 Okay, let's pray together and then we will start. Can I request one of the students online to pray and we'll start. Thank you Father for this wonderful day. Lord we come before you in the name of Jesus Lord as we are going to start our class my father help us to understand more from your word my father Lord help us to know you more my Jesus and I pray my father God Lord help us to do just more from your word and Lord give you more revelation to him my father God I thank you I surrender all class into your hands in the name of Jesus I pray amen. Amen thank you okay so as we go along I will post simple exercises on Google classroom okay these are not I should not tell you but these are not graded meaning these are not for your final grade okay this is just to check your learning okay so but you have to do it oh I'm not going to get a grade so I don't need to do it no these are knowledge checks okay just to I just want for you to revise the content and again it's not like an exam or something it's more for you to go back go to the notes and see right but these things will be put on Google classroom so and of course and also in the e-learning portal so that everyone now in-person students online students and then the learning students you'll all get to do it these are just knowledge checks not graded but just to make sure that you're following the content and of course if there are any questions you can always ask so let's quickly review some of the things that we've covered in the course so far and then we will move forward so lesson on we introduced this on page 4 we introduced what is apologetics we looked at the how the Lord Jesus let me just go ahead and share my screen it's pretty hot here right so we introduced what apologetics is we said the Lord Jesus himself was a great apologist we looked at the Apostle Peter in his ministry Paul in his ministry we talked about you know the importance of understanding the spiritual side of things right it's not just about us convincing somebody intellectually that is important to answer the questions but also understand what's happening in the realm of the spirit then we went into lesson 2 page number 7 we began with a very basic question on the existence of God right so we looked at what does the Bible say about God some of the core things right his the fact that God is infinite in time power and understanding we talked a little bit about the atheist and the agnostic right how they look at this and what is the flaw in their thought process on this okay let me look at a theological response what is the Bible say about the existence of God we put it down and points and then we looked at a philosophical response to this that means okay if you don't want me to quote chapter in verse fine let's think logically right so some people are okay if you show them from the Bible chapter in verse some people okay you tell me without not referring to the Bible it's okay fine let's look at it from philosophical that means just looking at life thinking about life logic what can we say so we talked about cause and effect we talked about the fact that creation requires a creator or design requires a designer we talked about morality and rationality right so that's kind of where we stopped last week that means lifeless matter if we were just matter lifeless matter cannot take on morality and rationality right so if I keep a rock here you leave that stone here for however long you want the stone is not going to develop a grain of its own suddenly start thinking keep it however long you want it's a stone it'll remain a stone right now generally speaking our bodies physical bodies are just matter right it's made up of material which will decay so if we say there is no God and we are just matter how did we get the ability to reason that is rationality and morality consciousness of right and wrong you ask any person in the world anywhere you know is it exam is giving example is it right to murder somebody any part of the world you go people generally say no it's not right to murder somebody so right so how come how come we're all we're all having the same morality it doesn't matter which culture which language what is it right is murder going and killing somebody right or wrong everybody will say it's wrong I mean unless of course there's war or self-defense or something but generally you can't just go and kill somebody like that random now how did we all get this sense of morality where did it come from if we are only matter right so this is again very logical question that you can ask somebody right the matter cannot acquire rationality morality it has to be given therefore we are saying somebody greater than us gave it to us and God created gave it to us right so we stopped over there and then the last point number four is we can point to supernatural phenomena that means we can see some things which we cannot explain so example demonic manifestation right when we see people what demon possessed and they're manifesting even psychologists and psychiatrists cannot explain it they can explain human behavior this that is their field they're studying human behavior till a certain point why people are behaving like this they can explain till a certain point but then when you come to demon possessed cannot explain it is they call it paranormal beyond normal we cannot explain we don't have it's that space that we can't explain we don't know but the same person whose demon possessed can receive deliverance in the name of Jesus then that person is very normal sitting and talking properly so then we ask the question okay if demons are real because we can see that manifestation with our eyes that person is behaving like this that is real it is happening you can't say it's not happening it is happening but we can't explain it then that person is delivered in the name of Jesus and he's normal he or she is normal then the name of Jesus is real so demons are real that means Jesus is also real to the greater power yeah Jesus you can't see but it was his name that brought deliverance so that is outside the scope of explanation I remember once I like this when I was running my software company we used one part of the work was we were building software for medical medical field and one of the one of the areas we were we were building software for for was for the mental health this was the psychologists in the US I remember going there I was spending time so I was just talking to him and we were designing the system and so I was talking to him and he's psychologist qualified all of that so then I asked him I said uh do you know about the event possession yeah so can you explain it so no we can't we we we can't explain that it is outside our study and scope but is there but we can't explain so psychiatry or psychology only goes so far then beyond that yeah but it is super natural in this uh in this demon possessed also or the psychiatry it can explain until uh up to that they'll say some kind of a hallucination and uh they hallucinate continuously and they believe that they are that person like the you know you know two three behaviors that they uh you know they act like two three people in different stages so some people try to push this and they don't believe in the demonic power yeah so see psychology like we said psychiatry psychology they can explain certain behaviors right so schizophrenia and they'll okay dual personality these kinds of things they will explain okay a person is manifest person is hearing voices because of something or uh certain areas but you go beyond that and you see a person who's demon possessed who's man manifesting that is completely you can't I cannot explain that that kind of you mean they may say it's whatever they can give it a name they can give it a label why is that person behaving that way can't explain so that is where and even if you can't even if you give it a label or something the amazing thing is that person receives deliverance in the name of Jesus you know uh so how it is not giving some medicine and curing it's in the name of Jesus that person is receiving deliverance you know so that becomes uh uh uh you know we can just present that it's a it's it's a very you know from a looking at from a supernatural perspective right so lastly number five again there's more of a philosophical moral type of question our response if there is no god there is no moral law without god life is meaningless that means it's just something we're here we do something we go there's no meaning there is no hope there is no recovery so that means if you take god out of the equation dig god out of the picture dig god out of the picture there is no morality there is no meaning there is no hope and there is no recovery nothing it's nothing life is meaningless right you're just here you're doing something you die an ego right and that's why if there is no sense of god even young people people at a very early age they they lose all reason to live that's not what is life no meaning why should I live anyway I work hard for what what what is the meaning of life is there anything beyond this right so when when people come to that place without god there's no reason to live finish right so these are just five philosophical responses we can give to people for the existence of god right so one we said cause and effect two creation and design requires a creator and a designer morality and rashati number four experiencing supernatural and five is okay just imagine life without god what will it be imagine that okay so now we're going to go to lesson number three where we're just talking a little bit about faith and science and then we will get into the scientific aspects of creation and related questions and so on and faith and science so here again there's a lot of debates can you have faith and the the big debate is this can you have faith and still be a scientist or do or believe in I'm not believe in science meaning you engage with science you know that's the big question so there are some people who will argue if you have faith you cannot have anything to do with science but then there are people there are great scientists in the world today who are highly qualified in the field very accomplished and but they are also believers they're also people of faith faith in the Lord Jesus Christ okay so and if you look at the history of science right from the early you know what we would refer to as scientists the people who began to discover new things in science and we have some of the names the pioneers Galileo Kepler Pascal Boyle Newton Faraday they were all actually believers in God of course not like these people were atheists they were actually all believers in God but they were all scientists they were pioneers and they were the ones who made breakthrough discoveries in their day and time you know and then of course over time as time passed by slowly became fashionable that if you're a scientist you don't believe in God you know and they try to disprove the existence of God so what we want to do is we want to in this lesson we want to show that actually faith and science can go together and faith brings the balance it gives you clarity in scientific discovery okay so it's not like science does away with God faith it's not like that it can be together can have faith you can do science so this science contradicts the Christian faith so it is a wrong presupposition that these two cannot be together you know and so something like oh if you're a person of faith you can't believe in science you can't do science no no no it's not true right because for us science is an investigation into God's creation so when you're doing science whether you're studying biology botany zoology physics astronomy whatever you're studying it is an investigation into God's yes so when you discover something amazing it only makes you stand in awe of God when you run into things you cannot explain then it says okay this is God