 Excellent. It is the top of the hour. So good morning to everyone. Good morning from Seattle, Washington. Great to have you on the call. And as I suspect we'll get additional people getting on the calls, we'll go forward. So this is the Hyperledger Healthcare Special Interest Group. This is, again, a special topic meeting focused around the COVID-19 virus. And we're going to probably be, I'm hoping to wind down these special topic meetings probably in the next few weeks or so next month. And we're trying to transition ourselves back into a what I would call a more regular cadence. But the focus and the emphasis continues to be on COVID virus. There's so much work going on in this space. And we continue to have quite a number of folks really around the world in our global community who are really trying hard to find ways to help facilitate solutions, primarily technology solutions that have an impact on our global community. And these are of course related in some way to blockchain technologies. So before we get too deep into it, as always, this is a recorded open community, open source meeting. And we do have a slide that I want to present that's on screen. Please read through the details on that. The upshot is do not share anything that may be IP related and generally be what I always like to say be a good person. And if you need to read anything more details, there's our antitrust policy identified in the URL there as well. I always am looking to to sort of welcome any new members first time folks that may be on the call. It's great to have you and very much appreciate your engagement your involvement and taking that sort of first step to get involved in the organization. Anyone on the call this morning, who may be new, like to introduce themselves. Hello, I'm new. Yes, go ahead. I'll put my video. I'm Bashar Sahib. I'm the CEO of mobile interactive where digital therapeutics company, and we're super interested in having the our customers and our patients have access to their data and where where it goes and so super interested in, and the specialist group here to see the directions headed for for blockchain and healthcare. Excellent. And where are you guys located. We're distributed headquarters are in Singapore but we have people working all around the world. Excellent. And where are you, where are you located physically. Oh, right now I'm in British Columbia. Oh, a whereabouts in BC. It's called salmon arm. It's about halfway between Vancouver and Calgary, a little small town in the mountains. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I, I'm from Seattle so I am in BC often as probably about as far northeast as well Banff Calgary. So, and you're, and you're, you're coming through great so it feels like your next door so great to have you. Well, I guess a virtual neighbor so yeah, exactly. Well, good to have you on the call I appreciate it and really for anyone that's new on the call. I'll direct your attention. We have we keep a membership directory. Once you get set up with the Linux Foundation ID or what we call LF ID. This will give you the opportunity to come here and put your name contact information in. And really the the importance of this is so that you can sort of keep keep in touch with other members of this group. This is a very small sample of total membership total membership for this group is close to about 1000 members and that's at a global level. But yeah, always great to find ways to use this organization as a way to sort of socially network and engage with others with similar interests so so welcome and great to have you. Anyone else on the call want to introduce themselves. Joaquin. Yes, go ahead. I'm new to. I'm from Brazil. I am. I'm a CEO of yazis.tech. It's a health care company. And I'm a chief business development of mbm hobby. There is a company that works for government here in Brazil. And there are some cases that are going to present to you. I'm based in Brazil, Brazil, the capital of the country. And I'm here to help and so on. Excellent. Yeah, and we'll be hearing from you shortly. So thanks for for joining us on the call to particularly today. Thank you. Yeah. Anyone else new new to the group new to the call. Sure. Good morning. My name is Dan Drescu. I'm the presidency of a company called terror hub technologies. We're based out of Calgary, Alberta, and we're a private blockchain tech company focused on managing worker personal information. Excellent. Great. And say again the name of the company. Terror hub technologies, terror hub technologies. Great. Great to have you on the call. And yeah, feel free to make use of the membership directory. And I'll also mention, for those of you that are new to the call we do keep a chat channel. And it's really called through rocket chat but the connection you can grab here rocket chat is very similar to slack for those of you that are familiar with slack and it's a great opportunity to really sort of talk in real time if if there's a need to do so. So great to have you already anyone else on the call before we move on. Yeah, this is Jeff Stolman I'm certainly not new to the group but I'm kind of doing some different work that I thought it would be interest, which is I'm focusing on the right to be forgotten and the ability to I wouldn't say edit the blockchain because it can't. I don't believe in doing that but being able to regain privacy, which may be particularly applicable for this virus tracking. Yeah, well good good to have you on the call again Jeff and yeah that that aspect that you talk about as a big deal, clearly because of GDPR and then some of the work that's happening here related to GDPR, particularly in California and some other states here in the US. And that becomes a big issue going forward. And so yeah, great, great to have you sort of focus on that and good to good to hear from you Jeff. Thanks. Alrighty, let's let's sort of move on. We're going to do a very brief