 There we go. Welcome back people coming back in Apologies for those that don't know Instagram me to stop at the hour on the hour. So We're gonna have our Yeah, he's just been a shit Yo back Alright people already joined it back in we're back up to 128. So yeah, we can just go ahead and start rolling Every once in a while like I miss people writing stuff at the bottom because I'm just holding my phone So I'm sorry if I missed questions or anything like that but Somebody said that I was calling dude skunk va instead of skunk VA Uh-huh like to say that I'm having a real I'm all these people like I call them by their real names Yeah, these nicknames and stuff like that that they get used on forums and stuff This is not how I speak of them. So I'm trying real hard. Yeah He's keep everybody's personal business personal business and and call them by their their IG handle or their nickname Or what I know of them as you know, because obviously like You know, obviously like I don't I don't call them by that ever, you know, so I'm trying to overcome my mental You know just and just not just spout their name over and over again of who they are It's hard. It's real hard. But yeah, you're doing a great job because I knew skunk VA You know for you know years Before he jumped online and created that handle for himself. Yeah, you know, so it's very easy to call them Is me. Yeah, I haven't slipped it but but you know I'm trying to be You know, like I said our Our old compatriot that I that we call the dude from Staten Island because he doesn't have a nickname because he's never been online Really? I'm trying with that. I'm trying. I mean every most people on this thing probably know who chem dog is But yeah, I'm not gonna say his name out of respect just because yeah, you know So Yeah, I mean, you know Oh Yeah, I mean the only thing that You know, there's there's a few things I'm known for I guess I mean I got lucky and I cracked the the Mendo perps which Probably our good friend CSI is has bred and brought to the public more than anybody else Yeah, I just got whether you want to call it lucky or vibe or energy or whatever I just got lucky and and Got any number of different cuttings and connections and things that ended up being quite famous later Yeah, and then there's a whole bunch of hoopla mystery and bullshit that gets viewed about them, you know Yeah, he's he's being fucking humble as fuck because that's who he is But but the reason I wanted to start off my the podcast essentially With with not so dog is because he is so integrate integrally tied into so many fucking strains that are a base of our whole cannabis culture and He's not a pee butt so he's not throwing his name out there real big and he's just you know doing this thing I can't even get him to fucking sell seeds for the life I mean this guy's been breathing as long as I've been alive. So yeah Yeah, I mean, you know So far so far as as far as see going is that uh, I had a pretty like punk rock ethos with seeds And I bred him for me and for friends and we tried to make things that we like and then I gave them out for free yeah and so You know the s ones and the Mendo perps rule dude, I highly recommend them I went up and visited CSI and he did it He just did a big s1 test run and I got to get a big testers pack of a bunch of the s ones and I am currently smoking them on a regular basis There's a whole bunch of variety in the line and they've seen the stunt ones Yes, I Do you yeah? Yeah, so I went up there The day or two before he harvested yeah a few hours in that particular room He had half the room was a bunch of Urkel s ones and half the and half the room was a bunch of Mendo p s ones And we poked around and smelled a bunch of stuff and so yeah, there is Mendo p has a wide and it luckily it has a wide variety of Genetics inside of it. There's dark ones. There's Burgundy ones. There's light purple ones. There's green beautiful beautiful. They're all black There's ones that like the bud is black, but all the leaves are green Strangely and this is I never expected to see this There was actually even some kush and some pine soul in Maybe about 10% of them It was interesting it was pretty surprising to me, you know and some of the nicest ones hermed Yeah But I mean there you go Blue skies Vienna, there's not really a deal between any of us in blue skies Vienna You know, I would I would call myself I'm pretty polite and all in all regards and Matt isn't so polite and so We both have a pretty limited Patience for bullshit, you know and so you know Nobody nobody would be happier for me to see a whole bunch of rank roadkill skunk come back in the community But I it's a bummer when people claim Things and then make a bunch of money off the public for six months to a year to a year and a half Before the word gets spread that they don't really have what they have and then they viciously attack anyone That wants to fuck with their money train Yeah, and so Matt is pretty famous for calling out bullshit as he sees it And that endears him to some of us People take offense to that, you know And he you know and so he gets a bunch of blowback and then he's willing to give as good as he gets At times like that and so, you know, he has a number of enemies out there but most of his enemies are just people that Have something to hide in my opinion and And so they try to insult the person without insulting the Quantity or quality of his argument correct instead of responding to the fact that they don't have RKS And they don't have ranks gunk. They make fun of how tall he is or is breeding Yeah Punk rock sucks and they're you know or whatever the case may be To throw group at the situation and muddy the water so people won't believe what he's trying to tell Which is basically telling the general public Be wary of this person and don't give him a shit ton of your money You know because it's probably not true. Yeah, and like like like I said before The the skunk talk the proof is in the pudding Everyone is going to be really aware when somebody finds skunk Yeah, it's not going to be hard we can you can bring it to you see you can bring it to one of these big events You can crack the jar you can smoke it with people and everyone will know that you're not full of shit Yeah, that's