 Welcome to the Home Lab Show, episode 40, Turing Pi 2. This is an exciting episode because Jay acquired one of these Turing Pies. And if you're not familiar with them, well, this is the right episode. You're listening to the right thing because we're gonna dive into what it is, why you should want it, and if you didn't want it before the episode, I have a feeling you're gonna want it after. Yeah, there's a lot of people interested in this and rightfully so, I can't wait to talk about it. Yeah, so before we talk about it though, quick thank you to the sponsor show and that is Leno. They've been a sponsor for a while now and if you're listening to this, it was literally downloaded through Leno. This is where we host our infrastructure for the show. This is where we host quite a few things and many projects and many of the projects we've talked about on this channel can be set up on Leno. You know, in case you don't want everything running on your own servers. I know being a Home Lab show, someone might say, why would you have a cloud provider? I'm like, because not everything has to be in your house, as a matter of fact, it's better if some things are not, especially like if you need it a VPN or different tunneling or want an experiment with something that you need a lot of people to access and yeah, at your home, isn't always the best place for that. But if you are looking for a good place to host those things, Leno has an offer code down below to get you started and thank you Leno for sponsoring this show. We appreciate it. Yes, now let's dive into this Turing Pi because I'm excited because Raspberry Pis, I think are the perfect Home Lab single board computer idea to get started with because they're really accessible. You know, I mean, we can do clustering on them. We can start building and that's kind of what this is leading up to is so you can take groups of them and put a, four is the supported right number on this device, right? Yeah, so you can put four Raspberry Pi compute modules on here and this really leads into that learning path and or sometimes even product path to building something that has some levels of, you know, spread out computing across multiple nodes, the knowledge it takes to build something at that, maybe set something like Kubernetes or a lot of other projects that'll go on here. So that's kind of what the concept is here with the device, it's a motherboard essentially that lets you attach pies, but I'm not the expert on it and Jay's actually been using it. So I'm gonna let him take it from there. Yep, so quick disclaimer, I'm about halfway through the review process right now. I think the video will come out next week, most likely. As an aside, I haven't had any videos this week because I've been so dedicated to this thing, I've been kind of fascinated with it, but everything will return back to normal next week. So we've talked in the past about using Raspberry Pi's as servers, obviously you can't set up this massive video rendering rig with a Raspberry Pi or maybe you could if you had enough of them and you figured out the clustering side, but there's a use case for Raspberry Pi and then there's some things that just don't work. So let me talk about Raspberry Pi's in general. We're talking about the single board computer has all the ports on there that you need and you just plug a monitor in or you don't, it's a server, you don't need to do that. At least a power cable or some kind of power over ethernet hat. I don't think I need to go into too much detail about the Raspberry Pi because I think it's safe to say the majority if not everyone in the audience knows what that is. But they probably don't. I would say maybe 50-50, I don't know what the divide might be about the compute modules. I think they're kind of confusing and when you look at a compute module, I mean, when I first looked at one, I'm like, what do I do with that exactly? There's no power port. There's no ethernet port. There's no SD card slot. In fact, there's nothing other than RAM and CPU. So how do how would I use it? And that's kind of the confusing part because compute modules, the barrier to entry is not as easy as Raspberry Pi. Raspberry Pi has everything you need and the compute module has, well, actually nothing. It has just the CPU, the memory what it's for is for people to insert into another board and that's how you make a product with it or work on a project. And there's boards you could buy that have all the ports on there and has one slot. You just plug in your compute module to it and you have a reference Raspberry Pi to develop on. But that's not really all that cool because if you're gonna go through the trouble of buying a board that has one slot and slot a compute module into it considering has the same processor as a Raspberry Pi anyway, just buy a Raspberry Pi. They're like starting at $30 or whatever. I forget what they are. But the Turing Pi kind of makes this make sense because not everyone is trying to build a IoT device and a custom chassis with an assembly line and all that stuff just to put a product out there. That's one thing about the compute module. It's skinny, it fits in anything. However, for us, we don't care yet. Nothing I've said is really all that exciting. Okay, I'll just go back to using the Raspberry Pi. But the Turing Pi 2 really makes this awesome. Like it makes you care about compute modules because you could buy a series of Raspberry Pi's like we've done, you built me that 3D printed rack that you just slot them all into. There's nothing wrong with that. And that's so cool. And I'm not saying, excuse me, that I'm not saying that this is like the only way to do it. You have to use a Turing Pi 2, use whatever works. And if you could 3D print something and build your own rack, I mean, absolutely do that. But what's really cool