pass on community announcements. Normally, what happens is the way the structure of this special interest group works is we have these general meetings which right now our special topic meetings and at the at the in these general meetings the intent is to really showcase the work that's being done by our three different subgroups. We're going to forego that with the exception of the payer subgroup because they're they're doing some very special work on a pharmacy. And so, let's see is is Ravish on the call Ravish do you want to do a quick quick update on what's going on with that with the POC. Yeah, so thank you very much Rich and thanks for the opportunity for a quick call out here. We are, you know, I lead the pairs of group and we meet every other Friday, not the Friday when this this meeting starts today around 1pm on on Fridays 1pm Eastern time and we shortlisted a pharmacy management fraud management use case that we are starting to, you know, to really get into a POC build out. And I think the team has been has was first deliberating on, you know, the use case if you finalize the use case. And now we are getting into a kind of a development mode, POC build out mode. So I would encourage anyone who wants to join hands with us. You can join next Friday 1pm Eastern time. We are going to be we are going to be covering the use case at a high level in each of the sessions just for initial five 10 minutes so everyone can get anyone who joins new can still feel that they can quickly get up to speed. And all the information is available on on on the meeting, you know, meeting minutes with the use case available there. So, just wanted to call that out. And here's your wiki page and so so sounds good. Thanks very much for that reach rubbish. And best of luck on that this is an exciting sort of new new work effort for for you and the team and so really, really sounds very promising. Thank you. Anyone else have anything that they'd like to make announcements to as they relate to black team technologies and healthcare. But this is Jonathan just real quick we had a very successful hackathon for the consensus health just concluded, and we're in the midst of judging right now, he'll be announcing winners on Monday. Oh, excellent. Over 50 mentors sign up so I think there was a few mentors who are on the call today. Thank you so much for helping out the teams we had over 400 500 participants, and ultimately 18 submissions. Oh, wow, excellent. And Jonathan when when the sort of final judge you come through be great to maybe find some time we can set aside and we can talk through the winners and the implications and some of the work that they're doing. I think. Excellent. Thanks, Jonathan. Alrighty, well, let's move on to sort of the sort of special feature here. And again, this is a special talk topic meeting for the HCC. And we're always very, very interested in understanding how others around the world have been sort of managing the COVID-19 virus. Today, we're really happy to have Diogenes from Brazil talk a little bit about some of the work that he and his team are doing in Brazil. And, and again, this this really is intended to be really informational for those of us, particularly here in the US we tend to be very myopic sometimes about how healthcare works outside of the US. And so it's always great to have an opportunity to sort of get a much broader understanding of what's going on elsewhere. I know Dennis from Switzerland talk Guillermo from Mexico had opportunity to speak in the past. And so we're really getting kind of a very, very good sort of global understanding of how the COVID virus has manifested itself differently in different countries and different cultures. And so I'm thrilled to have Diogenes sort of step up and offer to speak and talk a little bit about Brazil. So Diogenes, I'm going to hand over to you. I'm going to stop sharing for a moment and then you should be able to pick up the share from there. Okay. And then go ahead and share your screen and, and we're good to go. Thanks for my screen. Perfect. Yes. So, let me talk about what have here in Brazil. I'm Diogenes. I'm kind of interested in healthcare for about two or three years. We have a client here in Brazil that is the Minister of Health. And in there, we have to do some solutions for the patients and for the particulars and so on. So as a broader scope of our solutions here in Brazil, the Minister of Health serves all the 27 states that we have here in Brazil. And when first to introduce, let's talk about the new normal. We know that we have a specially challenging situation at the moment. We have a new normal that transformed our future in our present in the present that we know that we knew now is past and we never come back. We need to put it in our minds and to do something on this. And here in Brazil, we have a lot of challenges with the pandemic situation that we have for COVID-19. Brazil is a continental country with federal states. We have 27 federal states. 200 million population and different conditions in its states. We have states like Sao Paulo that are very rich comparable to Europe and United States. And we have states like Acre, Hondonia that are compared with Africa, very poor, with no conditions, and we have a lot of issues about that to handle it. I'm going to talk about some things here about this problem that we have. COVID in Brazil at the moment, we have 200,000 cases and we are rising. We are not at the peak yet and we are rising. At the moment, we have a very big problem on testing all the population. As you know, there's a big population and we have to test. There are some cities that are already in lockdown and some cities like Manaus, Fortaleza, from the north and northeast in Brazil. They are already in lockdown. There are some studies about locking down Sao Paulo. It's our biggest city here in Brazil. It's like New York for you in the United States. And we have around 