 talking about before and after I showed you this mug before just right after it was thrown and I'm going to put a handle on it now I don't trim a mug I just run my thumb along the bottom and make it tidy and it just kind of undercuts it a bit you can sponge it making it tidy and I like to add a little bit of sponge or my handle is going to go and score now this is a six and a half inch throw this is a six and a half inch handle tidy at the underneath and I was that little bit of moisture if you're bothered by that the mug would hit 2200 Fahrenheit it will be clean I'm just going to put it wiggle it into the scoring support with my thumb put the bottom in making sure it's straight not off to one side of the other make sure they're lined up put some personal thumb touches smear it in and sponge it tidy making sure you got a good negative space sponge it tidy and before and after with handle rinse and repeat now belly mug is just that she's a I call it a she she has a belly button and a backbone and this is a regular belly and this is a tall belly if I called her a big belly it would sound rude so what I want to do is before it's ready for drawing is I'm going to tidy her up I've tidied up her backbone it smoothed it off I've taken it over there it's not really a butt crack it's just the end of her spine and I've tidied up her belly button I don't trim mugs I just run my thumb along to take off the excess clay along like that so here is before and this is after and she now she's ready to dry before she goes into the disc they've been taken up to 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit they are bisked and they are waiting to be glazed I'll show you that after through this is after it's glazed and before it goes in the kiln it's washed waxed and witty for firing you'll see it in a bit here now these are the mugs we've been talking about from the get-go this is the one I cleaned up this one put a tall mug put a handle on the tall mug those are the bowls that were part of the table and those aren't Paris but they were a part of the fire so this is after the next stage is shipping them out and this is before they're in the store and you'll have to go see them at Blue Rock Gallery in Black Diamond for the after