 Okay, so we here we are looking at Something David is here, so we must be looking at research. Well, that's and it's your question. So you're the one that needs to pose the question to him I'm David So do you want to pose the question to him? Yeah Are we here? Are we on live? David, we can't hear you. I haven't said anything That was just your mouth moving Right Oh, that just happens. No, I'm sorry. Madam chair. I was going to introduce myself very briefly for the record Sure, please do So my name is David Inlander. I'm the senior policy legal advisor to the commissioner of health and I'm here to speak to you about h six 628 this is a Um a measure that is very strongly supported by the department I I'm grateful to a representative small yesterday for walking through the brief history of our involvement as well as uh tucker anerson's of course Um a perfect walkthrough of the bill. Uh, so this is the department very strongly supports Where the implement will be the implementer of the bill Um, and I'm delighted to be here to talk to you about it Thank you. Thank you. So we and I did send you a note about what I thought the question was Um, and so I think I what I will do is let senator clarkson pose the actual question to you since she was the What mad, uh, I strongly support this bill as well I think it's great and I I applaud the work that's been done on it and the interest that's actually been in this body for quite a while I'm doing this bill as witnessed by senator bray having interest Many times. So I my concern David is research. My concern is what if There is a major health issue that has come up and that needs to be studied with people who've chosen to change um to have a Transition and and change the gender What if there is research that needs to be done in the future and it's important is so For me one of the issues is that the original birth certificate be maintained and and held Confidentially, but that it exists and that it is not that it is available in the future for important health research that may Emerge about this group of people and And just you know, also there is just you know, if as long I know And that's my major concern is is research going into the future because this is Uh, something that is relatively new that this is the new capability in the human race in the last, you know 40 years it it's And I just think that it is something that we Can taste that comes up. We should be able to have it at avenue to do the research that may be appropriate Can I just clarify what's a new thing in that human race? Well, I mean we haven't been able to do certain, you know people have been able to identify Without actually physically changing their sex. They are now with medical Uh with all the advances in medicine People are now actually able to not just identify and say What what what sex they want to be but they can actually Change their sex, which was not That would not be related at all to whether or not they changed it on their first advocate But my concern like you wouldn't have to change your organs or I know that but what the concern is the research on That may conceivably happen Uh With people who have chosen to do that and if they get permission To have their original bit versus to you know, if they were part of the study For whatever reason that they would but those original birth certificates not be destroyed that is I think Only thing that matters to me Yeah, and I I can see that I'm clearly not being as articulate as I'd like Yeah, but my concern is future research on this group of people that may be important actually for them If you know if there are reasons to do that and that we make sure we keep the original person I know i'm digging myself into all I don't mean to I just mean to ask that question about keeping the original So I think I can answer your your I can answer your question simply if at length Um this all all changes that will will be made because we have a statewide electronic database We'll keep track of all that of all of that information There's all there's a lot of information that's stored within the electronic databases of the department of health that are That are essentially that that are that hang in the background that are that are disconnected to the birth certificate itself So the preservation of the birth certificate First of all original birth certificates will be preserved and held confidentially, but more important, but more importantly Because these changes will be made Following the the existence of the statewide Registry system all that information will be stored, but again held confidentially. So Um to the extent that researchers are looking for de-identified information with a number of persons who have transitioned that information would be available I do want to amplify if I may briefly send a roms point, which is that The this sense of there being a binary choice is is actually quite a modern Concept and that through centuries there people have existed, you know in in between spaces and move between spaces And so, you know, we tend to think of you know this this present moment But but also to amplify that the second point that she made which is that we are moving from a system whereby persons had to make physical medical psychological Um steps that that had to be provided to a court in order to make a change We're doing away with that and we're saying that we're recognizing that gender is this This this conception of self Um and that and that self at a station that a simple easy process for self at a station isn't Reflects the the best qualities of of vermonters Here here So does that um help you senator Clarkson? I mean does that of course answer your questions. No, I just okay. Okay. Okay. Good. Good. Okay. Thank you, Dave My pleasure Thank you So there was something else we were gonna I was going to talk to you about but I guess it'll be at a later date So but it had nothing to do with this Oh, whatever you want madam chair. I'm here. I'm just here. I know I know you're easy So So that went out over youtube everywhere now everybody knows The calls are going to start coming in. Okay. All right. Thank you It's great to see you great to see you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank that. Please Let me pass on the thanks of the commissioner of the department for working on this bill. Yeah It's a great bill. Yeah, we were very happy to do it. Thank you. Take care. Okay All right, so with that Do we have a um Can we move the bill? To move I would What numbers I would move age six 28 as presented to the senate government operations committee. Yes without a minute without an amendment Are we ready to vote? Anybody want to say anything first? Well, just to make clear though, what we're just what we're doing is we're asking the department To develop a way to do this work to do the identity of first shifts We're not saying what first shifts will look like We're charging the department with coming up with but How do we actually work? And we are telling them that they have to adopt a simple process to be able to amend it So that there can be a third option so you can have male female and If they call it x or y or whatever they call that third option so that you don't have to identify yourself as either male or female And that we are asking them to come up with a simple process for doing that And I just want to be clear that that's what we're doing. Yeah Okay, I think we're doing something when we're actually discussing somebody else to do it I'm asking somebody else to but by doing that we're doing something Right, we're saying this is a value and we need this Significantly affects a number of monitors and we need to do this Right, and but they need to set up some rules around What the process and how it will work. It also says that they have to take the emergency rules Which is something they could do quickly, right? And they could always change that when it comes down to Um We're telling them they and I think they were at the process of adopting emergency rules So what we're saying is that they're emergency rules, but then they have to go through the whole process of but until they do that the emergency rules will Will prevail. Yeah. Yeah, you're right Okay, senator wrong. Do you want to yes senator karkson? Yeah I saw senator wrong. So yes senator right. Yes for one and would um, do you want to report this because we are constituent is uh Is the lead sponsor lead sponsor? I feel honored too. Okay. Thank you. Yeah All right. Okay. Thank you Thank you. Okay I think that's the first bill we haven't amended No, there was one last week That's the first one since last week It's the first one this week I think we did the Essex Oh, no, we haven't voted on it. Yeah, because we haven't actually finished. I thought we haven't finished the presentation Oh That's for you to write the vote on and then take the stairs And now we take it physically take them upstairs. So data just left. Okay. Yes Okay, so, um, we are That took a little less time than I had thought Um, so we are We're moving on to springfield