 So we're going to start off with Peter, Angela, here, and then we'll go to public comment. Peter, why don't you roll up a chair here? Thanks for having me. Thank you. And I know these are comments that Peter shared with you. I'm going to share with you how long you've probably saw those on your emails. I've got all the articles. I've got the article where I've dealt with not the bulls of what Peter's email, article 8, and... So we'll let Peter go. Thank you. Thanks for having me. So I'm here to talk specifically about this information, and then about the Arwood and Unified School Board in general. So to this specific situation, I've been involved in various degrees with the school board. I was on the school board. I stepped down from the school board because of some concerns I had. And so because of my involvement with both the board and with community groups who have opposed some of the board's choices, I've talked with a lot of members of the community. Some folks got together and discovered that since this board has existed, and in fact, in the articles and agreement that formed the board, the weight... The numbers, the population numbers used to create the weights of the voting totals have been incorrect. And what the mistake was... The mistake is in both the weights field numbers and the water worry numbers. What happened is, someone, whoever originally looked at those numbers, incorrectly added in the... Added two numbers together, both the population of the entire town of weights field and water worry, and also the... What's called the census-designated places of both weights field village and water worry village. So the census-designated places, in my understanding, are used for statistical purposes only. But people behind the census have decided that certain places, even though they aren't their own incorporated entity, deserve to be counted in the census and deserve to be continuously updated and shared. How many people live in that place? So weights field village and water worry village are those two places within this Harlem Unified School. So when you add those numbers together, both of those towns have received more weights as I outlined to you in the handout. And the way it's worked, weights field actually gets more votes, surprisingly, when it all is done out in the math, because the reason for that is because water worry has so many extra votes under the current weight. So when you give water worry its correct population, you would take off over 1,700 people, and you would take 6.5 weighting points out of 100 away from water worry, which pretty much equals one extra vote on the board in the way the voting is there. So more town has been under voting since this board has existed, and so have all of the other towns other than water worry. And I find two parts of this trouble. I really think it was probably a clerical mistake somewhere along the line, but it was signed off by one of the attorneys of the district, a gentleman named Chris Leopold from an organization called Wells and Leopold. And we all voted on those articles that had the incorrect numbers in them on the district. And then I haven't gone back and tried to assess every single vote. We've had various note-takers, some have listed the weights of every vote, some haven't. So I don't know if anything would have changed, but what I do know is that those weights have been used since the beginning of that board to further a narrative, no matter what side of any choice you're on, that water worry is huge and water worry controls the vote. And it just has had an impact on top of wanting to have the numbers be accurate. And it really makes me question a lot of what has taken place, because that idea of the weight and side conversations when I was on the board, and how do you have the votes, and these numbers were really used to create a narrative. And while that's completely qualitative data, I don't think it could be understated that this is a real problem that our town and some of the other towns have been undervalued in the weighted voting. And so I really would like the board to switch this as soon as possible. I brought it up last meeting, and I gave them the suggestion, as I shared with you in the language, that they should take one more vote under the current weights because you would have to vote to make a change. And so I recognize that the board can't do anything unless it votes to do something. So I suggested one more vote under that weight to pause everything else until they can figure out what the solution to this should be. And it would only be the board that could decide that, but I think they should investigate previous votes. I think they should think about what this means, how they can rectify this and move on in a good fashion in the community. And they could still do that, but I was very disappointed to get no reaction from them the other night and they just knowingly continued to vote, even though that information had been shared. I did receive a couple of messages from members of the board who said that they were going to look into it and see if the numbers are accurate and do all of that. And the numbers are accurate that I have here. I've communicated with the town clerk offices, and both of those towns, and they took 10 seconds for them to confirm the correct numbers. It's unfortunate that this never was noticed beforehand. So I don't know. I guess I would suggest that maybe this board reaches out to the school board and it says, hey, maybe you should really try to figure this out sooner rather than later to make sure that all future votes are on the up and up and using accurate numbers. The other thing, I'm happy to answer any other questions. The other thing I'd like to share first, though, is that... Before you move on. Sure. Let's address this. Okay. So if you ever want to have an opportunity, certainly Peter will