 Anybody here for a public comment or inquiry? No. All for the launch. No. Anything that's not on the agenda tonight? None. We'll move on. Jose's first appointment. Are you ready to go, Jose? Or are you going to wait another 15 minutes? I'm just going to sit around for a second. Did everybody get the hand up? It should be an EVE. Yep. Pamphlet there is orange and black. All right, see. If you're all set, Jose will take you right up here. Well, I got so much information that, you know, I don't even know how to start, but I put a summary together as far as what's been done and that's basically the first thing you have in your package there and, you know, the, all the steps that have been taken and the grant and the out-of-pocket that the town would have to do for this level two versus level three and all that and it's, I don't know if you have a chance to read it or you want to go over it, but nevertheless the 2.2K out-of-pocket, you wouldn't have to, most of it you wouldn't have to because we have money and all that. So basically, I just want to start with the energy committee. There's a lot of new faces in the energy committee. There's several people that have stepped down. And the, you know, the new people are very data-driven and I like them quite a bit because of that. They think, you know, initially it was kind of like not that data-driven, but these people are. So the first thing they did was, okay, I'm going to wait these charging stations and they did that and they came up with numbers. So Jose, I'm really sorry to inform you, but 75% of users charge their vehicles at home. 30% charges at work on the level two because level two's are called destination charges. That's how they're called. Basically, you go to a hotel and you go skiing, whatever, a place that you're going to spend a long time and then those charges are nice because they can charge, you can charge a lot. And to your question, 50 mile radius, how much they're charging? If you go to Killington, you have an electric vehicle, you can charge for free. If you go to Barnor Inn, if you have an electric vehicle, if you stay there, you can charge for free. So there's a lot of establishment that do that. It's like an attract, just to attract customers. There are other ones, though, that charge. There's two main vendors, the EV, GO, FGO and ChargePoint. EV, GO, ChargePoint charges $1.50 an hour and ChargePoint charges $2.00 an hour. Level two again, no level three, level two, okay? There's some of them, downtown Burlington, you'll see them, downtown Montpil, you'll see them, those two types, okay? So then the community said, okay, so where are we going to put them? Where are we going to put them in Bethlehem? Do we have a place in Bethlehem that people would come in and visit like the ski resort or, I don't know, like the law school? Well, the only place that people would do that would be in the workplaces, like school, jewelry plastics, et cetera. That would be the only place that makes sense for the 30% of the EV user that uses the level two charger outside of home. Right? You guys follow me? So they said, okay, fine. Because right now, Bethlehem doesn't really have a nice, how do I say this, a touristic attraction, okay? We just don't have it yet. We may get there eventually for another three or five years, but right now we don't. So people, when you come to Bethlehem, unless they come to work, there's five, three or five hundred jobs here. You know, GW has 250, Vermont casting has 30 or 40, et cetera, et cetera. We have 400 or so jobs that are definitely there. Most of these people commute. There will be candidates. And the nice thing about the electric charging stations is that they give the user, potentially the user, a way of justification for buying an electric vehicle because they are not going to have this right range of anxiety that most of those of these people have. So basically, unless we're going to have a transformation in Bethlehem that would have people coming over here and staying here somewhere and level two charges where we're going to put them. That is the dilemma we have here, because we have a tight spot in the downtown area. You would have to sacrifice two parking spots. We would have to maintain light illumination. I couldn't find the illumination charges that you asked me to. I don't know if you were the one who did that, but you guys wanted to know how much. But I know from Parisa's data that the town of Bethlehem spends about 18,000 or so dollars a year for the lights because that's the only expense that you guys cannot deduct from the green maple arrangements that you have. So most of the electricity in Bethlehem is taken care of with the solar PPAs that you guys are taking into agreement with. But not the lights. We're still paying 18,000. So I took about myself to count the lights. There's about 100 of them. So if you go downtown, go less, I brought to you about 100. So these are about 180 dollars a year per light. So if you divide it up, it's about 50 cents a night per light. So every night, Bethlehem pays about 50 dollars to light their streets. So if we put an electric station, it requires light. So it's going to require that expense. And because I asked the grant people, even so far people are doing it. The charged, the apex people, one of the people are doing it. They're putting it where there's a light already. They don't want to have that expense. Because nobody wants that expense. It's probably so far. So I said, well, is there a way that we can have... And another thing is the grid. The grid is a problem because that's why we're not pursuing level three because the demand and the capacity of the grid is going to be maxed out with these days. Because even to this day we pay surchargers. I don't know if you guys have seen that on your bills, but in GW we pay a lot. But there are basically, when we're drawing power from big periods, we're going to pay a lot again. So we already have that. So imagine having level two's and level three's everywhere. There's going to be a point that is going to be... The grid is not going to be able to take it. Especially now with the solar icing effort. People are putting solar panels in it. In fact, we're involved on that. That charges the grid. That charges the grid. And with that, I have another quote from Solving All Those Sessions. This quote that you guys, Greg, I really put it in your packet. It's a standalone, no permit, no grid issues. It's a generator in case there's a power outage from California. You can take it off and store it away in the winter. Because it's not good for the winter. I forget, you know, the worry about the grid and all of that. And it is a futuristic design concept. But then again, where are we going to put it? That is a mix. Unless we have a plan, unfortunately the planning commission took away our planning activity with the PRI. We're going to get together with the citizen and create what kind of town we're going to live in. Create parks, modes of transportation, et cetera. We would have maybe proposed to buy property somewhere. Maybe for broadcasting, big building, abandoned there. Maybe, you know, we'll acquire about a half a million dollars to buy half of the property. Put trails, people will come, park their cars, walk around the trail. It becomes like a tourist attraction. But I just wanted to bring it up where we are and open up for discussion if you have any questions. I've been looking into it quite a bit. I mean, it's kind of like, for me anyway, there's like kind of two halves to it. Like the first half was, you know, we put together the energy committee to look at, you know, these types of activities. And the charging stations was one of them that we had talked about since the beginning. And it has been a plan that, you know, we've had all along and, you know, have put a little bit of funding aside for it. But just kind of looking into it right now, I mean, I still think it would be a great thing for the town to have. But looking into some of the numbers now. So just numbers aside, you know, if you look at, you know, the initial investment really isn't too big. You know, there's $2,200 plus the light is your initial investment. But then you do have, if you break up your five years worth of fees, you know, you have about $2,000 a year worth of money that you would have to pay for that charging station alone. You know, keep the software up to date, keep the warranty on it, you know, add another $180 on top of that for lighting, you know, things like that. So there's an investment there every year, which it sounds like from now that, you know, before we were talking, maybe we would recoup some of the money with some of the charge offs. But if a lot of people in the area are doing it for free, it would help why someone didn't want to pay $2 an hour to charge this here. But now the most difficult one is now the state has planned in 2020 to put a rest area here off the exit on three, where they plan on doing 22 charging stations. So it's kind of at this point, it's like, well, why do we have a charging station if they're going to have 22 of them right off the road? I don't, and I was trying to get some more data and I failed on it. I was making calls today trying to get some data like, you know, where the charging stations is a state plan, does that free service will have like these paid pass things? How is that going to look like? But I wasn't able to get enough information for the meeting. So I don't know if they'll be, my guess is it makes sense because, you know, people can park there, commute by bus and they can have their vehicles plugged