basic and so until somebody does that, you know or until it gets into my hands or skunk boss hands Or somebody that has real provenance with the cut I don't even I mean I would love for my that original super Scott cut to exist You know if it doesn't exist hopefully people find that term in some other combination of things You know like even if a total asshole that I dislike finds it and brings up the meat community great Yeah, great because at least it's there one of the things that we you know We should say about the seed business has always been shady and the more you learn about a lot of seed breeders You have to segregate what you think of them as personal people from their contribution to the community Yeah, because some of them are right scumbags, right, but they had an undeniable They have an undeniable Contribution that can't be disparaged sure they might be a narc. They might be an asshole. They might be a cheat They might be scummy But you know, I mean at the end of the day you contributed to the gene pool what you did Yeah, and so once you've done that you can't take that away from someone and All of the all of the old heroes as it were Everybody has the ones they like more than others. Yeah are almost no honest folk No, not in that not in the old hero sense. It's it. I will Just if anybody if anybody's out there listening out of the old-school ones I would say probably the two most honest ones are Mel Frank I Think Mel Frank in general what he said and what he's contributed to and his part of the stories or whatever like I don't think we caught him in any bullshit that I'm aware of. I think he's been pretty Upfront about yeah, what he did and how he contributed to things and I also think Jorge Cervantes Is yeah, he's been helpful is in that same boat and The most important people in the cannabis community in my opinion You know like and the sort of godfathers of it all our Neville and Sam scum man David Watson and and Jim Ortega and You know a few others and They all have their supporters and detractors sure strongly and There's valid points of suspicion and weirdness and character issues at times, you know, yeah So this leads into Segways into what we were kind of talking about last night now I thought it was kind of interesting that in all the years and in this is including myself No one has ever asked on VA. Hey this picture that is in high times of They came to put in high times the first thing Is that the same cut that? Came from your crew because it was very distinctive looking right and It doesn't look like it man. It doesn't look like it and according to you So there's a guy. There's a guy that will remain nameless that has an old and elf and El cut Yes, and most people probably don't know this but You know Matt nice little friend crew or whatever We have been in touch with one of the originators of the whole nl crew And we've interviewed and asked them a bunch of questions And he's actually been invaluable in filling in some blanks and some history of what was what right? And so this kid had this ancient nl And he was absolutely sure it was what it was and I was like man You know if you want to send me or one of us, you know an eighth or a quarter or something We'll get it to dude, and he can tell you exactly. Yeah, and he got all mad and refused So, you know fuck you you're lying Exactly exactly if you don't if you don't want to get your old famous cut to the person that that bread it You know and then there's the flip side of that and I've seen this I can't even tell you countless times When someone hit someone up and they come from the point of view that appears to be that they are actually trying to do real Historical research. I had this I had this with analog selections the guy who's passing that the mass super skunk to everyone He came to me was asking about mass super skunk in the history and what not what we found out And I was just being open and honest with him. Hey, this is this is what we know This is it showing pictures illustrating like we do I Totally fucking got stoned forgot what I was talking about And I'll throw this out there. So yeah, here's the thing so Fuckin, you know Matt and I are gonna do a series of things about history Hopefully, you know, and that's really the only reason why I mean I wasn't willing to show my face for forever But I'm tired of so many people, you know the loudest voices Spewing the most bullshit, you know, some of that needs some pushback because the younger generation and just history in general is better served In the long run it's better served like by the real shit being out there, you know, and you know and so I mean, you know, you're Some of these discussions are gonna be wide-ranging or shit or whatever But what's gonna happen is is that people are going to listen to shit and Then they're gonna use that information to make their bullshit in the future more believable. That's what I was talking about Yes, that's that's what you were and there's just no fucking way around that, right? So yeah, like I'll give you a perfect thing. I'll give you a perfect example, okay And maybe this should be saved for the podcast or whatever. Okay. Yeah, but someone Before I even knew CSI Someone who was super close to me and had heard the story of how the Mendo perps happened in detail Okay Honestly told that story to CSI Yes, there was some special details in there, right? Mm-hmm. And so he'd met before we before we actually met a long-ass time ago And then lost track of each other but when we reconnected And I told him my past he was putting me through there I mean, obviously people call him the inspector, right? So he's putting a ringer and he's asking you questions and some are true and some are lies and he's trying to catch you in Bullshit, you know, yeah, he's amazing at it details that if you were trying to bullshit you just wouldn't have yeah It's like you're all into murder mysteries Matt, right? So yeah, so, you know a lot of times when they put a murder when they when they report something They print a couple things that are not factual That way when everybody calls and they tell stories that they have a lead Yeah, weed out a bunch of the people that don't know the truth Correct, right and otherwise they'll get hundreds and