be able to review it. Talk about what he wrote about here. This is certainly troubling to me. You know, this is going on and the reaction that you received or lack of it. I... This is so serious. I think as a board we certainly need to send a letter to the board and the advisory unit, Bridget, to let them know our concerns. And probably I think we should... Once we let this pass this on to our attorney, it really happened, you know, for an hour he looked us over and everybody's in the opinion or getting in touch with the person in the board where he's been tested. I think, because this can go even further, I know they'll be moved and I just want to see some transparency in that board. Hopefully take your suggestion and look into it. But until then I think we need to push on our own to make sure that happens. So, you know, I would move about forwards to our attorney and give a public advice. John, seconds. Any further discussion? Yes. Do you think this should be done in coordination with the other towns affected? I think what we should do is let the other towns know what we're doing and ask them if they'd like to join us. Okay. But we are initiating it. Should you include an emotion of the letter to Bridget Nese and these HUSDs, what would come from Ron? Yeah, that's what I asked. Yeah. So, any further discussion? All in favor of a ride? All right. So, the other piece, the more general discerning issue that I think is happening is that I would like to express to all of you and to all the members of the community in town that coming up there will be a very real discussion that could contain the assessment of whether or not our school across the parking lot exists. And so the other night at the last board meeting there was a plan on the table to move all seven eighth graders to Crossebrook School instead of having the seven eighth graders from our town and some of the other Maddler Valley towns go to Harwood. The seven eighth graders would join the library and Ducksburg students at Crossebrook School or voted that down. Really, not necessarily because they didn't like the idea but because they really hadn't answered all the questions or done their due diligence with the research. But in that discussion while voting that down it became really clear that they would like to go back to the drawing board and look at all options. And the comment kept coming up from several people including Virginia's the superintendent that we need to assess all of the assets in the community and they're just referring to our schools as assets. Not community centers that educate our children. That's really troubling to me. And Bridget herself was the one that said even if that means having a difficult conversation of closing schools, all of this needs to be assessed. And I don't have any answers. All I can do is continue to call on them to look at the research. As an educator myself, the research clearly shows in my opinion that losing a school in a town like Moore Town would absolutely decimate our town because we don't have many other... We don't have many other economic drivers here that would attract young families and if families wouldn't move here property values would go down. I just really have seen the research that has played out in other states turning towns like Moore Town into those towns that don't have elementary schools. So I would like all of you to know and I would like the people of the town to know this conversation is going to become very real very quickly. And while the Unified Board would have to get Moore Town voter approval to close a school over the next few years, as of July 1st, 2021 which in the terms of closing a school is right around the corner, all they need is two thirds of that Unified School Board to vote in favor of closing in one of these schools and that could come true. No town vote. Correct. And so, you know, legislators that were either for or against that 46 will kind of all say this wasn't the intent of that law but intent or not, we're kind of the... We're the prime example of that coming true. It ramped up last winter. It paused for a little bit. Now it's ramping up again with a no vote on the middle school change. Let's look at all the assets. I would just like you and all the people of the town to know that this is not just hearsay from a few folks. This is not just hysteria and trying to fight something just for the sake of fighting it. In my view, it's a very real and very scary conversation that's going to be had very, very soon. So that's what I've been sitting there in. And the side piece of that is, in my opinion, it's the reason I'm not at the board anymore and wanting to be able to come do things like this and talk openly as a community member is that I don't think the board has shown that they want to do research and want to gather all the information. My opinion is that they want to jump to decisions and they want to think that they have some sort of high intelligence that exists in that room without bringing in the outset experts. An example would be a couple of meetings ago they chose to fill the seat that I vacated and several board members went out of their way to make excuses as to why the letter that you all sent didn't really matter and they thought that they knew better than you. It wasn't just enough for them to vote for the other candidate which is fine that's their power as the board but to actually dismiss a group's opinion is troubling to me. So I'm here just sharing my concerns about the fact that this school is going to be part of a very real conversation but whether or not it should still be a school in the next few years. Can I ask you a question about that vote? If your numbers are correct and I'm sure that your numbers are correct how would that have affected the vote? This last middle school vote it would have stayed the same. For the... Oh, for the... For appointing