 Mae'n gweithio'n dweud, ac mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio, mae'n dweud o'r gweithio'n gweithio, a mae'n gweithio'n sahen o'r roed, felly mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Oni ydy'n cymdeithas feathers yw'r ddweud, a efallai yma yn 6 p.m. ar hyn y ddechrau plenariau, felly digwydd. Felly, rydyn ni'n meddwl i'n ymdrech. Fantastig. Felly mae'n gwybod i chi'n gweithio'r ffordd ffordd, yn gweithio'r cyfgaredd yng nghymru. Felly mae'n gweithio'r cyfraith ar y Cyfrifol Ffordd Cymru, yn gyfweld sy'n cyfrifol yng nghymru. Mae'n gweithio'r cyfweld i'r unig o'r unig o'r ysgolwyddiad, ffwrdd ar gyfer y llwyddiad, a'u gweithio'r ysgolwyddiad. Mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'r llwyddiad ar y cyfrifol. Waldo i gweithio ar y cyfnod yma, roedden ni Henry Bonsu oedd hyn yn gwneud o'r fwyaf. Rhyw gweithio rhaid yn beryddio am fynd i gennym acByrddeg ac roedd yn fawr i gael y fwyafol i'r un styling Ynw'r Fawr. Ac mae'n rhaid i'n fawr gan y gweinodd rhaid o'r team i gyd wedi eu gwaith a gofio i'r rhai i'r yrhaid i Rowan, allwn dod rydym i gan yn fawr i'r ddweud cyfnod a yna eu lwnodお rhaid i ddweud, ond mae'n gwirio'n mwych ar fy nghymru i'w ddim ni'n dweud i allan gwybod ynghorodau yma, ac mae'r ddechrau hyn o'r ddod i'w fforrestri. Yn gyflym gwirio'n gweithio'n ddylunydd yma, yn ddim yn y 찾wol y 6 U-N o gwirio, a gwnaeth eich bwysig i'w ddweud i'w ddweud ei moddol o'u ddweud i'w ddweud i'w ddweud i'w ddweud i'w ddweud. y gyrfa oedd yn eu cyd-foedd yn cyd-foedd yn ysgrifennu. Ond, os ydych chi'n gweld ymdweud yma, yn ymdweud y cerddwn ni'n gweithio'r ffair, o'r ffawr o'r ffawr o'r ffawr o'r ffeirio, sy'n bwysig o'r ffawr o'r wneud, rhaid o'r ffawr mewn ffawr o'r ddechrau, o'r ffawr i'r ffawr i'r ffawr o'r ffawr o'r ffawr o'r ffawr o'r ffawr o'r ffawr, gyda'r tyfnod 33 miliwn gwahod yn y sector yn y ffordd. Rwy'n meddwl ydych chi'n meddwl i'r ffordd? Rwy'n meddwl i'r ffordd? 10%? 20%? Llef. Rwy'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r ffordd. Ffantastig. Rydw i'n meddwl i'n meddwl i'r ffordd, a'r ffordd yn ei wneud i'r ffordd, i'n meddwl i'r ffordd, y dyrector gennyddu dr Shugh Dongyw, i'r ysgrifennu hynny. Dyrector gennyddu. Rwy'n meddwl i'r ffordd i'w prynhaf sy'n meddwl i'r ffordd, mae'n ddysgu'r cyffordd ar y cyfnodol. Thank you very much! Excellency, ladies and gentlemen, dear young friends! Today a special event is organized by and for youth. Only one of the key message from this week's session of the course is that health forest am y ddal, mae'n mynd i'r llwyddiad, y llwyddiad, ac ymweld yr echosystysg. A yw'r llwyddiad, rydyn ni'n ffordd i'r ffordd i'r llwyddiad a'r llwyddiad, o'r hyn yn ychydig o'r llwyddiad a'r llwyddiad arall. Rwy'n meddwl y galler wedi'i rhoi'r eu cyfnoddau ar y cyfeir, yw 68% o gydig o'r llwyddiad ar y cyfnoddau. It'' very green, it's a cyberchopic region, all year on green. Bread future for foreigners, we need investment, not only money, we have to invest the future. What is the future? The future is the youth. We cannot do that without the youth. Yn ymddangos, yna gyd-dreidio ar ôl i chi ddweud, ac yn ymddangos o'r un o'r ysgol. Roedd yna'r genrychiwch ymddangos, ymddangos, ysgol, a'r ymddangos. Mae gynllun o'r hyn o'r lefyniadr, mae'n ddiddordeb yng nghyls i'w genrychi. Y ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau hyn yn ymddir i ddim yn ymddir i'w ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r drots i'r ddau sydd yn gael gyda'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau, oedd gaelio'r cyd-gleobau i'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau'r ddau. Yn y bydd y meddwl yw'r ysgrifennu yn y Llywodraeth Fyngenol, y Llywodraeth Cynllun, y Llywodraeth Bant, Ygweld Rhywun, ac y Llywodraeth Blyd Siwaint, ac y Llywodraeth Banydd. Yn ymlaen i'r ffordd y Llywodraeth Fyngenol, yma o'r pethau yma, yma, mae Cymru yn ymlaen eisiau o'r gwirioneddau bod llwyddiadau cerddololau ennill hwnnw fyddai'r wneud yn cael ennill! Felly, mae'n mwyaf i'n sicrhau ddweud y cynghyd i weld y bwysigon cyntaf ar gyfer buddi, pan yn cyfyniad y tîl mae'r fyddai yn cyfnod yn cael ei fân yn ei ddweud o'r cyfrifwyr? Yn gyhoeddwch chi'n cyrraedd pobl o Gweithredechol ac mae'r dwymiadau a'r couldfyniadau third provide the opportunity for youth to strive and emerging as leaders, as aims makers. Dear friend, we must work and engage with you today, young people. The youth cove for action work with us launched at the 15th World Forest Congress cove on young professionals work together towards more inclusive and enabling forest sector. We must have a response to that call. I made a special reply and so let us to that call after we met in the Seoul, Korea. I remember very well. Today's event will showcase examples and opportunities from a number of the initiatives, policy decisions, enterprises and actions that can inspire us all. We must elevate and celebrate the passion, creativity and the commitment of young people as key drivers of positive change. Of course nowadays we have to be careful with the positive, but positive change is very good, most welcome. Today's youth are very much well-engaged in and more sustainable and inclusive approaches. Upon taking office in 2019, I launched the first ever effort youth committee and effort women's committee to foster their engagement and innovative spark. Spark can make a big bright future. If you see the passion at the nourish and care. I am very pleased to the fruitful results now after three years. There has been important networking among the young FAO staff active and global engagement through the world food forum youth action track and the larger involvement of FAO first mentorship program. So last year by FAO youth committee we initiated the world food forum first and next month next week from now on about the two weeks. We will have a global investment promotion week and also global science and innovation week at the same time. So I said it's two wheels to transform agro businesses together and that's really power and a contribution from FAO youth committee and the women's committee with short time only three years. This is why FAO strategy framework 2022-31 embraced youth agenda and inclusion as a cross cutting theme for all our work. Investing in a sustainable future means investing in youth. Gwans in China is about 475 BC so it's about 2500 years ago in Asian China told us that it takes 10 years to grow and tree but 100 years to natural talents. So we need a lot of investment on youth and the younger generation because that's our future. That's our endless planet which we inherited from generation to another. So today let us seize and create every opportunity to uplift the youth so they can be the leaders that the forest sector and the world needs for better production, better nutrition, better environment and better life for living on the hand. Thank you. We should have a successful event and make more engagement, more solidarity among youth and across the generations. So that's real intergenerational solidarity. Thank you. Director General Dr Shu, thank you very much. That was a great way to open the session and because you gave us this saying from thousands of years ago I was immediately on Google to try and find the roots of it. 10 years to grow a tree but 100 years to nurture a person or to cultivate a people. So I thank you for expanding my young brain. Thank you so much. Wonderful way to get us deep into this session highlighting all the work that Faw is doing with the promotion and also trying to make this sector more sexy I think you said and attractive. Now the SDDG Semedol said it. But I thought you adopted the same. I learned from her because she didn't come here because she was a telewok. Oh I see you are channeling the deputy DG. She is responsible for the forest. I want to make her more visible here. Very good Dr Shu, you have done her proud. Thank you very much indeed. OK, so we're going to build on your opening remarks sir by moving into a keynote presentation. The title of the presentation is this. Achieving the World Forestry Congress 15 Youth Call to Action and the person who is going to explain how we can do this is Elaine Springay who is the founder of 4YP. Elaine, you have the floor. Good evening Director General Chu Dong Yu, Alexander Buck, distinguished delegates and colleagues both young at heart and young professionals and a special warm welcome to everyone joining online. As mentioned I'm Elaine Springay. I am the founder and chairperson of the global network for