserves from the very beginning, those tended to be my best clients, the lifer clients. And so if you can work through that between that and then the previous advice, which I think was really good in terms of like focusing on pain and being able to alleviate that through corrective exercise, through mobility. I think we'll set you so much further up in the future because it does translate to everything. And I think that message doesn't get out enough to personal trainers to really put that tool in their toolbox first and foremost because weight loss and all these like the normal things that bring people into the gym your real value is to be able to solve pain and certain dysfunction that they have to then benefit their life in the pursuits elsewhere. And so I think that that's probably the best. Nothing builds value like that. Charlie, what programs of ours do you own already? I got performance and anabolic for myself. Okay, so I'm gonna have Doug send you Maps Prime because I think that's a must have for you. And then we'll send over some other things to look into but that's an incredible starting point for you. Every trainer should have that. And every trainer should absolutely have Maps Prime. So we're gonna send that over to you. And then look into the courses that I was talking about. And I think you'll do great. Charlene, one more question for you. So you went to school to be an engineer so you had a degree in engineering and then you quit your engineering job to be a personal trainer. How did your parents feel about that? Well, I'm African, so you can imagine what they said. They were like... That was a tough conversation. Don't tell me it was us, right? Yeah, no, it wasn't good. My dad almost like, I think they were almost in denial. They were like shocked. And they're still kind of getting over it. I mean, they're still my parents. They love me, but it wasn't good. They did the same thing as me. So I knew I wasn't gonna get a whooping. I was like, look. I imagine the discipline it took though to finish your degree and the thing... And you'll crush it. Yeah, you strike me as somebody. How you do anything is how you do everything. So I imagine that you will apply the same tenacity towards this career and then certainly be able to show them your success there. And I think the questions you're asking are fair. I really think you go the correctional exercise, throughout Charlene, I could see that so much value. There's so much you can learn there and apply and it really will make you extremely valuable in the marketplace. The most valuable trainers in the marketplace in terms of dollars, in terms of how much they could charge the businesses that they could build are specialists in correctional exercise. And along those lines since we're gonna continue to push and motivate you in this direction now that we know your story a little more. I would start building relationships with Cairo's and doctors right now because if you start to get really good at the corrective exercise specialist, you're the perfect bridge for those patients. Oh, they'll send you all the referrals. Continuing their rehab and... I got so many referrals that way. I mean, that was really the inspiration of Maps Prime and Prime Pro for us was to bridge the gap between physical therapy and chiropractors and the gym because they get all these people that are broken down and hurt and can't move well. They get them moving better and then it becomes, okay, well, what does that look like? Do you throw them right into a strength building program? Well, there should be a nice bridge to help that person move better inside the gym. That was Prime and Prime Pro when we created that. And so I think you going out, building relationships with physical therapists, chiropractors, doctors, start building that network now while you're going through the education process of corrective exercise specialists and become that resource for them. That could drive your business by itself. Yeah, so thanks for calling in short. Yeah, thanks. Honestly, I was gonna say like literally all my clients were literally corrective. And I think that's, you guys just literally just spoke what I was thinking. So yeah, thanks. Oh, perfect. Awesome. Awesome, Charlie. Thanks, Charlene. You guys have a good one. Good luck. You got it. Thank you. Yeah, I like her. She's gonna do all right. She's gonna do well. I think she's gonna do well. I mean, can't you... I know when I heard that though from, because she's young, right? She went from engineering to personal training. Oh my God. What is your parents? Oh, you're shocking the parents. Did you imagine being a dad? You know what I'm saying? Yeah, I just spent how much? You said you'd college. It hurts a little now as a dad. I kind of see it from that side. I know you do. Look, you can do very well in our space. It's just hard. It's just hard to do. Yeah, but again, how you do anything is how you do anything, right? So if you got an engineering degree and I know what kind of job that is to do that, you apply that mindset and discipline over in the training and I think she'll separate herself. But I think your point was just perfect. The most value I saw in the marketplace of fitness was through being able to get people to feel better. If I could go back and do it all over again, I would... Like fat loss doesn't even come close. Everybody thinks it's about fat loss. Everybody thinks about... No, no, no, if you're a trainer and you can make people move and feel better and not feel pain anymore, you are invaluable. It was like over six years. I can't remember when I got my CES, but it was a long time. It was so a good chunk of my career. I didn't have that. And then when I got that, it was like this whole thing opened up for me. Like, oh my God, like I was missing this piece to my training. It applies to every client. And you being able to do that, you help somebody at the most basic level to the highest level, you know, of experience. Like you... Totally. How many experienced lifters were you able to help correct something? Because... And blow their mind. Yeah, blow their mind. They've been lifting for 20 years, but they've got this issue that bothers them like crazy and they can't put their finger on it. Their body looks good because they understand nutrition and exercise is important, but they don't know about how the body moves like that and how to correct it. Oh my God, that's a huge, huge one. Our next caller is Doug