in for eight hours charging their vehicle, which a level two charger, you know, works for that. Can I point something out? I got some numbers here if you guys want to get into the charge things like that. The one thing that I didn't mention is that the $150 per hour or $2 per hour, after four hours, there's a significant surcharge because they want those guys out of it. So if the stop area, if those guys don't disconnect, they're going to pay. So I don't know. Yes, I don't know what it looks like. What it looks like. Yeah, I don't know how it's going to look. I don't know what the plan is for that. Other than I do know they're playing on 22 from what I saw, 22 charging stations and that. Test lights, free, you know, if you have test lights. But again, the other thing is that if you have, one of the particulars, if I could say electric vehicle, that's why the project was born is because the grant and the comprehensive energy plan already identified transportation to be one of the biggest opportunity for fossil fuel reduction. Because we're getting a lot of heat pumps. People are getting more efficient weatherization and all that. But as far as fossil fuel consumption, transportation is like the biggest, you know, opportunity. So the electric vehicle is the response to that. But it is not the panacea of all because just because we're going to replace every community car, it's not going to be the answer. It's going to have transportation. In fact, you know, walking, if you walk a mile or less, walking is more efficient than driving a car. In the summer months obviously, in the winter obviously you don't want to do that. But, you know, so all of that, biking is more efficient if you go two miles. You know, now if you drive a truck for work because you're a farmer or something, that's crazy. But if you're commuting, if you place it, you know, going to work, I don't like to give up your school, whatever, then, you don't want to think about that. And like I said, most of the jobs here are commuter people. And if you put electric chargers on that stop over there, that rest up area, if you're a school teacher or a GW employee or a remote casting employee or a Bethel employee, you're not going to need your car over there to charge. You want something here that you can charge. You need to, you know. And the other thing is, the idea of plugging your car at night is like, earlier last year we had an event with, you know, with a town. We brought some electric vehicles. And they were saying, I don't understand why the people have this idea that, you know, because I spend less time renewing my car with energy than you because you got to stop at the gas pump. I only had to lose, like my phone, I plug my car and I forget about it for a week. So it's like, it is a mind shift that is going to become more and more prevalent, you know, with the young generation and the people who are, and the transportation level, which is because they will be. And that's why, that thing that I'm presenting to you, that is kind of like the future because, you know, you're not going to be, depending on your car for everything in the next five to ten years. Right now we just can't think of being without a vehicle. But in the five to ten years from now, that's not going to be the case. In fact, we've seen that in European nations. A lot of people in Europe, they just bite. Do they understand, okay, if I'm going more than less than two miles, why am I going to bite? We just bite. It's a lot quicker, it's cleaner, it's better for you, all of that. So that's, I guess I'm just, you know, you know, my thought at this point is, you know, do we move forward, you know, obviously one is to move forward with the plan and then see how that works versus the other charging stations we have in the area. We do have to be, you know, cognizant that, you know, there's about twenty-one, twenty-two hundred dollars a year in costs that we'll have to put into the budget yearly to maintain the facility. You know, the other option is to wait for the state of Vermont to put theirs in and see how that may or may not affect our plan and maybe just delay our plan until after that's built. You know, then we can get maybe some more data off of that, you know. I'd like to just make a counterpoint to something because I said earlier it actually interplaced with what you were saying a moment ago, which was, I recognize what you were saying about most people in this area. This isn't a destination, but there are a significant number of people who have been working in Bethel and are here for four to eight hours of the day. Our business is actually intending people to come and spend time in Bethel and I think that's some of what we're trying to build in Bethel and so just saying that there's no one that needs a charging station here that's actually going to be here for a longer period of time. I think that's actually not valid. The other, the counterpoint to that, so there's, you know, downtown but then people who parked at the White Church are taking the stagecoach and they're leaving their car for half a day or the full day. You know, and I think your idea of GW plastics or even the school, to me those are also viable places where a significant number of people are going and then they're parked there for a period of time. I guess I see this and I hear what you're saying Chris, if the state puts something in down by the highway but I still see Bethel as downtown Bethel or even the greater downtown Bethel because having a potential clientele that isn't, their needs aren't met by being down by the highway. They're needs are met by being here in town and I see this as an opportunity to either lead the way or not lead the way and sit back and wait for somebody else to lead the way and then kind of like catch up. You know, and I fully recognize and I think it's important that we weigh that, you know, like you're saying the extended costs that it's, you know, about 2000 a year out of the talents pocket but is the greater benefit of being on the forefront of these things that our state is in, our state is mandating a push for these sorts of things and to be able to highlight those as, here's one more way that Bethel is pushing towards the future and then I think it's a bigger benefit than just what the cost is, I guess is where I'm going with this and I think there are larger clientele than just commuters and I think there are people who physically work here or even live here that might very much be interested and might invest in electric vehicles if they had an option. How many people making 10 to 12 dollars now is going to be able to afford it? You know, that's, people didn't hear I'm making 30 to 40 dollars an hour and to be able to drive one of these is the average working person that's going to, you know, they don't have the extra money for that. I just want to add three points. I agree they're expensive, however there's a lot of incentives that bring the cost down very competitive to a regular car. In other words, tax rebates, et cetera. How do they relate to that? You know, the tough position that we're put in right now is, you know, we're trying to seek out alternatives, you know, but it comes with the cost, you know, and certain areas can absorb costs better than others. You know, so I guess we just have to play that trade-off of moving forward and not moving forward and saving the cost, you know, and what's that trade-off for our town. Is there any data available on how many vehicles are in town and what are the vehicles? I don't know. I thought right now we have one vehicle that can move from Burwich and charges on this workplace but I don't think there's anybody right now and putting a charging station downtown to your point would lead the way but we would occupy two spaces and are we ready for that? Are we ready to just charge forward and say, you know what, this is the future and at least the two spaces that we're going to dedicate and to your point? If we put those, let's say we, let's play this scenario. Let's put two spots. Let's say the charge of a vehicle says, I hear what you're saying. Well, somebody's gonna pay for it, but just hear me out. Let's put two spots and we start charging $2 every hour. Okay, that's basically the goal in charge. If a car, you know, if an electric vehicle parks there for four hours, we're gonna get after the 10% fee, that's another thing. Theresa asks, credit card, what happens if a person buys a credit card? Well, it's all taken care of because the charge point company charges a 10% fee for the transaction. So the town of Bethel gets 90% of whatever the money is. But if we get $2, if we charge $2, we pay $0.15 per kilowatt and we've got a 20 cents fee because it's 10%. And that'll give us for four hours, $1,500 a year. And five years will be $7,920, which will recover most of the $5,000 warranty and $5,000 of communication. That was another question. Just for four hours a day, five days a week, we're not talking seven days, we're talking four hours, we'll recover $8,000. If we were to leave the way like that, for five days a week, 20 hours a week. I got the numbers here if you want to see it. So I think when we, you know, moving forward with this proposal, I think we have to balance it between costs to the town that we know because there is no guaranteed revenue. I mean, the revenue isn't guaranteed. We could put it in and it could never be used. Or we could put it in and it could be the hottest spot in town and everybody uses it. So I think like to make your decision as a board, you know, there is no anticipated revenue, you know, or no