hundreds of bad leads. Yeah, they have to track down and act like they're real Yeah, so You know and and so the more history that I that we spout on some of these subjects You know In the future to like shape up, you know, I mean there's another guy that like we We won't say you know his name just to not give him any fame But we pushed back against a bunch of his bullshit And he's claiming to have cuts from two or three years before they were released to the public ever Yeah, like they weren't even created at the time and he slapped a year Yeah mountain 95 and they're like I've got a 93 Yeah, well if you were there from the era, you know, they're full of shit and that's why Pip Invented the term the pre-pre and how it got famous And so, you know and you know and so all that and so, you know, I mean You know, that's the you know for a long time. Nobody gave a rat's ass about any of these old cuts They just want who knew they just wanted what was easy and now that this thing has happened and the game has changed a bit Old ancient my uncle my father my secret chemist friend Hiding and everyone's got these stories of how these long lost things Carefully passed down to them and here's the parts of the story that I remember, but it's absolutely legit. Yes So, you know, we go we run around poking holes in these balloons Because yeah, many of them have bullshit parts of the story that simply can't be true. Yeah Everybody has an uncle everybody Secret uncle that has the just the bomb diggity and gave it only to them, you know, that's right And you know people do Whoever just said this people breed all the same stuff. So that's a problem is that in my opinion And I've said this a bunch is that the 90s was the golden era for And the reason why is that a bunch of stuff? There was a lot of diversity and if it was good weed it sold Yeah meant that an enormous amount of people could grow an enormous amount of different strains of weed and they would all sell And thus people would hold on to them and there was a bunch of shit. Yeah, every single time there's been a name craze The the early 2000s purple craze with granddaddy perp great a purple For me all that stuff the sour the kush the cookie the skittles Everybody in the community. That's like I'm gonna be a breeder, right? Take everything I have and cross it to the same fucking thing. Yeah, right? So now you've got you know, and I joke about this But if you go back and you look at like European kings and queens, right? They all end up inbred Always years they only fucked each other. Yeah, family in Spain and the family in England and the family in Germany They're like they're marrying first cousins. They're marrying their fucking uncle They're marrying this and this and this and so now the amount of things you have that have cookie in it or cushion it Or this in it. There's probably 30 to 50 cuts that have been bred into fucking everything. Oh, yeah, absolutely Everything everything You know, I mean, I don't know if I don't know if if archive is still on here or whatever Yeah, half You know, but I mean, you know dosy dough becomes famous and Boom dosy does and everything. Yeah, boom skittles and everything Boom all these OT cuts are in everything, you know and all that and so basically over the last 15 or 20 years We've been on a massive short-term bottlenecking project Sure all this diversity and so now we're all looking around and we're like, oh, where's all that diversity? You know because you know, I mean we've done this whole thing on you know, you can hate dosy dough That's fine. You know, I mean to be honest You know, I find the chem dog to be one of my top three or four favorite things and my buddy And I have some really good buddies that don't think highly on it. Yeah, it doesn't work for them very well So, you know when I if I basically feel like if there's an elite cutting It's because there's enough heads that like it that yeah enough people that all commonly agree on it There's always gonna be some heads that don't like it My Staten Island friend Yeah, he was a prickly mother. He's a prickly motherfucker, right? So Yeah, he's prickly pear and he is not easy to calm down. So he only likes things that calm him down Yeah, right. He's not gonna be a sativa lover. He probably doesn't think any sativas or elites Yeah, he doesn't want to get hyped up or psychedelic or energized or excited You know, he wants to be mellowed out and so people look for different highs amongst things and You know and there's different strokes and you know to me an elite is just enough people Right. Yeah And and the you know now there's this whole thing I always call them midsy elites right where everybody with modern marketing weed wasn't prepared for modern marketing No, all these companies all these head stashed all these Cali companies all these different companies Everybody has to have the bomb everybody has to have a lead everybody has to pump their shit up Everybody has to use flowery fucking language, you know, and really to me is like what an elite is is like People were willing to hold on to that shit during prohibition People yeah, right it people were willing to hold on to it people cared about it people wanted to like, you know So, you know and even that a bunch of them got lost Yeah, so you might not like something but if enough people like I mean for instance, you know, I don't like most cookie Yeah, you know, but there's enough people out there that love cookie and breed with it Like, you know, I might be in the minority in that regard. Exactly. Yeah burn the greatest and it has kind of a semi blandish high You know and then thing is like I like highs Yeah, people feed that gets me high and it can be anything from dog shit to Kim D To dog to you know, I can deal with racy. I can deal with couch lock I can deal with all that like I just want it to be potent and different And if it's a roller coaster rides and if it's got Terps and and burns right then that's me too, you know, yeah You know, um, you know, I mean, that's the most common thing is something comes out That's popular and then everybody's like, oh that guy sucks or that weed sucks or his weed sucks You know because I don't like him specifically or whatever, you know, but that's irrelevant It's like it is if