 Bingo with back four o'clock rock and guess what today is Wednesday in you know what that means It means energy day here at sink tech really had one energy day show So our special guest today is Carl Campania. He's a What is it recent project managers true? Yes, the University of Hawaii applied research lab and John Cole Assistant specialist Hawaii Natural Energy Institute former commissioner of the PUC welcome you guys Thanks, Jake. That's our show in chief and we have a special segment coming up really soon with Jared Gannigan He's an energy advisor at Hawaii energy and he has a movie to show us But before we welcome to the show thank you. Thank you. Before we start with that I just want to say that we received today a press release from Darren pie of Hawaii one electric about time of use rates. They're actually happening And that's really interesting. This is to you know developed by One electric on the direction of the PUC these rates encourage customers to use electricity when solar power is abundant and Enable you know cost infection in the cost effective integration of renewable energy So the bottom line is that you can go in an optional basis And you can you can select the time of use rates in a wahoo She is I guess it's starting really soon You can you can get a rate of 24 point one sense per kilowatt hour all day But then time of that and that compares to time of use rates where midday that's 9 a.m. To 5 p.m Is 14.9 cents? That's one of those almost 10 cents less But on peak hours you pay big time Between 5 p.m. And 10 p.m. You pay 37.3 percent. So if you pick time of use you better Have off peak which is overnight that's 10 p.m. To 9 a.m. In the morning That's 23 point seven which is just you know like one cent less than the all-day rate So this can run for two years this program and the rates are only for residential customers Participation is voluntary and it's limited So if you're watching this gives you an advantage to the first 5,000 customers who enroll And participate in customers receive information on their bills that compare their costs and their normal residential rate for electric and they can opt out of the program anytime they feel it's not the right fit for them If you want to do this go to www.huanoelectric.com Slash time of use or call in Oahu anyway five four eight seventy three eleven. That's pretty exciting. Don't you think? It happened. It's here Okay, but that's that's kind of interesting Jared. You are more interesting actually Jared you bring with you a movie. Yeah. So tell us tell us introduce the movie that we're going to play the movie So yesterday we we had a manufacturing event. We partnered with HTDC and the Chamber of Commerce and we met with the island Customers and and the island manufacturers for the save new money for your business event. Mm-hmm We reintroduce ourselves as the shared services that can really help these customers save money on the electric bill as they pursue energy efficiency What's the thing with energy efficiency about getting the word out? Yeah, what it is You know, you know you save energy you save money and we we really reach out to the families To educate them on energy saving lamps and energy saving appliances but it's almost more important to reach out to these these Customers these Companies because they you know, they use much more energy. Yeah, you're not limited the resident Yeah, more potential for energy savings for the for the big and you know what they say Latin What is that say a little matter studio room that you gotta repeat it over and over again till people get the idea Repetitio matter studio room That's quite a movie. Yes Hawaii energy participated in the innovate Hawaii Manufacturing grant roadshow the event was focused on helping manufacturers Understand how to take advantage of available funding programs here in Hawaii supporting the manufacturing industry Really easy to apply you need essentially four to five things Application worksheet, which you can find online You do need spec sheets so that we can review the Technical specifications and make sure that it meets our program requirements The grant offerings can be used in conjunction with the Hawaii energy program Which has money available to businesses for offsetting the cost of energy efficient equipment For more information on rebates visit us at Hawaii energy comm slash incentives Very nice movie and looks like you one of the stars in that movie. Yeah, I guess you could say that yeah Okay, you run your way. Yeah, so yeah, we talked about different programs every offer You are our lighting non lighting our custom program Given some examples of some projects that they might be able to find in the facilities One of the ones to be talked about is a variable speed driver air compressor You know go from content to variable you save a lot of money on one piece of equipment Lighting is a common thing you can find in any facility doesn't have to be a manufacturing Retrofit to LEDs. It's a good good option to look out for yeah, all right. Well, very nice John you have any cross-examination you want to ask carrot? No, just keep educating him It's the cheapest best form of energy we have so yeah get as much as you can Thanks How about you Carl? No, I agree. I agree with with what was said here. It when going into a project An energy project when going into a business or or even a residence the first thing you want to do are your energy efficiency Measures you want to reduce what your overall load is so that no matter what? Your your demand is smaller. Yeah, so your bill has the opportunity to be smaller part of your plan It should be the first part for what you need and then make sure you know What you think you need is really what you need and be efficient when you make that decision exactly Thank you very much. Thank you nice movie, and I'm so glad you're in it And I the people are going to be lining up outside to your photograph now Got a pen Aloha, my name is Danelia D. A. N. E L. I. A. And I'm the other half of the duo John Newman welcome we are co-hosts of a Show called keys to success which is live on the think-tech live network series Weekly on Thursdays at 11 a.m. We're looking forward to seeing you then Aloha Aloha, my name is Mark Shklav. 