13,000 deaths at the moment. And as I said, we are not at the peak yet. So it's a very challenging situation for us in Brazil at the moment. As we are thinking about this problem, maybe we can be the top three in about two weeks. We can be the top three cases and deaths in the world. And we have some other issues like there is no more physicians to work in the states that are in lockdown and the states that are problematic. We have fewer physicians per person than most development counters and fewer resources like masks, like ventilators. There are not very good in the states that are poorest. In the richest states, we have some problems that we have some areas that are very well-equipped and some other areas that are not equipped. And they have a lot of problems with that with the poorest. And our health care facilities, they don't use a lot of electronic health records. For example, hospitals with more than 50 beds. In general, there are 77% that use only paper. So there is a very big difficulty on getting this information to take some decisions that are needed and so on. In Brazil, there are more than five billion records in year, in nine year, and more than 50K labs and 80K hospitals. And we have a very big problem with interoperability and silos. For this is that we have addressed blockchain as a solution to resolve these issues on interoperability and so on. I have represented in Hyperledger Global Forum this year before the pandemic. It was on March 4. What we are planning to do and what we were doing here in Brazil about the interoperability and using blockchain. The pandemic only has fastened our scenario to deploy all the states. When I talk in the Global Forum, we are only planning to start with Alagoas. And then we have here all the states with us in the blockchain network. And we have a very big problem here in Brazil. It's about trustness. As we know, we have a deep fake era, the posture of era. And at the moment, there is a lot of misinformation here in Brazil about what is the COVID-19, what are the treatments. If we use some medicine or not, some drugs or not. And we have to address this as we work for the Ministry of Health. We have to address this to the entire population. So fighting against COVID-19 here in Brazil, we have to use three approaches. One of them is with the citizens with diagnosis and information. The other is on testing population notify and monitor cases and beds. And the other one is empowering practitioners. There's our three approaches that we are acting right now. The first approach on the citizens is the coronavirus app. We have an app and a chatbot that are offered to the entire population. And this app, as you know, you can download on the Google and Apple Store. And it can handle the self-assessment of health status. And then give some directions to the population what the population can do or need to do. If they need to have a call from the preclinical care, they can address in depth to say that they want to have this call. We are doing right now our voucher for the test. If somebody has contact with another person that has been infected by COVID-19, they can have the test on the app. We are planning on doing integration with Apple and Google exposure notification API. At the moment we are talking with Apple and Google. And planning to do this on the few weeks will be in production in this app. So for the population, they have already the tele-sus approach. We call the population that are on a condition that could not have a smartphone to address if they have the symptoms, if they are exposed, if they need to be cared about the health system. Here in Brazil we have a public health system that is very big. Around 150 million people have care about this public system and about 50 million people with private sector. So we have tried a big population to the public system. And we have a solution to notify the cases, test and monitor everybody. That is called notification. This solution, we have monitor of cases and beds and approaches on whether a health facility has a full of beds or not. If they need resources or not, then this platform address all the stuff about the cases that are there, the cases that are waiting for tests and so on. So this platform goes beyond the cases and the resources. They monitor all the stuff in health facilities. Here in Brazil we have a test strategy that is on place at the moment. We have 50,000 labs that are doing testing. And in this phase one, we have already bought 42 million tests for the population. At the moment we are adhering to the solution to handle these tokens, these vouchers for the population in order for them to be tested. And we have a solution for the citizens called ConnectSus. The solution shows for the patient the timeline and the COVID exam result, the result of COVID-19 exams in his timeline. And with this information, we can send to our servers if the patient has been infected and in contact with somebody that could be infected. We can send it to Big Care on the contact tracing approach. That is what we are developing at the moment in partnership with Eton and Google. We have the patient summary. There is a summary for all the information, the previous problems that the patient could have, the drugs that he had taken, and last encounters that he had with the system, with some physician and so on. The last exams, allergies and so on. So in this timeline, on our solutions, we are using artificial intelligence to provide an intelligent patient summary too. Talking about blockchain, in our strategy, the timeline for the patients are shared between the nodes for the states and for the public sector too. All of this is on cloud and they are using Hyperledger Fabric. So in our strategy, we are using as protocol fire to send information and using a fire server to put this document and this information on blockchain. So we have some timeline assets, some patient assets, and so fire