 the New York people that we think he has some but none of them we talked to they all said they'd do anything I want done but these others said they do what I want done too but they were some center. I would say that Hubert had 15 or his negatives. He's next to Bobby and negatives in the south but he's not really negative anywhere. Bobby has some for him but just all kinds of negatives. Just everyone. I would guess that of 15 men that we've asked to do things 12 of them has said they'd have to I'd have to share and he wasn't on the ticket. It just won't do it if he's on the ticket and what we've got to do is find out a nice way and you're a great function now aside from trying to pull us together and work together closely as close as he'll permit I'm not gonna I'm gonna have self-respect and I'm not gonna about too much but I'm gonna I'm gonna meet six percent of the way. I think that the main problem quickly is before somebody writes it up and writes it up unfairly now we ought to find out how to do it he said he wants to think that over I don't want to press him but I want you to find a way of how to allow it before they all go to talking fans since I'm an hour and a half late for this luncheon and they gonna wonder what the hell so I'm gonna have to but you're going to find a way today or tomorrow that that's agreeable that's agreeable to both of us on how to get this cat out of the bag if I were a dictator I would just say that he would indicate he'd be glad to be helpful in the campaign but that he they've been a lot of talk about ticket need given serious consideration to it but he he didn't choose to be a candidate I didn't say he wouldn't take it but he just didn't it didn't choose to and I said that's fine now if you don't he'll say well he said he wouldn't have him so that makes a fight I mean that leaves some wounds if I say I don't want him. Well I think he's got time to think that over and I think I think he doesn't have much time because the number of people he can talk to who keep their mouth shut is not large. How many knew he's gonna come in here today besides you too was anybody else present last night I guess a whole family. Yes he and I he took me in the corner to talk about it. The only people there were Gene Black and Jackie and Steve Smith and I say he didn't talk about this at the table at all. How did he know just instinct? Yeah yeah. Well I think I guess I think Bob told me I talked to him this morning because I wanted to get his saver of where we were going and he told me that the conversation had gone a shade further perhaps than he had made clear to you that you know that when he was high on his board that Bobby had said in effect. I don't think he's going to decide no and I think he's gonna want to. He'd probably be telling me so fairly soon or something like that anyway he it was instinct and I he said to me I'm going to see the president and I think this it must be what it's about and what is his thinking and I said you know you've got to find out what his thinking is from him but I didn't deny what it was about I didn't. And that's how he knew I'm sure it was or confirmed from his conversation with me. I say I'm much encouraged I think what actually happened Mr. President was that he looked hard at whether there was any other course that made any sense for anyone himself included and accept your decision and came out where I think we're going to be alright. I think it'd be very bad for me first very bad for his brother's memory and I think disastrous for him if he did something else. But he messed up the whole Kennedy image and the whole Kennedy picture to be trying to have a dynasty this quick and move right in and take over and I think it reflected on all of them. But what we got to do now is work it out and I'll talk to you later in the night.