about the Turing Pi 2 is that it is a mini ITX motherboard that's fully compatible. So if you have a mini ITX chassis, the same you'd buy for a x86 board, for example, you just put it in there and then you slot your Raspberry Pi compute modules into it and you plug in one power cable because you can use a mini ITX compatible power supply and one Ethernet cable if there's a built-in switch. So already you don't have to deal with cable management and you have just one chassis that has your compute modules and since you slot the compute modules into the board, you now have all the ports you need. You have HDMI, you have USB, you have Ethernet, you have like everything, you have GPIO. So it basically gives you back all the things that the compute module took away. But what's really cool is you could hot swap these. You don't have to shut it down. You could just yank one out if it goes bad. Hopefully that never happens, but we did just yank it out and put another one in there. And you don't have to shut down the others. It makes it really great for a cluster if you want to do a Kubernetes cluster. And even if you don't, you can have one as a web server, maybe another as a next cloud server. You could have a NAS because we'll get to the ports in a minute. There's all kinds of different things that you can attach. And I think that's when you start to get into the territory of why would I use this over a standard Raspberry Pi? I will touch on something though. You had mentioned why have a compute module for just one device. I think the exception to that is something you probably have on the desk behind you is one they built some of those emulators that they built the Game Boy style one. I say Game Boy style because it's not just portable, it kind of looks like a Game Boy. And yes, for those of you listening, Jay's got it in his hand, of course. And I thought that was a cool use case for those Raspberry Pi compute modules. So you as a product manufacturer were able to, the product manufacturer built the device, built it for playing the retro games, made it ideal. And then said, hey, I'm not gonna deal with the compute module. I'm just gonna put an edge connector in there that will allow to accept these. Back over to the Turing Pi though, I think it's really not novel. And I did not know until you said that they were hot swappable. That's actually even more interesting to me. It is. Yeah, that's so cool. That's really cool. In the Mini-iTek's form factor is really popular. This is one nice thing instead of having to, and don't get me wrong, it's fun trying to build custom cases, 3D print something. But it's also nice to go, I know there's a plethora of available Mini-iTek's form factor cases. I can find one that fits what I'm looking to do. Slap this in there with four compute modules. And now in a small low wattage configuration, I'm able to start doing my learning because obviously these have a nice connected backplane between them to be able to talk at a reasonable speed, I'm assuming, right? 12 gigabits per second backplane. Wow. That's pretty good. Yeah, that's really good. That's a great backplane for a low power compute system for your learning needs. 12 gigabit backplane, we're good. So, obviously this is the Turing Pi 2, which implies that this is a sequel. This is part two, and let's be honest, some sequels really aren't that good. I mean, we can get into the Star Wars movies, but I won't. But anyway, I did review the Turing Pi 1, I think it was in 2020, and it was really cool. It's very similar, it doesn't have as many features as this new one has, but it has, I thought it was like a 100 megahertz bus or some weird, I forgot what the limitation was, which meant that the compute modules were decent, the compute module 3, which is what that used, it had lower specs, it was decent, but it was even lowered further by the bus, which means that there's a lot of bottlenecks, which depending on what you're using it for, just like a local web server is fine, but if you're getting into the high IO, then you're gonna have some problems with the Turing Pi 1, depends on what you wanna use it for. Now, the Turing Pi 2 comes along and just knocks the first one out of the water because it has the 12 gigabit per second backplane. And even when I'm transferring from TrueNAS to a compute module, I was getting like nearly 900 megabits a second or something like that, or can't remember what the measurement was, with IPerf, I was just testing it out, and I'm still testing it now because the review has not done yet, I'm still working on it. But we have all the ports, but we also have SATA ports on here. And I'm not talking about with the Raspberry Pi, hook up a hard drive via USB or something. I'm talking about actual SATA ports on the board that you could plug in an actual hard drive to, and you have two of those. You have two PCIe slots, or many PCIe slots on the board as well. Of course, you have a header for the power supply, there's a fan header on there. You have the front panel connectors, which was missing from the first one, so which is kind of weird. You would put the first Turing Pi into an ATX board, but the power button wouldn't work because there's nowhere to hook it up. I'm sure some crafty probably could do that, but you have dead ports and a dead case, it's just holds the board, that's it, that's all it did. But this one actually has connections for the front panel USB, the actual power button, the LEDs, the power supply, like I mentioned, you could actually hook up these things directly. The only thing I don't know yet, because mine's a pre-release version, is if they're going to include an IOS shield or not, the first one didn't have one, I assume you could probably 3D print one, but I'm hoping when the final version comes out, they'll include that because right now