people use your stuff to breed you're winning Yeah, you know, whatever you want to say about Neville, you know, there are a Bunch of cuts that people still hold on to tightly that come directly from dude and they're sure I'm 30 years old and 20 years old and There's still some of the hardest to get most tightly held cuts still it speaks to itself, you know You know, I basically feel like I Don't want to just people but I basically feel like if you're breeding There's like three ways to like know whether or not you're a good breeder is like Can your stuff poppy leaps? Yeah Keepers I would rather I would rather have a high ceiling Where there's a percentage of absolute shit in the line Then a high floor and a low Right, so yeah I don't care if there's a bunch of junk in the line as long as the line can produce amazing cannabis Yeah, if it just produces a bunch of mids and none of it's too bad and none of it's too great I don't think that's particularly impressive. No, it's not personally You know like and if someone takes your stuff and they start breeding with it. That's impressive Yeah, it's other breeders want to use your shit exactly. It's worth carrying on in their lines They find value in it sure and even better than that if someone wants to take your shit steal it rename it Try to claim it is theirs. Well, then they really like your shit Yeah, I know true and maybe they steal it and maybe you don't get any money for it Or maybe you don't get any rep for it or whatever. Yeah, what did do is you undeniably improve the gene pool? And at the end of the day, that's only what fucking matters Yeah, because at the end of the day a lot of this no one's gonna remember a lot of this names like Like the amount of people that actually know who Seattle Greg is is fucking tiny Correct, yeah giant A lot of people that will remember Neville will be a lot smaller Yeah, certain on these things people even super famous people will be forgotten You know, but their weed lives on They made a contribution to the gene pool. They improved it. They made it a little cooler You know and so, you know, I mean, that's just one guy's opinion. I'm just one guy, but I Mean, you know, that's kind of how I view it is like I like good pot and essentially what you're looking for is You're looking for look, you know, if you're looking for elites, you're looking for LeBron James Yeah, you're looking for the one, you know pick a hot supermodel that you're personally attracted to you're looking for that Yeah, for rarity in the line Yeah, it's not very many people that come out built like LeBron James that have the combination of Athleticism and strength and height and everything else, you know Thing with we it, but it's true. It's the same thing with weed. Yeah, you know freaking Neville says he grew up thousands of nl5 Hases, yeah over time and the ones that they're getting traded now or the ones he's selected out of all those Yeah, so many so many good nl5. Hey, it was probably a bunch of junk. Oh, I'm sure there's a lot in there tons, you know And You know so I mean, you know, it's not easy to find elites, you know, I mean I Did you know I went to Amsterdam in the 90s and I bought hundreds of seeds and I found a bunch of junk Yeah, you know the Mendo perps. I got one female. Yeah Just happen. Yeah dog, you know, he pops two seeds in the beginning. Yeah, one of them became chem sys one of them became dog Yeah, boom two seeds. There's only one smaller pop. It's possible, right? They're right. Yeah, you know Seeds he got dog Boom, there you go, you know, so sometimes you can hunt and hunt and hunt and hunt Yeah, of course I think that breeding with air air loom or land ray strange is a promising path to finding elites It's sure there's a bunch of work Because there's a bunch of junk in there and you gotta do that junk like that's the thing is like all the stuff We're doing today. It's like, you know, we're building on what they did 30 or 40 years ago So, you know in the beginning there's all these different groups breeding things and then they made it over to Europe and Neville and a couple others got to combine them Mm-hmm that stuff got sent out to America and now we're grandchildren and great-grandchildren and great-great-grandchildren But it's all off the work of others You know and it took Yeah, I mean scab, you know Scabby's on here. Yeah, you know, he goes you go that I watch his feed He goes through a bunch of sativas bunch of you know, he gets a bunch of junk. Yeah, he'll say I'm sure There's a good amount of junk, but then every once in a while boom That is not junk. Yeah fire You know and that fire makes it worth it to get all the junk, you know, I mean I bought I bought dozens of nl5 hay seeds From the arrow. Yeah, I never found shit. I wanted Yeah, but yeah, the Colorado cough The piff the heights haze 88 the Cuban black haze dog shit. The dog shit You know, those are just the ones in America. Yeah, correct nl5 haze Like there is not another hybrid out there that I know anyone that I know anyone where there's an there's that many named elites That still exist. Yeah, I don't either. I really don't my face literally has double digit named elites that have survived Both in America and Europe Yeah, right there Which is the only and Kim dog like the cuts like that They spawned a lot of s1 and bagged seed or the only other things I could think they compare That's that's that's different lines and different pops and different things. Yeah, nl5 nl5 haze was just like literally one line Yeah, that's true. It's a very good point. Just one And it was only it was only there for what six years or something before they lost it before they lost the nl5 Okay, before we start Before we start cutting into our podcast Territory, let's hit it back shit. No Let's head it back to diesel So we don't cut into our podcast material All right, so so let me just state this, you know like for for so everybody hears it So like I mean, I don't know, you know, chemfam is a weird word or whatever I guess you could call me chemfam on some level That I got a hold of the cuts in the 90s and pretty early But I would part of the California side of things which was basically me Staten Island skunk VA and IC Collective yeah, so a bunch of the stuff that happened east