 Hey everybody How's it going? Happy holidays happy Sunday Thank you, I I hope everybody Votes are pouring in by the way on this poll I just wanted you know I wanted you know that we do respond to the you know the demands and requests of the community So when when someone is significant is Randy McIntyre asked are we just here to watch Andy deal eat? There's gonna be a poll the community will have a chance to speak their voices will be heard I just want everyone to know that. Oh my goodness. Look at y'all smiling faces Brooks, where are you? This is I am in my one disclosed look. Oh, no I'm in my wonderful basement because it's the only place that I have that I can keep my twin tornadoes away from my equipment So are those kids are like like Jack Russell terriers that you're speaking. Yeah, what's the difference? I You can claim a one set of them as it as a tax deduction or as dependents So any others are your kids? So eventually I'm gonna get lighting and drapes and all that because you know more zoom efficient But yeah right now. I wish I got a stand-up desk. I'm excited about that So great. Yeah, you push the button and it goes down you push the button it goes up, so State too, I don't know so much stand at it. I Put my seat up and down to match the desk That's funny. I'm looking at buying one of those. Do you recommend a brand? Oh I'm flexi spot. That's what Andy recommended to me and that's what I'm using awesome cheap to For what they are. They really cheap. I mean that was it 350 Yeah 350 us yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's good. I found the best use for this is like if you have to wire anything under the desk Oh, yeah, you have to get up. Yeah, it's amazing. We have a steel case. I like mine Steel case. Yeah Highly recommended very tough. You're not driving. Are you Renee? I'm passing operating the vehicle. Oh, no Because We drive to Wisconsin every month, so This just happens to be right during that drive We can say how to see for us like There's been some talk on the forum about like a flame challenge So maybe we'll distribute the recording of this and whoever can stabilize it the best will win like a you know Beautiful like logic phone charger here courtesy of our friends at census.io. Oh my goodness. Yeah, I recommend using the I Wait, let me I'll bust up an after effects. Yes, Tim We've got Will and and and Grant here This is where gallery view still free speak freely to them no problem No pressure. I think everybody should know I was joking But we've you know, we've now this is early we're five minutes into the meeting and already offended someone you're all getting that You're getting that experience that I've had of Tim Farrell in the front row at a flame user group meeting, you know, I Have to tell you, you know, I was I was going through Like I was going back and looking at all the Oh wait Quinn Richardson is about to enter and he said he would be in his pajamas ladies and gentlemen Yes, we are recording and here we go We better be or be disappointed. I know I When if you don't have pajamas on don't turn on your camera. I'm hoping for a night like a nightcap, you know It wouldn't be a holiday party if someone didn't come complain to HR. Oh Amen, brother That's the true meaning of the holidays. I found so I was going back and looking at all the logic lives But then also I went down the rabbit hole because they're all in the same folder On my computer. I'm going back and looking at all of the old Like some photos from the holiday parties we had at like New York user group meetings Which were epic and I have a couple of the pictures here Like this was a this was a great one This is where oh there. Okay. This was great and you'll see there's a I promise you there is a Tim Farrell tie-in to this Are Andy what are you eating because it looks tasty? I've got Some baked beans for a fried chicken place from a couple of days ago and a piece of pizza from last night I've been moving all day. So I just like literally assembled the desk I'm sitting at about five minutes ago and then just pile food on and that's why it's on mute because you don't need to hear me eat but you But we do need to see you eat Need is this wrong If I don't know what the results of the Polar but I can turn off my camera Haven't we seen Andy eat before on one of these? It looks I will say that is he always eating pretty much. Yeah one of those guys You got to feed that big beautiful brain of yours somehow. Yeah, and that beard So I found these pictures From this is from 2015 at a user group meeting in New York. I didn't mean to start on Joel Drinking beer, but he was there and I think that was the meeting where he showed the you can connect two things across the like connect two lines in batch across across the split this was the the year where Flame on Mac I believe was introduced so we had Mac set up all across the the desk here whether it was you know They're relatively new and still somewhat loved trash can Mac and then there was a MacBook Pro But there was a great Here's a diff. I don't know how many of you know Dino, but now you all know Dino Eva made a a little you know a matchbox shader slash little welcome invite for us all There was let's see There's Joel, you know with some liquid courage. This was the year we gave away the the Whoa, what are the books mulching notebooks with the flame logo on them to a bunch of people in fact It was there's Tim in the front row poised and ready to criticize. It's great right ready to pounce You know, we had the the like a hundred flame unleashed posters that we gave away. We had Joel Drinking and vaping through his demo Which I think Trump's Andy's baked bean and pizza you know mix for getting through a session, but yep, we gave away all the notebooks Tim was trying to duck out of the picture there and then this was Todd Todd and Jason Dungle but Todd won a Monitor from a Miza. That was a good day. But anyway, that's great. Andy. You're giving away a monitor today. That's amazing Well, this I'm showing you what we have given away in the past and what we aspire to give away in the future But this is all sparked by my desire to show everybody a picture of Tim Farrell sitting in the front so Welcome to our little holiday Additional logic live like I said there's been this is the 37th one of these I Cannot believe it's been that long. I mean, it's really it's been about 40 weeks You know like we did the first one on March 22nd, which is remarkable and I have I Found a picture that I took of The setup that I had on On March 22nd Which you know this desk here. Oh, that's when when one of our stuffed animals Pancake was the employee of the month at the home office. So We're very proud of pancake and all that he has accomplished But this this whole setup was dominated by like the remote setup into the flame I have it at lively in the city and then you know the entire the entirety of the logic live broadcast center was on The world's wobbly us like I think we got this free this table. I don't know how many years ago and Then the only microphone I had was this you know the shotgun mic that was it was clamps upon clamps upon clamps You know to get this thing to you know barely work. Oh, and that's right. This was the week I tried to get a GoPro to work and it didn't So it was maybe one of 38 Audiovisual failures down the road setting up some kind of web streaming system, but we've come a long way here Where am I? Oh there I am. Hey now all I need are tally lights So I know which camera to look at in here now. I'll be our next our next upgrade but I wanted to share with you all a little bit of Kind of the where we've come or how you know how far we've come with all these I have about a thousand screen shares to share with everybody Actually, you know, it might be fun These the rejected images from all the Split screens you do. Oh No, maybe who never there are no rejected images. It's just things we save for later This is also my this is my favorite thing in zoom I'm inviting my phone in so that I can show you the current setup It's always a 73 step process to invite yourself. It's almost like Existential to like invite yourself into a zoom meeting There he is. Hold on wait one second. Oh, I have to answer the poll To Andy's for the price of one yeah, there it is All right, so this is the rig Wow, that's a legit setup now my my MacBook Pro That is of course, you know, it's well ventilated somehow buried underneath the the loud keyboard This sticker my daughter got into the State Union University of New York at Fredonia, which is called Fred So I'm gonna send this to Fred Warren at some point It's kind of like I wanted to put it on his car Whenever I have a prop, you know logic live mask or the the batteries near there the coffee that I have yet to spill in all these weeks The ring light from my daughter's bedroom for when she has a zoom class, you know camera one and then this is my Machine that delivers the Keynote presentations and everything. I've got it going