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The only way people will stop carrying knives and guns is if you get caught with them It's a life sentence. That's the only way that those that is ever gonna stop If you get caught with a knife or gun life sentence Period you got to have steeper consequences. That's the only way it's gonna stop Just know there's no other way that is serrated that Is that a machete? Yeah, that's a machete. This is a nasty piece of work Not to try and be strong like every single day. It does kill you what channels is my bad I gotta say the channel man. This is from Joe. It's three years ago 2020 Salute, I'm you hit that like button continue It's hard Wow My god Look at that. I feel properly disturbed by this I'm a convicted of GBH and the possessing of the fence of weapons when you have it you feel like Invisible I'm Rosena Alan Khan doctor mother and member of Parliament for two team I've been meeting people directly affected by Britain's continuing knife crime crisis This is tooting South London my constituency my home In June 2019 a local young man 18 year old Cheyenne Evans was stabbed to death I'm here at his memorial to grieve another young life lost and to try and understand how this kind of violence keeps on happening in Britain Cheyenne's cousin spoke to me after the service Called me and went oh have you heard the news and I was like what news and She just was silent and I just knew then that something really bad had happened They opened the tent and you couldn't see him but you could just feel the blood And there was so much blood and my cousins were convinced that it wasn't blood They're like oh, that's too much blood that can't be it has to be he's like a red jumper And I'm trying to say to them like no like that is that's him I expected that I was going to lose someone in my family I've lost so many like we've lost friends and so many of my cousins have been stabbed and so on That's what really broke my heart that I realized then it was a shock but also it was kind of like well How could I have expected better? I see this on the news every day Why did I think I would be so blessed that this wouldn't happen to my family? So how many people do you know you personally know of in your wider circle your family your friends who have been stabbed I couldn't count it would take I'd have to sit and think about it There's no way of knowing how many people are out on the streets with knives But one man in Laytonstone is taking action in his community to try everybody in the hood Everybody with the mindset. I'd rather be I'd rather have it on me than not have it on me I'd rather be able to defend myself than not defend myself And all the gangsters That's how many Try and disrupt the wave of deadly violence by taking the knives away from the streets I'm in east London today to meet Courtney Barrett He has set up bending knives saves lives Which is an incredible knife amnesty where people can come and drop off anything that they believe could be used as a deadly weapon He's kindly agreed to show me some of the knives God damn He's kindly agreed to show me some of the knives So these are all the knives we've got In guesser 30 Is that a gun knife? What was that? Four hours It's around 220 200 in guesser 34 hours It's 30 less than 34 hours It's around 220 230 something like that. This is quite clearly. It just says cheese on it Yep, I mean this one could do you a lot of damage, huh? It really could this one looks really old It's also got um homeworks on it, but that is serrated that You wouldn't want to get stabbed with that, would you? Is that a machete? Yep. That's a machete Can we not can we focus on the gun like what's going on with that? Um, this is a nasty piece of work No one in this country would have any needs for this. This is what you cut through the jungle from with This one here wasn't actually dropped into have been it's got a Velvet inside brogot every piece of jewelry ever made on All silver Holds value no diamonds was actually I was called and asked to come and collect it Um, because the lady couldn't make it to the bin So I went and collected it just beforehand When does this would have been on someone's wall? Yeah, I think it's a decorative thing But yeah, these are the kind of things we're trying to tell people you don't need them in your house because these are the things People get in an argument and come and grab them the kids might be scared because they've been picked on by a gang or wherever You know, you don't know I think so often people think that that large knives do more damage, but that's not the case is it? Well, to be honest with you are My point of view is that the smaller the knife the more prone The the person who's doing the stabbing is to stab repeatedly Um, so smaller blades can be more dangerous. That makes sense because they they're used more I've heard that a large proportion of knives used. They're actually kitchen knives Yeah, um around about 70 of knives using knife crime are kitchen knives People are clueless Until we've told them