there's a big hole in the back of the case, but if that's the only problem that I run into, I could probably live with that or just send you something to 3D print for me to take care of it if it comes to that. Yeah, it is strange in ship it, but this is one of those things whenever you have a pre-production system, sometimes there's a couple of things that might not be there, that little backplate being among them. Yep, one of the things that won't be on the final version from what I understand is the dip switches. So there's dip switches on this board that I received, they, you know, I read this document they sent me, they told me that those are going to be removed in the final version is just gonna, basically the dip switches are for flash mode, you could actually flash the individual compute modules from the board itself by toggling that, but it's, there's gonna be some kind of, I think it's gonna auto-sense or if you maybe insert an SD card, it knows what you wanna do. So it's gonna take those away because they're just there for now. The front panel connectors don't work yet because they require a firmware update. So I wasn't able to really test that out yet. My understanding is the final version is supposed to enable that. It is just a firmware update. So even mine will have that too. And another funny thing is that the, to get to the web console for the BIOS requires internet explorer, but they promise that the final version that people will buy will not require internet explorer. They'll have that fixed. You could use whatever browser you want is just for now. So there's a few little edge cases here with mine being pre-released, but other than those things, it's supposed to be the final idea. So I'm having a lot of fun with it. And I just love having all these ports and being able to hot swap compute modules. It even uses the NVIDIA Jetson as well. You could plug that in. You can mix or match those. You can have three of one, one and the other, however you want to do it. And that's awesome, just hot swap compute modules. I just, I guess the only thing I could wish for here is that it had more than four slots. So they had an alternate version with like eight slots, but maybe they will. This is just the first version of the Torring Pi too. So who knows? That's one downside is that if you have like regular Raspberry Pi's you could have a bunch, there's no limit. But when you have the designated number of slots where you have four, so you could put four or less. You have one if you want to upgrade later. But for a cluster, it's cool because you could have like a controller node and then you could have like your worker node and then fill the other two slots as your homelab grows enough to where you actually need the other compute modules. And the compute modules that I have are the ones about EMMC storage. That's another benefit of the compute modules. You could buy them with EMMC built-in storage, which is really cool. But the Torring Pi too has these adapter boards for the compute modules. So the compute modules don't go in by themselves. You put them on the adapter and then the adapter into the board. The adapter has an SD card slot on it. So it gives you that functionality that the Raspberry Pi, the vanilla one has where you just insert an SD card. It gives you that back because it has an SD card slot on the adapter. You just download Raspberry Pi OS, whatever you want to use, whatever's compatible with Raspberry Pi, the same way you would do it on anything else, just flash it to the SD card, put the SD card in the adapter, put the compute module on the adapter and put it in the board. And then basically you're good to go. So they have a, that 12 gig backplane between each other. I'm assuming then they share the network interface as a bridge so they each get their own MAC address. Okay. They have DHCP, you have four modules, you get four separate IPs. Essentially they're four computers. Now, is that gigabit? Is that how they're connected just one? Okay. It's one gigabit. And I was hitting nearly 900 or thereabouts. I was doing a few iPerf tests. I'm still doing more tests on it. But yeah, it's gigabit. So it's passing all of my tests so far. And it seems pretty fast. I have a Kubernetes cluster already set up on it because why wouldn't I do that, right? I haven't run but one container on it yet because I'm still playing. I loaded books on it on it just to have that. But, you know, you could also just set it up any other way too if you just use your imagination. For example, it could be your next cloud box. You could have like one compute module is the web server component of next cloud. You can have another module as the database server and then another module as the, you know, storage server for next cloud. So you don't have to set up a cluster. You could have like, you could just separate the individual services you would maybe include on one Linux instance, split them between four and then each compute module has its own designated purpose. Use your imagination and you could basically decide what to use yours for. Now, because these support both the Raspberry Pi's and NVIDIA Jetsons, is it on your roadmap, Jay, to eventually swap this out or maybe get another one and do it with Jetson boards? Or is that down the road? I have one Jetson board on there now. I'm testing it this afternoon. That's like one of the, there's only a few things left to test. So I do have one and I do have it installed right now. I didn't test it yet, but I flashed the SD card and, you know, put it in there and started it up. So we'll, I guess we'll see. But yeah, basically you plug in one ethernet cable, you check your, you know, whatever your firewall router, whatever it is. And you'll see each of the pies have, you know, grabbed an IP address because it's the same as getting a