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Why hey, and I actually had a small part to do with what's happening today Served actually in public office But if you don't already know that here's a chance to learn more about what's happening in our state By joining me for a talk story with John. Why hey Every other Monday Thank you, and I look forward to Your seeing us in the future Hello, I'm Mary Ann Sasaki. Welcome to think tech Hawaii where some of the most interesting conversations in Honolulu go on I have a show on Wednesdays from one to two called life in the law where we discuss legal issues Politics governmental topics and a whole host of issues. I hope you'll join me Okay, it's all about energy this whole state is committed to energy. I was thinking about you know The number of people in this state who are familiar with the issue They may not know the details. I mean, I know everything that Jared, you know is saying but they know there's a big issue about it And I would say it's everybody, you know, that's not the case in other states that their percentages of awareness are way lower and I gotta say that this is a state that has made a decision We've turned a corner somewhere in the last few years and now it's only a question of finding and executing the details So John what are we got today? We've entitled this clean fuels to power progress. What are we speaking about? Sure today I've asked Carl Campania of the applied resource laboratory at the University of Hawaii to join us to explain a Little bit about the lab and what he does I know he works a lot on clean fuels and biofuels the theme this month of course is what's going on in energy at the University of Hawaii and ARL is a fairly new part of the University, but I'll let Carl explain that if you want to Go ahead certainly. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for thanks for having me on the show as well for this So yes, I I have been working with the University of Hawaii applied research lab specifically to projects in particular that are sponsored by pay-com or Pacific Command So that's what I've been working on but to back up a little bit to what ARL is the applied research lab And it was created a few years ago under the construct of what's called a UARC or a university affiliated research Center I remember all the tourists and David McClain's office about that. Yes, we covered that by the way Yes, but now all the tourists is gone. It's a way now. We're back to reality again back to reality Whatever reality means these days I'll tell you on November 8th November 9th is gonna be a hangover day. We'll see how that goes But so what we've been doing and what what this Entity does what the center does is it works with the Navy with pay-com Pacific Command It works with other DoD entities and agencies Towards the development of various aspects of whatever research of technology Or or systems that are needed. So it's not just fuels not just it's not just fuel It's not just energy. It's you are it's you are it can go into a number of different areas Our specific group that we've been working on is the energy team and our energy team has been focusing on a few different things with I suppose Biofuels being the primary and the reason for that is the two task orders are what they call it the two Projects that we've been working on the first one is called a gift pack or GI FT P a C Which stands for green initiative fuel transition for the Pacific and that that is gift pack gift pack Yeah, the short name is omia gay Never mind, okay Thanks for gift. Thanks for gift. Okay So that is pay-com is the sponsor for for that one and they are specifically trying to Take the last seven years worth of data and research that has been done and include that with national some global and international and local specific to Hawaii efforts and Try to come up with where we are and how we can best achieve a supply chain for a biofuels economy So that is not easy. That's not easy talking about, you know, I'm looking everywhere about everything Sort of uncovering the entire society economically physically infrastructure everything. Yes Well, fortunately, there's a lot of data that has already been done a Lot of research that has already been done So you pull upon that you do the research to pull it together and you and you organize the thoughts and you try to find The stakeholders and you bring the stakeholders in and you talk with them through this We've had a number of meetings including the verge event that was in June the a prize event which was coinciding with RIMPAC in July There have been a series of other events which included the the aviation or alternative aviation fuels Workshop that I was able to attend as well. And so some of these are local some of these are our I guess across the country and it's all about getting all of the stakeholders and all of the producers and all of the technology I Guess companies and developers to start talking about where they are What they can do how we can achieve this and specifically for gift back We're trying to address the tropic or subtropic zone So that's Hawaii and the Pacific region from that perspective So that's in general what that task order has been and we can go into that as you would like But the other contract that we've been working on is more there is more The second one that we've been working on is called a JDW 2e as the acronym. It's the military So I don't have a comparative term for that. Okay. Well, good because I wouldn't know where to go with that JDW 2e stands for joint deployable waste to energy and the the Purpose behind that is and what the university and what the applied research lab is providing is the is the analysis and technical support For the technology that pay comm is using or selecting to move forward with it for this deployable waste to energy system So essentially think about it this way the military is out in their war theater and They so we'll call it Afghanistan for example Afghanistan And they have whatever portion of land that they've decided to set up their camp And they have their boundaries and their fences and they set up and they have soldiers on base working and You