a director? Yes, Kristen still would have not had enough votes to become one of the school directors. Actually, she would have still been short by 0.8 of 1%. So Linda would have still... The other layer to that this is a related but side conversation there are many people in the community that think that the weights should not even exist and we should give one vote to one voice at that table and if you look at it that way there were 12 board members in attendance and six voted for Kristen so six didn't it was a tie who knows what happens there but the reality is that we're putting in this weighted world and using those... the accurate weights that I have it still would have been short. Just on that piece I just want to mention the whole nomination process that was bad on that I think we ended up with a good representative from More Count I think just the whole process and the lack of transparency from then forwarding on those things to the last hour was really that was the... And I agree with you there I have no... I have no bad feelings for Linda at all. Yeah, just Linda came down and was really involved and it shows to me that it shows how they do business there and I'm not impressed at all Does that go to Linda? So certainly I go to your comments and hopefully community members show up at those meetings where our hands are tied as much as yours are but I think a loud voice we need to make sure it's a transparent process at the end of the day who knows what happens with places being closed I don't think there should I want to make sure before any decisions are made it needs to be transparent an open process where we're all going to look at them it's not going to happen unless there's a real big pushback I have a question I was just hoping for an explanation because you're familiar with it When Linda was elected it looks like they evaluated each candidate individually instead of seeing how many votes each could get and I forget I didn't understand the process It looked very strange from the outside Yeah, so the Board Chair has described it that the only way that they can vote is to have a motion for a candidate and then once that motion is on the table and there's a second and they can vote whether they want to elect that candidate and then if that fails then they'll look for a motion for another candidate that's the process that they've been using for that I hope I haven't ever seen anything like that because hypothetically they could take a vote and then do a motion so I don't see that mutation it just doesn't make sense to me it just doesn't seem to give all the candidates a fair shot particularly since the order that come up is based on individual nomination It just seems entirely right Right, someone could make that a bit more of a motion but you never get that Definitely Yeah, it's just really bizarre but again, it's the way we do things Yeah, it's bizarre, right? So, and if you want to be I have one more question going for that When the vote was presented to the people whether to form a union, whether to merge and were the numbers that you're talking about tonight were those presented to the voters as waiting? As what? Would more town have? Yes Your numbers were No, no, no It was the incorrect population of the nation Still it was the incorrect population right from the get-go for weights filled in the water barrier which then makes all the weights incorrect So it starts really at the beginning It starts at the beginning I contacted people in the elections department at the Secretary of State's office and the only thing they had to tell me is that if you want to challenge the accuracy of a vote you need to do it within 15 days of the vote happening and so now we're over two years unfortunately so he didn't really have any advice from the gentleman I spoke to there Something to be able to make people aware of what's going on Well they have an opportunity to correct it and reward it So that's Thank you Peter Thank you You should take the time there Thank you So that will cost you too long All right, so let's go ahead and move into public comments and do we have anyone here for public comments? Mike I don't know I just wanted to address something to come up with the last board meeting regarding the listeners' use of errors and emissions So that would be a business we can look at now, Mike if you want I just want to clarify what I think is a misunderstanding on how the listeners are using errors and emissions for corrections to the grand list I believe it was reported to the board last time that we're not using those when there's been a change due to a grievance hearing or a BCA hearing That's my understanding of what you guys were informed In fact, we are Okay What I think may have been confusing is that we're not using errors and emissions to change the grand list this year If someone is coming in with a request to update information due to the tax map corrections if they didn't grieve originally during the grievance process Does that make sense? Yes Okay So just to be clear if someone had a grievance hearing with us and supplying us additional information after the grievance hearing that allows us to make a change due to tax map correction we'll use errors and emissions on that BCA hearings anything that came down we're using that to make changes but if someone didn't go through grievance and they come in with additional information we're asking them to wait until next year and we'll change it next year which is our standard procedure for making changes and evaluations That makes sense The process was there and we didn't make it So yeah No, we just wanted to do it and obviously we were getting a grand list changed of the people that grieved That's all we were wanting to make sure that happened Great Great Thank you Thanks, love Thank you Anyone else for My name is Deborah Carroll I have spoken with John