four port switch with one uplink and plugging individual Raspberry Pis into it. Same difference because it's a layer to switch on the inside. What's kind of confusing, I think for some people, which won't be confusing when I do the video because I'll have a diagram, the ports are accessible through specific slots. So for example, if you wanted to set up a Grafana dashboard with all these cool things going on and you want to plug in a display to it, you have to do that from slot one, the compute module and slot one can access HDMI out, the others cannot. That's important. That makes sense because it's not like you could plug a, you know, HDMI cable into like a box that has five computers and imagine, you know, knows which one to go to. The same is true with the SATA ports. Those are on, I think slot three, I'm trying to remember now. So when I plugged in a hard drive, for example, just a spinning roast hard drive I had lying around, it shows up as slash dev slash SDA on the compute module as if it was like, you know, inside a desktop or a server. Well, it is a server, but it basically to the Raspberry Pi, it's like, Oh, I have a directly attached SATA drive right here. I'll go ahead and use it. And then there's two different slots for two different mini PCIe. So you got to really take that into consideration. So if you're going to set up a next cloud server and you want the storage on a separate node or you want to set up a NAS, then that compute module has to be connected to the slot that has access to the SATA port. So that way you can have the storage connected. So I'll have like a diagram, people can screenshot when they watch my review, so they'll know like which goes where. That's interesting. That's why I was looking a little bit at the diagrams they have on there and that's kind of what I was thinking. So, you know, slot one, as you said, attached HDMI. So if you have something that requires some type of video out that goes there and then your storage, whatever your storage node is going to be loaded up on slot three because that one's attached to the SATA. So it takes a little bit of planning on there, but I think, boy, this is kind of neat because this is kind of in a way micro cosmos of the way you might see a larger storage built out if you're doing this with a series of large servers and more of an enterprise environment. That's one of the things that fascinates me is all this small compute modules that you can put together like this. You're still learning those same concepts that are used at larger scale and you're using it at something that is very attainable, also very budget friendly in terms of wattage because I think we've talked about that when we did our Q&A episodes. So how exactly do you cool off a room after you've bought a dozen large servers? I got not really an issue with the Raspberry Pi. Suddenly it's, you know, throw a few heat sinks on there. I know someone had mentioned before and it's worth noting, Jeff Geerling did a video on this as well, easy enough to find. And one of the things he did was stick a few heat sinks on there. And this is something common with any Raspberry Pi's and goes hand in hand with anything we've ever built from my early days of, can we overclock this when I got anything in my 486 days? The first thing we did was go in, will it go a little bit faster? Can I get a couple extra megahertz out of this? And so the same thing with Raspberry Pi as you find two of these in the fact that they're so close together as well means you probably want to have some type of heat sink on them. Did you notice any particular things on the compute module itself getting hot? No, I mean, my understanding is that they'll perform faster with a heat sink but that's probably true of anything. I haven't really pushed it super hard yet. In my opinion, use heat sinks, why not? They're cheap and easy to get and they're only going to help. It's not going to cramp anyone's style, they're fine. And I like that you mentioned overclocking and things because I gotta be honest, I blame Scotty from Star Trek for this because like every episode he's just trying to push the system further and further and further. And we grow up watching Star Trek. So naturally when we get into tech we want to push it further and further and further. Just give it more power. If you're going to do that, you need a heat sink for sure. If you're going to overclock, I mean, at that point I consider it required to have a heat sink. It may not be, but it's just a good practice. Yeah, I mean, this is one of those things. I think someone mentioned it would be nice to have multiple network interfaces. But ideally the goal is when you're designing with this and what their use case is is where you break apart a application to its components and then having each of those components run on a different compute module. Like Jay said, the web server running on one module, the storage component or maybe the database access on one, the file shares on the one in slot three that connects to the SATA. I think a lot more of a learning experience of how to structure things. So they're compartmentalized and then 12 gig backplane means the application will seamlessly on the backend even though you separated these as modules they can talk to each other. So the MySQL queries and the file queries are all moving across this really fast backplane with the presentation is all not really bottleneck but just presented through a one gig port. I don't think that's too big of a deal. Odd question, I don't know if you tested this. I know you said about 900 coming out of the Raspberry Pi but does that essentially four port switch on the inside allow for faster network transfers between them or is that part of the 12 gig? I haven't really finished testing the network speed yet because I need to configure