guaranteed revenue. What there is is there's guaranteed costs. And I think we just have to, you know, if we decide as a board to move forward with this, then we're just assuming that, you know, we have the upfront costs with the grants. And then yearly we're going to put in our budget $2,000. Now, maybe that ends up being nothing, you know, or maybe it ends up being $2,000. But I think we have to base our decision on that with the hopes that people are going to use it when they do come. And then hopefully those costs. Do you want to point out? The first five years, no cost. No cost. If you put the station where there's light already, no cost. So the risk is that after five years of having those things there, there will be nobody there that will never have an electric vehicle and nobody. So we're talking five years. So after five years, hopefully there will be somebody there that parks for at least four hours. You would think that in five years showing the growth of the electric vehicle fleet and the amount of push that the states and everybody is doing, there will be five years from now somebody that parks in there for four hours every day. And obviously they go for more than five, four to four, eight, ten, twelve. The numbers go up tremendously, you know. But four hours a day will take us to almost a cut-even number. Five years from now. Because from here to five years, it's free. No charge. Everything is part of the grant. When did we have to have this? We have to make the decision on this? No. When's the drop-dead date on the grant application? I believe it's April 13 or something like that. But it's going to be a revolving grant until the 2.7 million are spent. So it's not that we have to make the decision right now. I'm not saying that we should, but if we are not sure what to do at this point, we can wait until it's not like we need to make a decision right now. So I'm not just a little confused. You said it's no cost for the first five years. That's right. The grant will cover the warranty. It will cover the computer software. Unless we do, what about, unless we do online? If you do online? And I don't know how much cost to install a light, but I know it's going to cost 50 cents a night. Right. On the average of a hundred lights in Bethel, $80,000, that's basically what we're talking about. We didn't talk about it like that, because I think originally you've been saying the spot closer to here, but there is a light closer to where the bank spots are that's existent. Correct. Because then you were talking about the bank giving up a couple of steps. Yeah, that's actually going to be redesigned. Probably where you're talking at the very, very end. We'll talk about doing any cap there. I'm saying even in a little. Take this button. Does it take four hours? Is that the average time that somebody is in one of those spots? Well, four hours is what gives them 80 to 100 mile light. How long is that? Is that summer or winter? Every day. I read a article the other day that the Lithium battery we got now, only by 41% of their total capacity during the winter. The old cars, they're not good in the winter, but the new ones don't take care of them. Is GW up there putting one of these in? We're talking about it. I'd like to see that there first to see how it works for them. Personally. Maybe the school. Yeah, the school is out there charged for just getting free. Well, I'm sure if GW put it in, it would probably be a free, when they probably do it for their four years. That's a good question. Well, the school, that's another question I had. The school wouldn't be free. They would have to pay a 10% match. Unless you guys allow us to take the money we have in your bank account to buy the school. I don't know if that's a lot. Theresa, I wanted to answer that question. Because there's money that we got for a grant, but if we got it for you guys for the total profit. So could we use that money? Otherwise they would have to pay. I already approached them and they don't want to put up any more of that budget because they got a lot of heat from South Royal especially because the South Royal attacks went up. So they have the hands full. They don't want to spend anything right now. They want to wait for next, when the budget is over. But they're positive to the idea. But they would have to pay. We've guys gone because the work we've done so far. But they would have to match the 2.2K, whatever. I know we talk about costs quite a bit. I know there are some of us that are pretty sensitive to costs as well as the energy committee was put together in order to explore these alternates for the town. Electric charging stations or solar or other methods. So we really have to, you know, that means the way, you know, maybe a little heavier than the cost of it. But it shouldn't be the only portion of our decision too. So I think we do owe it to Jose to make a decision as a board when, you know, moving forward with the project or not. You know, again, this, you know, the energy committee was formed to do exactly what Jose has brought to us, which is, you know, this is one of these many steps that the energy committee is looking at doing. You know, it is, you know, in the grand scheme of things, you know, a $2200 investment up front for five years. You know, I mean, we've seen this town, you know, lose a lot more money in a blink of an eye. But this at least would go towards a, you know, worthy cause to start with. It does give us five years worth of time to see how it's going. And I'm sure at the end of five years, if it wasn't being used or wasn't being active, we could probably be commissioning it, right? So we could think about that. I mean, all along we've been talking about it as a committee, you know, as a slug board, and we have put aside the money to do the upfront stuff. We would just have to be understanding that after five years, then there would be costs occurring back to the town if we chose to keep it. Well, let's think if you choose not to keep it after five years. Well, you probably have some sort of cost to remove it. But some dismantling costs. You might have some way of selling the unit or, you know, if something, I'm sure there's a way to do it. So what are the chances that the grant doesn't come through? Or we don't get what we're looking for? Unless we put it in a place where, you know, there's no way that those are being used, like not a destination spot, like some crazy place, or, you know, the chances of that grant don't come through are very minimal. If we put it in a place where there's a potential of use, that there's people that go there and basically it's going to promote the use of elected vehicles, the grant will come through almost about 99 percent. So can we put together a plan to present and get it nailed down where we want to have it? We've talked about having it here. We've talked about one at the White Church, maybe, you know, come up with a plan that kind of nails it down. Okay. Yep. You don't have a little something to be able to take a look at and tell us whether or not it's going to meet the criteria. Two or three places? Two or three scenarios? Well, no, just, you know, let's settle on what we think in form downtown is that, you know, that that's going to be utilized up to there or one at the White Church and one here. Just settle on to something and we'll plan together based on that. Yep. If these go in two different locations, is there at cost to it or is this assumed to put them both in the same location? So we would have to have two different grants. Yeah. So I think the way this is set up right now that the units would stay together. Okay. So they go to the White Church and they would go to the White Church. Yeah, each unit is double-sided. Yeah. Two. You have two ports. But in other words, four parking spaces? Two parking spaces. Yeah, one unit double-sided. So it's just one, yeah. So it's got to go in one location. It's got to go in one location. We have to occupy two spaces. But I mean, I think at this point, you know, if we ended up putting it here versus the White Church or vice versa, I mean, I don't think that's going to matter on the grant and the things. I think what they're going to do is they're going to look at the map of Vermont when they're dealing out their money and say, oh, there's a large concentration of charging stations in this area, but there's not so many here. So maybe these people will get a little first dibs on it, you know, type of deal. But the way I've been, I've heard that it's pretty much like carer money funding and stuff like that. First come, first served. You're almost guaranteed to get the money up. But the town has committed to their part for the grant process. Yeah. Just like a lot of grants that we write, they want the town, they want somebody. Be committed to that when they get it. Of course, on the other end, if we don't get a grant, we don't do the charging station, you know. So it kind of goes hand-to-hand. In fact, there's a knowledge out of the station about privilege situations. Unlike what people here, South Royal Town, they already have one. So we are still awesome Randolph, I think there's none. So we would be obviously privileged or, you know, put us on the front. I don't know how to say it. What's the right word? I mean, I think, you know, I've been a proponent for, you know, mainly just because it's one of the duties that we have asked the Energy Committee to do for us. So I think the only thing that just kind of took a little wind out of my sales is when I heard that the state's getting ready to put in 22 of them up on the interstate. So I'm