HDMI out to the the wonderful a 10 mini 4-channel input switcher. You can do dissolves and shit and then my stream deck here, which has all the little sound effects, you know So microphone and then of course in the back here, you know, I have this wonderful TV that's really not hooked up to anything except a an at-most recorder Whatever, you know, whether it's the logic live logo or or or in this case the eulog Andy that looked like a full 12-bit signal there. It's not in a row There are 12 bits involved, but they're not grouped together at all I believe that 11 of them are red at this point and the other one is fire But hold on. I'm going to disconnect from our incredible sound system, which I just dropped on the floor Free headphones. I got from Peloton Forgot that is on the microphone. Yeah, we don't know Back Here is either I Just realized as I was walking around the room that you probably couldn't hear me Because of this microphone, but you're all nodding, which means it's true But anyway, just show of hands. Did you at least see the cat who was sitting on the chair there? I heard you Okay, good. Oh, thank you, man Thank you. Thank you. Thank you Love the plasma ball. Oh It's beautiful, you know, it's great. It's it actually it ties the room together Is what it really is. Have you have you said it's a voice activate? No, but that's next on my list because I do have Like a fool whenever I buy something I always buy two because why buy one, you know, we can get two for twice the price So I do have another Amazon enabled smart plug So I'm gonna I think I'm gonna plug that into it and I'll you know I'll give it some fancy name like flux capacitor or something like that But does that does that plasma ball have a microphone in it because I've got one as well and you can yes You can turn it on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they have it blink. Yeah, it's working my voice. Yeah So that that was the I hope that was an impressive tour an informative tour of Behind the scenes of like how the sun, you know, the sausage the gets made here at logic live studios Um, yeah, Andy, you didn't show us your Connection to your camera though. Don't you have a black max like magic thing going on? Yes. That is here Because you're extravagantly using a DSLR. Yes, I have the panasonic gh4 Right Cooked up here hooked up here to a manfrotto magic arm, which defies most of the laws of physics Okay, it's clamped to the desk so it goes up and down with the desk and then yes, I'm using the black magic ATEM mini Switcher here as for HDMI ends and then two microphone inputs and I have an HDMI out Going into an HDMI splitter, which is the little red light back there so that I can hear what's going on And that is being That is being powered by the uh, usb power output from my lamp It's a very high-tech set as I think about it Do you use the ATEM for your monitoring of flame as well on the output of flame when you're doing jobs Uh, yes and no and the reason that's a complex answer is like, um, we have an rgs connection to the Uh, the office here. So there is an HDMI out of that And I can plug that into the ATEM. It's just that The ATEM drops it to a beautiful 640 by 360 signal Then gets fed back to my client who so far Has never complained So The next time you're asked to work at something in 8k for a snapchat delivery, you know, just remember that So you don't run flame on locally you run flying through the rgs from the office. Yeah Right. I have it for mac also on the macbook pro here, but i'm not using anything to monitor it at this point Right. I don't think the ATEM would do that. I think this is pretty much just a switcher Hey I just had my first rgs experience this week Can you hear me? The audience loves you I I found it, uh remarkably frustrating um because it was a timeline job and It was so unbelievably buggy. I could just look at the keyboard and a clip would jump out of place Oh, no Is that is that standard or was this a particularly bad experience? I think you've paid you might have paid extra for that No, we found I mean, I know I found with uh at lively we we have a teradici No, like pc ip Connections we had those for a while at the beginning of the lockdown and then we switched over jeff Do you remember when they started rolling out rgs? Um I'm not sure maybe like at the beginning of the summer Okay, that sounds right. I found them to be to be a much better experience Really rgs. Yeah the picture is better um, but the also the Like we were having trouble with um with keyboard shortcuts too jeff right? Yeah, there were just a few of them that were just weird like, um What was that? I can't remember any off the top of my head right now But you didn't have like this over sensitivity Uh, where you would touch a clip and it would jump to another level or further down the timeline No What keyboards are you using tim you're on mute? Yeah, we're hearing you tim through joanne, which is As it should be difficult Ask what kind of keyboard is it Tim tim wants to know what kind of keyboard you're using Oh, i'm sporting, uh the logitech k840 uh from logitech I wonder if it's a wired keyboard Yeah It's too bad susanne sharpening isn't in here because she has an experience like you've had joanne. She had Very bad experiences Like share She like you know it took her an entire day and I think the uh She would tap the Tablet down the clips would jump around the frame Um, if there was a lot of lag like she had just it was a nightmare And she goes depending on the sysad then you have on the other end helping you get set up with this experience It can either be really smooth or it can be a nightmare So interesting. Maybe i'll i know susanne. Maybe i'll chat with her about it Yes, I think your mileage is going to be very Constantly that you're working with a place that you've got on a regular basis that you're dialed in And it's working and dialed in that is a unique experience because if you work in a different facility It's going to be a whole another ball of wax And reinventing the wheel all over again. This was a new facility. I'd never worked with before That I don't want to reach out to susanne Also Another frustrating thing was the real estate on the screen You um, I couldn't like Um, I could only move the windows so far like in general I I like to do like tim ferrell has shown me Where I make the image window very small so I can see all the timeline nice and big And I I couldn't ever get the window small enough to be able to enlarge the timeline big enough I mean, I got through the job and it went well, but I wasn't a happy camper at all I'll ask for your money back. That's for sure Anybody else has this experience? I know that there were some um, it's not it's not the technology It's just that it's there's so many everything is custom and different Like it's it's not it's not the technology. It's the implementation. Okay, and so It's tricky. It's there are a lot of there are a lot of variables too Like I think your your internet speed is one variable the the internet speed of the place you're connecting to is another variable Oh, and tim tim thinks it's because i'm using a mac keyboard. Could that be a factor? No, you just have to relearn your option and alt that gets flopped around Because you're controlling a little because you're controlling a linux machine. Yeah. Yeah I know that that's a or I believe anyway that there was a problem too like with the tablet if uh You needed to be if you're connecting to a linux machine You needed to have a linux machine on your end at home in order for like the tablet to work correctly Is that yeah, okay That could be the problem because I'm on mac and there The people I were connected people I was connecting to were linux Oh, well, check that out see what they say But I think rename makes a very valid point too if it's uh, there's got to be a very different experience I find that I feel a little spoiled sometimes, you know having uh The same place. I mean, it's a There's an always-on connection to one place, you know, right? It's the downside of freelancing is you know Every new job is like going out on a blind date You just don't know what you're gonna get just don't know what you're gonna get, huh? That's right Or if you're even gonna like them If you ever gonna want to see him again, you know, or if they're gonna pay you that's right Who's paying for this Blind date is the best analogy analogy. What's that? Yuri? Blind date is the best analogy ever Yes, thank you. I use it a lot. I prefer to go steady with my clients. I don't want to get married though Same here I uh as long as you don't get the second base with your clients. You're all right Thank you Thank you randy I'm just trying to give you an excuse to use all those buttons on your stream deck. I know you've gotten to the third page So we've got the left track. We're waiting for what the jeopardy theme. I know you've got the jeopardy Let me show you guys one more little That was pretty awesome. I got I wanted to