 So welcome to episode two of the web show people we're back we survived one week now We're surviving week two Thank you so much for joining us amazing response from people for episode one lots of comments like subscribes We'd like more though. However, we're greedy when it comes to like subscribes and comments So please do hit the bell hit the subscribe tell other people We really want to make this program for you guys to take you on this journey with us all be part of it So please share it so we can bring a lot of people along for the ride Episode one was pretty epic with part one of Sam's interview. What have we done for episode two? Pretty pretty epic as well to be honest. We're bringing it Not only do we have part two of Sam Sam J. Jones flash Gordon's interview We have an interview with none other than Joey Kramer who from flight of the navigator Now this film continues to be one of those films that is has a place in everybody's heart They often think back is coming up to 35 years 35 years next year. So it's but it's still a film that when you mention it people have such a fondness and Our next documentary is all about flight of the navigator So we have Joe coming on board to chat to us today Keep watching till the end of the show because we will announce the winner of the competition But don't fast-forward Stay with us and then you can be kind rewind at the end But let's get into the show with the fabulous interview with Joe When you're just growing up every day is a new discovery But nothing David Freeman has ever experienced will prepare him for the adventure that lies ahead Sit down. I think there's been some sort of mistake. Your brain contains data necessary to get me and my friend I'm just a kid. You are the navigator Our favorite Canadian joins us today, possibly our favorite person Live from Canada Joe Kramer. How are you doing? Well, I am doing wonderfully actually I've I mean despite all the craziness in the world and everything that's going on and being kind of locked down and isolated and I've really been thriving on The first couple weeks was a little bit strange. I kind of but now I'm in a real groove and I've just been Soaking up this this Self, you know, well being being just with myself So I've been doing a lot of reading a lot of studying we're doing home workouts online acting classes Just a lot of really good stuff and and and it's been It's actually been a huge lesson and practice for me because I haven't always been the greatest with self discipline so this has been like setting goals for myself and And then following through with them has been really has been great, but overall I'm I'm doing wonderfully. Thank you Excellent. Well, we've obviously been following you for nearly three years now With I was gonna say with a camera not like a stalker, but that seems just like following in alleyways just spying on you But yeah as part of our documentary and I wanted to ask you how it's felt just being documented well, I I mean so being Documented or being being part of a documentary. That's all about me and my life after Being a child actor and life after the navigator it It was a little bit scary at first and things, but it's been very eye-opening. It's been very like cathartic, it's been very encouraging inspiring overall. It's been one of the greatest experiences of my Life and especially my my recent life after going through all the troubles and everything that I've been through to have this opportunity to do something positive and to share my story and stuff as as Challenging the topics and and as hard as some of the stuff has been it's been Really really wonderful, and I could probably do it for another three years We might be depending on where we can finish. No, I'm kidding So so tell me when we reached out to you you were still inside What what was the first thought that went through your head when we suggested a documentary were you Hesitant did you have to think about it or did you straight away see it as this opportunity where maybe people can be inspired by your story? so when you first reached out to me I was I was really pretty much excited right away and I Think a lot of that was because of I'd already been doing a lot of self work and meditation and and affirmations and kind of unlearning these old core beliefs and and and and Instilling new ways of thinking about myself and about the things that I've done and the things that I've been through and and Thinking about the the things that I put other people through and so and understanding that it's not who I am it's it's not who I am as a person, but it's just things I've done and and And so when you approached me and then it was like hey, let's let's maybe do this this project and this documentary I It it felt like the perfect opportunity to share some of these Lessons that I've learned about myself and also just share that for anyone out there who's been through anything whether it's You know the depths that I went to and addiction and things like that or just daily stresses and Not feeling like they want to get up in the morning by by sharing my story and challenges and and and hopefully inspiration that no matter how dark things get there's always light when we have The will and and the drive or faith to see it and then and then reach for it So I think this documentary was an amazing opportunity and I really It felt like the perfect time It felt like the universe just collided and came together and and brought us together And to create this wonderful thing So I'm so I'm just over the over the moon The funny story which you may not know actually is we were driving back from somewhere and Lisa was in the car And she was like I love that film so much. I'm gonna find out where Joey is I don't know what happened to him when if I and she just literally went down this kind of rabbit hole of like trying to find you She's like I'm gonna find him I'm gonna tell his story and then once she started that was it there's