forestry young professionals or 4YP. And I have the privilege and honor to represent young professionals in the forest sector sharing our collective challenges, the solutions we have for ourselves as well as for the sector to improve youth engagement and empowerment. So how do young people see the sector? Unfortunately the forest sector is not particularly appealing to young people at the moment. Young people are interested in green jobs suggesting that forestry is not sufficiently marketing itself as a green career option. Low recruitment means the workforce is aging and does not necessarily relate to younger generations. Many of us young professionals in the sector including myself stumbled into forestry accidentally and may or may not have an educational background in forest management. This often means young people feel unprepared for our careers. Jobs often emphasize having hard technical skills but education increasingly focuses on theory and soft transferable skills. They are often limited on the job training opportunities. To gain the necessary skills most young people experience job insecurity. We build our early careers through volunteering and short term contracts finally gaining job security well into our 30s. We are also part of a silent or hidden workforce often contributing our expertise behind the scenes and are not visible. In 2021 4YP ran a survey. We received responses from around 700 young professionals from 79 countries. They expressed challenges related to career development, workplace discrimination and networking. Not only is entering the sector itself a challenge but so is being respected and trusted as a professional with valued expertise and skills. Many YPs felt underestimated and many have not had opportunities to discuss their career growth with supervisors or mentors. Limited opportunities to network means many young professionals do not know their peers or colleagues outside their teams or organizations. This lack of visibility in networking not only affects the individuals in the long term but also the sector which is dependent on strong networking. Now these challenges were reinforced by the youth call for action entitled work for us presented at the 15th World Forestry Congress in Seoul. The YCA was the result of regional consultations involving over 600 youth organizations and youth led by the UNF major group for children and youth and supported by FAO and the WFC secretariat. We are fortunate today to have two of the main contributors Erika Dejeralami and Amos Amanubo with us today and hopefully you'll have a chance to meet them after the session. Similar to YPs, youth highlighted a lack of networking opportunities, unrealistic job expectations from employers, lack of capacity building opportunities on how to build their careers from successful job applications and interviews to gaining leadership and management skills. So how do we address these issues collectively? To achieve the YCA, we need to engage in intergenerational dialogue and listen to the younger people. We need to ask questions such as how can the forest sector appeal to the next generation? What do decent jobs and career development look like to youth and young professionals? And how would young professionals like to advance their careers? How can they gain the skills necessary to progress? To address many of these issues young professionals face as well as to better support the broader youth community, 4YP was launched at the World Forestry Congress in May this year. 4YP is young professionals investing in ourselves for the betterment of our sectors present and future. The network was established because there is a gap in the sector. Young professionals generally feel isolated and excluded from existing networks and wanted more meaningful connections and engagement with their peers around the globe. So what is 4YP? 4YP is foremost a global community for young professionals and job seekers in the forest sector to network to develop their professional skills and confidence and gain empowerment. 4YP aims to increase the visibility of young professionals in the forest sector, providing an inclusive space to share ideas, learn and showcase young professional contributions and expertise. More importantly, our members are 4YP. They are the young professionals and job seekers under age 40, including recent grads and those with less than 15 years experience within the sector. Since launching in May, 4YP has over 350 members globally and we offer interactive activities that bring members together including networking events, workshops and career development opportunities. For example, this week parallel to COFO are a number of youth activities including networking, career sharing sessions and technical workshops on tools developed by some of the forestry divisions young professionals working here at headquarters. Similar events were also organized at the World Forestry Congress in Seoul and we hope that such activities that bring youth and young professionals together and highlight their achievements and contributions to the forest sector become the norm. The fastest way to rejuvenate the forest sector is to normalize younger experts as presenters, panelists and moderators in events and to invite them to join working groups and advisory committees. Because not only do young professionals bring relevant diversity, they offer inspiration to the aspiring youth, making the forest sector more accessible to future generations. So for the current and future success of the sector, we need to empower our young professionals. This means investing in their career development through increasing visibility, mentorship and leadership opportunities. So, I invite all of you the next time you're planning a conference and would like to create networking opportunities for youth or would like to inject some dynamism through younger expert voices, please consider reaching out to 4YP and work with us to achieve the youth call to action. Thank you. Wonderful. Really good. Elaine, thank you very much indeed. That's a real call to action. The question is whether our colleagues are ready to receive that call and act upon it and in a moment I'll be hearing, we'll be hearing from one of the actors who perhaps is well placed to answer that call. But for now I want to thank Dr General, Dr Shu Donkyw for joining us and lending us your expertise. I know you have to go on to other things but thank you very much and good evening to you. Thank you. Thank you very much for joining us. Thank you. Dr General. Thank you. Tremendous. We've got off to a really good start haven't we? I think we have and we're going to build on this now because I was listening Elaine to what you had to say. The way you presented the sector from a young people's point of view and I thought, wow, most of them don't want what they think at dirty jobs. It's not attractive to them. They want something else, something clean, something digital. Well you're saying actually there is a huge potential here for those people but it's an isolated, it can be isolated, can't it? You know, for young people and it takes until your 30s before you feel more stable. I'm really sorry but don't worry, we're going to help you out okay. We're going to help you out and Faw and the colleagues are going to reach out to you, I'm sure of it, given the call to action that was issued in Korea. So, one of the people listening very carefully and intently to you is Alexander Buck, the gentleman sitting on our left, who is the Executive Director of... Now this is the acronym, EUFRO, I-U-F-R-O, for Interconnecting Forests, Science and People and he's going to launch the Global Assessment of Forage Education. So you've paved the way. Alexander over to you. Give him a round of applause please. Thank you very much Henry and Elaine, it's a pity I don't meet the requirements for joining 4YP because I would have done instantly if I could. So thanks a lot. Colleagues, ladies and gentlemen, first of all Elaine, thanks a lot for actually giving me the opportunity to speak in this setting, Henry, to launch a brand new publication which is the Global Assessment of Forest Education. I think as you have just heard from Elaine, the youth call to action is a very welcome reminder that our young professionals and the young people are an indispensable source of ambition, creativity, knowledge and innovative ideas for addressing a myriad of problems faced by the forest sector but also for working towards achieving the globally agreed goals and targets and