like, well, you know, that kind of hurts a little bit, you know. But, you know, at the same time, you know, the grant money's there. You know, we've already put money aside to do it. I don't think that having them out there in the center would stop someone from coming in the back. I don't think so. Just create that many more dots on the screen, you know. Well, we're already seeing an uptick on a, you know, on a day-by-day basis during the weekdays that the parking lot, you know, it's not every single day, but it's more full than it's been over the past year or two. And I think that that's kind of what we're doing is, you know, we're leveling up what Bethel's providing, and this is one more element in that. And it becomes enticing to people whether it's, you know, their decision to buy a vehicle or not or their decision. I mean, you were saying you didn't really know about people in Bethel. I know you elected vehicle owners in Bethel and all of them work from home and they charge at home, but if they had a space that they could come to, you know, they aren't a block as a space, you can come and work remotely and charge your vehicle, right? I mean, there's sort of that hand-in-hand. You have to provide both elements right now and if I can do that as well. It would be a way to regenerate income as well for the town of Bethel. If these things take off, we would pay the light bill. Optimistic, of course. You don't want to be optimistic when you make a plan, but, you know, if these things are used by, you know, say, 8 to 16 hours a week, we'll come up with maybe 13,000 or so, you know, and that's almost as much as it is. So the electric charge, especially with pay for the lights, will be almost free. And the explosion of the electric vehicle, you know, population keeps increasing the way it is by the possible. We might have 16 hours of charging time somewhere in Bethel. So do we have any of the board members that need more time or information to make a decision or are we prepared to make a decision this evening? Dave? I'd just like to see, you know, a plan of where is it going to be, what two spaces, you know, something even more definitive, but no, I think so. So other than the exact location you're getting moving forward to, then right? No? I mean, anything for the granted? Well, yeah, you've got to have it basically. I mean, if we're going to try to get a couple of spots from the maskoma, you know, we need to make sure that it's going to be a favor for them and, you know, have something that's what I see. Would you come back to us again, assuming we give the go-ahead, would you be coming back to us again before submitting the grant? Absolutely. I think it would be good if, somehow, we can incorporate it with our existing lighting and not have to install any new lighting, you know, either put it, you know, if you do end up doing something like the White Church, you know, somewhere where, you know, you know, you're not going to be able to do anything about it, you know, you're not going to do anything about it, you know, you're not going to do anything about it. If there are some lights there now, you can be incorporated with a door in this park more, you have to be, you know, in around one of those lights. I think the power, the power is closer to the Light Church, too. Easier to get to it because there's all pavement out here. Yeah. And one last thing about, I'm not going to push the throttle, but these aren't hot at all lights. The ones that are great which you put around them, they meet the grant requirements. So, one question, which type would you like to move on? The run-of-the-mill, off-the-grid, or these guys which are more technologically advanced, et cetera, et cetera. Do you want to see a platform hold? This guy's 85,000 miles, right? 70 something, yes. Yeah, it says... Yeah, 70... 85k for a level two. 24,943 dollars. Yeah. But the grant will cover 90% of it. We would only have to come up with 7,000, which we are in the budget, we have in the budget. I mean, I would say that we would want to stick with the unit we've been talking about and take advantage of lighting. Yeah, lighting that we have for now. I mean, I haven't been in that. So you guys are open to this concept, I thought right now. That's what I'm hearing. You'll be open to this concept later on in the future. Yeah, down the road. It may be an option for the places where there aren't lighting. Yeah. But we'll stick with the low-hanging off-the-grid. So we take a vote on that? I make a motion when we go ahead to have OZ proceed with putting the plan together and get it back to us. That's basically location. No, location. Any other details? Additional work that we've got to be done for putting the plan on. All in favor? Aye. Okay, so if you don't get your grant started and just press back the footprint of where the final station is going to go. It's hopefully great as far as the time where I'll be with the agenda. Could be the agenda. Maybe next meeting or maybe a month or so? Yeah. We'll work together. Thank you very much. Thank you, Rosé. I think so first on reports, motions and ordinances. We have the water disconnection slash the bait last bill. I believe that that was a discussion about that last morning. Right, so this was a discussion at our last meeting where we had somebody who had a home trailer or whatever that has been vacant and it's probably not a habitable and they're asking to be disconnected from the system. And during discussions last meeting I was asked to do some research at our ordinances to find out what that looked like, how that was going to work. The reason why I brought this back tonight, I just want to kind of fill everybody in on what I found in our ordinance. First of all, there is no stipulation in there that you have to be connected to the water system if you're within people or whatever. That's not in there. And the two terms that we've kind of been throwing here are used as basically the same thing in our ordinances. One being discontinued and one being disconnection. So that was kind of I think our talk last time was what is disconnected? What does that actually mean? What defines that? And though I think it brought up the idea that disconnected and discontinued was basically the same thing. If you're shut off in the curb stop you're disconnected from the system. There is no language at all in our ordinance about what there's nothing that verifies what discontinued or disconnected actually is. So one of the reasons I brought this back is I need the water to measure as you all to what we need to talk about how we're going to resolve this issue. I don't see anywhere in our ordinance anywhere that allows for a disconnection taking somebody off the system. Other than it says that you all can if there's a if there's harm potential harm to the system as a whole somebody's got a cross-connection or whatever we can do that. We can physically disconnect them from the system. Or well we can disconnect them from the system. Again in terms are used kind of as a same thing. There is no definitive steadfast rule as to what is disconnected. So what we need to discuss is do we want to move forward on some language in this ordinance that talks about the actual physical abandonment or disconnection whatever we want to call it that would allow the town or somebody to physically disconnect from our system. As of right now I don't see anything in it. Now as water commissioners it does give you some leverage and some freedom to do sort of what you want and the best interest of the system as a whole. So if you felt that disconnecting this physically was the best interest of the system we could do that. But I will tell you from from my perspective it's never a good idea to take somebody off the system. We need users. We want those EUs so that we could grow our system the best we can. That's kind of the reason I brought this back. This may be a weird circumstance. I know we had a house that got kicked down there on South Main. They, that place is not a habit and so we shut them off. They've been shut off on the system and they're disconnected inside the house but they weren't disconnected at the road which would be kind of on our side. So you've got from the main to the curb stop which is us and then the curb stop again is the homeowners. So they are disconnected from the curb stop again but not in between them which is what a real disconnection is. There's no real there isn't the basement of the house. There's no physical on our side but we agreed that they're treated the same way. We did. They're basically off the system from a financial standpoint. There's no charges at all. So what's the difference between that and the one on Cherry Hill then if the house is unhabitable there's this one down here is condemned. Right. Right. So it's not just abandoned basically. I don't see a difference. If we could if you can prove that the house is unhabitable and we know this I mean it's been it's been kind of unhabitable. They're just saying it's unhabitable. Right. But again and best I mean to me best business practice is to not take your potential customers off your system. You want to leave them on that. Now they're they can see you. Yeah. Yeah that's what they can see you. Yeah. That's the bill Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So people are asking are they asking for a they don't want to They want to they want to be they want to be they want to be they want to be disconnected from the anything anymore. So we no longer even have the availability of water. We're not going to pay any that's that's what I understand. And they want their last quarter bill right. Which was which was based on the vacancy rate. The one on South Main Street, so we did move forward with disconnecting it from the system, basically because the building has been condemned on structural issues. And the owners are not going to move forward with redoing and rebuilding that. But the abatement on that was a little different where we didn't abate their whole bill, it was just a partial from when it happened, from the period of the emergency on. This one here, this one here we went in and shut the water off, but they're on vacancy right now. So there was no... Which follows our current policy. There was no real emergency event that triggered us to, you know, want to credit money. Why didn't we shut off the water to the, shut off the water to that trailer? I don't know, my guess is that they requested it. That there wasn't anybody living there. So they went on vacancy. So they can go on a vacancy rate. They said somewhere in here that they had it disconnected in the fall of 2017. 