and Cheryl Yes, that's right My best to meet you guys I recently purchased my partner, Steve Morsig and I recently purchased the Ducarlo house right next to the station I understand so after we moved in I hadn't noticed this one while we were in the purchasing process there's a culvert that empties out near the river and it flows approximately like 15, 20 feet along the edge of my property and it's eroding really significantly I've spoken with John about it but we just haven't had a chance for him to come out and look at it I understand that there is a sidewalk project and I'm not even positive that this is the correct form if I should be the first to plan you So I'd like to have somebody come out and take a look I understand that there's a sidewalks project Yes that is going to be taking a look at the storm drainage culverts because that's where the water comes from it trains from the road under my property and then it goes out along and I have a real concern that this bank has been continued to erode and it's already starting to undermine that part of my property and it would be really nice if we could move in I don't know what the schedule is for getting things done there but if I can have somebody come out and take a look at it really soon and maybe get something in there before we enter even if it's just to fill the ditch the bottom of the ditch with riprap I don't know, I'm not an engineer but that's my alteration of the drainage it may help to do it but my real concern is not just that it will undermine that part of my property which is really nice along the river but my leech field is up just beyond that and once it undermines that where my leech field is in benefit of really good properties so I think there's some way to this process to get this looked at value that's been possibly somewhat done before the water sets in are you familiar with that? yeah, I believe that COVID is part of the placement it is it is, yes so I don't know the failure that you're looking at right now whether that would be a state issue or whether it would happen well it is it is a part of the catch basin project yeah I very unsuccessfully have been trying to get Pat Travers to finish the placement for signatures and the new jobs but in a half-time and that's why we're having now Pat can talk to you it's just been very slow the new jobs are twice and yeah this is John I'm John I'm Jason but either way we're not going to we're not going to get this project done this year that's correct it sounds serious enough that maybe we ought to have this much more I tried to push the project along with the state the other day a little bit and I got back got a little bit from the state because number one the plans aren't done yet and the plans aren't done because of that drainage that is going to be fixed number two they don't want us to go out to bid because they don't think the town will get the best price this year they don't want to go out to bid in the winter so we'll get contractors from there lining up their work in the spring but what we will do is I'll Ray, can you go with Martin try or follow me not with him but we'll have Martin go he's our road guy to find out there's something that needs to be done immediately to stop the erosion prior to the project we'll have a valuation on that and then we'll have Ray take a look at it Ray is an engineer with the construction company down the road so we'll give him a touch with him or feel free to get back to Cheryl in the next week or so we'll let someone out there soon as we take a look at it thank you I don't know who's culprit who's that what's the state called the state of it we just want to immediately get out there and so to make a report to get poshkins if there's something that needs to be done that needs to be in the state we can contact him just so that you don't find a leech bill in the river yeah I don't think that will happen this year I understand but we just want to get this down the road there's a nice little sitting area down here just above the river that I need to see it's kind of a hazard too because you know stay away from this area if you go there's about a four foot drop right there to a bridge right and it makes me the state's response though to figure that out thank you very much I appreciate it thank you for being involved with that yeah sure absolutely I'm happy to do that yeah you know what's always happening is because you don't know the whole side walk on the other side of the road is going to be replaced with all the catch bases there's three or four catch bases along the road where all this gather comes down so it's going to be part of an improved project yeah and I think that I think that at least two of those the strawberries can be out in that culvert that goes right down hold on so they're going to improve the size of the piping and get perhaps more hopefully some erosion catch well thank you for coming in and welcome to the channel thank you very much yes, I appreciate it we're very happy where were you fired up on there Burlington, Vermont though it's funny I moved to Louisville, Kentucky for 25 years I just moved back two marches ago Debra was in Maine for 25 years and just moved back from Williston we both moved back to Vermont and met and things like that I didn't know where more John was I grew up in Williston though so it's so this is kind of my old stock of brownies just came back to the school over here there's a nice little community there's on Friday nights every once a month they have something in the town hall you know some open light that goes all the time oh yeah it was just this last Friday so it'll be next month oh cool Halloween get about 400 pieces of candy I was told yeah Halloween a great big leather newspaper so it's fun although they have a party at the town hall or at the school and then all the kids go out around 5 or 6 o'clock and