as we all know there are many of those. I think you will agree with me that modern inclusive education on the one hand and mentorship and professional training on the other hand are really the most important means of building the knowledge, skills and expertise that is needed for a successful career in the forest sector. Therefore education and career development are closely interconnected. Against this background it really gives me great pleasure to launch the Global Assessment of Forest Education. I show the report one more time as part of this session here. Really it's one of the building blocks for really giving better opportunities for young people. And by the way Henry, you don't have to convince me about the power of networking since UFO is the global network for science collaboration. We work very closely with IFSA, which is the Natural Property Students Association, another network and we will hear more from them later on I believe. But back to the report. This publication was carried out jointly by three organizations talking about networking, the Food and Agriculture Organization, the International Tropical Timber Organization and IUFRO in collaboration with nine regional partners and a large number of stakeholders as part of a global forest education project funded by the German Federal Ministry of Food and Agriculture, the BMEL. It constitutes a major contribution to the global forest education initiative of the collaborative partnership and forest. The two authors of the report are Professor Mika Reikola from the University of Helsinki and Professor Terry Sharick from Mitig and Tech University really did an excellent job in synthesizing the findings of that global forest education project and in distilling and processing the inputs by thousands of forest education stakeholders who contribute to their knowledge, experiences and perspectives to the project. The assessment examines the status of forest education around the globe and identifies much needed actions. It builds on a comprehensive review of the scientific literature, if I remember correctly, more than 7000 publications have been reviewed as part of the project as well as an online survey that was completed by more than 2,700 respondents as well as regional consultations with more than 500 experts and stakeholders in six regions of the FAO. The report covers all levels of education from primary, secondary, all the way to tertiary education, universities and colleges. Overall, in a snapshot one could see the findings of the assessment under PIM, the need to strengthen or further strengthen forest education. Unfortunately, what the report indicates that we are not really capturing the full potential of attracting talent to forestry and also we are missing, we tend to miss opportunities to stimulate the youth interest in continuing their learning about forest related topics. So these are some of the shortcomings that have been identified in the report. At the same time, I don't want to paint a two-green picture. I mean, there are many examples in the report that show how to successfully nurture the interest of the youth in forest and forest related topics already in early school grades so as to nudge them into choosing a career into the sector. The report also identifies numerous locally relevant inclusive solutions to forest education that take into account the digital divide, language barriers, as well as issues of gender and racial or ethnical balance. The report finds that graduates are often not sufficiently prepared when entering the workforce. And I think, Elaine, this is also where the link is for YP, because one of the main areas for improvement that is actually described in the report is to provide many more and better opportunities for out-of-university learning and work experience. So we need to get students, while they are studying, we need to get them out into the field, we need to get them into the private sector to do internships and similar opportunities, and we need to involve them in mentoring programs so that they can enter into these meaningful relationships, mentor-mentee relationships and learn from each other. Another lesson from the report is that actually stakeholders need to be involved, that there is a vast potential involved, stakeholders more meaningfully in curricular development and also in these other activities like outdoor training and workplace learning that I've just mentioned. In other words, the findings of that assessment underpin the vision and the mission of the youth call for action adopted in Korea, and we were there, we witnessed it. Ladies and gentlemen, in the short time available here, it is impossible to give you a full and comprehensive overview of all the many and rich details of that report, and especially also of the recommendations to governments, to education institutions and to intergovernmental organizations. Therefore, I would like to cordially invite you, and here you can see the cover of the report, to join us for a webinar. The webinar will tentatively be held on the 30th of November around midday central European time, so please, you know, a book that dates and time in your calendars, where we are going to have a more in depth, a fuller launch of the report together with the two authors of the report and with stakeholders. You are very cordially invited to join that webinar and save the date will be sent out very shortly. The report, I show it one more time, is now available for download from the FAO webpage, so please make sure to visit the webpage to already get your copy, your electronic copy of the report. And of course, it's our hope that the report will inform future actions to strengthen forest education and career development to broadly benefit forests and trees and to contribute to the topic of this session, a bright future for forestry. Thank you very much. Thank you very much indeed to Alexander Boeck. Wonderful stuff. So there's a real action point there. The webinar on the 30th of November and all are invited and I can see there's real synergy between you at EUFRO and Elaine and 4YP, which is tremendous. But we've been talking in the global sense about forestry. Let's focus down on one particular country now and we're going to go to our virtual keynote presentation and the title of it is tools to detect and prospect skills in the Colombian forest sector. And our speaker is the subdirector of monitoring analysis and labour prospects at the Ministry of Labour for Colombia. And it is going to be Oscar Fabian Riemania, who will speak in Spanish on career development programmes, national forest education and strengthening the forest sector. Oscar, mucho gusto. Over to you. I'm going to start my presentation in Spanish, so this has a small overview in relation to the main points that we have developed in this study. If we move on, please go to the next slide. Can we have the next slide, please? Yes. The five factors that you know, which are the difficulty of getting professionals with the adequate skills to work in this sector, the fact that we also have a labour force increasingly aged by all the already known aspects in relation to demographic transition, the lack of professional growth of young people that are linked to this sector, the migration of urban rural areas, and that loss in general that has been seen in relation to the attractive that the sector has for young professionals that are finishing their educational and informative processes. If we move on to the next slide, please, in general terms, we are counting that there are around 73 million young people unemployed around the world, of which it is expected that for the year 2022, thank you, let's say, to the economic reactivation processes that have experienced labour markets globally, there will be a paulatina recovery of the employment of young people. However, in this year 2022 it is expected that 23.3% of these young people will be minis, that is to say, that they do not study or work, they are part of that population outside the labour force. So this, let's say, puts us in context that young women are especially affected by this situation, 100 of them, the 27.4% that are prevented from employment at the end of this year, and a gap of occupation around 40.3%, that, let's say, in relation to men, where the gap of gender is also a constant within this sector, as well as, let's say, the global trends that today show us. Well, within the specific study that we had for the Colombian case, we did it through alliances with the Ministry of