2012 it says there's been no water since Harold's passing in 2000. Well, it's been vacant since 2012, but we shut the water off in 2017. Correct. You're going forward saying the house was in an habitable, right? No. Okay, so as far as we're concerned, or as far as I'm concerned, they got paid there. Until they can prove the house isn't livable or move it there or whatever it is. And I also, we brought this up last week. I'm sort of at the same mindset that you were saying, Greg, we don't necessarily want to lose users, but we brought it last week if they really want to be fully physically disconnected from the system and they need to incur that cost to do so, but it should not be on the town to incur that cost to then take any greater loss of money. Which is something we are clarifying in there, or this, because there's nothing in there right now. Oh, so that's basically what you're asking of us, is either put that language in or... But what's different with this landlord, this current landlord has the option and the ability to have a new tenant there, where the one that we did take off the service did have the option because the building is wrecked. It's basically vacant. You know, condemned. You know, vacant cans. So this one has the potential to have somebody there, but they don't. So looking at it and talking to Greg, it seems like that fits more in the vacancy rate, which they're on currently. Now I guess the other exciting point is that they came in and they moved that trailer off of there and that was now a vacant lot. That would be a different argument. Possibly classified as a reason to disconnect that. But if they want to sell the property, there's a lot more to the water available in the eight years after that. So section three of that page that you copied for us. The overventing property served by the public water supply is responsible for the payment of all fees, rates, charges of water service rendered to the property, not to the structure, right? Not to the house or the trailer or whatever, rendered to the property. Well, you're right. Once connected to the water system, the owner is obligated to pay at least the fixed cost of such service. I mean, so in a lot of ways, that is in there to say if they want to be fully removed, complete, disconnect from the system. That availability of water cannot be there. Right now the water is available. You just have to pay for it or not. But they would need to pay to do the whole removal of any connection from the system, which is really different. I mean, I think in some ways the language is in here to say that we're providing water to the property you're obligated to pay that. And that's exactly what we base our agency right off. Is that right there? Yeah. But there needs to be that next step, possibly. What do we do if somebody wants to completely abandon it? I call it abandon. That's what we call it in other places. Abandoning that water. Well, I think... The physical disconnect. You're taking that water off of that. They'd have to pay to disconnect it from the main. They'd have to take out the pipe going to their shut off. They'd have to go back straight to the main at their house. But the tricky part about that, though, is that whenever somebody comes in and they want a water service to put in, we, the town, pay from the main to the first stop. And then it gets picked up from there on out. That's where it's a little tricky. I mean, I think at this point with that, the property in question is if they wanted to get to a complete shut off, then they would have to probably move forward on their end to dissolve the structure and the assets of the structure completely. You know. Show that nothing is going there. And they have one or one tube shut off. Right. Well, and if you're interpreting the code the way that I think we are, yes. Yes. That's a good question. But I would hate to do that. I would hate to make sure I have the water over too. I mean, it's quite a lot. It's a long, long line. And anyone, so we just don't want to lose water to users. No. And it reduces the value of the property, like you said. There's a lot of things we just, I would rather or not, do. I don't know if maybe the idea is to put in some language and maybe clarify what the conditions have to be or what the terms are in order for somebody to disconnect or whatever, not pay at all. That means that it's a vacant lot. And if it's got a structure, it's an uninhabitable structure. I don't know. That's maybe a way to go with this. Well, it may be using the language you were saying. Abandonment versus vacant. Disconnect. Because I think that's where it gets. Right. But an abandonment is a physical disconnection. You can. Disconnect and discontinue. Yeah, because they're using all of those ways. There's one paragraph where they use both of them in the same context. We should probably work on an amendment towards the definition of the two words. Yeah, we need to include this entire ordinance, honestly. In the meantime, I guess I would move forward with the saying that the water would stay connected and the vacancy rate be applied. So the second part to that is I'd like to have some sort of an approval from you to go forward with the policy in the interim while we're doing the ordinance. A policy that talks about what the qualifications are to be what's the word we should use. No longer paying any fees at all. Right. What the actual service. Yes, what that looks like. So that I've got this happening at the end. At least I've got some criteria there. Well, I mean, I think, you know, like Linley and Moe over there have been talking about there. There needs to be some sort of physical separation by the homeowner, right? To be paid for by the homeowner. I think of what we've been looking for from language in there. But the South Main Street, I mean, there isn't physical rights connected on their side. But it's not on our side. And usually you want on our side because that controls. Right. I mean, I guess I see because there's was an emergency situation. Right. Maybe it's adding language in, you know, amendments could be made in the case of emergencies because they're a case where they're looking to sell that property. If somebody tears down that structure and builds something new, the water's there. And they're going to reconnect to the system and they'll be going again. And there's a reconnection fee already. Right. A reconnection fee. $25 value. Right. Exactly. It's that magic. Let me have a look at that. Yeah. It's the same situation with the charity. Yes. We could take that out and put it in another room. All right. So I'll come back with a, if you're okay with this, come back with some sort of policy that talks about kind of what the criteria is. Definitely claim that. The house is unhabitable. There's been diversity in it. You know, there's damage to the structure whenever. I'll bring something back to you that we could at least get and the policy kind of in place. And definitely define a couple of those terms. Yeah. Well, that'll be the whole work of this change. Right. Define the terms and I think also figure out the responsibility of the disconnect, you know, who is responsible for the disconnect. Yeah. And while we're at it, we might want to make the commitment to the reconnection. You know, I mean, for some reason, everything in this town was $25. That's what we always chuckle here, $25. Because it was the magic number, I guess, for a while. Now, if it costs our employees out there $400 to make the connection, then maybe it ought to be $400. Maybe we can, maybe, you know, you can talk and figure out from the guys how long would this take and what would that cost. Just the parts themselves. A core-by-case basis, depending on... Well, a core stop and a curve stop are $8500 a piece. They're left free, so they're probably $120 a piece now. So there's $250 a piece there, plus you've got these plastic lines that doesn't take cover, so it's not too bad. Everybody might want to get to $25 and have... Yeah, right. The line itself is only about $500, so that's only $5. We might want to just figure out what that cost is. Yeah, I think so. Cost to reconnect. What was it? So conditions on what allows for disconnect, cost to reconnect, increase, possibly... What else? The definitions for... Discontinue. Yeah, discontinue. In my little brain, discontinue and disconnect are two completely different things. That's not to me. Discontinue, we shut the valve off. Disconnect, the valve goes away. Yes. Yes. So let's define the term. But right here it says... The floor of service is discontinued