there's a couple hundred from the town hall and it's really it's an awesome good time yeah all right or do a tour like this then all of it well very good well thanks for coming in yeah welcome to stay around so Cheryl wanna go ahead and watch the communications overall the 2018 budget savings to date there's about $6,300 by Delvin Defensive this is this is the budget surgeon go so that's not bad Montgomery Montgomery Montgomery Timberlake he was just filed a court I sent you that information today request the information from Montgomery Timber to present the trials so it looks like it's going to be a trial now Paul does understand when they talk about Town Trail 17 it's the one that goes across Calvin Block that's properly I hope he understands all that well he should he's got a copy of the new map and everything because I mean you know that going back with Claire Lacer and everything they were using the other one that wasn't Town Trail 17 it sounds to me like Montgomery Timber is talking with the barges okay and Montgomery Timber is going to work out something to long their land and place a bridge on the barges property so this is basically some kind of but they didn't really talk about that yeah about which leaves the other landowners that are up there not being able still to get to their land so Guy Martin is going to call this Montgomery Timber so I don't know if something's happened since then I haven't heard anything as but by reading Paul Gillis's information that he sent yesterday last week that it looks like it's going to trial what I sent you today it looks like he has questions for the we're not going to remember this one is he talking about yeah for your decision making process whether you want Paul to stick with this or I didn't notice that he's seeing another person in the office I looked up that other person if he does have experience with zoning and environmental but this is where we have to do roads properties and that's Paul's specialty to road but it is I mean I brought that up because in reading reading that you know Montgomery Timber and Claire Lathrop were talking about in the past when they put a bridge across using town trail 17 they never used town trail 17 well Paul Gillis has the new survey that shows the discontinued trail he specifically has that I sent it to him he acknowledged it he got it so he should know that when they're talking town trail 17 they actually mean that park so we call that close between the river between Travis and Cow's Park yeah but he did ask in the questions why Montgomery Timber says that the new access what he didn't ask is he didn't ask why the proposed trail location is different from the old town trail 17 location in these programs he's saying why is this unusable and not why is it worse now I agree with what John was saying it looks likely that they're confusing the traditional access to the old town trail correct yeah correct and as far as the old town trail that bank was rebuilt it really isn't a lot better than there is now correct right and if he's talking about the traditional access you've got nothing to do with it exactly and that's why so I don't know the questions he's asking maybe John you want to talk to Paul or should I give Paul a call just so that we are clear that he knows that that because I think that needs to be clarified that he's making sure that he's talking he knows the old 17 either way if you want to I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call I'll give him a call and get to that more business. Lastly, we're on a time limit as far as health insurance goes for re-offing the employees. Do you plan to contribute the same as what you did in 2018? Which was... And we helped that from a year before, I think, prior, right? Yeah. So what you did was you set how much you're going to contribute or you could take whatever plan, you know, in DC, whatever. How did that come out? Did anyone go about their plan from... Everyone, last year, has a flattening plan. So we all had to pay a little bit more. This year, the Mont League of Cities and Towns has rates for 2019. From the BRS options, the Blue Cross Blue Shield options, there is no flattening plan. But the rates, the deductible is the same. It's a hundred dollar deductible for prescriptions and then five and fifty and fifty percent. So it's pretty much comparable with the flattening plan. But the flattening plan had one up wrong. This year, you were paying $630.65 was the principal and now it's $786.86. Whereas if the employee chooses to go over the BRS plan, their premium would be $686.76. So the town would be covering all of that fifty percent of the single plan. Which was about what you did last year. Yeah, it was comparable to the... It's pretty comparable to the plan. Now, why would it complain about it? The people that had to pay last year said that with their raise, it was like a wash, they didn't get a raise. It was almost exactly the same. It sounds like that would not be the case this year. It would be real risk. Possibly. Possibly. Yeah, there is a risk. So I think that would be a really difficult budget. We held the flat the last two years. It would be two years old and flat. I think that would probably show us the complete story. We'll flatten out the insurance purchase. I can notice someone is out of your ticket. The town's contribution will be the same in 2019 as it was in 2018. That's all I have. Thank you. Thank you. The last meeting, you asked me to look at the work that felt, of course, reviewed around Luchell. A lot of our work actually did a really good job. I'm just disappointed that they didn't go all the way around. Some of the water bars they made four years ago were pretty bad and they didn't do anything with those. So at some point, I was going to call Jeff. Fine mate. Fine mate. There's a dozen there. I mean, why did you just keep on going to stop and