will naturally and inevitably Generate trash you will generate rubbish. You're gonna have to do something with that So what do you do with your waste plan up until about a year ago? a year or two ago They would do they would utilize something called a burn pit and a burn pit is pretty much what it sounds like You take a big hole you throw all the trash in it and you set it on fire. I think that was invented in the Revolutionary If not before in fact, I think he'll sit used it as one of these things about 500 years. Thank you. I acknowledge that. Thank you However, that was banned because oh environmental consideration. No It was actually much more strategic than that that was banned because What's the very first thing that happens when you burn some smoke smoke and then who can see where you are? Everybody can exactly so now that was banned So now we have to come up with a different way of eliminating that waste and that's what joint deployable waste to energy What kinds of things would do that some kind of pressurized? You know heat system heat systems thermal systems gasification systems There's a range of technologies and that's what pay comm is in the process of doing is going through all of the various Technology has to be useful in the shooting. Yes It has to be small scale small scale and it could be scalable for that matter as well Yeah, based on the size of your base. Gee, I mean I'm wondering why I took this long to get to it Actually, I seem to seems obvious now looking back. It always does the good So I mean this is two important things But you know it strikes me that while we speak and well, you know, the organization is is moving Forward fact is that the military right now mostly 99% is using fossil fuel, right? Those Recently that was one carrier they were going to try to turn into they did more than that They did more than there's something called the great green fleet And that's what the Navy has put out and the Navy is one of the Agencies that is trying to take the lead with regards to green fuels Yeah, they've created and they were I believe a year or two ahead of schedule in creating this great green fleet where they have multiple ships That are using Alternative fuels instead of petroleum fuels Much of that could be biofuels. It could be actually happening. It's actually happening. That's comforting You know, it's not just talk no or research for some futuristic, you know implementation No, it is decidedly to help them achieve their mission as they have stated. I've had the fortune of being able to sit in Conferences where the Marines the Army the Navy the Air Force the Coast Guard would all get up and tell us How they want to achieve their mission and how energy? security is is Vital to them achieving their mission and how the supplies security clearance for this the people watching out They need because they need no Carl say something. No, no, no, no, no. In fact, these projects are They aren't in no way require any clearance the subject matter itself is actually publicly available The the technologies are publicly available. Most of them are are at least attempting to be public companies at some point But so no none of that is so is Hawaii University of Hawaii in this particular You are the only one working on these two problems or or is it happening all over the country? We are the only ones working on this for pay-com for a Pacific Command. So This is good for us actually good for us And that's these are the sorts of things that help create jobs through the university help support the university If we utilize it the right way, you are exactly But that's one of the problems not problems That's one of the challenges that exists with the university in that the university is used to doing their thing their way and Myself in a previous life a year or two ago. I was a Contractor I would be hired remember you then I would be hired by the state or the federal government to do Contracts which is different than receiving a grant to do a study So the difference is how you perform and the level of performance and that's one of the challenges And that's what you are supposed to try to bridge Well, you know what I'm sure you were about to ask this question John and the question is this is dual use kind of technology You know where you you discover something or under your rubric something is discovered Does that mean that the the military has control of that? Technology or can I use it and can you can John use it the intention is for it to be dual use in fact if possible They want multiple uses and multiple outcomes for commercial purposes in fact what they really want is to spur the commercial I Suppose development of each of these technologies in each of these areas and sectors so that the investor class Puts money into that to grow and develop it so that the costs come down Yeah, what the military does is they have their own so who owns the intellectual property at the end of the day Whoever develops that technology even though they developed it with federal money Well, what it depends on the project for one thing the projects that we're working on for example The gift pack project is a supply chain analysis and recommendation. Yeah, that's not really intellectual That's not intellectual property the joint deployable ways to energy project would be someone else some third-party private entity is developing a technology that Paycom or some of the various agencies within DOD are interested in so they will put some research dollars Into it to help develop that so that it can be commercially developed and sold and used everywhere globally Just well on that for a minute sure Shawn It just strikes me that he could walk over the across the street and talk to you maybe is and Ask you why don't you guys at hnei develop a waste to energy system and then present it It's more than just a study that way. It's real technology. I mean is that happening? Are you working on that? Should you can you will you may you? And you I assume we could we to my knowledge. We're not working on any waste energy systems we do work in the biofuels and biomass energy areas and But we as far as I know and not the waste energy, but it could be but yeah I think so it's possible