is bigger than our understanding but we will continue to search we will continue to research maybe we will understand we will explain we will we will understand things right so we are not even when you get a new discovery or when you hit something that you don't know anything about both make you stand in awe of God something you can explain something you can't explain both make you stand in awe of God it's not like when you're like doing science you are eliminating God right whether you discover something great or you discover something you don't understand it's okay you're still in awe of God right so and and we can point to all of these great pioneers right so let's look at some scripture Sam 115 verse 16 Sam 115 and verse 16 I'll just open up his sword so you can look at it there Sam 115 and verse number what is this verse 16 right the heaven even the heavens are the Lord's but the earth he has given to the children of men so Samus is saying the heavens are the Lord's the earth he has entrusted it to us to people right that means you and I are responsible for the earth so just a side note right we'll probably look up one of these questions later you know should we take care of the planet right so nowadays there's a lot of effort going on in climate change environment right should we take care of the planet well if God put us in charge is it the right thing to take care of the planet or not of course he put us in charge so we have to do our best right to take care of it I'm not saying we can solve all the problems but whatever is in our control we have to do right because it says here verse 16 the earth he has given to the children of men so that was just a side note but look at it like this God has given the earth to us so is it wrong to explore is it wrong to study is it wrong to investigate to research whether you look at a cell under a microscope there's not wrong the earth he gave to us so and study it explore it research it investigate try to understand what you can and then leverage it for good use not destructive use like you know you can use it for both right if you know that oh I can make fire you can use fire to cook or you can use fire to destroy it right yeah so use it for good so whatever discovery you make see how it can help others or benefit life on earth because whatever we discover can be used for good or can be used in a destructive sense but so but we're just thinking about this verse right the earth he has given to us so nothing wrong in investigating leveraging the good things making use of what is there nothing wrong he gave it to us to take care of and use let's go to Isaiah 28 very interesting passage here and Isaiah 28 and we're going to look at that verses 23 to 29 as I am 28 23 to 29 so as I says give here and hear my voice listen and hear my speech does the plow man that is a farmer keep ploughing all day to so does he keep turning his soil and breaking the clouds when he has levelled its surface does he not sow the black cumin and scatter the cumin plant the wheat in rows the barley in the appointed place and the spelt in its place for he that is God instructs him in right judgment his God teaches him for the black cumin is not thrust with a sledge nor is a cartwheel rolled or the cumin but the black cumin is beaten out with a stick and the cumin with the rod bread flour must be ground therefore he does not crush it forever break it with this cartwheel or crush it with this horseman this also comes from the Lord of hosts who is wonderful in counsel and excellent in guidance what's he saying I'll paraphrase it say look at the farmer he does not keep on just tilling the ground and think something will grow to the ground no he breaks the ground but then he puts seed into the ground and for each kind of plant he knows how to sow the seed he knows for wheat you put it in a row whatever I don't know too much but the farmer knows how to put things correctly in the ground and he also knows how to harvest it each kind of crop is harvested differently then he also knows how to convert the wheat to flour he knows so then he's asking the as the prophet is saying how does the farmer know all this and two times he says God gives him the understanding God gives him the wisdom both in verse 26 and verse 29 God gives him this understanding God is the one who's showing him the farmer how to do these things with his creation see this is the ground this is how you put the seed this is how you harvest it this is how you can process it God is the one is giving him this understanding twice he says verse 26 and verse 29 now this was during bible times more than 2000 years ago today things are different now we do we explore in the labs we do research in the labs we you know there's so many other things so but it is the same principle that is as we are studying God's creation as we are researching as we are seeing how best to do things in that process God is involved God is giving us understanding how to make the best use of what he has put in in yeah on the earth he's giving so example okay we you know we we discovered nuclear energy some several decades ago okay that is one form of energy and the several forms of energy before that hydroelectric power there's wind there's waves all kinds of things like energy we discovered now that energy can be used in a beneficial way to generate electricity to take care of the homes and people's power different things or that energy can be used to blow up an entire city destroy but God has helped us discover that energy how we use it are responsible some people go and do bad things we don't blame God and God is helping us discover what he has put in creation so this is the scientific process right what is the scientific process it is discovery of what God has put and God himself is helping us in the scientific process that means you can imagine the scientists who are sitting in the lab doing experiments God's hand is on him God is guiding that person in their