let me have a chance to call you? You know, if you talk to Jeff, we have to respond to their permit request, I think. We should tell them that the bars that they made four years ago they need work. All right, we'll cover that later. Yeah, also on the Brian's committee, we wanted to come in next meeting pretty good. Yeah, I'll be attending a workshop for tree wardens that has to do with assessing the health of trees in town right away, so I think that'll be a good thing. And then at a poorly water meeting with the Remind Clean Water Network one of the things that I brought back to the center of Vermont they were committee. When we met last week was that things just were very fragmented and one of the networks seems to be, I'm not going to say ignoring, but not really focusing on all of Vermont. So it's really just the Lake Champlain basin and there was somebody from Springfield from up there and she voiced the concern that we should be looking to connect the river with the basin as well. So I brought that back to CBRCC and so hopefully we can tackle all of Vermont right in just the Lake Champlain basin. But basically every way for the clean water we're all at the same goal. It's just that if you go on like the Pull Up the Vermont Clean Water Network website they list all their partners and everything and you can click on one of their partners and they talk about all the great things they've been doing and it's just too much. And I think that there just needs to be some consolidation and a little bit more cooperation. And I think that came across to several people who brought that up to the Clean Water Network meeting which was last Tuesday. I think my river was starting to work with the Lewinsky River Conservancy a little bit better than what they have. Right, right. But then you've got the Connecticut River Conservancy. Do they have a Conservancy? I don't know. I don't know if they do. I'll have to check on that website to see if their logo is there or not. Regarding the timber or whatever, do you evaluate the timber on our town land or do you just deal with it right away and help people with trees on it? No, I pretty much just the right of way so far. It's very important. Watching our land as far as it helps to work. Yeah, right, right. That's a good point. We have a four-street plan. We have a four-street plan. If you look at the four-street plan, people will conceive of it. And the four-street plan, how it's supposed to be cut and everything, so I'll take a look at that and see what it says. Yeah, that wouldn't have been updated with the Amalot ash quarry. It wouldn't have. It was probably 10 years ago. We're just not unusual for a four-street plan. That's a good idea. I don't believe there's that much land. I think it's mostly softwood, but it'll tell how many trees in the stand. Anything else, John? No. Just wanted to talk to you about job descriptions. That's coming up later. That's it. I'm going to trade a couple things with here. The walking boards. Yes. All boards have notices on them for three weeks. They all had them for three weeks. Nobody's calls or anything. The one on Jones Brook Road is garbage. It just needs to be taken down in its own way. The one on Covmilla is one of our official posting places. It's the woodwise. It's in good shape. It just needs to be painted. The one on the mountain road is in good shape, but I think that we should take it down and repurpose it and put it in front of the office, where I believe that was the original plan to have a chaos floor down there anyway. The wood is in good shape. It just needs to be cleaned up and painted. I have paint at the town hall, so I could do that if the guys would take it down and bring it to the town hall. We are going to have a chaos, but it needs to be taken down in its own way. Yeah. What use is made of the Covmilla? I post everything on there. The agenda, everything I do at the store. That is one as a board. The one in the open meeting lot. That is one of our official posting places. The Covmilla, here, and the more time general store. They are three official. I'd like to see a couple of them. I'm sorry. I'd like to see a couple of them and bring it to the one that is there. It needs to come down. We need to re-evaluate where it should be. I could maybe move locations, but I've had signs up on it saying none of this is going to be removed. Yeah. I think it should come down. I think it's in a cold day. I think it was at the end of the road. I would have made a lot more sense. Maybe you guys will talk to some of these people or whatever. I don't know if it's going to make sense. We want to get people that turned on the wardrobe. Really the best place is after the wardrobe somewhere out there where it's flatter. But, I'll work on that. I agree. I should be taking down four calls now. Can someone ask Martin to order? Can we put that in a lot that you would list? Yes. The other thing is we're talking about boards. The sign for this kind of office. Is that still a word? It's laying against the building. It's ready to go up. All right. Meaning in that same email that these guys say. So the sign on that road Yep. That was also posted there. Yeah. It's nasty and needs to be cleaned. But it looks like it's almost a new four-by-four. Like it hadn't been that long ago that it got fixed, maybe. And the sign itself is not. Is that good? All right. So we also have something from John. It's on looking to be the appointment to DRB. So, second on that? Second. I'll take a look around. All right. All right. So we'll hold on. She should be in around 7.15. Count them on. This is on the right way. Were you able to let us know? Oh, that's the one we just talked about. Yeah. So that's the one. And this, I'll discuss that as well. The report and communication. Probably a bear called Paul this evening. Saying that at the corner of Cook Place and on home, the