from California. Doug, what's happening, man? How can we help you? Hey guys, thank you for taking my call. I really do appreciate it. To start off with the obligatory thanks. I've been listening to Mind Pump for a little over a year and it has definitely changed my YouTube subscriber attendance as well as my life. So yeah, man, I really do appreciate the time. I'll just, I'll kick it off. So my story kind of starts or at least my question about a year ago. I had gotten COVID and then through COVID, I developed a pretty bad lung infection which led to pneumonia and then a heart inflammation. So I was out of work. I do commercial construction, but I was bedridden for about three months. Before that I was relatively lean. I weighed about 235, but during that period, I was six foot three by the way. During that time, I gained about 30 pounds and my metabolism just went down. I don't know exactly what had caused that, but it just started getting really bad. But around that time, I started listening to you guys and I wanted to take advantage of, I mean, at that point I was 265. I was eating about just that maintenance, maybe 2400 calories a day, which was like rough. So I wanted to start gaining some muscle. I listened to a lot of what you guys were saying about how reverse dieting would be beneficial at that point, trying to build some muscle to help my body like build its metabolism up. And I got some of a, I got MAPS PowerLift. I got MAPS Performance and MAP Strong and man, that was super, super helpful. So over about a year of programming, I stayed in PowerLift for about six months, but I, dude, it was, I mean, absolutely life changing guys. I can't tell you enough. Like I seriously questioned every single workout and every single phase. I had never done full body workouts. Very like, I was very much like, why are they having me do these percentages? It doesn't make sense. Like I feel strong when I leave. Like I feel like I have more to give. And dude, I saw just tremendous. So I stayed just to give you like the nuts and bolts of it. I stayed at 265 and went from 30% body fat to about 20 in about a year. Wow. Nice. Yeah. My macros went from, or my calories went from 2400 to about 4500 at my like peaking. And man, it was props to you guys. I don't question the programs anymore, but it was definitely counterintuitive until I started seeing those results. It's super, super beneficial. But anyways, I developed, I started cutting down weight and this is all kind of happened in around August. I decided, hey, I built a good amount of muscle. I feel strong. I feel active. I feel healthy. I think I want to start bringing the calories down. And then I injured my knee. I'm waiting on an MRI. My doctor thinks it's either a popped IT band or a torn masticus. But this is kind of what started to happen. And man, like my body started talking to me and I just started getting super, super tired. And I figured it was just something like no big deal. Maybe I just been training for too long. Maybe I need to take a little bit of a rest. And then all of a sudden I just started feeling like super, super irritable, really, really grouchy. Energy levels started going super low down. And man, I didn't know what was wrong. At first I thought like maybe I'm just like being crabby and I need to get over it. And then like my libido just absolutely disappeared which is very strange for me. And so like it really boiled down. Like I went and got some blood work and this all kind of happened one day. I came home from work and my daughters, they're asking me, dad, can we go to the park? I got two girls, six and four. And I'm just like, man, like it was heartbreaking for me to just tell them like girls, like I just don't have any energy. Like I can't even go outside and play with kids. I just felt so sluggish and low. Like I went from benching 315 pounds to like feeling like my muscles are getting sore after doing like 10 pushups. So I went and I got some blood work done and it turns out I had like really low testosterone which I thought was strange. And then my cholesterol was super, super, I guess for my age really high is what I was told. My LDL cholesterol I'm looking at right now is 227 but then my HDL cholesterol is below at about 15. And so I just kind of ceased like every time I would try to exercise, like dude, it just hurts so bad. I feel like I have like no energy. And I was just wondering like what you guys would recommend moving forward. Yeah, 100%. I want you to go and work with functional medicine practitioners over at MP Holistic Health. Is that the name of our forum, Doug? Is it MP Holistic Health? Yes. So on Facebook, we have a free forum and it's run by Dr. Cabral's team of specialists. They're all functional medicine practitioners or assistants. And you need to work with a functional medicine practitioner. There's something at the root here that's causing all those things to go from where you were to suddenly having this low testosterone, this really high cholesterol number. I'm not even gonna try to speculate. Am I gonna throw a bunch of stuff out there? Well, you can tell them this that those feelings are probably directly connected to what you just found out through your blood work. But something's causing that. Right. And so with the functional medicine practitioners, they can have you do a bunch of different labs to try to identify what's going on and then use a holistic approach to try and get things to change either through treating gut dysbiosis, working with herbs and lifestyle to get your body to work with itself to get back on track. That's the place I'm gonna send you. By the way, you're a clear example of how we would recommend most people try and figure this out first before you do TRT. So TRT may be something that you explore in the future but absolutely go this route first to get to the bottom of it of why this potentially happened right now and see if we can get to the root cause of it. But the recommendation may be to go HRT route in the future, we'll see. But yeah, I'd go MP Holistic Health, go on that forum and then see if you can make an appointment with one of them and to get some recommendations for labs and stuff. And then take it from there because it sounds like there's something underlying. There's something under the root issue here. Maybe not just one thing, but a few different things because from where you went, from where you were to where all of a sudden went. So I don't think