no stopping her because I read the Wikipedia page And as we know You can't always believe a what you read, but also there's always a reason behind actions So that was it as soon as I read the Wikipedia and Read what happened and it was very recent too after everything had had gone down I won't say too much so people can watch the documentary and find out no spoilers But it was and you know, it was one of those things where you just go what what happened So I'm really pleased and I still have what I loved about how we connected Was that we started writing snail mail letters, which no one does anymore and I still have them in a folder Which that was a very that was a very lovely time I I don't know while you were going through all your troubles If you were still aware that people absolutely loved fly to the navigator as much as they do There's a very very strong fan base I want to talk about when you went to comic con and perhaps that was one of the first times you were interacting with fans and came to realize that there were still fans out there for you So connecting thanks to you connecting with the alamo city comic con I I almost don't have words because over the years I had run into people who Remembered that movie and it always just lit up their face and and was and was so So amazing to see that after all these years people still loved the film and so When I went to the comic con having it it be my first one and not knowing what to expect and It was it was amazing. I met people from You know all over the country. There was a Lovely woman who flew up from Kansas City. There were some guys who came from Chicago. There was a guy who came flew out from la And and really they were like I've been waiting You know 30 years for you to come to one of these to to tell you what what an impact Flight of the Navigator had on my childhood and and now all my life is an adult even or people showing it to their kids Spanning generations all that stuff. I it's just such such a gift I mean as far as being a a child actor or an actor of any sorts to be able to do Even one film that people love so much is It's priceless. That's that's worth that's worth it all So june 10. It's worth mentioning that there's something very exciting happening joe. Can you tell us what that is? That's right june 10th at 7 30 pacific standard time I've been invited to a scripts gone wild session That's scripts gone wild calm, you know all one word and basically we're going to be reading the original script of Flight of the Navigator It's charity fundraiser and I'll be reading the voice. He wasn't actually named max at that time. So It's going to be really interesting. There's a quite a different storyline Different scenes things like that. So if it would be It'll be fun. There are a lot of fun these scripts gone wild things It's a buddy of ours. Dave Lawson's kind of behind it with a bunch of his guys and they are we did a flash gordon one And it's it gets pretty rowdy But very wild because they people tend to sort of have a drink every other thing And I know you'll be uh, you'll have a nominated drinker in this one. You say do your best max impression Well, you know, I was kind of trying to decide because it's actually a different kind of script So it it almost doesn't I was thinking about doing Like imitating the peewee herman voice, right? I was like, whoa, I can't believe this is happening Someday I got stuff out of your brain that has nothing to do with navigating the ship Right But it's it's slightly different. So I'm like, oh, maybe I you know I've been trying to I mean, I'll probably end up going that way because like Because it's familiar and it's easy. I don't know it's easy to do But I was like, oh if I could do a slightly different voice, but it's it's actually a wholly different script. So I don't even know if that kind of Voice would fit with the storyline of the movie. It's really interesting We'll put the notes down below in these show notes and uh, yeah, it's a charity fundraiser. So check it out It's going to be a lot of fun. What is one of your favorite moments from the film, would you say? Always lovely to talk to joe one of my favorite people obviously in one of my favorite films very excited about the documentary Um, just wanted to add in a couple of things from that interview We will talk about comic cons wanted to just do a massive thank you to Apple and amanda at alamo city for giving joe the first opportunity to go to a comic con He had an absolutely amazing time and to all our favorite san antonio crew Chuck gave matt laurel Thank you so much for just being so amazing every time we go and visit Yeah, you've always looked after us so well and we really really appreciate you And also to remind everyone that the 4k blue ray remastered a flight of the navigator box set by second site films is out now I will put a link below in the show notes where you can buy that. It's fabulous And you may remember last week we spoke to the legendary sam j jones and we ended on a bit of a cliffhanger But we're going to now come back for part two of that interview with flash gordon. Are there any kind of Key props or things from it that you kind of wish and just think oh man. I wish I'd have held on to that Well that lovely T-shirt at least is wearing you know, that's this is an original from the film before you are This is not original, but it's really it's really cool. You know, it's amazing. I'm what my wife says I'm a little slow at times, but I just I just now recognize this But yes to answer your question. I've got the the only um original flash shirt We had nothing of eight or ten made but they were all destroyed During the fight in the action scenes and I have the only original Flash shirt and I think that's brilliant to have your name on there lisa I saw it online create your own flash and I thought I've got to meet one for her and got one sent When you see collections like we saw in in the documentary like bob and rolf's