tree was taken down, I think by the by the sons of it today, and his property state was where it was was right there and now it's gone. So. I'm just saying, you know, just to make sure that state is really looking for approval of the 10, 1, 18 minutes. Second on that? I'm sorry, you don't have to be there. You just have to second it. I'll second it. Thank you. Any further discussion besides the people that were not there? All right. All right. All right. We have Denise and Leo here. When they, I will say though, when they came in and talked to us, they asked to be on it. And then I put them on, but then they still had a conversation with me about how Lynch Hill got fixed and I explained to them how Lynch Hill got fixed. Maybe is her top position, possibly. Because they were like, well that fix, and I said, well this is how that. So. It sounded like it. Then we're looking for expensive work on a little cold change and everything. So if I haven't looked into that, that's a class 4B that's slightly under a trail. Yeah. We have worked with Woody on the base and we've worked with him. And that's, he has said that. We helped him out, but I don't think they're on, yes they have, but they're on a pretty good shape actually. I think, like I said, when he first asked, he was thinking Lynch Hill got done by us and not by other programs. So. All right. But that does remind me. I forgot to bring up Jeff will do it. So. What was the agreement last year? That was it. Martin brought one load, you know, to share between Jeff and David. I don't know if there was any agreement. John, tell you the truth. Yeah. Martin talked about it and he said that they did bring him a load last year. Yeah. And he said that the stuff that he got from DuBois can't do it anymore. So. He said if he takes one load to him he's going to need to take a load to Charlie because Charlie won't need a load as well. So. Why would you load anything else? So I guess we entered. No. Classroom? Classroom. No, I think last year there was a... I think it's a trail running with Classroom. Right. Somewhere there. And hopefully it's also a trail. That was the one. Old Business from John. So I'm proud to be here. So does everyone have the information from the ambulance? I made more copies. But DuBois don't have some. The ambulance... I looked like this and kind of this one's mine. Hold on. Trina? No. Somewhere. Oh, that's great. I put it in Old Business. I had to be in Old Business. Yeah, I put it in Old Business. You were supposed to go. All righty. So. Cheryl or Trina do you want? Well, I have something that I want to talk to you about with this ambulance service in the executive session. So I don't know if you want to talk about anything else about them first or if you want to. Does one impact the other? Yes. It impacts your decision. All right, so we're going to go ahead and do that first. So I request that we go in the executive session for contact negotiations where premature general public knowledge would clearly place a doubt or the quadrant ambulance service at the substantial distance. So Luke, is there a second? Second. John, any further discussion? All of them. I'm sorry. All right. All right. We will continue to discuss or take up the discussion of the ambulance service. So we were discussing our water barrier. This is the first year that they requested money from us. Katrina and you they requested per capita. Can you discuss that number? Yep, they requested per capita which for the state of Vermont is it's 1.8 persons per household. So that's how I figured out the population that each person served was based on the 911 maps and then our tax maps. Right, but initially they had incorrect. They had 370 for their population served and I came up with 285. I don't believe they ever told us a whole number, they just said 19 per capita, which the map was up to 54-15 per year. Well it seems to me based on the information they had, they weren't really sure what they were asking or what they needed because they didn't know they hadn't got this information as far as how many calls they actually made. Yep, they only for 2017 I asked for both years. It was water very gave us both years. So it's proportionally the same as Malkylia who serves more people. Certainly, I don't think anyone should be doing service to us without being paid. I know we need to go something, but I'm not sure whether 54-100 is really that figure. Do we have a standard done with different organizations that don't have services like even fire departments or things? I'll just done my negotiation I think. It's done by you know, mutual aids between which part of our department, if they're called water barriers would call more if they needed to go, there's no charge. And John, you were at the meeting department, what was your feeling as far as you know, if we came back with you know, we allocated 2500 or something like that. I think that they would take it. I hate to say this, but I'm not comfortable with giving one of our interior organizations money and not others, and that opens a can of arms. I was kind of thinking the same thing. Likewise, I'm recommending at this minute an article in town meeting because there were consistent can of arms. Why does water barrier qualify more than the number we know? Maybe they need to supply more information like financial reports and things like that, and then you know, more reports in the time worked out. The equipment that they have and the calls that they make and the money that they get from Waterbury, I think was like $57,000 from the town of Waterbury, the city of Waterbury. Their budgets included, just like ours included. But they are volunteers. They are volunteers. Their site is a lot more about sorry about that. We're not paying the fire parts or we're reinforcing the town for the use of their equipment. That's a good point. I don't know. Just like there's