that wasn't my crew That's wasn't who I was friends with I didn't meet or know of those people other than like stories until way later You know and so Some of these things, you know, I don't have as old of experience with sure, you know You know the diesel You know more than most of them As you know, I have almost no personal experience with sure, you know in terms of me actually growing it Some of these things I've had for forever. Yeah, and you know some made their way to me relatively late. So Yes abode and I are friends We don't see each other that frequently, but we are buddies. Yes so the reason I wanted to bring up the diesel was because It's a mate for me. It's where I come in I have no I had an mss cut I am positive it was fake early on I have no experience with mss itself however, what I have a lot of experience with is the diesel and The s ones and I've I've been able to go through a shitload of the s ones over the years and outcrosses of the diesel and see what it is and through finally what I talked about earlier asking skunk VA is this mass skunk cut in this High-times the same cut that you and not so we're growing and he said no and at that moment. I realized Fuck diesel might not be directly related to That super skunk cut like I had been assuming all these years this is a plan of carried with me for a long time, you know before me Bodie was carrying it for a long time and Yeah, so it really changed everything I think I knew about that plan And I'm not sure and at this point We don't know if if diesel is an s one of the mass skunk But we and the mass skunk may or may not be s1 hybrid of the original super skunk that was popped by skunk VA's mentor So yeah, that's where we're at. Yeah, I mean, you know, it's It's tough because you know How do I put this in the most diplomatic way possible Let's just say that You know a lot of a lot of this history that was being made was being made by a bunch of young partiers Yeah, yeah young You know rangers. Oh Man look at that Let me just respond to that one plant-based ma I have like a I have like so many friend requests when when 215 ended I kind of stopped posting a bit because I was angry and I haven't really posted very much since You know, maybe if you hit me up in the DMs or something like that after that and request I'll poke you through and you can look at some of my old posts I mean, I wasn't super prolific or anything like that, but there is some cool shit on there But it's it's a couple years old at this point but getting getting back to what I was chatting about is that Like let's take chem dog for a minute, right? Sure, everybody wants chem dog to have all this amazing information and all this specifics and all this other shit, right? You know, I mean he was he was 17 years old or whatever in 91 18 when when he popped the 91 the chem dog in the sis Yeah Right most of this stuff that was happening. He was in his late teens early 20s. He was a dad head He was partying. He was having a good time He was growing weed in a police state where he could get in a lot of trouble for getting in trouble for doing it Yeah, get in trouble at one point, you know, yeah And so you've got it. You've got a bunch of people and people don't realize that like You know the amount of information That everyone has there has access to at their fingertips now is fucking incredible Yeah, when I started growing weed in 1993. I shit you not I bought Mel Frank and Ed Rosenthal's Deluxe Growers guide and I bought Jorge Cervantes's growers guide and I bought Robert Connell Clark's Marijuana botany and I knew no one that grew weed and there was no internet and there was no forums and there was no shit And you were scared to tell anyone and so information traveled slowly It spread around the way that it does now super fast, you know people learn things over time and and slow, you know, and so You know a lot of people, you know people's memories differ too, you know and like Things get famous and then certain people get asked. Hey Give me the play-by-play of what you were doing when you were taking a bunch of acid at 21 years old and chasing Running around doing all this stuff. I really want to know specifically what happened. Yeah, and you're like, oh, okay So, yeah, so then this happened and then and then we all know like just like getting back to your true crime thing, right? Mm-hmm. They've determined that one of the worst forms of evidence ever is eyewitnesses Yeah, absolutely that they've just proven that people's memories are fucked up Yeah, they're not the greatest and people can have you've ever had a business partner You've ever had a you're you ever had a grow partner or whatever and you end up not liking each other at the end Mm-hmm have like very different opinions of how that shit started sure Yeah, you know shit happened and whatever happened happened, but people can have very different mindsets about what happened Yeah, absolutely, you know and so, you know, I mean You know, maybe that gets saved for the podcast or whatever Whenever I whenever I poke holes in somebody's gig, you know It's not like I'm not trying to chop anybody down. It's mostly for historical accuracy Yeah, no rather than like I think this person's a liar. Did you hear not so dog? He just said that guy's fucking scumbag, you know, but you know, I don't really yeah, you know And so we don't know when Jesus was made No, we don't know when the seeds were made. We don't know How many years between when the seeds were made and when they were popped? Right correct. Um, you know, so You know nothing about it. Actually, we know virtually nothing. We know that it was called Greg's diesel Yeah, that's it the diesel and it had some pretty orange hairs You know, I mean at some point like I mean, you know Matt and I have tried to figure out an enormous amount of information About Hayes specifically and it comes down to the end of the day You know Neville has a story Sam skunk man aka David Watson has a story They agree on a large variety of the parts. There's some parts. They don't agree and there's not very good like External evidence to like lean one way or the other Yeah, so Jesus that way. Yes, we don't know when I mean people say day record dude So, I mean the head we can talk about that on the