look at the Analytics for all the logic live stuff. So these are just all the videos that I've put up on the youtube The youtube channel and just to see that they've been viewed 22,000 times Since we've been doing this is just is pretty wild So I just wanted to thank everybody for you know for just being so supportive and for Giving the great feedback and for all of you who are on here On the stream today who have been a part of of logic live who have been a guest or you know, we're a contestant on on One frame of white or something like that So I wanted to thank you all very much because it would really be nothing without all of you So here's a virtual round of applause to send everybody I see with us today. We have tim hendrix We're out of one frame of white 2010 how's it going man? It goes uh, we actually it took me and jack like three months to get the machine working But we got it we got flame running on unsupported hardware So it actually works really well Uh, I actually can turn it around here it is In its new home Got a but yeah, I Would the apple to see Oh, yeah, so is that a ducky keyboard? Usage stats on the on the dell. So that's Yeah, I've developed a lot of psychotic hobbies and quarantine, but um, yeah, no, it's um Much nicer than my 2012 macbook that the entry was done on. Um, in case that wasn't obvious So thank you guys again for running that contest. It's uh Pretty life-changing having a machine that works You know for like home use and stuff Amen, what have you been uh, what have you what have you what have you been doing with it? You haven't taken I mean So I've been you know, I've been doing kind of the same old shift in the most part of what you saw on the screen was um Uh a project I'm doing in my spare time that like, uh, it's kind of left over footage from a video The artist ended up not using that I directed but um, I'm also I'm using it to uh learn blender and stuff like that So because I've never really delved into cg before and I just figure like well I got nothing but time me as well, you know, um And yeah, it also runs the shit out of doom. So that's cool Yes, how does cyberpunk 2077 look on it? That's what I want to know I'm like Uh, oh We lost her we lost her mic sound Jiggle the cable somebody from somebody from sony who is doesn't want anyone to hear his actual thoughts on cyberpunk 2077 Are you hear me again? Yeah, you're good. Okay. Yeah. No, uh I'm curious to try that game. I've I've committed to finishing the games. I already I've purchased before I buy that one But uh, maybe by the time I finish, uh The doom games cyberpunk will actually run. We'll see Tim, did you say jack helped you? Yeah, jack and uh, sean well-brained Is it jack harrick's? Yeah jack harrick's and uh, okay, you in where where are you in the world? Well, I'm in la so jack Sean at blur and and he helped me get like we installed like some more SSDs and stuff and like just to get sent os to boot which was the main hurdle but um, the only thing that doesn't work is um The networking card isn't supported yet and this version sent os But I just found like a 40 dollar specialty wi-fi adapter that goes in usb And it just works fine now, but uh, I also got a really obnoxious customized keyboard with The penguin on the apple key That's really cool. I like it. Yeah, that's the tour of my my little cave. I guess that I'm uh, riding out the apocalypse in Aren't we all aren't yeah Oh, that's great Yeah, no, I'm uh, I don't know. It's a cool contest. I mean I was really impressed with all the entries It's good content as they say Amen Christoph's joined and oh a man is here. Hey, how's it going? What's up? I'm really good. What's up? Welcome to the party. Yeah, happy holidays Um, what I would like to do for a few minutes is uh, I'm gonna put everybody into breakout rooms Like smaller groups because we have a chance to chat Uh, just for a few minutes and then everybody will bounce back here and we'll continue so Buckle out your seatbelts friends um And here we go ready Oh, here they come. Here's everyone again Yeah 22 Welcome back amanda big fan big fan Yes Well, uh, you know a huge one of the huge things that came about this year was the forum and uh, our good friend randy macinty is here And uh randy you have some updates on the forum you want to share with everybody? Oh, yeah, I was actually I I was going to plan something and then I realized at three o'clock p.m. That it was four o'clock eastern so I kind of Kind of dropped the ball on some of my more specific things, but um No, I think I just wanted to kind of just share some of the bigger You know, there's been a lot of amazing things on it. Like there's we had over 850s members Um, this month has been our busy month since one frame of white um when everyone from uh When everyone's parents and aunts and uncles and neighbors were signing up to help vote for them um So, yeah, this month we're on track for like 65 000 Page views a month, which is great. Um I think there's a lot of activity. There's between 5th like 45 and 55 active users a day, which is great. There's always some around like I I have this weird covid sleeping problem where I can't sleep And I just I just log on I see who's active and there's always like 10 or 15 or 20 people that are active At like one or more in two more and I can see when like the Aussies are getting up and the Kiwis are getting up And then, you know All the all of our west coast friends are staying up late. So, um No, it's been a lot of positive things. I think, um, you know with with with the year and it being You know just an absolute roller coaster of emotions with their being high highs and low lows I think A lot of people are starting to figure out Okay, shit. Well, you know, this doesn't last forever and what are what are we going to do about it? Um, a lot of people are helping a lot of people are pitching in and caring, which is awesome I think that there's there's more people saying that they want to do stuff And I think that's what um, I think that's what our 2021 is is to figure out what exactly do we want and how can we be better Members of the community. How can we engage better with our peers with our with with will and his team? um And just and just be better at this whole community thing. Um, I think step one is is kind of happening where we just show up Which has been amazing step two is kind of organizing a little bit looking for all the helpers and then step three is like, okay, like You know, what actually do we want? Um, because I think we're good at getting what we want. We just need to figure that out So that's that's kind of all I had just uh pretty quick. I have to not to congratulate myself overtly, but I did That poll about are we watching Andy eat Yeah, I don't think we ever saw the results of that. You're able to hear that. Well, yeah, no, no, we didn't see the results I'd like to know Well, I think we'd rather watch Andy eat than anyone else drink, right? I mean, that's just a little awkward. So It's conclusive everybody We'll have a new segment on for 2021. It'll be called lunchtime with Andy Dill Yeah, just on mute though I wait, I thought it was Andy milk because we were gonna watch eat You do in the money back I'm sorry Joanne, but thank you for playing Um, when we upload stuff through the portal the new portal, where they go to where's it getting saved? It's actually a great question. It doesn't go anywhere on my server on our servers. It's um, uh, Michael vaglanti. He's set up a Basically a server that the stuff goes to and it just gets redirected so, yeah I think there's like there's a lot of little individual pieces. I think um I think eventually there's there's an opportunity for uh, this is an awful word consolidation of tech You know, if we have a place that's that's that's a forever home that You know, like I mean, I'm looking at the statistics now We've used one meg of like 10 gigs of storage on on the forum. So there's like room to grow and Yeah, we start at and back set up to any images that go along with it. That's gonna go real fast Well, the images. I mean, I don't know if the images even go. I think that's the other tricky part But it's like look, I think it's baby steps and I think Like, you know, we didn't have it a few months ago. Let's use it and see what makes sense. Does it Yeah, does it make sense to do other things? Like Do you want to do an archive or a batch effect or you know, you know, whatever there's just Like what's helpful and we have a little bit infrastructure to play with and to use and and inconvenience some electrons for your benefit. So There's no real wrong answers. I think we just need to start using it and figure out What works and if it doesn't bail and reassign resources and And make the world a better place, you know, there was a great thread last week about um, like the The logic, uh matchbooks. I'm sorry matchbox shaders, you know, and kind of it's it started kind of smaller about like What was it called? It was called like the legacy Oh, I'm