effects of figures and a lot of people just think knife crimes just to do with gangs and on estates and Doesn't concern them. No, no knife crime can hit anywhere Angry girlfriend catches you cheating Uh Or vice versa Man walks in on his girl cheating with another man boom knife And those both kitchen knife instances right there You know, it's that kid getting bullied at it outside of his house like anywhere You know, but we've showed them it does concern you can happen to anyone any place anytime, you know Anyone could be affected And anyone could be carrying a knife. You don't know So for all those knives, what are you going to do with them? Um, basically we're going to make a statue with them. Um, we've got um black horse metal work to have agreed to make Melt the knives down And we're going to commission a youth group to make a statue with them. Wow The statue will be dedicated to everyone that's been murdered by a knife in london in 2019 Um, I've got anybody know of this statue if it's any if it's made yet Say there's a hundred and forty deaths this year. Yeah, it's the hunger his jewelry might be melted down knives That'd be dope Do the 40 love hearts making one big love heart. Yeah, I'm going to print with all the dates and names, etc Yeah The majority of the weapons corny has collected are regular kitchen knives that you'd find in any home But there is a darker world of knives out there Knives that aren't meant for cooking And they're incredibly easy to buy Several kinds of knives are illegal to sell in the uk Knives like butterfly knives, flip knives, even knives disguised as other objects all legal in america Oh, they're illegal to sell how hard are they to actually get hold of I decided to try and find out and went to a well known online retailer and with a few clicks of a button I was able to get some from china This one's got a transformer face on it this knife It's very clever. This is disguised as a bracelet For all your transformer fans. It's got the face of a transformer on it And the blade Is inside there Look at that I don't think that's big enough to hit that, no At least not on me at least because I'm bigger, dude Maybe a skinny skinny person, but like a bigger person that ain't gonna do nothing Maybe if you get him under the armpit Allegedly because it's like You know Skinny down there over there could put it on your wrist Clip it or if you flick it open Very quickly and use it to do some serious damage. It looks like it's at least An inch and a half long a lot of thought has gone into the engineering the fact that with one hand You can you can release the blade And hold it and repeatedly Knife someone it's uh, it's frightening Gotta wrap him up. Well You know it's crazy like as a kid like I used to want a butterfly knife so bad But they're like those things are super dangerous if you don't know how to use them You know the danger to you and others around you if you're trying to you know show off But like you could buy them at a young age in America You don't need to be 18 or nothing Maybe but I know where I was you could get one This is a butterfly knife My god This makes me really angry It makes me really angry knowing that our kids can be out there Buying this and we think they're safe This is this is a tip of the iceberg fin package This is a credit card knife. I'm not gonna lie. I feel a bit sick right about now because I've just taken out a knife that looks like a yeah, I never see that could be in someone's wallet On any night out It is a wow madness This looks like it could be your common garden Family knife Wow Seen those before You can see it's really serrated and they're groups of three teeth These can be bought and be available on our streets. Damn. How many do you buy? It's I'm just I'm actually quite speechless. I'm not often speechless but Words words fail me at the moment These knives are all designed with one purpose to kill And as we know from the end In germane I wouldn't say that I wouldn't say that these are designed to kill The only knife that I've seen that would would be designed to kill for sure Is that flick one where she pressed the button and it came out That's that's the only one that I've seen that's for sure But the other ones you could you know They could they're designed definitely for something else This headlines so many of those killed hill And as we know from the endless headlines so many of those killed by knives are teenagers kids As a mother As a human being the idea of a knife being turned against the child makes me sick I need to understand what losing a child to violence feels like and what it does to a family I'm on the way to lester to meet Amy Morgan She's a mum who so sadly lost her son tyler in 2015 after he was stabbed in the chest Got rid of the story pain into power and has become a tireless campaigner against knife crime Amy has joined other bereaved mothers in protests taking action to try and stop more young people You too that is pain in their lives to knife crime We met at the spot. We're tired. Yeah, I remember this story He was on his