podcast or whatever But the headband the headbands the sours that whole family and how all that shit works That story is nuts. That's a cluster, but even us, you know Multiple people intimately involved in the creation of it and being able to pick their brains at length Right. Yeah, like to figure it out. You get a bunch of info, but there's still parts where you're like, oh fuck, you know Yeah, that's not a that's not easy to determine and so Day record headband sour this this this this there's these names that are interchangeable, right? Same thing with you know The 88 Hayes the Heights Hayes the pit. Yeah, you've been black Hayes all that like Those names get used interchangeably, but they're the same cut No, and knowing the people that know enough of the differences to actually say this cut is this and this cut is that is tiny Yeah, and so so, you know Geez, you know diesel is I mean, it's obviously super skunk Yes, that's the one thing we know about it for sure is that it has a heavy super skunk You can look at it and you know and you can tell that it's super skunk Yes, no super skunk for people that don't know is is basically it's a plant called Afghan tea, which is a This guy named Jim Ortega and Sam crossed it or Neville crossed it to a very male he had that he got from Sam skunk man and Robert Connell Clark and That adding that afton and back to the skunk Created the rankness Right. Yeah, and that rankness Is unmatched, you know It really is it really is unmatched and so, you know You know having grown a bunch of super skunk myself both the famous cut and the seeds Matt, you know Matt's cut of diesel is undeniably a super skunk Correct, you know now does it lean away from the rank skunk? Yes. Yes, you know, it's buttery Pit pit described it best buttery skunk buttery skunk, whatever, you know, so great pleasant So it's in the family, you know, yeah And obviously it doesn't breathe very easily for scoops for super skunk. Oh, man, don't call it the murder cut, please. Oh God please No He hates that name. He hates it. I don't even use the word hate in my life. Generally speaking, but it's true It's a it's not a good name for a variety of reasons but you know the and obviously like, you know, the The super skunk rank this might be a recessive thing, you know You know because obviously it hasn't been very easy to find and you've done a bunch of hybrid You know, you've done a bunch of hybrids with cheese. Mm-hmm. So it hasn't popped correct, you know And you know, oh, it's not foot and mouth dude. That's one of the things where like, you know, like the name of it is Uh It's not even like that the nickname of that headband is untrue. It just got added so much after the fact Very late. There's almost a joke now Within the last few years that that nickname got added to that headband cut and I would just greatly prefer that we pick some other besides that one Like 56 day Sorry about the sinking so so we call that 56 day really right in all in all honesty It's not even it's probably a bit longer than that. Yeah, it is I've never taken a 56 and and it's not headband either really so so there's a whole bunch of and that that's a whole bunch of different things, you know, so There's a few headbands that are renamed cushions Yes, and there's a variety of reasons behind why that is The headband we were just talking about there's a really good reason Related to that name that I don't like why they renamed it. Yeah, there's another headband that You know fucking got renamed because you know, it's a shyster in a way But So, you know if people really I mean probably the closest thing to the original Superscunk in my opinion My headband cut that we call the LA Which doesn't always throw superscunk turps, but at times can yeah and crack a jar and You know and then You know and then the original sour Yeah, you know the original sour at times can be skunky depending on how you grow it and what you're how hot it is When you pull it 707 headband is is not the cut I'm discussing 707 headband is a Strain created by Mandelbrot and he used the the mother of that cut is the cut I was talking and you know so People can't see this because I can't post it, but I posted some pictures of original original sour diesel Right next to scum VA's superscunk cuts And you can you can just I mean you can just absolutely see the family resemblance. Yeah, you know the spears the way they form You know all that kind of stuff, you know, it's it's just clearly there so She's not lost In entirely under a different name. She just got mixed with some different things and she does exist Yeah, you know Right now the breeding world mostly sucks The people that have the real heart are generally speaking doing it in a garage or other small areas still Rooms and things like that and the people that have a bunch of money and a bunch of time and a bunch of shit in the legal world And all the space in the world They're not really using that to do a bunch of real breeding and isolate things and find it You might be able to isolate superscunk from original sour. Yeah, absolutely Absolutely, it should take some it should take some time, but it would take time in a bunch of space Yeah, and You know hold on real quick since we're down to the last 15 minutes. So what I'm gonna do Just while me and not so are continuing to talk you guys can bid in the chat but what I'm gonna put up is a hundred pack of Jeasal and a hundred pack of sour diesel are up for bid. So place your bids, whatever whoever has it Near the end and we'll call it whatever so pay place your bids now in here and me and not so are gonna continue talking I mean the other thing I can say is you know, you know I'll I'll puff him up a little bit since he's in here or whatever, but I've known skunk VA for 20 years right And he is He is not full of shit What he knows about he knows about you know, yeah And he has been very honest and what you know and when he made his and when when he made his podcast You know one of our mutual buddies and him don't you know You know, we don't see eye-to-eye very much anymore and so he listened to it and Even he had to say you know, he was upfront and honest about it, you know, and so You know the dog the super skunk the various, you know cuts and strains that that