Environment, with institutions and grants from the sector, this sector has an employment volume of approximately 269,000 people, according to figures of our home survey for the year 2021, where it involves activities of agriculture, extraction, and collection of forest products, fabrication of leaves, among others. And they are the capital cities that usually have greater concentration and participation in employment for this sector. Bogota, Medellin, Cali, group no more than 50% of the total employment of this sector, and there is a detail that draws attention, and it is that it is a sector that has low levels of labour formality. Only the 28.9% of the occupied people pay attention to this sector, showing also the gap of labour formality, the gap of social security, which is one of the aspects that should be worked with urgency in this sector. Next. Now. So, in general terms, the human capital breaches, we identify them or what we would mention as skill mismatch, we are going to make an identification from three perspectives. The lack of skills that is mentioned from the productive sector, when the staff is not achieved with the appropriate competencies, or they do not cover the required vacancies, when we see workers or looking for employment that, in this case, are the same young people who do not have the profile or the required skills to deal with those jobs, but also when in the informative education sector there are the failures or there is that lack of quality and synchrony with the needs that the sector has. Next. So, this study, especially, was done in a department in Colombia called Cauca. It is a department that is located in the south-west of the country, and it is a sector that was mainly prioritised thanks to, first of all, the international articulation with other organizations and local, and because this department has some characteristics of biodiversity, of natural wealth, of forest wealth that can be done, this type of prioritisation for this aspect. In what type of plantations was the process of raising the information? In plantations with vocation of commercial exploitation and in plantations of native forests. Next. Well, then there are several actors that are important within the knowledge of the forest chain. We have private residents, let's say they are those who carry out all the cultivation of the own species in the region. They are the owners of the silvicultures, the cutters, the intermediaries, the transporters, and also the companies that are in charge of doing all the processing of the wood that is extracted from this type of centres. So this is taken into account that they are part of the whole value chain that they carry from the exploitation of a forest plantation that has commercial purposes until the final product. Already in what vocations, plantations with vocations of natural conservation of forest reserve, let's say, there are some different needs that are presented in this specific case. Next. What trends, let's say, at a general level, were identified within this prospective component that was identified for the sector in the coming years. There are some topics that experts consulted in this sector mentioned and that apply to the two slavons that we had commented on. The first one is all the silviculture of precision, sustainable wood construction, the seal certification, everything that has to do with the carbon markets that are, let's say, key within the conservation of the global climatic equilibrium. It is also all that has to do with the geographical information system, the application of sensors and the genetic improvement, as part, let's say, of those trends that impact the occupations and the skills of the type of workers that this sector will need in the coming years. Next. So in terms, let's say, of the profiles that are demanded, we see that this is a sector that may not have a wide offer, right, of jobs related, for example, in the employment public service, but when we do some specific review, we find some of them, such as environmental managers, professional health care, health care facilities, biologs, biologs in botany, and in the specific case of this study, you realize that it is a department that does not have a high degree of industrial development in the country. There are profiles whose experience and whose skills are mainly empirical. I put in some examples, such as specialised forest implementation, technical assistance, maintenance operations, operation of residents, closers, operation of machinery, among other profiles, including forest engineers, that within the highest level of qualification in university education, are the profiles that are more associated with nature of this sector. If we move on to the next step, in general terms, when we review the specific breaches that are detected at the level of skills within this sector, we find that forest engineers are having problems in the design of the mannig of the farms, the cutters with the lack of taking advantage of the raw material, the closers perhaps do not have formal training courses that allow them to give them practical practices of industrial care to the instruments. In general terms, we are observing personal care, a very focused training offer, only forest engineering, leaving the levels, let's say, other levels of attention outside. The alignment also with the goals of sustainable development, which is key and that is not yet reflected in the nature of this sector, and there will be a trend, let's say, that it will have a significant impact on the future, which is the process mechanism. Let's move on to the next step, to finish this presentation. There are several tools that, from the ministry of the work of Colombia, we have developed and that we put at the disposal of the project, which is the only classification of occupations for Colombia. The catalog of occupations is OPA-COL, the source of labor information of Colombia that has figures and has information related to the entire labor market, Colombian, but also for those where we can make a specific summary of the Cuestan sector. Let's move on to the next, please. Here, let's say, you are left with these tools, you are left with these final reflections for which we have developed these studies in our country. The first thing is that all these results are fundamental for the construction of strategies of Sierra. For example, with the qualification catalog, with the qualification national brand, how to improve the employability of the human talent that is already there, but also of the young people who will mark the future of this sector in the coming years. It is clear that here they also generated a process of recognition of the previous learnings, competition certification to link to this population, to formalize it, and give it a dignified recognition of its competencies. It is also key to improving the conditions of hiring, articulation with other national centers, and we put to your disposal this study, this information that we hope has been of total usefulness to meet the objectives of this meeting. It is an honour to see you with us during this day, and we will be, of course, very attentive to the development and success of this event. Thank you. Thank you very much to Oscar, Fabian Riomania. Thank you very much indeed for that presentation from Columbia, a really interesting study, a monitoring study by the Ministry of Labour. They're just looking at some proposals for closing the gaps in the sector, adjusting the education offer, so people are more employable. Both their previous education, that's formal and informal, very, very important. Better involvement of different government agencies, it has to be integrated with real leadership. Yes, leadership from the Environment Agency and the National Development Agency, and promoting improvements in contract conditions. People assume that all the youth in Columbia or anywhere else, they're just interested in AI and coding, et cetera, but not everybody wants to do AI and coding. Some people want to work with living things, these great trees, these organisms, they were here before us, they may be here after us too. Yes, indeed. Especially those Californian redwoods, some of which are more than 2,000 years old. Sequoia, you see I know my trees. Sequoia, yes, that's all I know. Anyway, so thank you very much for that Oscar. This is a really good study which other people can use as well and different stakeholders can dive in and support various initiatives to support the young professionals. Response from you, Elaine, on that. I suppose you're encouraged, yes, by what Columbia has done. Absolutely, I think we need to see more initiatives done at national levels on this. I think the global assessment also provides some information on this on a global scale and I think countries should be encouraged to look at the four sector labour market to better understand how to close these gaps. Excellent, and I'm assuming, Alexander, you would want to see other countries doing the same kind of detail study as Columbia has done. Absolutely, this is a really great example of how to systematically approach the issue and how to really find innovative, comprehensive approaches to attracting talent to the forest and the trees, to the sequoias. Very good, thank you very much. I can see you are listening. Excellent, Alexander Buck, thank you very much for joining us from Euphro. We're going to do a little change around now because we have another panel. This will be the panel that will take us through to the end of this session and then you'll be treated to some music that you can listen to. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for joining us from the Ministry of Labour in Columbia. Our first panel, thank you very much. Give them a round of applause. Thank you very much indeed. Now you'll be treated to some music, some vibes, some energy and culture right here on this stage before the reception downstairs in the atrium. Yes, you're going to be, well, certainly you're going to get some drink, maybe some food as well, I'm not sure. Is that true? Tina, perhaps some food as well. Some good quality, nourishing, sustainable, maybe even circular food, who knows. Yes, apparently there is such a thing, a circular food, we will see. Wonderful, okay, so let me call up Louis, no, Louis is going to be online, Louis Simpson, Executive Director of the Institute of Chartered Forests, so Louis is going to be online. We are going to have Mariella Chiarella, Manager of Mentorship and Youth Programs from Project Learning Tree Canada, can come up. Vinamra Mathur, Regional Director for Asia-Pacific Youth for Nature. Is Vinamra here? Or is she online? Online, very good. Ogestan Rosello, I think I saw you earlier, Ogestan President of the International Forestry Students Association and Shyam Satkura, Executive Director of ITTO. Shyam, I'm sorry, we met earlier, I should remember. Thank you very much. Wonderful to have you on again. Okay, so we're going to get some quick fire presentations from each of you, you've heard our initial panel set out their store. We now want to hear from you. I'm going to go to Louise Simpson from ICF, you're online, you're the Executive Director. Please build on what you've heard and give us a sense of where we are and where we need to be if we're going to deliver for the young potential YP forestry people a bright future for forestry. So let's go first of all Louise Simpson, and each of you is going to get about three minutes to do your lightning presentation. Louise, first of all, over to you. Thank you and apologies, we've just had a power cut in the building, so if I get darker and darker there's not much I can do about it but hopefully we'll be okay. So I'm just going to be talking to you about what the UK is doing in investing in our young professionals. I think we sort of all know the context but we've legislated for a target of net zero national greenhouse gas emissions by 2050 and we need to increase our woodland cover to 18 to 20%. We have about 640 million as one of the pots of money in being invested in this which is very encouraging, although with the background of potential public sector cuts let's hope that that survives contact. And where we are today or 31st of March 2020 around 13% of the UK was covered by woodland and we planted about 13,660 hectares in 2021. The problem with this is this great appetite to plant more trees coincides with the skills crisis we estimate that we have a 72% shortfall in our workforce. There is a real lack of awareness and understanding by the public about what forestry is so they still regard it as a lumberjack cutting down trees. Years of underground investment in the sector, a shortage of industry and school placements and a real reduction in forestry further and higher education courses and they are going down whilst we are telling them that they need to go up but they are not coinciding. What is the sector doing? The institute published a skills paper last year to highlight the issues that we are facing. We have these things called the forestry skills forums which are based in Scotland, Wales and in England and they look at their organisations charities who are working within forestry and they look at how to get forestry on the curriculum, how to improve CP, create professional development and they are raising the profile of forestry. We had some really good graduate training schemes that organisations like Till Hill, Scottish Woodlands and Savils are running and they are taking non forestry graduates and getting them up to speed as quickly as possible. We have also launched degree level apprenticeships which seem to be enormously popular. We had over 400 applications for 40 places so that does seem to be a way to go and we have also launched ourselves a leadership fellowship which is a six month course trying to really build our young professionals into the emerging leaders of the future. Just a little bit about the institute with a royal chart of body for foresters in the UK and we enable young and old foresters to get professional qualifications supporting members throughout their careers and working to raise professional standards and to help to increase public awareness of forestry. Around 23% of our members around 35 years old we are very keen to grow our talent and so we ask our young professionals to chair at conferences we hold specific young professional conferences and we have moved to calling them early career people just to sort of try and sweep up some of the career changes. We involve young professionals in the governance of the institute so we have those on council and various other committees study tours, we have student membership and we support the 4YP as much as we can. Thank you very much for my lightning tour. That's great, that's great. You've got a lot in there I didn't know 13% as a UK person 13% of the UK was Woodland and I thought it was about 5. We're totally ignorant I mean forestry people are never on the news we never hear from them I'll do what I can as a news guy to help change that. You and I will talk off with you. Yes, I'll try and interview you at some point. Excellent, thank you very much. Let's move to Charm who is the Executive Director of the National Tropical Timber Organization. Charm, your thoughts and take us forward in three minutes. What do we need to be doing, do you think? Okay, so thank you. Thank you for that Henry and it's going to be a hard act to follow from the first panel that presented today and also we have a fabulous line of speakers for the second panel. Now what do we need to give the UN theme this year for youth is intergenerational solidarity creating a world for all ages. I think that is so key and it's not just a case of the older ones nurturing the young not just that the young need to be nurtured into the growth so it works both ways. Now in ITTO's case as an organization we have been running a fellowship program from 1989, next slide please. Next slide please. Oh, do I have to use the clicker? Damn, sorry, sorry. No, no, no, it's okay. Try that. Ah, it changed. Thank you. So I think most of you will know what ITTO as an organization is all about and we are the sole international organization with a mandate on tropical forestry and you can see from the statistics the area and the expertise that is required for this massive area of trees not just sequels millions of other species is immense. I'm sorry. I'm not a forester either. Sure, no problem with that. I'm not a forester myself, but there we are. And what do I do this? This one I guess, right? Fumbling here now. Okay, so out of the fellowship courses that we support as an organization focus of course is on capacity building enhancing training, education, extensions. We also firmly believe that ITTO's we also firmly believe that hands-on training in the forestry sector is extremely important. So you cannot learn everything about forestry from textbooks. It's impossible. You need to be out in the field on the ground. Same thing with the timber industry. You cannot learn