the parameters a bit more. So that's pending, but so far it's keeping up with me but I'll just need to find out more about its local connectivity. And I wanna underscore your point you mentioned about different use cases for each of the compute modules. That's a lot more similar to enterprise IT which I think is one of the things you were mentioning because I've worked at some companies I don't know why they'll have like one server for all the things has like the web component the database server all in this one thing which we're not gonna get into that but a lot of companies out there that's just how it works. When you get into a Linux admin job you're gonna have to work on things like oh there's maintenance. So we have the web server but then we have a backend database server. We don't want the backend database server to be accessible that needs to be firewalled but we do want the web server to be exposed. And if we do maintenance we have to make sure that the database server starts first and then the web server starts and we wanna automate that obviously so we don't have to babysit anything but these are real things that come up when you're working in the job and you'll get a chance to kind of like plan out a distribution of actual infrastructure make one the database server and so on. I mean, that's just the way to do it. I think that's one of the cool things about it. Yes, you could do that on a standard Raspberry Pi of course but here we have the backplane we have the built-in ports and I think that's kind of the star of this because it gives you it's like it's giving you some of the features you would get from buying a secondhand PowerEdge Dell server for example but having the power usage of a Raspberry Pi which is just miniscule it's like equivalent of charging four or three or four cell phones I think I still have yet to put the kilowatt meter on it but I did see Jeff did that on his video so it doesn't use that much power at all and this office is hot enough, right? So I'm just not adding anything. That is one of the challenges Jay does have it is when me and him done videos together you realize right away, okay, it's kind of warm in here. If it looks like I'm sweating in any of my videos it's- Cause he is I am and it hits 90 in here quick if I have the door shut and I'm still working on that so it's not a problem anymore but at least the Raspberry Pi's aren't going to be adding to that. Yeah, they're just really clever and I've been a fan of them since the Raspberry Pi ones and I still have those laying around even though I'm actually I look through the little edge of my desk here and see a whole another box of them we bought because we have a couple more ideas that I got to get around to that's actually one danger of Raspberry Pi's because they're inexpensive you go, I can afford that I'm going to order that and there's might be just a little dust on those because I did order them almost a month ago now because I haven't got to that project yet. I must have like eight of them I'm not using that I forgot about because I worked on a review for another one of those server chassis and I bought four of them so I didn't want to step using the ones I was already using and then I'm like the other day I wish I hadn't extra Raspberry Pi open up the closet oh yeah, I have like a bunch right there okay, I got to either give them away or find something to use them for or is that even possible? Is it possible to have too many Raspberry Pi's? Nah, just kind of building together and actually here's a fun one I see someone mentioned in the comments here that they discovered MinIO today I've done videos on MinIO it's actually on the back end of FreeNAS for S3 emulation and that's what MinIO does but it actually does more than that because there's ways you can tie MinIO systems together and cluster things together it's a good learning opportunity for how to do object storage and according to the person in the comments I've never tried MinIO but it wouldn't surprise me because it's Linux-based and FreeBSD and many other platforms that it would support the Raspberry Pi as well I imagine this might be a fun learning opportunity to learn any object-based storage management where you want to have something shared between a few devices these are all just really solid learning opportunities so when you get to the enterprise space even if you have not set your hands on some of these enterprise class data center storage servers you'll find the concepts are one of the things I think it's so important to learn because those concepts once you've built this once you've understood the troubleshooting understood where the bottlenecks are building an application on it or running just a series of applications across several nodes it clicks easier that, oh, by the way this scales completely to from four modules to four filled racks at a data center it's the same concept just we've swapped out with a lot more expensive stuff Yep, yep and I do need to address the elephant in the room that, yes Raspberry Pis are a little expensive right now depending on where you're getting them from they're kind of hard to find because, you know, supply chain issues and all that but normally they're pretty cheap so if anyone's looking at this for the first time oh, how much do these cost? Oh my gosh, it's not the normal price so we'll just kind of pretend that's not the case and just kind of wait a little bit until they come down I think I ordered mine just before just before things went real expensive on them so I have a couple of them and it was part of a project and me and you both did videos for Raspberry Pis as KVMs and I was looking to build one the other project because I think it was tiny pilot is the one we did but we were gonna cover the other project as well but we have had trouble getting some