documents on our private data collection approach on blockchain. And we have an approach using data analytics with anonymized patient information in order to have KPIs and solutions to address some political solutions and decisions and so on. So we have an app for the patient that can integrate with Wearables too. We have an app for the protectioners and we have an integration with EHR and EMR software too. Jeff talked about GDPR at the first moment about the right to be forgotten and here in Brazil, we do not need to address this specific point of the right to be forgotten because the law of the healthcare system is wider and have a biggest force on the law system than the GDPR. But we have to consent the access to the data and we do this with smart contracts and handle this with private data collection too. Some numbers that we have in production, we have 2,000 transactions per second on AWS cloud. It's prepared to use Microsoft, Azure and GCP too. We have already tested on these two and we are prepared to use on them. We use RAF consensus with five nodes and two channels. We have more than 230 million patients on assets on blockchain. They are already there on our structure and we have two years from now on timeline stored on blockchain too. And we are preparing for 42 million tests. Some patterns and guidelines that we are using here as we are on a healthcare group. You can understand this on the deeper situation. We have some patterns like SNOMED, DiconLine and FIRE as our structure to handle all the interoperability stuff on sending and receiving messages. And we are using REST JSON to send messages to our servers. As I talked, FIRE is our standard for packaging batches in Brazil. And we are using with FIRE in our profile. Some objects like condition, encounter, procedure, observation, immunization, medication, spans, composition. And we are plugging in with clinical documents from EHR or EMR, from personal health data, Apple Watch, Galaxy Watch and Fitbit. Exams, diagnosis, images and equipments and informations from our apps from the patient and from the doctor. And all of this is stored on our network. We are using some APIs to integrate. So besides we are using FIRE, we open our NCDA converters for the FIRE message. And we follow this, we can change gears to what we are planning to do after the pandemic. As I talked before, we are on a new normal. And we need to be prepared for the new normal. Here are some things from China. In China, they are getting this new normal handle at the moment. But as we know, they are not democratic. So they can have some powers that on democratic countries we don't have. So we need to address this in a very careful way. First of all, we are using some things with blockchain and AI to do the intelligent patient summary. We are getting those informations there on blockchain. And we are using them to give a summary for physicians for the practitioners in order for them to have some tips about what they need to do. Like prognosis, like direct recommendation and so on. In this patient summary, we are combining AI with the blockchain timeline. So we get this timeline from FIRE. We change this on a graph, on a network graph. And with this network graph, we are using deep learning in order to learn how to handle this patient in a very better way. And with these graphs, with AI, we can use the timeline, the FIRE timeline as a graph. And we are using the exposure notification API for the contact tracing too. And we are rethinking healthcare. Things like telemedicine, rapid tests, health data analytics, new approach of hostels. All of this should be handled by our new solutions in the future. And we need to address all of this in our company. We are using these techniques in order to rethink healthcare. And one of the biggest concepts that we are using is the e-patient. The patient as the CEO of his own health in order that the patient could have all this information, all the steps, all the stuff. And he can connect the dots and he can use the doctor as a manager for his health, like somebody that can help him to do some decisions of his own life. And we are using some things like preventive medicine, like health risk analysis through AI, enhanced timeline data with wearables, IoT and so on. We have some POCs here in Brazil using the information from the thermal screening to enhance our decisions on subways and places with a lot of people and how we can connect the dots with this information, with the timeline from the patient. And we are hoping to get with all of this with longevity escape velocity. Maybe we're doing health maintenance using prognosis, prevention, health manager and so on. We can reach the longevity escape velocity and maybe live for a thousand years and so on. And summary, we are using artificial intelligence, IoT wearables, biotech and genomics are on our plans to be integrated with the scenario using blockchain as our main structure to plug in all these technologies in our structure. Thank you for your time. I'm here for the questions and so on. If you need some information, please contact me. I'm here for help and I mean to be an agent to help people to be better, to live better, to live longer and so on. Thank you very much. I'm handed to you, Rich, the screen. Excellent. Well, great job and thank you so much for that. Very interesting stuff. Let's open it up for questions. Just had one question. You talked about, I mean, first of all, an excellent presentation and this was really informative and really good. Thank you. Just one quick question I have is, you mentioned you've been running this blockchain for two years or I didn't get that. We have two years of timeline for the patients stored on the blockchain. So our project is not this long, but we have get those information from our legacy and we got that on the blockchain. And how long you've been launched? We are in production for about five months. And you said you