for the frequency of payment. The municipality may follow the procedure of all the law. As required by law, any request for payment and or disconnection shall be mailed at least 14 days. So it's all kind of... It's been used in both ways, I think, in both ways. So it's used in this. In our word, it's actually used... Disconnected used as shutting the curve stop off. I mean, not stopping the water flow to the service at all, which is, I think, what we're looking to look at. Do we need an amendment on this abatement? I mean, do we need a motion on this abatement? I do. Yeah. I hope that we vote whether to abate or not this property on the 111 Cherry Lane. So the property is currently big-billed on a... Vacancy rate. So you can make the motion to keep it as is. Yeah, continue on the vacancy rate and not to abate the water. Whether or not the water is big, some of us might have water. Right, yeah. So... So here. So I'll entertain a motion to not abate the water on Cherry, 111 Cherry Lane and to keep it on vacancy rate. Second one. Okay, all in favor? Second. Okay. Is it there? Yep. Okay. All right, we have fee schedules. Yep. So the interest here, if you have any other questions, but what we... As you and I were looking through this and Dietrich had been working diligently on getting some of the programming for the pool and classes set up, all sorts of things. She's been coming in a little bit on the side here and doing some work. And during that, we found out that after we finished our fee schedule that we had missed the group fee. So we defined a family, I believe we called it right, a family pass. What does it define as? It's six people, two parents and four children. Right, and that's a daily, that's a per day purchase pass. Right. Right. So what we were missing from this was large groups. So, for instance, I think the school. Summer camp. Summer camps, the grade school. They come in and they want to have a large group of kids. Well, they were being charged all over the place. Or not at all. Or not at all. Or not at all. There was absolutely no random reason as to how they were being charged. So we looked at how much we thought it was going to cost to have a certain size group, kind of what the thresholds look like for different staffing sets. And I think we came up with four dollars. The proposed is four dollars per head. Three dollars. Three dollars per head, sorry. And it's a group of seven or more people. So in most instances, I think the three dollars per head will pay for 40% or so of what the cost is to have those people. Larger and larger groups, where that threshold is not quite, where it should be. Because every so many kids, you have to have another lifeline. So if you're kind of in the bottom end of that, you're making money. If it's the top end of that with your kids, you're getting more lifelines. So I think we ended up saying that we thought on averages it's going to be like 25% of the cost, right? We looked at these large groups. Because we had averages here of 70 kids. How many was it? 50 or 70 kids per group? No, last summer our largest groups were like 40. Well, Bethel Elementary came and they were 100 and some kids. That was just for one day. But the weekly groups that would come when the season was open, I think the largest group we ever had was like 40 some kids. So I think what we did, we took the average of how many kids in a group and how much staff we needed. The overhead we had and figured out how much $3 was to that. And it was, I think it was 25% or lower. So we're not making money. We're not making any money out of this. So this also, and you can speak this better than I think. We did some of the research, but as far as the other communities around here, I think we're on par with them. You want to tell us what you found there. Yes, I looked into, because we didn't have a baseline. There's no history of, nor did we have any record of any set rates in the past. And some groups were being charged $10 per head for as many times as they wanted to come, just $10. Some groups weren't being charged any, even though the cost was still, we still had to have staff and chlorine and all of that. And so I looked at several pools in Vermont, what Randolph charged, what Waterbury charged, what some of the bigger pools up in the Burlington Williston area charged. And, you know, $4 to $5 was the going rate for a lot of groups per head. But because we have never been consistent in a large group rate or had a large group rate really, Greg and I decided let's play it safe and start at $3 because some groups are going to say, wait a minute, you've never charged us this before. Well, and they haven't, you know. But some of the groups that I've already talked to that have used our pool consistently for the last several summers, I just said, hey, giving a heads up. We're talking about a group rate this year. What that is I don't know yet, and they all understood. Claire Martin Center, EVA, one planet, they all said that's okay. You know, we understand that you have costs. So $3 is kind of where we decided to start with the understanding that doesn't even begin to cover the cost of bringing these groups in. But, you know, the pool's never going to make us any money whatsoever. So it's just kind of offsetting what it's going to cost to have guards. The American Red Cross says we have to have one guard for every 10 children actively in or around the water. So I'm very, very, very strict with that. I just, I think it's the more eyes we have the better. Then you have to have at least one relief, right? Yes, you have to have it. Right, and then I also like to be there because when you have a big group, I want to be there overseeing and support for the lifeguard. So that's five, six people that you need to have on staff. So that's what we're asking for is just this amendment to the fee schedule. This is the only thing that's changed on here is the addition of that. So far. So far. I'm not doing it. I've got to get the brochure to print, so. Very, very far from the law. It's still coming. It's still coming. I have a note. I know exactly what you're talking about. So I'll entertain a motion to commend the fee structure as laid out. So moved. Second. All in favor? All right. Thank you. As long as Gray is going to keep going on. I know what you're talking about. Yeah. Next, we have the Homeland Security Grant. Thank you for already working on this. You're welcome. I love doing it. He's already got the whole Friday night thing all the everybody, everybody's set, right? I just need a second half of one evening, but we've got Darden helicopter coming one night. We've got Vince coming with Raptors one night. We've got, I'm not going to, I'm not going to tell you all, but you don't have to come. Come and see for yourself. So the next thing here is a grant. I'm going to treat some, and the chief have been working on this grant to get some, it was like a swift water rescue equipment. It's, there's basically, it's a free grant. There's no master this. We just need to have more approval in order to move forward on this application. So. Move to approve the grant. All in favor? All right. Thank you. And select board meeting minutes from the 28th. Yes, we had a, I have two. I get two, but I haven't been here. So I don't know what to refer to. Does the scanner have an issue? No, not at all. We had a scanning issue. Is it double-sided? Some of it got double-sided. Some of it got double-sided. I realize that this is the back half of all the past ones. That's why we brought those. I didn't realize that. That's the full minutes. If you're not going to approve the grant now, anybody want to look at the minutes from the last time? I wasn't here, so. Yeah, it's just the, whoever's been electronically, it's the second side. The odd pages. Even though it's in the print. Could we come back to them so I have a second to read it? Sure. Sure. We'll go to the town managers before. How's that? No, I think she's just going to take the phone. Okay, so my report is in your packet. Just a couple of little quick things here. So the municipal roads general permit. That's new. The state came up with this idea that we all had to pay for a municipal stormwater permit, which is fine. It's a fee, whatever. But what comes with it is we're required to do a full-blown erosion inventory. And we did one of these a couple years ago, but it won't work because it has to be on their format. I'm going to have to do an erosion inventory come spring. I started working on a little bit. I'm actually trying to kind of take what that person two years ago did and use some of that information. But on every hydrologically connected road, which I'm not even sure how many of those there are, every section, every segment they call it, the segment is roughly 360 feet or something like that. So there's a ton. There's a two or three page report that I have to do for all these. Within a block or a sheet? Well, there's a map that is available. Two rivers has a map. The state actually has a two rivers. But there's a map that shows all the segments that are hydrologically connected. Basically what we had to report two years ago. Pretty close. Yeah. So I'm referencing that. And I'm going to the report we had done and hoping that most information is still valid. I'll have to validate it all because I'm using stuff that's two, three years old. But it's just going to take me, it's just going to be a lot of work. So if you hear me complain about it, that's what it is. It's what it's due by, I want to say it's due by September 2020. So I've got some time to do it. It's going to take