 I'll take the chair all there and I'll take the other chair all right sit over here this is yeah well this is just ours needed or want to call on well that's what we're going to do what we'd like to do is get this our issue or six foreign policy questions in order down first for example the year ahead how do you propose to rebuild a working relationship of the Soviet Union and revive meaningful meaningful arms well I think we can do it because I think frankly those negotiations and are as much value of the Soviet Union they aren't anyone else probably more important and I have to point out that all this talk about the supposed to strain in relations people look there's almost an inference isn't it for us that somehow it's laid out but we didn't kill some Russian citizens by shooting down civilian airplane we tend to conquer an adjacent country to ours the and we didn't walk out negotiations and not give a date for when they would be zoom there is a strain that it has not been caused by us I think we're doing just the absence of offer pop from the picture we're under certain circumstances you might change of course bottom is effectiveness relationship well I still think we can't do everything we can to continue to deal with them and resolve any problems between us and I think the biggest problem is peaceful and I think I don't think they want to confrontation we do but the great the accent dental possibly hangs over when there's this much no power on tap in the world and hanged across the ocean at each other we're going to and our willing we'll be at that table when they decide to come back better negotiate a good thing we have never broken off communication we have it several continued and we're ready and I I know the abstinence must have had their side but I believe that the Soviet Union has more to gain than we are anyone else does in taking changing the situation and in effect then joining the family of the nation as trading partners all concerned with peace and this is this is what we're extending Joe question number two that's about the Middle East I think the main concern is about Lebanon you think in 1984 it's going to be possible to withdraw the Marines and will it be feasible to do that only if and when a stable government is able to unify that country is that the only circumstances in which you see them being withdrawn well yes and it goes but not only our Marines the warm of a national force the moment national forces there was a part of of course our whole idea bringing peace generally the Middle East area are helping but there was 11 in the way and remember that time they rude itself being shelled from every direction they had asked to be serious to come in and help keep order because the government of Lebanon virtually non-existent the moment national force areas where the Israelis but the thing now is the change in serious position even after a request from the Lebanese government to withdraw they have refused they're still there now we believe that the purpose was the multinational force with the withdrawal of the other foreign powers and then the bringing about of Lebanese government which has created the re-instituting of the Lebanese armed forces and we have done a fine job of training there and they quickly have a good and a solid force maybe needs to be some bigger than it is but it is a good and a well-trained force in its behavior performed well the idea then was that the multinational forces the other and as the Lebanese moved out toward their borders to the control and stop the international fight was that the multinational force would be behind and in areas like they maintain support because the Lebanese military couldn't do both and this is still the goal and I think with all that's happening we're overlooking some of the progress that's been made now all the people even those that are presently hostile at Geneva all agreed to recognize the Jamal government as the government legitimate government of Lebanon so that progress has been made as I say with their military has been brought up to a capability it did not have before and I think progress has been made but we can look forward to this but it now hinges on particularly Syria is the stopping block in its refusal now after it had once agreed to leave and said that if Israel left it would leave and I don't say that the multinational force has to stay till all those forces are out I think that even if it was assured that they've already given assurance and they're going to go start the process I think we can do the same question three and this is related to some extent with a prospect of continuing terrorism terrorist attacks how can the United States respond particularly when such attacks are inspired or sponsored by governments but one of the hardest things of course is to prove that they're sponsored by them for example these groups that are taking credit now that have the Iranian connection well there is a faction of Iranians that believe in a holy war do we have the evidence that the Homeini has spoken a number of times about advocating the holy war in the Muslim world and back to these type of fundamentals so it's hard not to believe that he must in some way instigate or at least edge on those that are doing these things but as for terrorism the the importance is not to be turned back by it it is a worldwide threat as we know the threat is right here in our own country it's every place in the world I said the other day and I believe this that one of the things that can establish government's responsibilities is if terrorists are claiming triumphs when they do these terrible deeds and acknowledging what their goal is that they then have a connection with some country then I think it's up to the government of that country to join in trying to curb and control that if some of our own terrorist groups such as just bomb the recruiting station if they were there that's our responsibility to corral them and find out who in what they are and bring them to justice but the same is true for all the other countries but the one thing we can't do is what so many people even here in our own country are advocating in the face of the terrorist attacks against our forces as well with a terrorism succeed in his goals then the world is going to find itself under the control of the terrorists you have to stand against that and not let it succeed but what do you do if the government government is actually responsible to say possibly for instigating it you can't ask that kind of a government to assume responsibility but then in those cases I think that the world civilized world has to get together and see what action they can take and this does not necessarily like action but those things that those pressures that can be put under government to say you start taking some