just trying to bring the page up here Yeah, well john john thorton brought it up and he's he and I I've known him for a long time He's been at the mill for oh my gosh 20 at least 20 years now um, I think look he you've raised some really good questions and I think You know, and then you know, you look chimes in and and you know, I think it's all You know it's all, you know We're we're not guarantee nothing's guaranteed, right? Um, and I think that that just asks That requires really interesting questions um, you know, nothing to get too deep into in a holiday party, but um, You know 2021's got to be a big year for us and we got to figure out And make some decisions and and get organized and chip in um I would just encourage everybody if you haven't already to just check out this thread here on the forum Um, and you know give it some thought and and give some feedback mm-hmm Yeah, so many people chimed in and I think it's You know with with with many of the members of our community no longer with us. I think It just asks questions like I I only know one person that's retired from being a flame artist um You know So like we're we're getting up there So far so far Well, that got really serious, didn't it? Yeah, I did I'd love to say a lot of you blood coming What's that John? I'd like to see a lot of younger people take on flame somehow get it into the educational institutions and Just it's got to start from there. I think because Resolve's doing that and that's they're doing a you know an all-round package of getting in there at the entry level because it's free Also, so is flame flames free for education as well But I don't know it just needs to the teachers need to grasp as well. They need to you need to get the tutors on board I don't I think flame it's also still got the I don't know if cache is the right word, but it's definitely a mysterious thing that a lot of people still ask me What is it? I don't quite understand it. It's it's I don't know if the lead is still think the thing But like it seems like it's not approachable or usable By just anybody and so that is just makes it not super inviting to new people because it's still a mystery A lot of people are like, oh, I'm just gonna do nuke And and they don't understand the draw or they don't understand the difference of what it is And there's also so much to being a flame artist that I think it scares a lot of people off because you are the ringleader the circus leader the magician the all the things and Maybe that's just a lot of pressure that people don't want or understand So I think like having the ability to to mentor someone in those positions like, you know when How people are in the room with you and have the person They're seeing it's like showing them what it is not just telling them But like having the kind of warm-up seat that you can be there and with the person Leading the room and seeing what they're doing so that you can be like, oh, that's what this is I think unless we get back to that environment the new people aren't going to really get it And there's no reason for them to do it, you know But also flame is all flame has started as a high-end system so For education to take it on board it was too high of a level to get into but now because All the editorial features have come in, you know from smoke Now we can get the younger guys that Have only spent 10 minutes in front of final cut you can get them across over to just do basics on flame just and then let them Take it from just the basic cut and paste and Put a few titles and graphics and that and then they can dive deeper because the depth is there You know start from the beginning and that that's not happening in education over here They're just falling automatically over to premiere, you know or final cut pro, you know now it's going to be resolved They try like why should they write but what's the reason for them to choose flame over the other things don't know anything about flame Over here they you ask i've asked designers not designers. Um, you know university Teachers that you know, have you tried looking at flame and they go, what's that? I go, what do you mean? I agree And I think that it's awesome. Obviously i'm a fan, but I think a lot of people are like It's too complicated and why should I when I can do this other thing that's easier and simpler You know, I think this is a big bite for people to chew What happens a couple years ago? I took oh Sorry A couple years ago. I did took a weekend workshop to learn after effects because I thought I would be interested actually it was about 10 years ago and on the first day of the class Um, we were introducing ourselves and I told the teacher I was a flame artist and he said oh an old schooler What what happens at least in brazil? Two stars What happens like a lot in brazil is that a lot of the newcomers that Are least are least people who comes from after effects or things like that. They want to learn nuke because that's what The feature film and the us uses more So flame is a lot for advertising and Usually people don't want to start and talk about advertising and things like that And there's also as renais said the there's a lot of fear when they see the the interface for the first time So kind of a prejudice. I don't see a lot of people in brazil at least Learning flame there's a few a few facilities that are training some new guys, which is really cool I bumped into a few of them But other than that by themselves is not happening a lot which I think is odd because the autodesk Learning channel is way It has so much content that no No, there's no free content for learning nuke as there is for flame Even the free the free learning software I think this is a huge Kind of area of interest of mine and I think working at a big facility where it was You know, we needed to train juniors because we just had a people problem And then the the globalization and the outsource of a lot of, you know, junior roto and pain tasks, you know That's this is so all this kind of combines plus covet lockdown, you know, all this stuff combines So look, there's so many opportunities for us to chip in and help out Um, and so that's you know, this is a huge part of what I think 2021 could mean for us and and our legacy of logic for lack Of a better phrase, but you know, can we look into um, you know subsidizing hardware software licenses and grants and shipping kids You know stuff like a pelican case full of whatever like there's just so much up We just need to help connect some dots So those are all things that we're thinking about that, you know, if we had a little bit of organization You know, we all have the resources to make that happen So, you know, if you're really passionate about some of the stuff get in touch with me And um, we'll kind of put some committees together and move it forward because there's you know, there's lots to do, right Also with some of the remote connectivity, do we need to ship anything around? Is it a matter of trying to figure out and coordinate more remote login connections? and Things like that because you know localized hardware is becoming less of a necessity. It's true funny. You should mention that i'm uh testing something like that on my end and um Once the permits come through and weird construction happens in my neighbors don't hate me for digging up their backyards I'll be able to offer that so So yeah, that's a that's a that's an option. Um, but there's also a big cost and and You know Cool, but yeah, that could be that could work too It's funny. I was I I used to teach flame or just flint at the time, you know There was a lab at nyu in their midtown campus. I mean, this is i mean, joanne, you probably remember right I mean, this was in the 90s like the the the late 90s. I used to teach there with Mindy uh Oh, you're muted You're muted and we can't hear you through tim Wait, where where was this? This is the nyu had a campus right? Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. Yes At the park. Oh, why can't I think of the park, you know by the library on 42nd Bryant park Mindy taught there also Yeah, that's how we met she was the ta assigned to me the first year that I taught and then she started teaching right after that Charles Quinn used to teach there Had no idea he used to teach there and at the time, you know, it was it was kind of it was amazing There were like three rooms full of Either one room had o twos like shio twos and the other two had They must have been like indigos or something but there there were three labs that had I think alias and then and then Flint on them and I remember when that whole thing went like wound down It was because the hardware was too expensive that that barrier of course is gone because we can run flame on on anything right now, you know, so it is certainly something that I think what's really would help actually is if we could Sorry, I think what would really really help is some kind of Curriculum some kind of really to get youngsters started because flame is so big and diverse and so many areas That you really give some them something at hand Like if you're coming from a grading aspect Start out and the effects tab if you start getting from editing you start out on the desktop and so forth and so forth Because as good as all the resources are they're very particular and they what they don't really teach you is an overwhelm over arcing Concept of what flame really is this is something to this state that you still have to learn person to person And this is something that that's something like the flame learning cell and I can't really can't really Compensate in my opinion, but there's lots of good effects phd introduction courses Over on if only if only we were joined by someone that was really good at teaching effects phd classes Oh, I'm flushing here. Thanks god. I've got this camera turned off Well, let me let me let me ask you a question as as as the representative of the learning channel um One one idea I've been playing with a lot is to create a set of very very basic training And we're talking way below the level of a mid-range even advanced flame artists rarely starting from the very very beginning And it's explaining This is this is flame. This is what it does. This is what the interface is. This is how you use it but on a really really Let's say use a friendly More colloquial level would that be something that will suffice because obviously You know in these day and ages it's very difficult to attend classes So the majority of the way people are learning these days is is pretty much online Yes, I I'm I'm curious I was to produce Something that was really simple really easy. I don't think that's the problem I think it's getting in at At the teaching level the teachers need to introduce flame to the students the student is smart enough today To just grasp the basics of flame if they've come from looking at final cut or if they've looked at premiere They they've seen a timeline by the time they've started their course, you know, their design course They've been playing around in that area now You know, it's not like when we were kids everything was so brand new, you know Like now my son knows how to edit on his iphone So he knows what a timeline looks like. He knows that he wants to put three clips together So you just got to take that knowledge and apply it to flame I don't believe it's that hard now and there's a lot of your resources and And Christopher's resources now to just to to learn that, you know, the exact button to push to get where you want to get They've already got it in their head that they know they've got to put things together I think they've already learned that I I I teach nuke at a school here in Hamburg And I I met the same resentments that some of you guys mentioned that it's like, yeah, but it's hard to maintain It's hard. It's expensive. It's hard to It's it's not running on windows and all these Kind of excuses because they they've got max everywhere and they could install flame without an issue It's just you needed to get it into the facilities into the the University's hands you need to get people there that know and love flame And I always when I teach nuke I always sneak in one course where I say, yeah, let's let's take a look at the other tools And I'll show them flame of course And some of them are quite interested actually But I think you need really to what what the foundry did a couple of years ago and what resolve is doing now You get need to get into the educational Institutes to really hook the people. I'm totally on board with that We've so I've got a lot of experience dealing with Educators and administrators at universities. So kind of in each major market. I've been at a large facility. We've we've We've done a ton of outreach because when you work at a big facility and they grow 30 40 every year They need hundreds of new hires every year not just in flame and you know across the whole spectrum, but I don't think this I don't necessarily think I think that's part of it, but that's I don't think that's the end I'll be all I don't Universities and the and the professors are are under incredible strain and especially since after the kind of 0809 crash there's just like most of the the creative Most of the creative Liberal arts colleges are I mean their enrollment is is cut 30 between 30 and 60 in the last decade So they have zero they just have half the number of kids coming through and and you know Parents aren't forking over hundreds of thousands of dollars for their kids to study video I mean, it's just not really happening right now So I think it's a it's a bigger bigger picture bigger bigger problem. Yeah, what what I think might be interesting is if um Autodesk were to put something together in which you could run an educational version of flame online um, and maybe just use the same Uh Sources and stuff that grant is using in the demos so that you can practice along a bit online without actually having to have flame local On the machine you're working on I think um from what I know about uh college professors might both my parents were teachers and I have a um a brother who's a college professor not in Um in graphics or anything, but um, I think generally and I don't want to be rude about teachers, but they they it's probably because they're under a lot of pressure to to uh, you know stick to their curriculum But it's like they're not They don't want to have to learn something new. So if they if they don't already know flame if they don't already have a um predisposition to adopt flame Maybe the the thing the autodesk should be doing is bringing in um You know educators and you know training them a little bit on flame giving them um a taste of what flame why flame is a unique um way of working and so they don't automatically go to their You know their usual thing that they maybe bring that into their syllabus um You know and maybe but but is that another I think I think what that's what john is talking about Is like getting it into the universe this isn't it's not about You know get engaging the students because the students do whatever the You know curriculum. Oh, yes. No some students are looking at courses going well I want to I want to learn adobe because everybody else is learning adobe So if they see that there's a specific course on flame they go What's flame are how many facilities are running flame and if there's only five in zidney then they're going to go Ah, you know what I want to learn I want to learn after fix because everybody's learning after fix, right? This is something this This is something that we've thought about a lot and you and I in logic and we've identified a few people that are that are interested in creating some kind of structured something Whether that's just a syllabus or curriculum of of the things that are out there or just a roadmap You know, those are all things that are that you know, we're thinking about that are interesting And if someone has ideas or is passionate about stuff like get a hold of me soon because You know, that's definitely something that I think we can look at because I don't I would argue that that's that's not an out of this problem you know Maybe maybe i'm wrong, but um, I think that's yeah, I mean it is a problem if if it doesn't have momentum if the if if their customer base doesn't have momentum because they're just not young people using it and we all retire and You know, suddenly there's nobody to run it and it could become an out of this problem Yeah, that's right. What's in it for the universities? You know if if what I just could say we'll set you up a lab We'll set you up the the teacher and we'll we'll do it at no cost type thing just to get just to get The educators teaching it, you know getting it in there Like brazil it's pretty kind of difficult though like so i'm working as a junior and It would have been awesome to have flame back at uni Um, but you can get away with it in london because you will start to run or anywhere and you can still pick it up Well, what i'm struggling with right now during the pandemic is that people don't really want to pay enough to run a flame to do the simple jobs So, you know, if it's just like just a bit virtual or clean up with your junior it could easily do They're just like oh, so can you do it on you or after effects because it's cheaper for us So, you know loads of stuff I end up having to do a nuke Even though I don't like flame would be way faster because they just Refused to have the budget for it even though nuke is more expensive to license Yeah I'm just gonna say that we when we created our our flame systems at lively there was a conversation I had with the boss, you know it was She said yeah, she thought that the you know the What looked at the estimate thought the estimate was too high and I just looked the most expensive thing on the list here Is the hardware? I mean the software is Nuke's got an indie license It's easy. What's that? Nuke's got an indie license though Oh, yeah, they