you know, he's had access to Is a reliable source on information for that, you know, yes, very he's a he's a good dude And he's got love for the plant and really what I mean I just told him this the other day is like really what it boils down to over a long time is Are you good to people and do you have a love for the plant? Yeah, people that have a love for the plant and a curiosity and a reason for knowledge and trying to find that out You know, it just it proves itself over time, you know Yeah, and he's definitely not the most outspoken of the chem fam in terms of history and stuff like that Especially before his podcast Yeah, but he's them. He's he's he's reliable and he's honest about it, you know, and so That's because he's a punk rocker and he knows what the fuck's up I mean, they're at the end of the day, dude. There's just you know, like lying catches up to you It does it does and I think a lot of times when people Especially early on We're renaming relabeling shit It was people that were doing it that didn't understand breeding themselves in the first place So they didn't know that later down the line people are gonna be able to pop these things and be able to see these traits and expressions We like oh shit. Yeah, you know, so the naming thing is tough and maybe I mean, you know It's always hard to figure out like, you know Matt and I are we're gonna do a series of podcasts together or whatever And we're gonna talk about a bunch of history. Maybe some of you'll find it interesting or not And yeah, someone talked about headband. We can do a variety of subjects. I mean as long as interest You know, we can keep doing them because we want to get we want to get this out there So there's some pushback Against the people that are just You know, I don't have any skin in the game in the sense that like I'm not making any money off any of this Seeds to sell I'm not coming out with you know I have various friends that have tried to push me Matt's one of them into like Releasing things to the public or whatever and it's like, you know, I mean maybe that'll happen in the future or something But really what it boils down is You know, I just I want the truth to be out there for the most part, you know, and so Maybe I'll use a couple examples real quick with the time we have left So the nickname thing it's definitely part of American culture and it's cool as hell Yeah, friends. They get a cool cut. They give it a fucking nickname the nickname sticks It gets passed as that nickname, right? Mm-hmm, you know, I mean for instance, you know You know the puck, you know The rumor is is the puck got the nickname the puck because their buddy used to carry it around in a hockey puck canister Yeah, like a little bubble tape thing. Yeah, like oh no hockey puck canisters of these like hard black Round, you know, there's like they literally have to hold a hockey puck Yeah, and he would keep his weed in there and so it got named the puck, you know When it really is a hash plant Yeah, you know The the snow for instance, mm-hmm. You're in CSI's crew in Humboldt. You call it Humboldt snow Yes, you're part of my friend my friend crew that comes out of like the Eugene glass-blowing crew. You called it Eugene snow Yeah, or Oregon snow. Yeah, Oregon snow, right? Yeah, the guy and and his girlfriend who I both know who drove it out from Florida in Florida it was called skunk five. Oh Wow, I didn't know that yeah skunk five Like I literally like I my my kids are friends with the the girl who her and her boyfriend drove it out She was just down the way from me Yeah, for forever. It was called skunk five in Florida in the early 90s before they drove it to Eugene Wow, that's okay. So skunk five right is it shortened? Is it nl five skunk one from Neville? mm-hmm Could be that right be I Don't want is it basic five from SSSE? Oh, yeah, I was around a lot Is it something they bought some hybrid they bought and then it's the five Yeah, you know that that beat you had a fit pop. Yeah, I mean the five makes me think that it's likely an nl It's likely an nl five skunk one If I had to get you know, but but that's just an exit. That's just an example of like in Florida It's one name and Eugene and Oregon. It's one name Fucking Humboldt. It's another name Yep, right another another thing that we could do is you know, let's talk about the dog shit Right. Yes. Yeah, I'll shit had one of the coolest names in fucking cannabis by far By far one of the coolest names an inspired name Supposedly came out of Minnesota Minneapolis era early 90s. It's supposed to be an nl five haze and In many in Minnesota, they called it electric Bogaloo. That's great, which is a Right It gets taken to Oregon somebody renames it dog shit The worst name it didn't even smell like feces The people that passed it out. It's from Oregon. So it gets called dog shit. So everybody calls it dog shit Yeah, almost nobody knows it's called electric Bogaloo, but it wasn't electric Bogaloo either and so what this does Okay, is for every but for everybody that's out there is it just makes figuring out the fucking lineage of What these things actually are and what seed companies they came from really hard? Yeah, it does but he gave nicknames to shit Right. Yeah, and so once you give nicknames to stuff Then it's like a very small group of people are gonna know what the previous name was You know and the only reason why I know that snow was skunk five is because I literally know the people that drove it out in their car from Florida to Oregon Yeah, well, that's great too Those people are that's just luck of the draw right and so You know You know those are just two examples, you know, I think a lot. I think electric Bogaloo is an nl5 haze Starts out as nl5 haze the first crew names it electric Bogaloo the second crew names it dog shit 90% of the people that have it call it dog shit Yeah That's that's though. I'm really I'm gonna push back on that I'm calling that shit electric Bogaloo from now on electric Bogaloo is a great name, you know, yeah Good snow be called skunk five, you know, it go called snow because in Oregon it was white Yeah, frosty make sense. Yeah, you know and You know, yeah, I mean, you know, so that kind of stuff happens over and over again And so what that does is