are running on fabric? Yep. We are using fabric 1.4 and we are planning to go on 2.0. Excellent. Jonathan, go ahead. Did you run into any issues migrating between different versions of fire? So for semantic interoperability between the models or the code sets? Yeah, we are using fire R4 and our profile are published on the site. I can send it to everybody here. And we are using some profiles from the R4 and they are adapted here to Brazil in some stuff. And we have some consistent and some valid sets like we are using Loink. We are using some other international stuff in order to have this consistent and this valid sets set. But I can send the whole information here that you can query on the site and all the profile is published there. I'm going to pick it and post it on the chat here. There are no issues as far as migrating. You never actually use version 3. It had to migrate to version 4 where I had to reconcile the Loink terms because there are multiple different ways you actually represent each term within fire. And so it depends on your code set. So some of the challenges are actually as to reconcile to a common identifier for those terms within Loink or SnowMed CT. So there is a crosswalking between the different terminologies. Yes, we have some issues here, Jonathan, in Brazil with this stuff. As you know, we don't have a lot of time using these profiles at the moment, but as we are on an environment that is controlled by the government, they can enforce the use and the patterns to all the hostels and laboratories and so on using their patterns. That must be nice. Yes, much more easier to handle. You just publish a law and then everybody needs to use as that. It must be that easy. Yeah, that's a great question, Jonathan, and boy here in the US it does not work that way. I know that there has some issues in order to have this done on other countries. There is some cultural differentiation between Brazil and some other countries, but we are trying to handle all the questions that came from the laboratories and from the hostels and so on. But there is some things that are easy here in Brazil like this. Excellent. So I see a hand up from Elena Dumatrescu, but I don't think it was Elena, but go ahead. Yeah, sorry, it's Dan on behalf of Elena. Actually, Elena is the CTO, so the question that I had for you was, is this app owned and operated by the Brazilian government or is this an app that can be taken somewhere else as well? Let me answer you with two ways. There is an app that is for the government, but we have a solution in our startup, in our health tech that is similar to the solution from the government and can be used in other countries, in other hostels and so on. It is called Iazis.tech and is in this health tech that we are using AI stuff and so on in order to get these things done. There are some bureaucracies here in Brazil that it helps in one way and it gets difficult in other ways. Like artificial intelligence is very difficult to address in the government at the moment. They have a lot of worries about the use of artificial intelligence, but we can use this in our private solutions and so on. But the government has its particular app for the entire population and these things talk with each other. That's really good. Rich, do you think that you'd be able to connect us after the meeting? I would love to know a little bit more about this as we've got a few other Latin American countries that might show some interest in something like this that we could help you push towards. Yeah, absolutely. Probably the easiest thing to do would be to contact me through my email, which you should have gotten through the invitation to this. The other option is you can just put something out on chat and I'll pick it up on chat. And we can make the connections that way as well. LinkedIn is always a great way to go to so a couple different options, but absolutely good point. Thanks a lot guys, appreciate it. So I'm going to, I'll hand over a question to Alicia, but before we get there, just sort of a follow on question to that. Is any of this open source easy, you know, available for us to sort of pick up and work with or is this all, you know, really through your startup? There is some parts that are open source, the coronavirus app. There is a first version that is published as open source for the community. And I think the people from the development bank and the international development in Brazil, it's called a bid. They have the connections between the countries and we send this part as open source, but there are some things that are at the moment not open source yet, as we are on funding stuff. But we are planning to open source the blockchain stuff and the private part will be the connections with graphs and artificial intelligence and so on. But at the moment, this part is not open source yet, as we have some NDAs to use and so on, but it's planning to be open source in the future. Good question. And so maybe we can get the odd genes, we can get links to that and I'd be happy to publish those up here. I'm guessing these are maybe out on GitHub or equivalent. Yeah, sure. Yeah, I'm gonna, I'm gonna get it and send it to all of you. Okay. That'd be great. Yeah, and then I could I could also post it up on the wiki just for for maintenance there too. Alicia, go ahead. This was just a quick question. You mentioned that most of the records are paper records, as well as what percentage of the population have access to funds, smart funds. And are you actually concentrating on the big cities and the people that are have the capability of having funds and electronic records and all of that, which probably are big cities. Okay. Alicia, here in Brazil, we have around 75% of population that have smart funds. And around the around 90, 90, 95, 96% of population that could reach the access of Internet with this smart funds. And so we are talking about maybe 50 million people that