to work and operate a processing piece of machinery just by looking at the catalogue or at the instruction manual. You know, you need to be feeling. You need to be feeling the material. You need to be working it. You need to be actually talking to colleagues around you on how to better perhaps the working of the machinery. So that hands-on, hands-on is so, so important. And it's up to the older generations, the oldies like me I'm guessing and the much younger ones below me, younger than me to actually help this process move forward. Now through the fellowship program this is all the things, it's all background reading. I'm hoping that everyone will be able to get a copy of this presentation because you will be able to see how useful it has been. So it was established in 1989 it has benefited more than 1400 young professionals from at the moment 49 countries that could grow if our membership grows of course wishful thinking but still the investment totaled 9.8 million so far and the major prominent donors have been Japan, the USA, the Netherlands and Australia. We have had other members also pitching in with smaller amounts of money over the years. So this is the key impact of ITTO fellowships. This is an extremely important slide for all of you to look at to see the areas in which the fellows have chosen to go. The selection is done by a selection panel consisting of ITTO membership who are mainly for assist, they are all professionals so they are all evaluated as the applications come in and the number of fellowships awarded on an annual basis depends on how much funds there is in the fellowship kitty. Over the years we have seen a slight reduction in that but we are trying our level best as an organisation to get our donors to realise how important and how critical this fellowship programme is to be kept going. So these are also reasonably high statistics that tell you how they benefited and what changes they managed to get out of being part of the fellowship. We have an event coming up in Yokohama. It's called our 58th session of our council 7th to 11th November but all our social media tags are on the left. You can find everything else through the QR codes. Please do take a look. Members only I'm afraid and observers. Let me say one thing. We have two advisory groups in the council at this point. A civil society advisory group and a trade advisory group. It is my dream also to create a youth advisory group. Bear with me. I've just taken up the reins of the organisation. Bear with me for a few months we will make it happen. Thank you very much indeed for that Sam. Wonderful. Excellent. Thank you very much for that. You can see from what Louis said earlier when they had 40 posts, 40 apprenticeship posts and there was a 10 to 1 overload in terms of applications 400 applications for 40 positions so people don't just want the AIs they keep saying the robots and all that as interesting as it is. Especially post pandemic people want to be connected and touch real things. Sequoia and other trees. I'll keep pushing it. Fantastic. Let's now move to Augustine Augustine Rosello and Augustine is president of the International Forestry Students Association. We're in your hands. Thank you Henry. Excellencies ladies and gentlemen it's for me an honour to be here speaking at COFO 26. This event will always stay in my heart as the first event I attended as IFSA president. I was recently elected one month ago and while I was preparing this intervention I started thinking and every time I started realizing how important IFSA has been for all of us for all of us that are here we can see IFSA members that are from the youth that has passed through IFSA and there were three main reasons that came to my mind. First it would be impossible for us to be attending these kind of meetings and this is the first one for example COFO that I attended but we've been at COOP we were at the World Forestry Congress we have a lot of representation and for that we thank a lot FAO we thank a lot of our partners UFRO for example that is also here Forest Europe, the European Forest Institute and if you want to create a youth committee then IFSA would love to take that responsibility but now a little bit of why they invited us to be here it's a little bit to talk about how we are working towards forest education it's a little bit of context we have a student run organization it has over 11,000 members from 130 universities in 60 countries and we have been developing more than 1,300 projects during the last year three highlights of this for example could be a three learning platform that we built in which we prepare mentors to learn to teach our students also to develop soft skills to learn about our world forest also some IFSA members have prepared impactful projects such as the youth called for action that we are visiting in this event it was developed mainly by two of our former members Erigatigel Aramil, representing UN MGCY United Nations former forest and also our former president Amos Amanu representing the World Forestry Congress youth agency for that also we thank Peter Choca especially for promoting youth and for taking us into these spaces but the main takeaways I would like you to take from this intervention are mostly that IFSA provides a network for students all around the world for them to be able to learn by doing and this is really important because sometimes we don't have the opportunity to do it and it is key for developing the capacities of the youth that are going to be the future professionals for the forest sector also that me as president and our fellow IFSA delegates that are here in the IFSA delegation are only just envoys of a movement that is running all around the world and that impacts either locally or also internationally and also last but not least that you, the experts, the professionals the country representatives, the organizations are the foundations that keep this movement going without your support none of this would be possible and only together we will be able to achieve our mission that it is fighting for a world that appreciates forests thank you Thank you very much indeed for that presentation on behalf of the International Forest Students Association I met your former president when I was in Korea so welcome to the post okay heavy is the head that wears the crown wonderful alright so let's now go back online and Vinamra Mathur is a regional director for Asia Pacific youth for nature Vinamra over to you that's me I hope you can hear me yes we can yes there you are wonderful so a quick introduction I'm Vinamra and I hold multiple roles I am currently doing a PhD in Malaysia Borneo and I've been in one of the lectures given by ITTO during my time at UNU share that in common with Sean and we're looking forward to collaborating further so in my role today I'm presenting youth for nature as the Asia Pacific regional director and just a quick introduction about who we are youth for nature is a youth is a by youth for youth international organization that educates empowers and mobilizes young people to lead and advocate for solutions both for the ecological and the climate crisis we are backed by science and grounded injustice we envision a future where communities will thrive with nature across generations I think something I need to make clear that we're not a protesting or advocacy group what makes us unique is that we're a group of young people from around the world that are specifically supporting each other to build our own capacities find community and access resource and decision making spaces such as COFO so that we can better position ourselves and the youth with us to lead on solutions and shape the future in a meaningful way by providing young people with resources and capacity we want to disrupt this idea of disempowerment and contribute to the global youth movement what we do specifically is be mobilized elevate and we bridge we bridge youth action against biodiversity and climate we elevate the voices of young people by providing them a platform and we mobilize decision makers to take ambitious action for nature and climate by 2030 next slide please most of our work can be seen in three pillars which is storytelling and capacity building as well as sharing within our capacity building pillar we aim to grow capacity of youth and young advocates for solutions rooted in nature and justice we have supported over 42 global youth in parts of delegations such as the COP27 COP26 as well as the IUC and World Conservation Congress a