it, yeah, you're gonna feel bad from low testosterone, but something's causing your testosterone to get low. And if you're- Yeah, that's what I thought too because I had done like a bit of research but I'm not really like a research junkie. It was like maybe from getting an injury and getting more internal inflammation that can like affect testosterone. I don't really know, but I was just, yeah, it happens super. I mean, this all started in August and I got that blood work done three weeks ago and by that point, this is for the birds. Like I do not feel like this anymore. I couldn't even explain how different of a life it feels like. Doug, listen, it could be, you could have high levels of a toxic metal in your system, which could cause these symptoms. You could have some nutrient deficiencies that could cause this. You could have a underlying infection in your gut. Multiple stress factors. Yeah, and so there's like certain things can happen that can trigger all the things that you're talking about but you have to figure out what it is first. And so working with somebody who is in functional medicine practitioner, that's what they do. They look and try to find the underlying cause. So I mean, I'm not even gonna sit here and try because I would need to see labs. I would need to do all that and I'm not even an expert. I want you to keep us in the loop though. I really do want, I want you to get connected with Cabral and their team, spend the time, spend the money. It'll be, all of it will be worth it for you to get to the bottom of this and help you out and then stay in touch with us. So then when we start to hear what Cabral is telling you, we can help guide you potentially on the fitness side on what things we would do as far as strength training and stuff like that. If he says to compliment that. And look, not to give you false hope or like I said, I don't know what's going on but I've had people with similar situations where they'll come to me and be like, man, it was weird. It was like all of a sudden and I noticed this and I was so much better before and I'm like, well, what changed? Nothing really, I don't know what's going on. And it was like SIBO that they could treat or it was toxic metal buildup that they didn't even need to wear on. And it was like, oh my God, once I fixed that or parasite like once I fixed that like my health came back. So I'm not saying it could, it's a silver bullet. There's probably a few things, but something there's something at the root here. It doesn't sound like you just, oh, you know, you know, I just my body, I'm getting older or whatever. Especially from what you came from, bro. You were just, you were crushing it. It sounds like so. Absolutely. Yeah. It's tripping. I'm 29 so I'm like, this doesn't feel like very or like none of my peers like people even at my work like this doesn't seem like very calm in practice. You know, like this was not like a easy transition. Yeah, I appreciate the advice. No problem. Yeah, yeah. So go there, see if you can set up an appointment, work with one of them and they'll be able to figure it out. And keep us in the loop. I really want to find out how everything goes, Doug. Thanks, Doug. I appreciate it. Well, okay, I asked one more thing just as far as as far as eating goes, because I don't really know much about like cholesterol reduction or anything like that. Like, is there like a dietary recommendation that you guys can do all that though? Yeah. I can give you, I can give you general advice. Listen, I can give you general advice. However, a spike in cholesterol could be due to something underlying that could be causing that or maybe to know that you had high cholesterol this whole time. I'm not sure, but generally speaking, eating in a calorie deficit, not in having a low saturated fat intake generally does lower total cholesterol and help with LDL with people who are susceptible to having high cholesterol. That's general though. So I think when you work with the team over there though because they'll be doing all the labs with you, that's definitely something they're gonna address. Yeah, he's gonna talk to you specifically what to do. Oh, okay, I appreciate it. Yep, no problem, man. Thanks for calling in. Yeah, man, thank you. You got it. Boy, that's tough. Yeah, that's really strange to go. And 29 years old, I mean, to be crushing the way and seeing great results like he was. I mean, all the symptoms is like, definitely the symptoms of low testosterone, right? So yeah, he sounds like everything. Yeah, but what took it from, it does kind of sound, and I've heard similar stories like this, but they were usually around like a parasite that they got traveling somewhere or something like crazy like that. But yeah, to speculate is just, you know. I love that he called in and the listener can't see this, but you know, he did ask, that's why, by the way, I brought up the TRT thing because that was one of his questions, was like, should I go this route? There's a classic example of why you wouldn't wanna do that in this situation because that might mask what's really going on inside. Cause I'd guarantee if you give somebody that's that low testosterone, a shot of testosterone right away, you're gonna feel better. You're gonna feel better than what you were, but then you didn't address how you got there. No, and you might not get back to where you were before because there's still an underlying issue there. So you might be like, well, I feel a little better, but. Some big dunk cover here. Exactly. Look, if you like Mind Pump, head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out our guides. We have guides that can help you with almost any health or fitness goal. You can also find all of us on social media. So Justin is on Instagram at Mind Pump, Justin, Adam is on Instagram at Mind Pump, Adam, and you can find me on Twitter at Mind Pump Sal. This one's really important and that is to phase your training. If somebody trains for a full year doing a bench press and they're always aiming for five reps, if you compared that person to a person who did bench press where they did three or four weeks of five reps, but then they did three or four weeks of 12 reps and then three or four weeks of, let's say, 15 to 20 reps and then they'll throw in some supersets at the end of that year, you're gonna see more consistent progress from the person who's moving in and out. And less injury, that's another thing. You'll see less injury as well.