did just drop that indie license. I forgot about that which is which is competing with Is competing with um adobe Yeah, but for me here for instance somebody told me about uh spoke to me about working with nuke on the indie license but I had but they wanted the script to to make uh Sweet to to do any kind of work after I'm done And they couldn't because the the indie version doesn't doesn't transfer so For me for instance, it's just not worth it to use It's true. Like I take so many issues with it. I would love to be back on flame. Just tell my clients it's better There's a lot of disinformation that needs to be fought and undone that's built up over the years because of flames historic reputation And uh and that's unfortunate where a lot of it still is and a lot of its education even to the producers because they've been now You know, they'll throw its nuke because they think it's cheaper because historically it was and really it's kind of isn't and uh, the other thing I think is a big part of the education is a lot of times flame artists or operators however you want to term us You know, everybody's there because you kind of work to where they're so there's already for most There's an embedded bit of knowledge that a lot of times You know nuke people who you know, not necessarily not to disparage them necessarily but a lot of them are just Sat into the seat without any foreknowledge. It's kind of a you know, they'll know a few buttons The press and how to get to the road on open things like that But they may not know about You know the million other things that you need to know to get through a job get a job done hand it off And to kind of produce it in the end. So I think I think there's a lot of informational bits that Need to be sorted out I think I think honestly part of it for me is it feels like it's also It's like a stigma kind of thing like you guys are saying like people for some reason have this kind of stigma that flame still is really expensive and It's only for commercials and I think what at the core of that for me a problem with the thought with that is that um It's kind of like uh, it's almost like a marketing thing like it it it seems like the software itself Seems like it had some kind of antiquated the reputation of being like an old school commercial the effects school When I don't really see it that way and to speak on what you guys were talking about before like it I had I reached out to or no a school reached out to me actually about doing online course for them and I was trying to figure out how to do an online course with flame that would be like exciting to Like young kids and I think part of the problem we have is that the content that we have for people learning flame it just seems like if it's very software and the package and Driven when we I feel like it would be better served to reaching a wider audience It was kind of like content and more contemporary The idea I had for this class which I pitched to the school Was to create like a curriculum that was based around Tick-tock videos So I don't know if you guys have seen like those Tick-tock youtube stars that do these like little youtube Like vfx tricks where they like go into the monitor or they Snap their fingers and like an egg turns into a cool. Yeah, like these magic trick things and I think that from Content standpoint it makes way more sense because if you're trying to reach out to young kids They just want to see something that's cool online and they'll find out Oh the person that did this is using Oh the software flame that I just I can download education license and learn it And once you hook them with something that's like they can make a cool youtube video that they could post online And then that gets them into the rabbit hole of like, oh this person's using the software and they're posting all these packages I they're using this package to do all these tools Obviously, they're going to go with that to create it and I think for me My mindset was like that seemed like kind of how if you guys remember like I mean he's still around obviously but like How andrew kramer really drew people into after effects when he was doing those tutorials was you would see these videos online with Like lens flare videos and like the shatter effects and you couldn't you didn't know How this stuff was happening or who was doing it where it was doing you found out Oh this guy's using after effects and he's he's creating all this stuff But he's grounding it in Things that kids want to be doing right now or filmmakers want to be doing right now instead of focusing so much on Soft on like the software and the buttons and shit like part of my friend She might give the fuck about the buttons and shit people want to get excited about The the videos that they can make and share and send to their friends So I think that in my mind is how you get more people stop worrying so much about The buttons and morey more about like selling flame is like this is the thing you can use to make these fun as TikTok videos and post that content online and get it to go viral and get kids to look at it and be like Oh, that's how I do that. TikTok video. You know, like that's like a little niche I feel like right now that like that's why I thought of it and I pitched it to them And she pitched it asked the kids like would you guys want to learn how to make these TikTok videos and they lost their minds They were like, yeah, it's so excited to do it. They wouldn't give a shit what the Software was I thought I told them I could have been using You know like photoshop They would be like I want to learn how to use photoshop to make these fun videos You know, and I think that's what in my mind is more of the focus I'm developing the curriculum right now And I'm actually I actually was working with I'm actually working with some of you guys in autodesk to use some educational licenses to do this um And and yeah, and and I think that's really how you approach it, you know, like because I think it's more complicated Like all of you guys said, I think it's not only Yeah, you want to get it into the Universities, but also you want Flame to have a broader appeal and I think the way you get that broader appeal is by Making like showing the things that are being done with it are sexy and cool and fun, you know nobody wants to sit there and like Look at You know like button pushing and like oh man, this is how you get the motion vector to get like no offense grant on here I hope grant doesn't get mad at me This is how you get like, you know a sign to stick on to the side of a person's face That's kind of cool But like I want to be the next kids want to be like the next youtube star Help me make some videos that'll make me like a youtube star or show me some tricks That'll help save a bunch of time and make it fun and cool And you know that kind of like andrew kramer style and I feel like like you guys were saying before We have such strong content Technically as far as getting an artist to be good at what they're doing and hey How do you how do you use like planar tracking to like stabilize something and fix? Like a car paint on a car, you know like or reflections on a car But that's just not hot like people are not gonna Kids aren't gonna go online and be like, oh, yeah, like what's the next time I can Paint out a car reflection on a shot like you know, it's not did not googling how to How do you fix a reflection on a car? You know, they're googling like magic trick videos and like yeah I agree with you man. So much on that. That's a really good one I was something that I wanted to pitch to I went to school at specks howard school of media arts in southfield michigan, rene Um And one of the things that they were doing they were starting to get some classes together Just like you were saying and one of the things that I wanted to pitch to them was like, you know Matchbox for this kind of stuff that you were talking about instead of like a 2b. It's like the t2 shader, you know Or something like that. Yeah, there's something that they can easily go through and do and that they have controls at the bottom That you know, they can adjust it as well, but it's gotta be super easy Amazing your friends Right jump into a puddle and the puddle swallows you it's amazing. How does this work? Yeah, they want to do that and Coming down like Yeah, for sure I'm doing like a little course for that for the school and I'll I'll let you guys know how it goes I feel like it's being well received and if it does well enough I might just post it online for like Just people to look but I think if you do that center it more in the content and then the package is like Hey, I use flame to do this because it's faster. It's better. It does this and this you've already got them, you know, like Yeah, I got you back man. I think that's really yeah, it's a good idea for sure Thanks And then eventually it's just a big e-sport where we were when we got a when we get out of when we go to vegas next