some time. So I've started working on that. So if anybody asks, if you hear anything about the municipal rose general permit, you can cuss at it because it's something else. Tim had his, I assume it's annual. I think it's a annual inspection from the state. And he got an excellent rating on his plan. As a matter of fact, they told him that it was basically his plan as the example that they try to give everybody as to how he keeps his plan, the cleanness of the plan, how it's all in order. He's got the records in order. So he got an excellent rating on that, which is fantastic. You were saying that it's like the first one you got in 2016? Really? Oh, they were completely impressed. Did they give any type of like plaque or award or anything like that? Not that I'm saying. Maybe something to get out into the public eye, if possible, on the Facebook page with a picture of him, maybe add a plant or something. Keep it out there. We definitely hear a lot of negative things about water and stuff in the town. So that's a positive thing. That's a great idea. So kudos to him for doing a great job at that super plan. Plowing is going as it's going. We've had some equipment breakdown like we always have. And we deal with it. We have the one ton back. It was just a garage. We have the one ton back. So hopefully we'll get through one more storm and then we'll go back to the garage. It'll be gone. It'll be gone again in a couple of days. The plan, Allison, the plan is to get through this storm and then get the greater back out and start leaning back. Some of these ditches get the snow back off the road. It's an issue. He's aware that it's an issue. But they're doing the best they can. I think they're doing, you know, I've heard a lot fewer complaints from people this year. I think the new person is really working out well, having that extra person there. And we're going to do, we're doing some experimenting with how to reduce salt by using other materials and things like that. So we're working on some stuff that we're hoping to come with you with some changes that might benefit us financially and otherwise. So the bill will do the property. We're moving forward on that. So Mary is working right now. She's doing some, trying to collect some money from people. She's going out and trying to do like coin drops and things like that. Not a coin drop. But she's, you know, she's talking. She's got quite a few people. She thinks that that might be willing to contribute to this purchase. Steve Libby, we're meeting with him. I'm meeting with him on Thursday, I believe. He's with the River Conservancy. So we'll be meeting with him to kind of look at exactly how the grant is going to look. Because they're going to be writing all the grants for this. They're also working on getting the appraisal done. That's the first large step in this is to appraise that property and that puts us in, at where we're at and we'll know what number we're shooting for from there. So I should have more information for you here in the near future about how we look up the grant. And if we're going to be short or how short we're going to be or how that's going to work. Like I said, Mary is doing some pretty hot, heavy fundraising right now. I think she's going to get quite a few people that are going to be interested in purchasing this property. But I will be passing on more information when I know of it. Depending on else, if you have any questions, I'll be happy to answer them. Oh, just, sorry. No. For everybody out there in TV land here, we have the salt buckets out on Main Street. It's to help with keeping the sidewalks free of ice. We've had people taking advantage of those. Not only putting a lot of salt on the ground, but we've seen people with bags taking the salt home with them. So, you know, everybody has to pay for that. It's not, that's really not what it's meant for. That's just expensive. There is a shortage of salt throughout the whole state. So, if you can conserve it where you can, you would greatly appreciate that. And I just wanted to piggyback onto the winter maintenance. You know, talking with some of the owners in town, you know, it seems to be, you know, correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to be very, very positive on, you know, on the maintenance of the downtown area. Both snow, you know, we've had some very large storms that in the past probably would have taken us a week or more to remove snow banks that were gone within 48 hours maybe in some cases. So that's been very good. One thing I do want to point out, and now that the town has really, you know, stepped forward in regards to the maintenance of the downtown, especially during the winter time, we do need to get a little bit of buy-in back from some of the owners in town. And the only reason why I say that is the last few storms that we've had, we've had, you know, large droppings followed by very cold temperatures that create, you know, runoff from the buildings onto the sidewalks. And all the buildings, if you go up through, except for this building on the corner here, I can't remember who owns the building here, this first floor on the corner, all the other buildings, the sidewalks stay pretty clear. But the building here on the end, Lang's building, the last time there was so much ice built up on that sidewalk because all the snow runs, you know, all the runoff. So if you get a 10-degree day that the sun is shining, the snow is melting, it's falling off the roof, and it's instantly freezing when it hits the sidewalk, and there's, you know, mounds of ice. To the point like one day I wanted to just like put some cones and ribbon it off and say, nobody walk in front of this, because it's, you know, we're out there doing the maintenance, you know, and I'd hate for somebody to get hurt. You know, because probably the liability would come back on us, even though it's, you know, an owner's building that, so I don't know what we need to do. I think at this time, we really need to go back to some owners and talk about, you know, stormwater runoff of buildings and about collecting that and keeping it off the sidewalks. Yeah, and you've got, you know, typically there's a system on a building that would run it to one location and we figure out that they're out to get across the sidewalk now. I don't, I think it's probably been part of the issue on those, that it's just rolling like straight down as opposed to being channeled somewhere. Yeah. The runoff doesn't seem to be as great on the other buildings because either the roofs are pitched more towards the river, and there's very little, well, not this one here. Not this one. Yeah, the other one's mostly pitched to the river, and then you just have the small units in the front that drip on the sidewalks, but this one on the end, you know, half of that pitches on this side here. I don't need some sort of stormwater catching system to reroute that water back to the opposite side of the building, but it's very icy. I watched from people one weekend and I came to the, you know, that we're trying to walk through in there. I wanted to, like, put some gong back in and say gong locked in. So after we had a talk, I had Morgan, I let him know that it was a gong, and I also told them that the speed in there on the buildings is out and on town, doing some shoveling and salting. So I told them to watch it, too, so we got it. But we could put as much salt and sand on it as you want, and if it keeps melting on them. Right, but if we're a little more diligent about it, you know, sometimes if you catch it in Florida, it comes up a big deal. But we're doing a, you know, I just want to point out that the town has stepped up things downtown, and I think at this point we need just a little bit of trade back on some select building owners, and I don't know how best we solve that issue if that's sending that one building owner a letter maybe, you know. I don't even know if we have anything that's even enforceable, you know. Right. But I think it's probably being direct with who about it, because I think one of the issues with that property isn't just the snow coming up, it's that after Morgan goes through and does the initial clear, all the other building owners have regular traffic, so they make the point to really clear it, and that building doesn't have regular traffic, so they're not prioritized. And that's a big connector sidewalk. It connects right up to your site. Well, your sidewalk is like it's in your place. It gets salted, but then you come out, you salt it, too. Well, we're clearing the even after Morgan. Right. Now that Morgan gets what he can, it just doesn't. I see what you're saying. Yeah, so I think maybe just press it correctly and if it doesn't get better, then we'll be fine. We can have a discussion of adjacent property owners to the part of maintaining their own sidewalks. Well, I just wanted to throw it out there. I mean, the town definitely has been night and day this year versus last year or previous years. And I think now there's a little bit of a trade-off I'm trying to work through some of these things. See, in the past years, it's been bothered because it was the same way all the way through. Right. Well, also that building was used until fairly recently. It's not used. It was there all the time. But it's such a major connector sidewalk to go up church streets. Everybody that walks into town walks through. And it's a blank corner, so you don't really want to get a road. I don't know what we can do there. I would think addressing it initially with the building owner before you make it a larger thing with all the