that you know because in America and Canada so many people give name give nicknames to stuff it obscures the fact that The vast majority of it came from like four or five seat banks, dude. Yeah. Yeah, it does You know and this is why like I really really and I know you do too Like I push people so hard to learn the history of the the baselines It's why I'm uploading pictures of all the catalogs. So people are standard in No, it's not snow cap is a large yielding Semi mid-Z afghan that became very popular in Mendo and other places because it yielded like crazy It is not the Eugene, Oregon Humboldt snow bud. It certainly is not You want to see real snow bud? Yeah, the electric Bogaloo exists. I have it Archive has it I have it. Yeah, Matt various people have it dog shit It is it's a it is a killer strain And it really isn't it's really nice pot. So yes, it still exists Yeah, this guy loves no cap. You can love snow cap. It's totally fine. I mean, I don't like it that that much But you know these names get interchanged, you know You know, I mean sour used to be one cut You know, you're you know, we throw a Emerald Cup party every year I brought four or five different sours to the party That I yeah, that was bomb, but none of them were the same No, they weren't You know None of them were the same and so these name games get changed and changed and changed I prefer Mendo P to Urkel But you but I meet you but as far as smoking Because Urkel fucking makes me go in bad places, you know, Urkel is uh, you know Urkel's you know Urkel's interesting and maybe we can talk about that in the in the pot in the podcast But I'll say when I talked about earlier in the podcast like I am not fair family, although I have attended any number of Oregon country fair events I have a bunch of friends who would certainly be considered fair family and some of my oldest friends Why did I pick the handle not so dog? We only have five minutes left. So we're gonna have to save that for the podcast that for the podcast But it's just it's a play on the dog and it's got kind of a silly funny story behind it Love that story. Yeah, you know, so I don't know. I mean, uh, I kind of got distracted by that question and now Oh, so Urkel, you know, we'll talk about that real quick and you know earlier in the podcast I was talking about on the live I was talking about how every time a name strain came along that became super popular it crushed what came before Okay. Yeah, so in Mendo, Mendocino County where I live in Northern, California There was so much demand for purple for a number of years that everyone grew it and no matter how much of it you grew it moved Right. So I'm literally talking. There are thousands of growers up here that grew Urkel Then sour becomes popular kush cookie skittles this that everything else now. There's like six motherfuckers that have Urkel Yeah, yeah, it's crazy. It's all of a sudden died Everywhere it you know, I mean, you know, if there's a few people that hadn't saved it It would be frickin gone like the Super Skunk. Yep And we're lucky that CSI saved it and loves it and decided to breed it into all kinds of stuff So it can't be lost exactly we went in 15 years from Literally thousands of people in Humboldt and Mendocino County having it to almost no one in either of those counties having it It was being sold as a clone in almost every collective as a Legit cut was being sold in almost every clone Like the clone fast forward 10 or 15 years and nobody cares about it because you know It's not marketable currently and yeah 9% of people that had it drop it and they grab something that's more marketable Breeder syndicate the podcast it's available on iTunes Spotify sound I don't know and it's coming soon. I had I had some life issues I was supposed to record it with Matt a few weeks ago. I had some stuff come up. It became You know problematic for me to do it, but we're gonna keep doing it You know a lot of you guys probably know Fletcher from archive and CSI You know Matt and myself all that we're all good friends We're all planning on doing various historical podcasts and in various ways shapes and forms That's pretty much of that history out there as we can that we know about you know and and have people Be able to hear it, you know, yeah from someone that's not trying to sell you shit So yeah, and it's hard for people to research, you know, even even the forums a lot of the forums are gone you can't find a lot of that info that was up there once and It'll be a cool place to have a resource for people in strain If you know mostly what you're looking for and you already know how to weed through bullshit Yep, if you don't know how to weed through bullshit it boy, you know, you can get a lot of bad info Okay, I'm gonna give a call last minute on The option so if you're gonna bid bid now It's a hundred seeds of the sour bonnet and a hundred seeds of the diesel bonnet Yeah Damn seeds. I still have to record it with Matt. Like I said, we got delayed it already should have been done I slacked I had life issues We're gonna try to do it and we're gonna do a series of them if there's interests in a continuing You know, there's a lot of history out there and we'd love to get it out there and have people talk about it so thank everybody for listening paying attention and all that jazz All right, it looks like no till you're the man. You know, oh wait wait wait breathe easy came in Breathe easy came in the minute isn't up Breathe easy came in. Well, I gotta put that shit I gotta take well breathe easy is at 1650. So people know I always try to pin it, but My IG's fucked up. Anyway, we're literally down to the last 50 seconds So if you're gonna bid bid now or forever hold your peace Breathe easy. There it is and not so thanks so much man I'm on my phone on this so anybody that that I might have missed some comments if I didn't respond to you I wasn't ignoring you. I probably just missed it or I was thinking and talking and looking at Matt's ugly mug so all my friends, thanks for listening and You know, we'll try to do it again very soon and make it a little bit more regular of occurrence All right That's a love bud. Have a great evening. You too. Thank you Thanks, everyone. Lots of love. I'll message I'll message you breathe easy