Like we'll have like 10 kids all like cage match Like hunger game style doing fucking tiktoks in under 15 minutes And we're selling tickets for a hundred bucks a pop like why not? I'll be in it. I'll do it I would love that. I would love that you should do like a flame olympics, you know give them like three pieces of footage and you got like 10 minutes to make some cool, you know, that would be fun like so anything just I think we're just as far as like content and positioning ourselves as like a software platform But also as an artist and content creators. We're really far behind On on that side and what yeah, we're too busy pinning out dogs balls. I mean, it's like, you know That's wrong with cats and dogs But also too we have the one frame of white for I think you know for the artist But maybe we could do something even on a bigger scope where like it'll be like Either on the autodesk page the logic live page like it has to be something that's a little bit more In everybody else's face because right now I think it's a little bit on a smaller group And I think once we are able to blast that out to like a bigger base I think people probably catch on to it more. Yeah, I think the problem is very much so I think Yeah, go for it. Let me Oh, I'm sorry. I was just gonna say a lot of the things that we do to like Be excited about flame are inward directed and I think you need to shine that light outside We need to be like look how excited we are to do this. Check it out everybody. Yeah Bring more marketing marketing marketing. Yeah, and I think even from What would be clever is like from a standpoint of like a user base when we're creating stuff Shift the mindset from like oh like and not saying that like I don't care about artists I mean, I'm an artist. I love artists, but like it should be Customer facing like you should be like, okay. This is like when we're creating one frame white How could we make this as a thing that would entice or excite? Customers as well like for us we nerd out on the one frame white stuff because we're artists and it's like artists facing But it should also be you should be thinking that how can we make this so it's more customer facing not only artists facing, you know Yeah I think I love your ideas. I think that's super cool. I'm super excited about having like a TikTok video Because of what's helping Coming right up t2 shader man t2 beauty. That's one thing that any and I were talking about recently because the one frame of white You know is is is fun. It's it's become kind of an institution of our of our history of our culture But there's only a dozen or less entries. Um, so does it really have You know, and we tried a couple things we experimented with You got to be kidding me We we experimented with trying to find something else that was that didn't take months and didn't require You know a huge stuff and it didn't require a thesis level understanding of stuff It's all super intimidating though, too. I mean like it's super intimidating. What was it like greg paul's thing a couple years? Oh god, you know what I mean? It's like I can never top that. I'm never There's a there's got to be a way to even the playing field and maybe invite more people I think maybe a man that you were saying something about something like that Well, why don't we just provide elements be like look here are five elements Yeah, do this do something with these five elements Everybody has the same everybody even though one frame of my white is theoretically starting from the same place It's totally not because it's like here's the earth do something cool How about like if you corner people and be like Working with restrictions as an artist. I find that really like it's gonna be better for this gets it gone. It's better Yeah, I think to have a restricting if you're like, okay here are these five things or here are these three things Do something with these three things? I think and then you'll end up with I think Bottom line is you'll end up with something with more people Feeling like they can okay. I can grasp for this. Yeah, I've never once really felt like I was like, okay I've got an idea. I'm gonna do this one frame or right here. We go. It's like I'll watch them and then I'm like I'm cool. Yeah You have to think of every single thing when it's that wide open of a playing field of nothing It's like something from nothing. It's too big. Yeah I think I think well I think it's like twofold. I think yeah, it can be intimidating that it is like an empty canvas, right? That's always intimidating when you have an empty canvas and that's where you're starting from But if you want to leverage that like this group is called logic live, right? Maybe you change the timeline and you make it a live thing Like in the stream the people doing the thing so that you can see a battle here a stream bad Yeah, like a flame battle like honestly, I feel like people would tune in to see People doing something with a I would be sitting there because then if you don't feel like being in it you could have people outside as like customers I would just be shit talking to people the whole time You're gonna use that no The shit talking is required Just Yeah, but that's way more scared minutes to think about It was like what do I do? I'm done log out Where they set up a theme and go through it bringing a full circle there, Andy Wow Yeah, I mean it's super great. Everyone just really awesome. Shit. It's so cool. But I look at that. I'm just like, I don't know anymore You've got the same five people You always enter frame one frame of white going in for and everybody else is really happy Believe it to last year We tried to mix it up last year with that like, you know, you got to be kidding me Challenge, which was providing everybody with the same materials, you know, it was the same Why can't it be like the worst one wins or something like that? I don't know Let's get the sick finger most embarrassed one Andy how many entries did we get for you got to be kidding me? We got one. We got one. Yeah, yeah Yeah, and that was like that was like a whole thing, you know, here's here's an aaf or xml. Here's the footage Grant provided me with all that stuff, which was awesome. Yeah, and then it was just like Take this in the most opposite direction. You possibly should you know I think this should have been like a cuts only conform and the client said, you know I think there should be, you know, a flock of birds and lasers and dinosaurs and Everybody should have nine eyeballs or something, you know Um I do like the aspect of trying to do it live do it live, baby I like the aspect of taking 10 hours. I think 10 hours. Lali I think we've got to have you as like the shit talker in chief. Listen, man. I got you. I could shit talk all day Do it live. I'm telling you that's the answer do it live give people make it like tournament style I'll shit talking myself. It's gotta be like turn tournament is march madness canceled and like probably logic man probably It'll be tournament style and like chopped, you know, like where you're gonna be handy You're not gonna know the elements you're gonna be given until you you know, you should make it like uh, yeah What are the good iron chef iron iron chef and then you have the judges at the end judge And when you play it down and it could be like Andy Like grant and and ran it and you guys could just look at it and just give like brutal somebody's gotta be like the simon cow You'll get Can I do that? Yeah, we need we need we need to represent some different accents and it'll be set Iron flame. Yes. I like that name One It's the other way you can go can you yeah, yeah, exactly Yeah, and you could do subsector like things that we've all run into like you said will like Like someone gives you like the shittiest crappiest thing that they need you to like track and put something into a screen or something You know like yeah, totally way off just so that it because it's also if you understand it as an artist It's like oh, it's an inside joke and people on the outside watching this thing Like not saying that I want people to fail on purpose, but like Some of these things might be built that like you can't do it really and so We need like the lead-up video to the lead-up video where someone's just like I didn't know what to do man when they handed me the t-rex with like two tree stumps And I had to make arms out of it. I just wasn't sure what to do Like we need some sort of lead-up video that kind of explains Where it can get a little hard is Some guys know more about 3d in flame and there's a 3d task than somebody else knowing more about color grading in flame Yeah, it is the idea. It doesn't matter what tool or maybe you match up like all the people that like are horrible with color And the other people that are horrible with like tracking That's the best part That's entertainment people. It's fucking entertainment Yes, randy you want to see people burn and if you suck at 3d in flame Then you'll get there after