if you match together with the engineering department and so forth You might be able to pull people together to come up with that. So so the you are Does involve research as part of its name absolutely and the research happens at UH, right? It have well the research happens to you age whether it's at UH or whether it is at the sponsors site Is entirely based on what the contract was so the organization could actually ask the University of oh this pick one Today seems appropriate that I mentioned the University of Las Vegas Nevada LN wasn't UNLV. Yeah, I could ask them right you could ask them to do research on fuels for that matter on waste if Yeah, I don't think it works that easily that's the way federal contracting works. It doesn't work that easy If you have to have what's called a vehicle setup And that's what a you are kids at the vehicle to start to create and put programs together so that we can get Some project developed some piece of research advanced So is this is this a relatively new organization in a new effort or has this been going on for a while and In either case, where is it going? What's the future of? Okay, a couple of questions there. It's fairly new in that it's I Can't tell you as I'm not the program director or I'm not the the executive director of the ARL But it's it's been around for about three or four years if I understand perhaps five years somewhere in that range It had an initial contract. I'm not sure if you have more details on that or no But certainly But if I understand correctly somewhere within that time frame and it's based on the initial you work contract that was created and Therefore comes up again to be renewed So it's not a thing that just continues and goes on it has to be renewed Therefore, you have to be able to show what your continued value and worth is going forward. Mm-hmm. So hopefully What we've been doing and whatever was being done prior to me being there Provides enough opportunity and then there's the direction going forward And that is entirely based on what the executive director the current interim executive director is Margo Edwards Dr. Margo Edwards and it's it's her vision at the moment for the direction that that she would like the ARL to go And in what directions whether it be unmanned vehicles, which is one area. She's interested in Remote sensing and remote Margo Edwards, we know her into everything. She's into a lot of different things. You got to figure a lot of different things That's what she wants ARL to do from energy to unmanned vehicles unmanned systems and and and so forth in a number of different ways and then several other areas So whether it's undersea Remote sensing and imagery and so forth that arrange of things. What about jobs? I mean if I if I like this idea, I want to be part of this laboratory and you work But how do I how do I get involved in it? Do I have to be a scientist? You are not a scientist I am not a scientist Actually, you ask a very important question and a very relevant question for today and that is I was brought on to support this contract early on as what's called a As what's called a casual hire, which means basically temporary So I was given 90 days to ramp up and get the project underway Both of these projects to a certain extent underway And then my casual hire expired actually September 30th And they're right now in the process and they just posted up a few days ago the full-time position For that role that I had been supporting. It is my I have the ability along with anyone else to apply for that job and The requirements for that job actually they did lay out that you need to be an engineer They want you to be great if you had a master's degree whether it was Environmental science or engineering or some other sort of of engineering science degree I don't have that but I do have almost 30 years of experience doing Project management product development. I have ten years of new product development. I Have a skill set that it's typically put on put as or Equal experience so I fit into the or equal experience category. So as I have submitted my application It's not my job unless I get hired to continue and finish this John and I'll write letters for you I would ask John as well, but at this point, please call dr. Edwards Okay, I'll see the thing I get out of this is if we do well you said this if we do well in this you arc in this laboratory Then maybe there'll be more that will in fact. I think it's an easy conclusion Yes, there will be more and you age will benefit by by the realization of the of the original plan for you arc That is exactly true And that's what is wanted from both the the DOD side and the university side to grow and develop that That opportunity and the lucky thing is that as you can do it that you are that the laboratory is doing it in energy You know you could be asked to do something else too, but this is energy And so this has a direct effect hopefully because the dual use aspect effect on energy in our state You know absolutely the most important thing for absolutely can and for that matter the gift pack project in in particular is Intended to create element in that supply chain based out of Hawaii So how do we do that? How do we grow the feedstocks? How do we process the feedstocks and then how do we provide that fuel to all of the off-takers in the system? And how do we create that while at the same time side-by-side increasing our agricultural food grow? Opportunities, okay, that's not easy. I said that before John clothes for us with you know I'm really excited about some of the work. They're doing especially on the energy side. I'm an electricity guy But I'm also interested in biofuels because they can use for Transportation whether it's you know the Navy or people driving their cars And we've made such a small dent in that regard that we've got a long way to go and it would help immensely on electricity side given that most of our challenges these days with integration has to do with the variable Resources mainly solar and wind that we're using so a cost effective fuel solution That's green will definitely help us all across the board Thank you John. Thank you Carl. Great to have you guys down. Thank you for sharing