business owners, but then if it doesn't resolve that way, yeah, it's more of an argument. I don't know if maybe you can track down the owner and just... I could do that. But everything seems to be really good. Usually this time of year, if you just go down the hardware store, they'll tell you, you know, usually all the customers will tell you, oh, well, I was being taken care of or not. And everything's been good, so... Yeah, I've been living here for thousands of years. And River Street Bridge, which I'm very grateful for, because in years past, you couldn't walk on that sidewalk for weeks after a snowstorm. And I can still walk my dog, so thank you, thank you. Well, there's one of the guys right there who can take one of the guys. Thank you. It's one of our rovers right now. You're not here to play on it. No. Just easy. Any questions? That's all I had. Sure. Can we please have the minutes of January 28th, Andrew? What's up, though? Okay, no favor? Okay. Very good. Very well done. Very well done. Especially in the second row. It's quite the little winning streak we got going there. That's a turkey. It's a turkey. It's a turkey. I didn't want to cloud it too much on the console report, but again, I'm just getting a little confused again. I know we talked about ticket-wise, like if it had a number on it and that meant we wrote a ticket. Yes. But now I see numbers on it and then there's notes next to it saying like special incident. So what does that mean? Does that mean the ticket didn't apply? You know, I'm just a little confused. Well, I'll work with him. I'm actually working with the guy who created this software for this. I'm actually just going to contract with him. You'll see that eventually at the next meeting probably to just start doing work orders for my row crew. And he's putting together World of Beta subjects for this new software that we've got. A little spider there, I think. It's the same guy that uses this, that produced this and created it. But we'll be using it for the work software and the ideas to see what I can get out of this too. We can get more on this and get some more clarification for it. I know it's available. I know it's in there to done it. We can. A nice thing about using this guy is that it's not there. It's pretty quick about creating something where you can start using it. So, it sounds to me like you need more clarification. Do you want to know, what exactly do you want to know? I mean, what the essence was? FTCB. So, we don't know what the acronyms are. Because I know we talked in the past that if there was a, like, instant Massachusetts plate number, blah, blah, blah, that that meant because you put the license plate number down and that that was given a ticket. Right. That was the understanding. And if it didn't have that, that meant there was another, you know, circumstance in which he didn't. But then I see some this time, though, it was a Vermont plate, you know, 45 and 25. And then it says special incident. And it was, you know, so that means no ticket, you know, or... So, do you want to know what the offense is? Well, I thought he said Well, that's what I'm wondering. How much he can understand, but... Special incident, I mean, somebody had been to the hospital. Right. Somebody believed in the vaccine. FTC. Well, I would just assume at this point that if it was a special incident and he didn't have to give a ticket, then why is he giving the other information? Why is he giving the 45 and 25 with the license plate number? Well, he gave him a ticket, you know. Well, a special incident is just an item that dropped down. Because then down a little ways there's a Massachusetts plate here with the plate number. With FTC, with no mileage, or with no speed. So does that mean that... Yeah. I don't know. I'm just looking here. And I only got the same... I got the same exact one twice, so I don't know. It's a real struggle. I got the same one twice. And let's say it was... I was just one two-sided. Oh, one two-sided? I got two two-sided. See, I didn't get anything. Nothing two-sided came through. You got two two-sided? Yeah, but they were both the same. Yeah. Oh, both the same. You got four one-sided. All right. Tax sale information. Everybody get there. Did everybody get both sides of the list? Yeah. Okay. I got half the... That's all right. I talked to... I have copies today. Yeah, I talked to trees today. You were 13 all together, right? Yeah. Well, there's some that wanted redeem. Two were redeemed. Two redeemed. There you go. Well, they still have a year to redeem the other ones. So March 19, at one o'clock, is when the tax salesman takes place. That's the town office. Okay. Now, where is this posted? All this stuff. Just on the website? No, we posted it. Let's see. I think it's in the clerk's office. I think we posted it. It's in our office. It's in the clerk's office. And I think we posted it. I think it's in the library. Teresa's also sent it to real estate agents and different identities throughout the area. Yeah, she's got some people that have asked to potential buyers. Banks, real estate agents. Legally, we posted it, but we were just post to post it. And she contacted many other people that might be interested. Is it on the website? Obs check. You can't eat if you could put a link on the website. Yeah, I don't remember if it is. It's not on our Facebook. We didn't put it on Facebook. We could link it on the home page. And I'll look at it if we have it on our website page. And then the next thing I think you've got is the budget. The budget. I got delinquent tax. Yeah, here's the tax sale. This is the official bill for the tax sale. Yeah. So this is the delinquent tax. It's delinquent utilities and tax. Yeah. And it's written in there who has an agreement who's going to tax sale. I still can't believe in the past some of these delinquent taxes. You know, some of these go back five, six years of paying taxes. You know. Oh yeah, I know. It's pretty high figures on utilities too. What's happened? It's pretty high figures on utilities. Yeah. Well, and it's a little bit off because those are up to date too. So those include the current. Some of the currents are delinquent. So, you know, we're not really at that point now when we're looking at getting an agreement or anything like that. Yeah, you're right. But it's actually, it's coming way down. It's coming way down. Both taxes and utilities have come down quite a bit. I think it's actually, you know, in the town court, she put a section there that explains percentage-wise what we're looking at. I would tell you that the page it had, the people that, the names for delinquent utilities, last year it was a page and a half, and this year it's about that. Amazing. Yeah. That's amazing. Now, it's good that we have a handle on it now. It's just, you know, I was looking through this this weekend. Like, there's one account that's $60,000. $58,700. And the length of taxes over. Where did that, I mean, I watched that. Seven years, you know. So, that just, just huge. That one blew me away. And this was a large property that was, you know, $9,000, $10,000 a year. I hadn't seen a $10,000 one last year. Why did we ever let that get that far? Well, some of that $10,000 for five, four years. But the rest of it looked pretty good. The rest of it looked good. Any questions? Hopefully we get an input. She went to see that, you know, whether it's a tax sale or an agreement or see something that actually went with it. It's too bad because there are some in there and the tax sale that are there hasn't really come in. Well, at least the good thing is that she has, you know, a majority of that, you know, agreements in place that she's working on now. I mean, it is a pretty large tax sale list for the size of the town that we have. But, again, it's been years. It's been as we've done. I don't know. Well, it's the last tax one that we've had, I guess. Oh, what's the case that one, maybe, when it first started or something like that? Yeah, I don't know. By the time frame? Like in 14, 13, 14. I was going to say it's probably been about six years. Yeah. I don't think there was much. Yeah, I don't think there was much. I don't think there was much. There should have been more, probably. So, other business to come before the board? Anything else? I did, on my deputy health officer hat, I did follow up with the ongoing complaint that we had this Saturday and went through the check sheet and got that all set. Copies are all set and both parties will be able to pick them up. I gave them the break today, so they'll be able to pick them up this week. So, that's been taken care of. How was that process? Yeah, just being the first time that I've done one and took a little bit of time. It's just, again, like I was sharing with the board. You would think there would be better templates to assess the repair phases of issues. You'd think there would be a template saying, you know, if it's electrical need, you need to fix it within this period of time and the state doesn't give you that. It's left up to interpretation by the health officer that's doing it. So, what I may deem 30 days, someone else might deem 90 days. Or, there's not really a fair process. There are a few things that, if you do see certain violations that immediately you have to address. It can open up to negotiations. So, it's tough because then you want to try to enforce that with penalties, but it's not a very easy process. The website doesn't really help you out much. There you go. So, fun process. Anything else? I'll make the motion and read it here. All in favor? All right. That's a short one.