of the parts that we needed they were just out of stock that we were hoping to get so I wish I bought like if I had the money like a couple thousand Raspberry Pis and just sold them for retail price to the audience just because they're hard to get and I hate that so it's just like I wish if I had known I'd like buy a bunch of them and just give them away for the same price they go for normally and Yeah, I like to put them in the hands of all the homeland people that follow I agree with you completely on that I feel bad because it's like there's probably a lot of people out there that want to work on a project I mean, we can't even find a video card right now let alone other things And if you couldn't tell by the statement of me and Jay made we're not great business people because we're not trying to offer you selling them for the market price right now we're just trying to get more people into tech so notice I didn't say advice in this show Right, notice I didn't say I'm going to sell them for $500 each No, I'm going to sell them for $30 each or $40 each or whatever they go for just because you know, it's just so amazing to work on a project because you could be super bored but you get this idea if I had a Raspberry Pi I could set up a NAS that'd be so cool but I can't get one right now so that's sad hopefully that gets moved over soon who knows maybe there'll be a Raspberry Pi 5 I'm sure there will be at some point but the Compute Module 4s are so much better than 3s like just to give you an idea because you mentioned those game systems none of mine have Compute Modules in them they have well, one of them has a Raspberry Pi Zero which was just updated the Raspberry Pi Zero couldn't even handle Super Nintendo games barely but this new one does and my other ones have the standard Raspberry Pi 4 in them but when I would see a game system with the Compute Module 3 inside I wouldn't buy it because I know for sure there's just a lot of things that's not going to be able to do because it's just so darn slow the Compute Module 4 if that ever gets into these retro gaming systems I'm buying it immediately because it's every bit as powerful as a Raspberry Pi 4 so it's definitely a huge step up from what we had before to the point where turning Pi 1 was a really good idea not very practical in the long run because of the speed but still usable and this new one it's just fine like I have no speed complaints at all I haven't seen any bottlenecks so I think the Turing Pi 2 is like the way to go if you have access to one I thought I heard February they're trying to have these available but I'm not sure and I hate saying that anyway because even if they do say February I mean let's be honest it supply chain issues right so yeah it could be delayed so you never know yeah this is one of those a common call I get at my company and I'm listening as I hear the phone ringing in the background hopefully no one else does in the next room but supply chain issues are what they are right now I'm always hoping you're listening to this and watching this in a future where this is a solved problem but it's not now so sorry about that I remember a time when if you wanted to buy something the only determining factor was whether or not you had the money for it and you would just go and get this buy it because video cards were at the store you could actually get one not from some shady person in the you know back of the Best Buy parking lot to actually go to the store but anyway I'm poking fun but it's not funny it is what it is hopefully this gets over soon so we can get back to having crazy science experiments in our basement like we've been doing yep you have anything more to add about the buy I think we covered it we'll leave links to where you get it from do you have a there's going to be a lot of missing pieces and what I went over because of the fact that the the review is still going so yes there might be some info right right so there might be some info there that that I discovered after because I'm still recording this but for the most part that's what it is I think I might do a follow-up video on it like some months later after I get the new firmware and get that installed and have more time to play with the set of ports because unfortunately all I had was spinning rust I couldn't believe it I thought I had a SSD lying around I didn't so of course I tested it but the the speed is slow because the hard drive is slow there's nothing the Turing Pi can do if the hard drive is slow yeah but that'll be the next thing is putting an SSD in there and seeing what kind of shenanigans I can get into I really do think that this is going to be like a permanent part of the network though because I have it's equivalent of a Bastion server but it's not externally available it's kind of like a Raspberry Pi that is like a Tmux host where all my things that I'm working on are all on that one thing but this has set up and all that so it'd probably be better just to move that over here maybe some of my network monitoring tools might run better up with this backplane so I'll probably make a video about what it ends up being in my network when I'm done with the video very cool well of course that's all on Jay's channel links are easy to find to that as well so looking forward to watching that video yep alright I think that's all we have for you today this is we're excited we were talking about this last night we're excited for all this come out hopefully you're watching this in the future when you have one too or easy access to yeah but we'll leave links down to the Turing Pi website and thank you very much for listening to our show feedback is always appreciated by the way we do have a form for that that is what leads up to our Q&A episode you can find it on our website thehomelab.show awesome thanks thank you