 This is the most movement we've seen from him so far. When he's looking at the interviewer, he's making sure that his information is coming across clear, that the guy understands what he's talking about. And he's just relaying the information he's aware of. Then his hands go up and they hold that position. And this lets us know that that information is so important to him, he's so focused on that he forgets his hand is staying there. It sort of like sticks there in the air. That's not uncommon. That'll happen when someone's telling you something really important. They'll leave that hand up as they'll, they're telling you something else they may not illustrate. But they'll be telling you something else is that's happening because they're so focused on what they're talking about. Making sure you get the correct information or making sure they see what's happening. So I think that's important to keep in mind there. He's so focused on what he's doing, what he's talking about. He's really not aware of what the rest of his body's doing in a big way.