thinking their reasoning how do I make the best use of it so now we have so much even in agriculture we can do so many things with crops you know how we can grow crops even in difficult conditions so many things but it's for the benefit of people right so but God is involved in the scientific process so we're not saying if you're a scientist you have to be an atheist no if you're a scientist God is there believe in God He'll help you understand these things discover these things right and what was the other ways I wanted us to look at Romans 1 and verse 20 we've seen this before but let's go look at it again somebody could read it Romans chapter 1 and verse 20 and then we'll take any questions Romans 1 verse 20 somebody could read it Romans 1 verse 20 for since the creation of the world his invisible attributes are clearly seen being understood by the things that are made even his eternal power and Godhead so that they are without excuse thank you so his invisible attributes are seen where in his creation right so when we are studying creation we're actually having a chance to encounter the attributes of God how wise God is how brilliant his design how he's just fascinating how things are so the binda right so the study of God's creation is really leading us to an encounter with the invisible attributes of God and we can also have testimony we see testimonies of scientists as they study and go through their scientific process they eventually not saying everybody but some of them choose to believe in God so like this is amazing right so they eventually come to faith in God so this sign this going through the scientific journey actually has led some people some of them to God believe in God because of they're actually encountering the attributes of God this is so amazing right so what we're emphasizing now is that science does not contradict our faith right so any questions so far everybody's with me okay there's a question on the chat um believers who are doctors and psychologists are definitely in a better place where they can draw from God and also use science with the balance is this inference correct so those who are doctors and psychologists and when they can draw from God well actually um you know I'm not sure if I really understood the question but I my response would be something like this that all of us have you know regardless of our our education or our vocation we are all in a good place to you know to relate to God and draw from him um and uh but much what you're getting at Justin maybe um now you also say and use science with balance so yeah definitely they are in a good place to use science with balance that means believers who are in the scientific field um they have a lot of ethical and moral sense that comes along with their scientific inclination so it's a good balance otherwise science without the ethical and moral balance to it can just you know be used for anything uh very destructive also so the second part of what you're saying yeah I agree with it the first part my thought would be that you know all of us do have access to God equal equally and we can draw from him where we are so I'm not sure if I really answered your question Justin but no yes pastor I was just asking about the doctors who really don't know God and people who are in the medical field who are already believers just the comparison between those two oh okay so you're comparing yeah okay okay okay understand yes then yeah and then that sense uh believers who are in the medical profession uh you know they are able to see their medical practice as a vehicle to serve people and they also invite God to work through that uh and and so they're in a better definitely a better place uh to see God work through them yeah all right any questions sorry sir regarding a supernatural phenomena like uh we talked about like how we can like uh psychology psychiatrists they can't explain this or demonic position and we talked about like they get deliverance in the name of Jesus which is true but if we see right now like we can also see some people from other religion also they do this tricks to cast out demons and all so when when we are like using this point to make uh our statement and when if they are like they are also taking that one how we can like defend because they're also tell see our through our religion also we are doing deliverance our God is also real how we can or defend that one okay so then we kind of get into another space of uh comparative faiths um so okay so the thing is this at the point we were trying to establish is that there is supernatural there is the supernatural realm which cannot be explained uh through the natural knowledge we have and so because there is a supernatural therefore we say there is the presence of God right because if there's the presence of evil that and we just come to it by light or by good then God is there so that was our point now if somebody in that argument goes to the next level which is like you brought up are comparing things now even for that we do have an answer although it's not necessarily in in in this line of thought that is in in the proving the existence of God but that's you know when that if that kind of question comes up we know that the Bible teaches us that even Satan does lying signs and wonders right so Satan himself is engaged in doing lying signs and wonders right so example quick references we have 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 we have 1st Corinthians chapter 11 or 10 sorry 2nd Corinthians what did I say 2nd Thessalonians chapter 2 and verse 9 the coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan with all power signs and lying wonders 2nd Thessalonians 2 verse 9 so the working of Satan Satan's work out he does work with power signs and lying wonders okay 2nd Thessalonians 2 9 Paul also writes in 2nd Corinthians chapter 10 and he talks about sorry chapter 11 2nd Corinthians chapter 11 right verse 14 2nd Corinthians 11 14 says Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light right so he's talking about false workers and apostles whatever them so that is even Satan pretends to be like a good like an angel of light right he does lying signs and wonders right so you can imagine how the orchestration happens between demonic powers the eventual goal is to deceive people right so they they can you know work through people to cause lying signs and wonders so example if somebody's demon possessed they go to a person who's practicing witchcraft or sorcery or something they go to this person he will do some mantra this that he will do that person seems to have deliverance or relief what his condition could have gotten worse we don't know but the sign the appearance is that person seems to have got relief but Satan's objective is achieved that means people are deceived that is the ultimate objective is to capture the souls of people so he does lying signs and wonders the world it's called lying signs and wonders because that is how he blinds people right so we have a theological explanation for we have the understanding for it but you know going back to our original thought that shows the existence of the supernatural realm the spiritual realm shows Anand your question and when scientists are doing these all these experiments and all we can find these attributes of God in this creation like is there any examples we can give like someone said like like from the point of view is there any examples like that they found that attributes of God in this creation yeah so when you say attributes of God for instance it's primarily the wisdom of God right so you look at the design of the cell we'll talk about a little bit later and you go down to the even the designer was single protein molecule right so you go down all the way to that and you see the amazing wisdom of God you know so and that's just one example but you can look at so many things around us and and and so the wisdom that is an attribute of God or you look at the heavens the stars so just look at one star the sun the amount of energy that's coming out is so great right then I don't have the numbers here but it's like you know a huge amount of energy emanating from one star sun and sun is a small star it's not like a big star in the universe in the universe is actually a small star that one star is having so much now of course we can explain it in terms of the the reactions that the nuclear reactions are taking place which is causing out so much of heat and light being emanated from the sun which is then eventually coming to us here but from once so much of power so what is that and then think of it that there are billions of such stars it means we don't even know so we just said there are so many billions of such stars sun is only one of them a small star but there is so much of energy coming out of that one star so what does it talk about it talks about the infinite power of God like God is so powerful to have um what is that oh oh there's a phone here okay so God is you put on silent yes thank you so God is so infinite right uh so that that it's ever speaking to us about the power of God then we can look at again we can look at things here on earth or in space and think about the order in which everything happens you know so then we say hey there is so much of order there is so much of design you know in what is happening right it's not arbitrary you know the the planets the stars they're all held together so we're saying it's speaking about order about design you know and then we will again talk a little bit about this about the precision in which everything is in place it just talks about you know how amazing God is that everything is actual in actual location in space and that's it's that's how life can happen here on earth and so on so we look at all these things they're pointing us to different attributes of God the wisdom the power is that you can find these attributes of the God how fast this is telling some scientists they they they have some records and uh like is it true uh like they found literally oh when you when you say like uh they found what it is so so across somewhere or so one doubt somewhere if you if you're talking about those things those are just imaginary because anybody can take a photo of the cloud and say see there is a doubt there is a crossing so if you're talking about those kinds of things that is all imaginary right like uh like there is a Jesus blood it's still alive like it's it's getting viral in social media like nothing so i don't know how real these things are because nowadays you can generate any image you want yeah so first of all you know when we when we read these kinds of news articles even though they are quote unquote trying to promote christian faith we have to question who wrote it and is it from a reliable source right today anybody can write anything either to support to support christian faith anything in the bible you can write anybody can write put it online put some pictures you can generate pictures do it generate videos whatever so you got to see like who reported this right um if it is from a reliable person you know and then uh is it actually verified by two or three reliable people so don't believe anything you read online even if it is from a quote unquote christian thing yeah because even christians can write stories and you know they sometimes create content just for the sake of creating things so be very careful what we read online i i don't know about these for me these kinds of these things like you know they don't matter yeah they're like okay uh who's going to go and verify you know uh that's not even waste time on that i don't pay attention to those things yeah but something that's really useful uh in our journey yeah okay anyway good um online any questions we go for a break if you don't have any questions okay um let's take a break and then we'll come back and we'll continue on this okay 10 minutes thank you