Prop collection. Does it seem weird to you that like on set to you? It was just maybe a sword or glove or something but then to these collectors as they there's such a connection with these items Well, I wish my mindset was You know what it is now it should have been back then. I mean I would have grabbed everything Yeah, but it's my first lead role. I I didn't I didn't want to Demand or step on toes and or steal anything, you know without asking Um, I think the t-shirt they actually gave me if I'm not mistaken Um, but yes, I mean now. Yeah, you definitely want to you want to hang on to these items I mean it's just you know, I I refer to flashboard as you know as as a visual masterpiece And the sets yes, but also what really Um signifies that or the costumes. Do you have any props from any other films or tv shows that you have done? Well, that's a good question. Well, you know, I've got the rocket cycle I had the the full-size replica that set McFarlane Made for Ted And he gave and he gave that to me You know a lot of people that don't really understand the the dimensions or the size That that rocket cycle Is 12 feet long 8 feet wide and 8 feet high. So it's enormous Anyway, he gave that to me and we used it again in Ted too And then I think I used it once or twice and then I was storing it at a warehouse and guess what? He disappeared Oh heartbreaking So I've you know, I've got the investigators out looking for it, but I mean it's Bob will find it before you do Bob will find it. Yeah, somebody will offer it to him probably at some point But but also I was given another rocket cycle as a gift When I did the the big Super Bowl Walmart commercial and and the Walmart people credible people they designed another rocket cycle Just a little bit smaller. I think it was 10 feet long 7 feet wide and 6 feet high And yeah, I have that I have that and we used that of a couple that I think in Richmond, Virginia A couple of the comic cons and the fans love they love to get on get in it get the pictures and all that But that one we have and a promoter is holding on that Holding on to that for me I don't have room for it here because our garage is our is our gym. So the rocket cycle Oh, I wish I had kept everything. Well, I think I've got some Some western gear from a couple westerns. I did of that nature, but yeah, but let me tell you I hold on to everything now. These are the socks I wore Accelerator, okay Accelerator has just been released. Yeah. Yeah, we were lucky enough to see it in Boston. Yeah, that was fun That was a fun night. So if I first tell us about accelerator have a small army at your disposal Will you use it to get me that thing? It's going to be Christmas morning. I'm always up for a little fun Oh, it was great. It was wonderful working with David and John James and everybody I just enjoyed there's a big difference between A big studio film and an independent film And and the difference for me is a lot more fun number one Independent and a lot more freedom And David the writer producer director gave us a lot a lot of freedom a lot of fun and and I got to play A hit man It's it's not a good person going around hired to take out people Okay, it's not a good thing, but I have so much fun You did it well and you did it with us. You did it with a smile as well a maniacal smile that smile We thought it was a super fun film and it is out now. I'll put details below of where you can see it Streaming, but I know it was really fun. And like you say, John James is in it. Sean Young Is also in it a few more famous faces in the film Well, it was so lovely to talk to you sam Really appreciate you taking the time to chat to us And we look forward to the next time we can be sitting around having a lovely dinner Like we did when you came to Liverpool, which was wonderful. That's right or in in dexas where we have those incredible Ribs, I know I still I still dream of those ribs in the peach cobbler at rudies rudies barbeque I'm a vegetarian and those ribs were delicious. I know No, well, thank you really appreciate it and stay safe and Big love to the family and don't do anything with that Face guys take care sam The fabulous sam j jones everybody. What a great man Lovely guy. What a great man one thing I'd like to also mention Last week we mentioned studio canals 4k release announcement of flash gordon that massive box set arrow films have announced the u.s north america release so details will be below In the show notes the release is slightly different from the uk one So if all those fans want to buy two copies Very good reason to and if you do a side-by-side comparison, you can see what you get in both Now last week we met up with the third part of our little outfit bob and he talked to us about props He is an avid prop collector a very knowledgeable Prop maestro and we are going to be joining him in what has been called the b-cave where he is going to show us A very special prop so over to bob in the b-cave Hey lisa. Hey ash, how's it going? So uh like last week we teased what uh This week's prop would be and again just to recap This was a piece that I had gotten just after we had finished making life after flash so in order to One show off cool stuff and two kind of complete The arc of my flash gordon props that I have here Today i'm going to show you This Yeah, that's right. So That's uh melody anderson a.k.a. dale ardent's Slave girl headdress that she wore for a good section of the movie It's in a lot of different scenes. She wears this at the same time That sam jones wears his flash gordon tank top the one that i own not that one the other one the red and black one A lot of getting these props There's some really interesting stories behind it as far as chasing things down and Down and going into abandoned warehouses and this prop was just a fellow prop collector New i was a big fan of flash gordon and he had it and he offered it up to me and So I paid some money for it When I got it. It was really Distorted