 Hey guys, now I know that the movie is actually well it's been what it's been in the box office now for two weeks And it's already gone under my buddy Sean and I went and saw Alien Covenant on its release two weeks ago and We had such a fun time talking about the issues We had just kind of talking around what was going on that We did a video on my porch with me with an old microphone just talking about the inconsistencies we had We actually talked for about 30 40 minutes So I edited it out what was kind of non-essential and whatnot But we bring up a bunch of issues that I didn't even think about the first time we talked about it the idea of how David and Walter kind of transferred the Idea of how no one saw the giant alien sit at the engineer city when they landed yet It was close enough that David could walk to them There's a bunch of things that we bring up So I know it's a little bit kind of non-directional But I would suggest you guys listen to it because we're gonna bring up a bunch of shit that you didn't even think about But then you're gonna be sitting back going okay, wait a minute It's not so much plot hole ideas But we kind of we figure out how certain aspects of the story work because we also talked about The novelization that was done by Alan Dean Foster who in fact actually did the novelization for the first movie so Yeah, this is just watch and see what you guys think. Hey guys This is Jeremy here with my friend Sean. I feel you guys remember we did reviews for the original with her Blade Runner and for Ghostbusters. We went and saw Alien Covenant two weeks ago And we've both had a lot of ideas about this movie more So just questions because there's a lot of shit that just keeps on coming up that What was it after 30 minutes the 30 minutes after the movie ended? We were still outside the theater. It's just kind of questioning. How did this work? How does any of this occur and Probably one of the biggest issues that we keep on going on about was Why did David destroy the engineers? Yet Shaw like where did Shaw fit into it? Well, you have a character in Prometheus Who's all important to the story of the main character? He was given Well, she's given the starting role, right? and Then you alien three her to death between movies and Only hinted at her demise. You don't even explain it now if you're gonna create characters And you're gonna kill them off flippantly between films That's one thing But if you're gonna get the actress back to film other stuff and still kill it off That gets silly even sillier is when you end a movie on a hopeful point And then you just completely drop the bridge on the character and Don't you don't offer any explanation? Well, yeah, that was something That's this film did that was probably one of its biggest issues was it had a really interesting Marketing campaign like I ought to say that's probably one of the reasons why I got into it was the marketing campaign They also that poster and the marketing was really good too because we had the last supper with James Franco Who also kind of gets alien three in this movie and we had then kind of the prelude to what happened with David and Shaw? So the fact that we saw them get to the planet and then it cut and they were like, okay So we'll figure out what that means in Covenant and it totally drops the ball Shaw wasn't the greatest character I've ever seen characterization wise, but I still I still enjoyed a character And I still felt like you know what I want to see her Survive I want to see her get some answers at least get some answers because she's been through hell well, yeah, considering she had the worst C-section of all time exactly like that that was a fantastic scene and She goes through hell and then to just have her die Or have her be killed between the movies With no explanation. They introduced this character who has this conflict of faith He's worried that his faith is what's going to kind of make the crew undermine him He brings it up. He himself brings it up He truly believes that he did not get the position of captain originally because he was a Christian Yeah, and they make that a huge point, and then they just drop it off the face of the earth Faith here and there throughout the movie as the character continues But they don't only do anything with it Oh, well, that's the other thing too is it kind of connects into how quickly people are killed off His wife is killed off and admittedly that was a cool scene when the thing like burst out of the guy's back That was cool. And that was that was Yeah, that was its version of The pod scene if I will say there's that was the scariest scene in the movie to me Yeah, actress who is playing Tennessee's wife. Oh The one that's freaking out No, the other one. Oh, that was Tennessee's wife. Okay, Tessie's both of them from fantastic until she blows up the ship No, I'm not saying that's stupid. I mean it was just You can't accept you can't expect people to be really Oh Obviously Well, oh no definitely But the thing the thing that I thought was weird is she had it on the net and she shot at it And I swear she hit it right in the in the center. She didn't hit it. It just it just takes bullets like a champ so, but I love that whole scene because It was just so well done the fear you can really feel it from the characters It wasn't just like oh my god alien. Yeah, no, it was like sheer terror. I don't know I kind of thinking about it now. I I'm wearing wondering why I didn't point it out They go onto the planet yet all of them go they don't send Walter as a scout and they also don't What else they don't do they don't have helmets on There was some talk about the the novel Explaining things and the novel is apparently written from the original script the shooting script lots of scenes were omitted From the the movie and there were certain things that were explained apparently that Walter did Check on things first to check for pathogens and stuff which allowed them to To go out without the helmets and that worked out so well though in the end Well, you can't like that's the thing with the spores is they're only active on those people around so there's they're not going to be around Another thing that should have been in the movie that was in the novel is that When Billy Crudup is being shown around the little shop of horrors David explains that he's been trying to create something he found He found like fossils or remnants of the xenomorph and the eggs in that and he's been trying to recreate it So that's apparently what that big egg was in the room was actually an original. Oh, so that wasn't his creation In the book he was just working to try Okay, that makes sense then because again like a lot of people have been coming up with the idea that he's the one who created the xenomorph and I was like No, bullshit. He's got sane. He was but the book says otherwise. That's what I mean, man I don't trust Ridley anymore. Like I know he was super meticulous when he used to be like he's the reason why Alien got was it five million more dollars in budget because he did all of the the storyboarding himself He did all he gave Fox all of these storyboards and that was how they were able to get that movie on the track But now I don't know man this was what I felt was the two of the worst things was It was an attempt at trying to be both alien and aliens at the same time in terms of horror along with action and Well, it's not is that is hand-handling also it made the xenomorph completely nullify Like I was not afraid of this thing the thing that was so cool about how it was shot Well mentally three and four didn't really do this But one thing that was always great about one and two is that they didn't show the full creature It was always hidden. Yeah, and when he did a few shots like that with the xenomorph when it was on the ship And it was hiding that was cool But then when he showed it in falls that this thing isn't that it kind of looks stupid Which is weird because they were able to do that in alien AVP and I will admit It's scarier in AVP, but then because they still were using they use some prosthetics and Guys with the tail. I feel like the movie was supposed to be a Prometheus sequel. I Know it was But I feel like there was almost no effort made in adding the aliens to it I feel like they've made a Prometheus sequel and Tacked it on having the aliens in that it was a sec It was an added idea because that was something that Scott had talked about is that Prometheus was like what do they call it? quasi sequel or Suzy sequel something that it's really it's in this. Yeah, it's in the same universe But it doesn't directly have any relations and people were kind of upset about that David His whole character is just makes no sense I'll do the fingering He's he's gone from being a mysterious Intentioned Android to a Cartoon villain all of that that part was But well when you've been well, yeah, that's the funny thing too is I guess maybe just from the damage He took because he was he did get his head ripped off. So maybe well He was worse than that, but Bishop didn't survive for nine years by himself. He was Bishop was in a cryo pod What do you mean? Oh, yeah, I guess maybe he just heard the gunshots, but still that's And make it feel like it's far enough away I mean if the lander had been anywhere near an ancient ruin city, they would have seen the city first Not thought it was an empty planet. Yeah, even for scanners run to it They walk to that. Yeah, that makes no sense. Yeah, actually wow, that's even worse But something like this can the whole landscape and picked a perfect place to land Don't you think they would have picked the giant open like hello, though death big There's this big empty area here if you're landing on an empty planet to see if it's suitable for life Wouldn't you why didn't mother pick that up? Why didn't anyone pick that up? Well then again, you can see it from space at the end of the movie for God's sake But then oh, yeah, there's that one shot with the Covenant Rico see that city below it and how they go to the planet in the first place is just a I think in the plan it was hidden intentionally with technology and The same solar flare that damaged the Covenant knocked the technology that was blocking the planet out Which would explain also why the transmission suddenly appears But that's it comes from Tennessee's helmet doesn't come from