don't have a smart phone. There's a big number for for us here in Brazil. But for this, we have some, some, something like the telescope approach that are handling to to call some somebody that are on next to this people and they can handle handle the phone to have the the answers and so on. But here in Brazil, we have a lot of health facilities to is a more than 150,000 health facilities that the first attention reach all over the country. And if somebody don't have a smartphone, he can go to to do the first attention facility and have those those those answers to but the strategy at the moment goes on smart funds for the the biggest part of the population. So so and another kind of maybe a follow on question that you had mentioned that that you're integrating or the plan is to integrate for contract tracing so is that has that happened is that due to happen what's what's the timeline for that. The first part of presentation is already happening. They are on production at the moment. So all of this week, the coronavirus app, you can download from the store. It's on English, Spanish and Portuguese and can go on there and see all the stuff and the other solutions are on production to in order that COVID-19 does not does not wait. And we need to handle all of this in a very fast way. We have to do some solutions in one or two weeks for the the the criticality of the moment. And we are on a on a way on on on getting the maintenance done and on evolving all the solutions. Excellent. Good. Thank you. Indra. Oh, hi. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Yes. Okay, thank you. That was a good presentation. My question is, does your strategy include immunization as a man becomes available. I know the optimistic timeline for this 12 to 18 months away. So when somebody gets immunized vaccination, so that at least to have a record of who got the vaccine. So, you know, to get it back to work to get it back to work, or even otherwise to kind of, you know, control and monitor the population in terms of immunization. Indra, sure. We at the moment already have those immunization parts on our app for the patients. So all the immunization that they have is on the air if he had or not. So if we need in the future to have this monetization for COVID track it on the app, you would be prepared at the moment. Yeah, that's a great question. I know there's a lot of work that's going on here in the US, looking to understand sort of best practices for for sort of validating immunization and clearance. And so, yeah, they're there. That seems to be sort of a very popular topic. Any other questions? Well, excellent. Thank you. He's a very, very, very good presentation and really great to hear that Brazil is doing a really good job. Sounds like you guys are very prepared. And I really wish you the best. I, you know, as you sort of progress through the process. And as you're continuing to ramp with the COVID virus, at least, you know, some of that infrastructure appears to be in place. And so we got our fingers crossed for you. And again, thank you so much. Thanks a lot. So in the remaining minutes, what I'd like to do is just sort of walk through what we more typically tend to do is understand a little bit about the resources that are out there for the sake of the virus and for anyone that is still actively sort of engaged in developing for the COVID virus. A couple of things. So up on the screen, you'll see that we have quite a number of resources that are out there. And I included a couple of sort of highlighted health care related bits of information that relate directly to some of the work that's happening. This is just a highlight that I had a colleague pass over. One of the things that I really wanted to sort of direct your attention to, which is fairly new. The Robert Wood Johnson Foundation put together two opportunities and these are funding opportunities for really, it's sort of a big picture it's not necessarily focused specifically on the virus but you can sort of infer from that. Both came online. And I can tell you from personal experience. This is a great organization to work with. And so these two opportunities have just come forward. And you could sort of, again, like I said, guess that this is related to the COVID virus, but it's a bit broader in sort of its approach as well and these I think that these are all fairly limited to the US. There may be some exceptions to that. And there may be a teaming opportunities that could be transnational so it may be an opportunity there as well I keep sort of a general maintenance of some of the larger funding opportunities here. Feel free to do a parse on those in your free time. The intent there really is to drive some collaboration within this organization within this particularly so if you do see something of interest. So I think for resources, make use of the healthcare SIG is an opportunity to connect. And again, we have that great membership directory to work with as well as you know, we can use our email listserv to connect with about 1000 members globally to work that issue as well. So any other questions or thoughts as we sort of wrap up for the week. So our next meeting will be again in two weeks. That's May 29 same time, which is seven o'clock Pacific time. Again, thanks everyone for your support. Really absolutely appreciated. This has been certainly an interesting time. It's great to have your involvement in helping to drive solutions as they relate to the COVID-19 virus and helping to sort of helping us collectively to understand how this pandemic impacts other members of the various communities around the world, certainly the different countries that are involved. And again, thank you so much for your participation. Excellent. We will see you in two weeks. Take care. Have a good weekend and please be safe. Thank you, Rich. Thank you. Have a good weekend. You too. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.