from age. It's made out of some sort of leather Composite material and over the years which is common for a lot of these props You know because they're only designed to last a moment on screen and then You know throw in a way or put in a box or or whatever. So this headdress Like slowly started to shrink And turn into kind of like a claw Starfish which is really sad and of course I knew that when I purchased it. I got it here and It was kind of stressing me out because I knew it was just going to keep getting worse and worse and worse So I slowly over a couple days decided that I was going to try to get it back into shape essentially I Carefully hit it with a heat gun a couple times just on low to see if it would flatten out and uh Slowly massaging it because it's super fragile. Um Over days and days. I was able to get it to lay flat just like in the film Even during filming the studio lights were so hot That like all her trs would start to melt and warp This is a very interesting scene because This head piece they were all made of leather and some plaster they glued things on at the beginning of this movie You'll see how upright it is and you can watch As we get further along because the leather starts to slowly bend forward And you can actually see now. That's not me I mean you think it's me, but I didn't have those rolls then I have them now I didn't have them them I maybe should be but I'm not I'm not quite like a white glove guy when it comes to You know my movie props, you know, they were aggressively handled back in the day Because they're uh more of a tool so obviously I'm really careful with them But I thought it'd be cool Like we should just crack open the case and give you guys Engels a closer look at it And uh Show you some of the kind of like neat geeky details about it So let's do that now Look at how tilted that head bright piece is. I told you you can see when the timing of the movie. Oh, look at that That is me. That is not a stunt double. Look at how brave I am, but my head piece keeps melting over my head All right. Well there you have it Obviously the first thing that uh shows up here is just the insane amount of beadwork on this prop I don't know how many hours This would have taken based on the research. It seems like there was probably only one of these Maybe two I know what the flash gordon tank top there was only the one so i'm guessing anything with this amount of labor involved Was just the hero single prop Another really cool piece of this detail that you would never see in the film is This little bracket That actually attached to meldy anerson's head that has fake Dale arden hair wrapped all around it. I'm assuming they sewed that into her Existing hair with clips and stuff like that. It's actually pretty cool Also, if you're lucky enough to have um Access to these original props I always kind of make it a point to um You know try stuff on see if it fits uh I guess it you know one it's funny silly a ridiculousness uh and also uh, you know it gets you one step closer to being uh You know part of the film we're connecting with the film. So like here it goes. So I think it just goes on like this Wow, it's big. It's like uh And it's a little heavy. Yeah, so that's cool. Uh Yeah, so there you go, uh mean melody anderson We're in the same tiara Love it Really wish we could have seen that in person Gutted that the timing wasn't quite right But just means we'll have to do another trip back to seattle to go and see it now B cave is a weekly segment. I wonder what the hint for next week's show segment is going to be Bob tell us what can we possibly expect? So I think I have an idea for what we should do Uh for my talk next week. Uh, I run and buy you guys. Um But let's keep it a secret for now Another fabulous segment from bob in the b cave one of my favorite stings. I think that we've made B cave Speaking of props and flash gordon. There is a facebook page called the flash gordon movie archive Go and like it go and join their community go and comment on things It's a really great place where you can share props you have talk to other people about props they have Maybe if you're looking to buy one great place highly recommend it go and visit now the link will be in the show notes That is the coming to the end of our show But before we go We had a competition last week. We certainly did and we are going to draw the winner now We had lots of entries. So this was the prize. It is signed not only by Sam j jones classical himself, but this lady just because I could I had to open and I had a pen So signed flash dvd. You had to say From the segment in the b cave. What was the first prop bob got? What was it threw a couple of people off because he didn't mention bob afet, but he didn't buy it The prize point was too high. He got the flash gordon sword from someone in scotland I have the people in here shake it up. I'm gonna choose it This is live people. It's not quite live. It's as live. They call it in the business Right Martin mcneill You are our winner. Congratulations. Martin email info at lifeafterflash.com And we will get you this fabulous dvd Winging its way to you very soon So next week we'll be back because we're in lockdown. So we have more time to be making these shows That's all we do these days and make web shows next week. We'll have another fabulous segment from bob We'll have part two of joe's interview and I am going to show A little snippet of life after the navigator It's still editing. So this bit may or may not end up in the final version But I wanted to share something with everyone. So we'll see a little clip of that Until next week and another interview from someone that I haven't lined up. Yes, we don't know who it's going to be Yeah, but it's going to be fabulous. Thank you so so much everyone for joining us Like subscribe do all of that please share and remember if we get any more guests We're gonna need a we're gonna need a bigger show We didn't rehearse it