bike and and they got chased on another bike. I remember this was killed You know what? up and down there that night and then I guess in a way, I suppose your Your brain and your emotions are just trying to process everything and I guess coming here Kind of as part of that process. I guess I think that's why I just lost moments. Yeah And then we had his plack done in memory. Yeah See love in memory Tyler Thompson your beautiful soul and your vibrant smile Taken to see I think this was the bike one gone, but not forgotten rest in peace Tyler 10th of April 1999 to 24th of the 11th 2015 People forget people don't care people move on He would have been 20-fold this year People don't you know, they don't want to remember it all the time, but it's always it's so much special Amy invited me into her family home. She told me about what happened the day her son died Tyler was stabbed twice in the arm and fatally in the chest The doctor at the hospital said that where he'd been stabbed at the bottom of his heart And that's why I couldn't do anything and then I later found out he'd like a survival He Drowned in his own blood or cardiac arrest, but it would have been really quick But just like I think I think to myself like You know, maybe this wasn't the bike case What were his last thoughts? Did he know? You know, did he think did he you know, do you want me there? Guaranteed his last thoughts was mom Where's my mom guarantee because I when I was in a situation Where I thought I might lose my life. That was my life. That was my thought So I guaranteed not to make you feel any worse or make anybody feel bad, but I can almost guarantee that You know, who does it traumatize you like that? Especially if it's like a one parent home You're definitely The last thought that way And what about the person that did it like who'd already got caught carrying an knife Like about 14 months before we killed Tyler um And apparently had a caution and went on an half awareness course On that evening there was like a confrontation And Tyler and this individual had a fight And the fight had finished and Tyler got on his bike This was the bike one And then he went up to him stabbed him He got So bro couldn't take his ill I think that's a different bike one. So bro couldn't take his ill And the fight and the instance Um sentence to 11 years He got a year off for being on the man He got a year off for not putting this through a trial Nine you'll serve half of that All right, yeah, I got in four years to turn me to try and Getting to look at the sentence again Four and a half years Tyler was responsible for his own death because Basically, they'd had a fight before the incident Which That's what? Still they had a fight like men And then it was supposed to be done. What do you mean? It was responsible for his If a woman are kicking her teeth, how can you be responsible for your own death? You know, you weren't the one that was carrying the knife. That's messed up You know, it's like all these 16 years of life meant nothing to the justice system His lawyer probably felt manslaughter or something Because we don't get any easier at all You have to try and be strong like every single day You know, you just break it inside. It does kill you. Hey, he was a minor So I'm pretty sure the guy who did it was a minor too. So This is the one that was eight weeks old at the time So he'll never get to know him, you know, that hurts Though Tyler may no longer be with us His memory is more than alive and the pain of his death more than real Before I left, Amy showed me Tyler's memorial video That's messed up It's hard isn't it? It's beautiful, young man. I'm so sorry He was doing skits and everything You need to do something because it's just We love this isn't it? Yeah What could drive someone to carry a knife let alone turn it against someone? I'm at Carnage community a boxing club that helps give at-risk young people direction and mentoring I'm meeting two young men who can't be identified. You've both carried knives I want to understand why they did it and what the consequences were for doing so Can you tell me a little bit about your time in the criminal justice system? I got convicted for stabbing someone else. I got convicted of GBH and the presumption of defense of weapons A lot of people around me were carrying knives I even got into fights and arguments with my own friends and my own friends called Inazem And I don't know what happened to me, but at one point it's like pride pride to me And it's like a lot of other people became more important with anything else No one wants to lose And what what made you feel first of all that you needed? When I was in Chicago, I'm gonna be 100 with y'all when I was when I When I lived in Chicago the reason I started carrying pipes was because other people was It's because I had had this X amount of guns pulled on me and I was like, you know what next time somebody do that is up You know I'm saying so my environment certainly to that You know what I'm saying? Your environment Is directly tied to how you gonna move Now