you're embarrassed in front of everyone Like gordon ramsey's show doesn't work if they're not kitchen nightmares But then no one's gonna hire me after this We'll pay someone else to pixelate your face over the video How much trash work I have out in the world that I don't want people to see it doesn't matter nobody cares I think if if if someone put something was was was giving a shit and making the community better Um, I don't give a shit. What did it, you know what I mean? Like awesome. You're you're you're leaning in hard So that's all that I think that matters Plus we'll give you a certificate. We'll give you a genuine A genuine certificate that says, you know, these Uh opinions don't necessarily represent the official opinions of a man to ellie. It only those It'll kind of be like a safe harbor statement. Yeah, exactly. We'll just put a legal on the bottom of it This artist is not shit And it will be horsey One of the hardest things is going to be we're all professionals and we want the best Speak for yourself simon speak for yourself. Yes, and I'm john. Oh john. Where'd you go? I'm over here. Oh, you're on a page. I'm sorry We we know that we want to make the best pixels on the screen So it'll be hard to let something trashy go out. Well, then you've got 30 minutes That's the game exactly I think you're certainly see people with tons of experience fail because they spent too much time nitpicking details Like that's part of the thing you've got 20 minutes. Yeah, sure You needed an hour to make it look beautiful But like it's part of the challenge part of the embrace the fail Oh, we could also change it up It's like take a towel and all p.m. And then go or maybe the one where you put your head on the bat And you spin around on the bat and then you have to go on your flame That's well, that's what we'll do. No, no, no. Make them do it. Make them do it using rg So what time would you like Take turns in the fog like people like Compositing episodes, you know Mm-hmm Well, thank you very much, man. I will just say I take off happy holidays, buddy. Yeah, happy holidays folks. Good seeing you Thank you for everybody. Well, thank you. Well, I will yeah and give our love to everybody on the deaf team we'll do wait Tim I just loaded up Oh, sorry. Will and Tim is will gone will gone. I will just um That plug-in that will just mention about the text. Is anyone using the blue? What was it called again blues? I mean new blue new blue Title tool for in in our effects Anybody using it? Yeah, no I just loaded it up and it actually works quite okay in in batch o effects So will was saying how um that has improved a lot and that and it looks like it works now When I loaded it a few years ago Didn't work in o effects very well, but it was okay as a standalone app But uh, yeah, it'll be interesting if people are hardcore about text tool. I'll try tomorrow Yeah, could be a good, um substitute I gave up on text or What was that again? What is it? It's an o effects Plug-in it's called blue type of pro That while it's 12 title of pro and it's at new blue effects calm apparently. That's it Yeah, I just installed it I just put it in the chat Oh, thanks, man Well, I want to um, I want to share with you guys A message that I got from evar's brother this morning This was really really beautiful. He sent me a message and he sent me some pictures about Or rather from from the funeral for evar And he told me that uh before the funeral They had a requiem for evar Celebrated in their church and it was very solemn and emotional and that the lovely Lines that were written in the community about his brother were read aloud at the funeral and uh, ansgar and uh, yesper from From logic were there and they spoke about evar and uh, He did send me some pictures that I wanted to share with everybody See here They had his don't worry shirt And like a quintessential picture of evar Which is just beautiful The first time I looked at this I did not see Mario sitting in the flowers And that just made it A million times better So yeah, definitely an enormous loss for this year And I wanted to thank Sven for sending that stuff over And uh, yeah, I don't uh, I saw john had put in the the text here I I don't have any other info about about like specifics about evar just uh, that is heart stopped But if I do hear anything I'll certainly let you guys know Um I wanted to thank everybody for coming on today I I really do think that, you know, this kind of Full of forum we should do maybe Regularly, maybe even, you know, do it once a month just for a chance to talk and chat Um, oh, I'm getting there's a lot of there's thumbs up happening in the gallery here. So we'll definitely do that Hey mark, welcome, man Mark got on the last flight out to fiji So I'm glad uh to see that you made it there man before the the airlines were shut down so Good to see you But yeah, you know, uh, thank you very much everybody for All that you've done this year to kind of help keep this community going and You know, everybody who volunteered, uh, or may have been coerced to, you know, present on logic live. Thank you You know, it's always appreciated And uh, I just wanted to ask everybody here and I'll I'll mention it to the couple of people who had to leave Email me your address and I'll send you I'll send you a mask. I'll send you a logic tv mask If you haven't already gotten one so please do and uh, I know john's yours is in the mail I did send that out Thank you Do you do you mind if I ask a quick question to the everyone? Sure, um, um, um I used to work with a gentleman by the name of simon bruster back in the day And I know he's a he became a flame up and went to the states and I haven't been able to work Out where he's working and where he is does anybody know a simon bruster Okay, this is the challenge of logic live in 20. Yes. I yes, I do know. Um, I've known him in the past. I haven't I think I've I think I may have chatted with him recently On line, but uh, yeah, I think it's on linkedin. I think that's where I've where I yeah, but I he was um He was you know, one of the big uh freelancers here You know in the past Well, I I will bump into him now and again. He was my uh mentor. He was I actually learned everything from him Back in the day when he was in sydney australia working at a company called VTC Right where we were very much an analog, uh, you know an analog video house, you know, do you know adam howard? No, I don't know adam howard. No Yeah But simon, yeah, he was he was worked there for A few months and then he went off to england and I then think he went off to the states So I haven't been able to there were there were several simon flame artists in in la for for a while And everybody got very confused. I think there's at least four four or five What's that? It's like andy's now. Yeah andy's And one other gentleman who fucking quickly asked What was his name? Was it uh Tim Davey's Yeah, he's a Kevin. He's a Kevin. I think in the Simon Brewster of Brewster Parsons. Yeah. Yeah Okay, so He was at Brewster Parsons He was a small shop in venice and then I think he left And Darcy Parsons kept going Yeah, and then Darcy Kevin right teamed up with Tim Davey's and Sue Troy and to make Kevin right and they're now I think it's going back to him as well back in uh, Sydney, Australia Yeah, he was my boss at the mill great White hair. Yeah short white hair. Yeah Cool. Thank you. I've been in touch with him. Maybe some of them There you go. Thank you everybody. Thanks for coming on today And uh, I want to wish you all a very happy holidays. Thank you for everything again this year And uh, definitely send me your email address or send me an email at uh logic live I'm sorry logicvfx at gmail.com. Hold on. Let me correct that and put it in the In the chat at gmail.com and I will send you out a mask and uh, thanks for all the suggestions and you know, I think Kind of intrigued by this kind of live challenge by a live like, you know flame gladiator Challenge, I think that could be kind of fun. I know it's something that has been talked about in the past um But I think that could make for a damn fun sunday Pretty genius. Maybe we can't get that going do it Andy. Do it. Don't talk about it Do it How do we do it with you? Yeah, oh, right. That's it's gonna happen. It's gonna be me. I'm gonna have to be me versus somebody you know But you know, the best part about that is if it's me versus somebody then I won't have to coordinate Yeah, you'll have to do that as well. Yes I like this We'll figure it out. We'll definitely figure it out and um, I'll I'll we're taking a couple weeks off But I'll definitely announce, uh, you know on the forum and on logic on facebook What we've got planned. I've got a couple for the new year I got a couple of episodes lined up already for january, but I want to flesh that out a little bit And just keep the suggestions coming and thank you everybody Okay, I'm gonna play the goodbye music. Thank you, andy. Thank you Happy holidays everybody Bye everybody