steps to control this or you'll be a little outlawed in the rest of the world can I just go on you're going to China in the spring I just wonder what in your view is going to be necessary to develop closer relations with China particularly in the strategic field and do US ties with Taiwan in your view inhibit that process no I don't think you do I know that the people's Republic their government figures are uncomfortable with this position of ours but we have reiterated time and time again to them that this is a long-time friend of ours these people were and why we have never made any claim that we've recognized that there are two claimants to the government of China and that is up for them to peacefully negotiate we can't cast aside one friend in order to make another and we have proposed the argument to the people's Republic representatives that they themselves should take some comfort from that because it's assurance to them that we would throw them aside to make friends with someone else I think we've made great progress I know that sometimes they have to speak out about this other issue but our trade relations the very thing of extension now in the area of high-tech all of these things represent milestones and successive steps in improving our relations and now with their head of their government coming here I am going there in this way they visit here we're going to find those other areas where we can improve and increase our relationship culture exchanges things of that kind all of this I think is on a good track we've made we've made some gains good fifth question what strategy does the administration intend to pursue in Central America looking to flesh it out is it to underwrite the government El Salvador indefinitely and a Nicaragua to settle for nothing less than the overthrow of the Sun in the East Coast well our policy Central America is regional and this is very much what the count of door process is we're supported with their efforts what they're trying to do now the El Salvador government here is for literally the first time in 400 years a government that is trying to achieve democratic ideals and practices and policies there be set by Cuban and Soviet backed insurgents who don't want that kind of a guy they want the old-fashioned idea that we've seen for the last few hundred years and that is if you have a revolution it only is to exchange one set of rulers for another set of rulers and for once we've got a government there that says no this is to be a revolution to change this type of government but at the same time that they're fighting against this potent enemy they're being harassed from behind by right-wingers who want to go back to the old concept of government over the people not by the people so there is government itself we shouldn't be blaming that government for not being able to deal effectively with these rightists when they're be set by this other force I think that the thing that is dragging this out frankly are the limitations placed on our aid by the Congress it's almost as if they're saying well we'll give you just enough to let them bleed to death slowly what we really need and three-fourths of our aid is economic and social reforms and the other 25 cents out of each dollar is the military what we need is the kind of aid to let them accomplish the job and eliminate this left-wing guerrilla force that is the principal enemy attacking them and at the same time find out wherever we can and point to these behind-the-scenes things that are happening from the right and where they need help in how to deal with this that we should help them in dealing with that and this was one of the missions that the vice president performed when he was there this last time and I think some progress has been made in with that regard but we shouldn't let those rightists keep us from doing what is necessary to do in ending the war that's going on that's for El Salvador now Nicaragua no it doesn't take the overthrow of that all they would have to do is go back to the 1979 promises they made when this government put hands off of Somoza and let them go and then began to support them with financial aid until and this was prior to our coming here until they found out that one faction of the revolutionaries was exiling or imprisoning the their partners in the revolution who were more democratic and intended to have a totalitarian formal component now their promises of human rights of democratic principles of free elections of union rights and so forth all of those promises were made in writing to the Organization of American States when they persuaded the Organization of American States during the revolution to persuade Somoza to resign which he did and they have not kept that contract of Nicaragua could solve their problem right now some of the leaders of the Contras were fighting were leaders alongside of them in the revolution and then were ousted just as Castro ousted the same kind of people and imprisoned some of the best with Tennessee had because they wouldn't go along with him into a communist totalitarian form of government well if this Nicaraguan government wants to go back to the promises of the revolution with seven thank you our time is up we'll get we'll get you the sixth question sometime during the campaigns are the sixth question just while we're talking we want to ask you about the use of power the other night you may have I think you might want to comment on you spoke the end of our days of weakness rebuilding of our military power and I just wondering how you envisage the use of military power and pursuit of foreign policy you know there's a lot of a lot of controversy over this I think that mainly what we're talking about is deterrence I have always believed in fact that the Chinese had this idea thousands of years ago that your army is really doing its job if it never has to fight and that's what we should have and I've viewed it in that standpoint I think the only reason that the Soviets came to the table to discuss arms reductions in the first place was because they saw finally after years and years of unilateral disarming on our side us canceling weapons systems and so forth for domestic political reasons they didn't have to give anything up then when they saw us doing it I think it was all explained in a cartoon my favorite cartoon and it was the cartoon that had Brezhnev when he was still alive and the head of government talking to a Russian general and he said I liked the arms race better when we were the only ones in it and when they found out they weren't the only ones in it that in other words we'll do whatever is necessary to make it evident that hostile moves on their part would result in equal or greater punishment to them that's the purpose of our our military buildup it certainly worked in Grenada