the ships I know but at that point they're also picking up from the ship They say in the movie that it's happening constantly now Yeah, but they were also they were Yeah, but he was far enough far enough out for a while and nothing happened And then he gets the transmission and then they say it's constant I know but I'm saying is the transmission suddenly appeared and then continued it didn't just like not they didn't just miss it Like he was out there repairing shit, and then he caught the transmission and then they say it's happening constantly now Yes, so it was just suddenly up there. It was still very can it was very plot convenient I thought I think it was plot convenient. Well, and then one other thing that kind of well I meant that I could understand why David was Odd because again he had been on the planet. He'll do the fingering Yes, he had been on the planet for ten years and no gosh knows how long he had been in the travel for he hadn't gone To sleep during the travels after shaw fixed him so clearly there was something going on with it It reminded me of ash because I started to lose his marbles a little bit They gave him a whack right and then he starts going Spinning around this is the thing that I felt was Aside from the scene on the ship when the guy's gonna know that he's getting all the back crazies Nothing was really scary about this movie Like when the guys are going into the room and the face-huggers are running around like well, they're dead That was the thing. I don't know that everyone. Oh everyone in this movie was a meat shield Well, not just that how does that thing impregnate them being on his face for six seconds? Yeah, that was nothing too We saw it cut off his face yet when they try to take it off. Oh Wait was Kane when they try to take it off Kane. Yeah, but he was incapacitated Yeah, because we all know that's what it takes they had to be under for a few hours for it to happen Yeah, exactly not a few seconds while they're awake and then yeah when it came out of Billy Oh, we're it up crude up when it came out of crude up. Oh, that was that was awesome when it started like But then it looks like a baby Instead of being that was make well. Yeah, it was it wasn't a snake It was an already formed creature which made again. No sense unless that was just David fucking it up But yeah, that's the other one thing. I was kind of wondering was like you said if everyone's dead on the planet How did he have the means to even create these things? I didn't see any advanced technology You can't really splice genetics with a scalpel true Yeah, no, that's what I was thinking is like how did he make like okay? If I'm supposed to believe that he's done anything with these sure he could take apart bodies I mean it looked like Da Vinci's workshop in there. How was he doing it? Yeah, but another thing that a lot of this is something that I thought was really easy to see that a lot of people have been questioning was how Walter was David and some people were saying oh How did David have the time to change his clothing cut off his own hand and Pretend to be like Walter when it seems simple to me is that he gives him that that's at that quote at the end would you rather live in heaven or reign in hell and It intrigues Walter after the terrible Marvel superhero fight that they had by the way that was a stupid fight scene But I feel that he passed his consciousness David allowed Sorry Walter allowed David's consciousness to enter his own so they're both and that's what I made me think at the end Though is who is in control is it David or is it Walter? There's a little asterisk there though Walter has skin healing abilities Well, yeah, I guess that's he's cut up and Stupid main character didn't even notice No one seemed to notice His skin heals Walter skin heals. That's part of his design. You see it earlier in the movie So why is it he has to staple his face and has the main character health helping him? How could it be Walter if his own basic functions are no longer working? Oh for fuck's sake now that is breaks with oh What okay that totally breaks then when I was thinking remember this they pay a lot of attention to the scene where he said Healing himself. Yeah in both circumstances like we have more exactly more Yeah, and you can see his skin healing okay, well, but then later on she's just gonna help you staple your face here That totally throws out my whole idea then that yeah, that does make no sense But in the end why we don't explain Walter had the upper hand in the fight gets fucked and David cuts off his own hand changes his clothes and And then goes off in his very way in the course of ten seconds Well, his hair wasn't even the same as Walters like Walters was buzz Walters was buzz his was all like it was all I don't know. Oh fuck man. That's so destroys my entire fat. It made sense to me Like I'm hoping that maybe it was too severe that it needed time to heal. Maybe it wasn't an instantaneous healing Cuts All right, so you see what cut him any other was the knife David's knife. Yeah, okay, remember it gets tossed probably through the battle Here's the thing though. These little slices don't heal but the giant gash That was two-thirds