sure I could have been like nah, and I ain't gonna move with no pipe I'm not gonna move like that. I ain't gotta do that But me I had had like by the time I had got my first one I had had Maybe two three pulled on me point blank range and I was like, you know what? I'm not gonna be playing goofy out here Because I put but one thing about it was I could fight so everybody had to do that And so everybody was pulling doing that to me. So I was like, all right, but That's the table. That's the games we doing Do I condone it? No, but you know what I'm saying? Some of these areas that one of us being like it just be that For one town, there's people that if I said wrong from junction, you never know what's gonna happen Knowing that however many other people carry matters I thought like I need you know to protect myself. What kept some things happening or getting to fight and people are pulling out weapons Yeah, have you been stabbed? Yeah Funny enough it was by someone I know What happened to be your own people Made me a bit more wary and I did actually start carrying a nice one Also, I got permanently screwed for bringing In an afterschool I was being approached by other like groups of young people and then When I told the school they didn't Do anything about it. I wouldn't do anything with it, but I just thought like it might scare them So and then they would leave me alone when you have it you feel like In a way invincible like nothing can happen against you Yeah, but see my mindset when I had you know, I'm saying that wasn't the mindset that I had I didn't feel invincible. I just felt Like the I was on an even playing field now Because I knew like they didn't stop making pipes when they made mine So I knew we was on an even playing field now y'all couldn't fight y'all couldn't out fight me So y'all had to go, you know, I'm saying but now what? And but then at that point, you know, it's like You got to walk around you got to walk around on goal all the time Like these like these like these You know what I'm saying? I was playing defense when I had mine and keeping mine mine was legal YouTube It just gave me a sense of power in the way Do you think you'd ever carry enough? I didn't feel like it gave me a sense of power. I feel like you know what I'm saying It it took a lot from me. You know what I'm saying? It took When things moved into the gun situation in Chicago, it took peace away from me. You know what I'm saying? It took a lot from me It didn't give me no power to hold a pipe. It took peace from me. It took peace of mind away from me That's what it did I haven't seen son of death hold again In London city hall has come under fire for not doing enough to tackle the capital's growing knife crime problem Sophie linden is deputy mayor for policing and crime I challenged her to explain what was going on There's lots of complex reasons for it's happening But one of the really big issues for me is the nine years of cuts to the services that help the other people and families Sort of glued to society that keeps people together Youth clubs have been shut down schools have had millions of pounds taken out of them So anybody that needs any little bit of help finds it incredibly difficult to find it and to get it And the youth club's shutting down and those programs means that there's not things for young people to do And then of course we've also had an increase in drug dealing and there is a real link between drugs and violence So it's really complex. So there are people that are critical of the mayor of london saying he's not done enough It's not just in london that violence is going on Rising in the home office research and you can see that it's across the country that we've got violence rising And it started in 2014 Which is long before the mayor became you know got it became mayor of london He's put millions of extra money into the police to really get on top and suppress the violence And he's putting 45 millions into the young londonist fund What what can be done to really tackle the issue putting extra money into the police so that it can catch those that are perpetrating the violence This is the part of the the documentaries I always hate because this Like you don't even know what you're talking about I ain't doing nothing But really really importantly we're putting more extra money into community organizations That'll do it Intervoluntary organizations youth clubs so they can work with young people By the end of 2019 hundreds of people will have lost their lives to a knife in britain Together in 2020 we can put an end to it, but it's not going to be down to the government and police alone communities activists Timbs family Friends and ordinary people need to stand together to say no more for every tyler I mean r.i.p. Tyler r.i.p. Everybody who's lost their life to a knife or any any way but That ain't gonna be enough either for every shayon For every life need is the lost to a knife That sounds amazing, but Tlo leave a like comment subscribe turn on your post. I'm going I say what I said man. Enjoy y'all friday