few of us were also at the World Forestry Congress I hope we've had met in person before next pillar is storytelling and storytelling is where we collect and amplify useless solutions while we provide tangible support for youth to scale up their work on the ground some of our work will be highlighted later at COPCO please do check out the Faces of Forestry event and you can meet some of the young minds and speakers who have kind of put their work together in highlighting how forests can be beyond what traditional forestry is and how big the need for young people in those voices are what our priority outcomes are for the next year is basically we want to establish the foundation youth for nature as uniquely positioned to deliver on regional specific youth led work while providing a global multifaceted network we recognize that the necessary pathway to follow to succeed must include well-equipped and dynamic youth leadership and collaboration in all spaces from the community which will help in global decision making we are at the forefront of putting youth action and enabling young people that would be my three minutes thank you Henry thank you very much indeed for that Bin Amra excellent thank you very much indeed okay and then last but by no means least Maria Chirella manager of mentorship and youth programs at Project Learning Tree Canada and you're going to go to the podium okay thank you yes please thank you all right hello everyone it's wonderful to be here today and among wonderful panellys and keynote speakers my name is Maria Chirella I am the manager of mentorship and youth programs at project learning tree Canada and initiative of the sustainable forestry initiative I do want to acknowledge that I live on the traditional territories of the Songhis, Esquimald and West Sandwich people whose historical relationship with the land continues today so I'm really excited to share a little bit about our agreement or program and some of the successes that we have seen over the past two years and inspire you to consider mentorship as a tool to invest in the next generation of forest leaders so mentorship isn't necessarily a new concept in fact many of us have probably received mentorship in our lives either formally or informally at the root of it mentorship forces relationships and transfer valuable knowledge from one generation to another in the forest sector mentorship can help establish professional relationships and support creating a more diverse and resilient workforce through mentorship employers can also share insider knowledge to help bridge employment gaps and help youth learn the soft skills to get and succeed in a job and of course for employers it's also a great way to recruit and have access to a new talent pool so since 2020 over 530 people have participated in PLT's green mentor programs creating meaningful and long-lasting relationships for young professionals and advancing their career pathways in a green mentor program for young professionals are matched with established professionals in the sector we use an industry leading algorithm that helps us match mentors and mentees based on their personalities their interests and more and mentors and mentees are expected to connect two to three hours per month for about six months and are actively working in the mentees career goals furthermore mentees participate in career development workshops each month to support their mentorship journey and so I wanted to share an example of a cohort that we did earlier this year with the World Forestry Congress in this cohort we had over 100 participants from 37 different countries and as a result of the program mentees reported that 93% of them got a job or advanced in their career because of their mentor that 88% of participants built a great relationship with their mentoring partner and that 88% of participants felt inspired to work or continue working in the forest sector because of the program and so we keep hearing from mentors and mentees how beneficial mentorship is and so I encourage all the young professionals here today to seek out mentorship and for folks that are in hiring or management positions to consider starting a mentorship program because mentorship is a great tool to invest in the next generation of forest leaders thank you thank you very much indeed for delivering that presentation on behalf of PLTC Project Learning Tree Canada now we were due to have a Q&A normally at this particular point in case you have any thoughts, any questions any queries that you want to put to our panel we are running way over time because we started late sadly so if there's anybody who has one very quick point of one very quick question make it good then please let me know raise your hands oh yes and please let us know who you are I can't see can you put your microphone up doesn't work we'll get a microphone to the gentleman please please make it very brief very briefly thank you Mr Coordyn thanks for the panel as well but we always see this recommendations about increasing resources for young people to get more development and training but I wanted to ask Alexander and Elaine in your survey did any of the young people you interviewed to tell you that where did they get the resources to do or were unable to get resources to do further development thank you okay Alexander you can respond briefly to that yes yes it is in this report actually really access or limited access to educational resources or resources more broadly about career development was mentioned as one of the bottlenecks where we can do much better so that indeed is something where we can do better thank you very much did anybody have a question for one of our young panellys here let's have a look do we see any no no questions okay well I'm going to ask a question of you Maria first of all what is the vision really for your youth initiative moving forward and what do you think it will take to achieve this vision I want to continue mentorship we know that it works and we're really excited about what it could grow into I think for us it's just really important to continue to connect with your friend organisations and see if we can partner we also think that this is a great way to encourage more young women to get into the sector at least in Canada right now there's only about 17 to 18% of women representation so it's really important when we talk about gender tremendous and Augustine let me ask you what attracted you to this sector it's a difficult question but I have always been it's a very important question because there are lots of Augustines out there who think their future is in robotics or something like that so what attracted you no for me robotics doesn't work I'm not linked to technology but well I started actually I felt by accident like Elaine was talking it's something very common that we've seen in the association but once I started seeing what the topics were when I started going to the forest in my career that made me fall in love with the forest starting to make me start to want to spend more time there to keep it to work for it and then I started meeting all these different people that were searching the same outcome so Ifsa has provided that community that I didn't know it existed and all along the world so for me once now it's no chance that I would choose wrong very good thank you very much indeed Vinamra how much impact do you think you're having at youth for nature thank you Henry for that question overall we feel like we're creating and uplifting all of these marginalized voices and being able to connect young people to go into spaces which are technically they're shut out from or they're not being able to access due to funding or opportunity so we have a network of over 200 global ambassadors who are able to access such opportunities and the impact can be seen throughout storytelling and the true capacity that we've built tremendous and sham you've only just taken on this post as executive director of the ITTO how will you know if you're delivering this rich inviting diverse sector that's going to attract all these young people into it how much time are you going to give yourself before deciding whether you've succeeded or failed Henry that is a loaded question I have worked in tropical forestry for nearly 30 years you didn't know that right so in terms of taking up the leadership of the organization of course my main priority now is to forward the aims and the objectives of the organization and we can complement what the organization has already achieved