of an inch wide heals instantly. No That was that was not that was not Walter had to be David for that reason Wow, see this is the problem with this film is that we've constantly kept on coming up with new things with the more We talk about it the more holes you find and some people are like, oh, why are you being cynical of that? Well, you know, why not? It's been 20 years to last alien movie and And Scott wants more of these and think of thing about this way is we're cynical about this It's been 20 years since last alien movie and we were both seven years old when that came out So it's not like we have much right to be cynical. What about the people who have been for aliens fans? What are people who are still trying to figure out how the hell that ship arrived on LV for 26? Even if you were only 10 when the alien came out, you're still gonna be 48 years old This movie doesn't explain how well far we off now 20 years 20 years before for the first alien movie now and Ridley Scott wants what two or three more of these fucking things One more. Well, he's already started working on it apparently Well, hopefully it makes it make sense. I'm not entirely happy with the movie But I'm not gonna if there's gonna be continuation of the story. There's gonna be a resolution I'm gonna wait until the last one to be bitter about it. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I Enjoy the Star Wars prequels. I Yeah, I'm at peace with episode one and I like episode three I don't like episode two but having all three of them together, especially cabby episode three It was a much stronger story. The writing is still terrible. That doesn't mean There are no necessary evil. Yeah But not get into that it's the same way as Took a painting One third of it to paint it's not gonna look good But once it's done, you can see the whole picture. Well, that's hoping that's how this is Well something to that it has to be explained is David went on that whole rant about how he Wanted to destroy his creators like we are the ones who are meant to replace them yet after he's put Tennessee and I Can't remember her name into the cryopods and he somehow regurgitates some thing some embryos which again makes no sense because We've learned that the face huggers have to like at least seems that they have a limited lifespan And they have to gestate are then the die I don't know how he made one this big and then it's gonna like expand and kill someone But he also went on the red that he wanted to destroy humanity. So why does he continue the ship because humanity survives? I'm guessing the thing maybe he wants. Well, actually, it's funny as I'm there restricted by Alien and aliens. Well, that's yeah, exactly Which again, they kind of the only thing I can think of is that what he's gonna try and do is he's gonna go to the Planet and then when everyone wakes up, he's gonna basically create himself He's like he's got all those people to use as lab subjects and something will happen But an engineer has to incur an engineer has to appear and grab the ship Grab one of these aliens a queen like David's probably gonna create a queen or something along that lines waiting for mother Yeah, I was so I don't know. It's perfectly safe There's a thing such an idiot such an idiot in that movie. Yeah Oh So yeah, wait, we in I don't know I could say that I didn't mind alien covenant But it answer it gave way more questions than answers and we're dealing with not intentional Tori is either question movies ever to permit. Yes You don't want to follow it up selling even more heinous in that regard Well, that was the thing like I was happy when Damon Lindoff was taken off the we was a part of the writing team anymore Cuz I can't stand that guy's fucking writing and yet John Logan Does even more Damon Lindoff without even connecting any Damon Lindoff in this one Hey, the questions that we're bringing up aren't just intentional questions But they're questions about how the film structure even works Because it doesn't and this problem is there's probably some things that we will never be explained Like he I don't think David's gonna go on a tirade explaining the exact Incurrences of how he killed Shaw how he released the alien the the alien virus on the engineers Why this planet is as small as it is considering if this as you pointed out or Like a few weeks ago that if this is the alien homeworld, how come there's only like one little sanct of people So these are all things that were kind of pissed off about but also kind of interested to see how the last movie last Movie tackles it, but I'm not holding my breath because like I said if as long as Ridley Scott's in the director's chair I just There's sometimes you have to let the series go anyways guys Yeah, I kind of ends on a note But the camera ran out of battery at that point and we just Sean had to go so hope you guys enjoyed this video It was a little random I admit but The dialogue I think we brought up some pretty good points So anyways if you want to discuss alien covenant any of the things we discussed down below please do so in the comments and See if we can make sense of this frickin movie. Anyways guys, that's all for me. See you guys later