over the years it's a tremendous organization I'm not saying that because I'm the ED but because I've been involved in tropical forestry for over 30 years I see the potential the forestry sector now particularly the tropical forestry sector there are so many opportunities that we should actually be optimizing on it has become the center of international fora it has become the center of international negotiations it's become multifaceted it's no longer just trees going on a place of land it's no longer that maybe 40 years ago that was the case in the last two decades it has evolved so much it is a valuable resource and the young people are the custodians for the future we need we need skilled and committed young people who actually love working in forestry not because they've been pushed into it I was never pushed into forestry I walked into it voluntarily and I found you you found forestry the forests were always there but you found them and I haven't left it put your hands together for our panel put your hands together for Sham Sakuru yes Maria Quirella Minamra Mathur Augustine Rosello and Louise Simpson panel thank you very much keep your seats because I would now like to invite the people that are getting on famously already even before the wine canapé en volevant but in Italy it's not going to be canapé it's going to be something even nicer wonderful so thanks very much to our panelists I would like to introduce our final speaker Mr Ross Hampton chair of the advisory committee on sustainable forest based industries who will provide some closing remarks you can keep your seats if you want over to you Ross thanks Henry and it's not a speech so don't worry I know we are about to have round food Henry and round drinks but the reason that ACSFI your advisory committee on sustainable forest based industries was really pleased to sponsor the event tonight and the rectangle downstairs is the rectangle it's about the place that we will all meet it's about the networking opportunity that we want to provide to you I could have prepared a full list of all of the scholarships in the industry and run through them with you you'll be pleased to know I decided to go down there on the seat and I thought just what I would want to hear if I was you and listening to me was and I'm in the last stages of my career and many of you at the beginning is well what did you do how did you actually get to be a leader in forest industries and so I thought I'll just do that very very quickly and I'll do it in a way that you can recall pretty hopefully you'll be able to recall this so I do need a volunteer a little tip if you are public speaking always do this because the audience is then really interested because you're probably going to fail miserably at what the next stage of your talk is and everyone leans forward so I need to know if we've got a Beverly or a Bevan here tonight I'll take anyone in the booths I'll take anyone online okay therefore this is where it gets interesting I'm going to say you all know Peter Peter can you put your hand up please Peter's now volunteering to be Bevan because I need you to remember when you see him around the corridors that he's really Bev the reason I want you to remember that is because I want you to remember B-E-V because when I was your age when I was able to join Elaine's fantastic sounding group the thing that I wasn't was brave and I reckon the people up here are brave and online you're amazing I just couldn't have done that when I was your age but all of you and I bet you're not nervous at all right so the folks have been presenting today there's been no nerves at all but it is something you have to be if you really want to take those steps forward in your career and it means taking opportunities even when you think they're a bit too big for you and winging it sometimes the second in Bev in our nickname for Peter is probably no one can probably guess it you've got to be an expert now that sounds kind of daunting because you're at the beginning of your career you're not at the end of your career and so you think well what do I have to do a PhD or a masters that's not what I'm talking about what I mean is you've all got opportunities in whatever you're doing to become better at it and that means the things that are the soft skills as well as the hard skills even for example a lot of your in FAO I presume you have the soft skills of actually knowing how this very bewildering place works someone like me comes from Australia and ends up walking out for a coffee and coming back at five past five and having to shake the gates trying to get in and thinking I've been abandoned on the street but if you know how FAO works that's just a little thing but you know how interventions work you know how plenaries work you know your way through the labyrinth out there these are actually skills and one of the things I say to young people in our organisation is you may have other chances to go elsewhere in your career and sometimes you really will want to and if you want to be an author like I really do I still haven't finished that book I've been writing forever you might want to change career and do that but if you're just having a bad day at the office think about it hard because the longer you stay in a general sort of area the more of an expert you're going to be and the more rewarded you'll be as you go through your career all right we're up to the last letter anyone can guess it we actually it's been mentioned a couple of times this evening I think Elaine actually even said the word visibility that's Peter's last letter bev visibility COVID's not being good to the young people in our sector I think because of the lack of connectivity in the office the lack of personal engagement and time together and that internet is not your best friend and and those zoom meetings or teams meetings when you keep your camera off it actually may be better if you're in your onesie I get that or if it's been a really big Sunday night but actually it actually takes away from me people like me who might have a whole lot of people we're trying to engage with it takes away something from our interaction the same goes for not being in the office so much and the same goes by the way for choosing your background on your team's call probably you've never heard this before but if I ask you to think for a moment about the director general or about politicians about senior people who have who do calls out through the internet what do you see behind them you don't see a Scandinavian sauna or a palm tree you see something that means something it's trying to tell people something about them about what's important to them it's not always possible I get that if some of you are working from bedrooms or kitchen tables but if you think about what it means what do you mean in your presence in the workplace it also means you're more likely when people like me are rushing down corridors to be the person who's remembered and then said well I suddenly need someone to accompany me to cofo so that person's been terrifically visible in the office we know they can do the job they've shown that they've got the ability and you'll get extra opportunities at least that's what I would have told myself when I was more able to join for YP than I am now so I directed that really Henry to the younger folks in the audience but I hope everyone who's like me is on the other side of that threshold is listening as well because we have to be there for these opportunities for our people coming through the sector we have to be the ones who Henry and the footy wrong right kick him the soccer ball sorry Henry not after the goal and ask him to carry it back for us but three quarters of the way down and then as they mature and you know kick it to them a bit early see how you go but be there in support be there ready to help them with the training that they need to take it a bit further look for them I've asked them to be visible you make sure you see them I've got to make sure that I see them and I don't just get busy with the chief executive things that I have to do so what are we calling Peter from now on Bev so we're going to have a drink and a mingle and you're going to have the chance to be visible thanks Henry, thanks everyone very much a brave expert who is visible excellent thank you very much indeed Ross Hampton chair of the advisory committee and sustainable forest based industries now thank you very much for being with us don't go anywhere yet because we're going to move the chairs away