some interweaves between the other things that we have here in the valley, but that being not I mean, I really don't want to ask we're depending on your equipment but I'm not going to provide any upkeep or money for it. That's why we're looking at $5,400 out of the back of $2,500 until it can be a more early response than you call it. It's up to the board. There's a meeting coming up and it's not over 30. We're going to go back and say look at our board and when you talk about the fear this just will bring back to that board. We have questions about volunteers and we have a lot of that we're going to pay for that so we're looking at reinforcing the equipment and the use of that equipment. Can you see that it's different from the number of volunteers who use this? The member of the valley also charges its customers. I don't know if they're not receiving as many of my in-laws there's a lot of people that will pay $100 for the whole year. It would be nice to know Flutterbridge. That's what I was thinking. That's where I was thinking. Are there financial reports? We need John to go back and request the actually I owe Mark Partway an email so I can know very good. Why don't you copy Katrina on that because she's been talking to you as well. Do you think we should ask them directly why don't you think you're different from the member of the valley? How are we going to get into that? I guess the member of the valley has operating expenses but I guess it would make it quite a bit from the ski areas to cover their operating expenses because you know I think that's correct. I can find that out too. I'm going to start opening a brazier or a team of warmers. It's making fair. I think I'm going to start. Let's go ahead and move on to the number of quotes. No, there should be more quotes. And I got someone like some pre-season ruffling was a bad one. Mike? Are you trying to bribe me now? You guys found a CD written on reference to the mail. I don't have any more information for you than the last pages for current which hasn't changed since 2011 I even know this is a copy from 2012. Plus the new stuff here the top three pages. Not plus. This isn't the new portal. That's the current contracts $8190. $5700? No, well, not included but maybe contracted outside the scope of this I guess. Since since 2000 it's gone from 650 to 750. Oh, that's the difference. That's the difference. The contracts got you. Yes, the current is $8190. The contract hasn't changed. So you lose him? Hmm? So you lose him? I asked Cheryl the same thing on that because it didn't go far enough and she said M is assist the town with administrative functions and the state processing. So that is because if this goes through the cloud services the state the state downhills will go right to the cloud services. So they don't have to show us how to use it they just do it. What is that? Right? Yes. What are you doing in the state downhills through the cloud system? So there is no longer a more town downhills from the state? It would go right to the cloud. Right to the cloud. So the use of the cloud doesn't say anything about what would be on the cloud for us? I only talked to Ed Claude Fufford. This is who the came from and he spoke with her about what was happening in the cloud. Documented there. I mean they're not all exactly the same. What is the difference? The difference generally is that they're taking out whisper involvement just like they're doing it. And then in is Mississippi. Yeah, I see that. If you have specific questions I can ask them. Mike, have you had an opportunity to look at this? Last week I had a chance to study or see what we entailed all of it. I do have a question is to try to include the work that our current consultant is doing. I don't know if you have a chance to clarify. I haven't clarified I was waiting to see what could we get Mike a copy of this stuff too because it worked doing stuff that impacted these guys. I think I'd like to have you and Governor take a look at this and go over it and making sure that things aren't you know, because I want to maintain what we're doing but probably how it works here and what it doesn't. So I'd like to be involved on this. In that schedule of time in the future if I don't have any? Yeah, because this is probably the next meeting we're very calling. Now the last time let me know what we said to you. As far as we're taking a look at this stuff all we have to come up with I'll give it a go. I may be recalling correctly but I felt the last time we were able to answer the question and this number did include everything that we're doing. I did share on that and she said yes everything plus the cloud but I told Mike I said I don't know what you do what you need to do there's no bits and pieces here and there but I'm not a listener. So Let's make sure it's all taken together working together now Mike. I think after you talked about the next time you bring this up it would be the 12th of the 19th I'm sorry. That's okay, first one in December or third. I actually hang on for a second basketball was in season and I don't know if I have a practice scheduled that night but I can probably work around it. We can make it earlier or later. So we're good with that Mike everyone else around the table? Yeah I just haven't had a chance to do this. You go and can you pass that stuff on to Debra? Yeah we're meeting tomorrow so I'll show it to you. And I'm going to put down 7th one because I know that Debra's not available on Monday until 7. Okay. And I can we'll see you at 7. All right so go ahead and move on to Montgomery Tune where the appeal moves. So I was in court last month and and what they talked about was continuing the discovery process right now. They wanted the map that the select board faced their decision on from where the email from Paul came from. Because in going through the process the judge did not want to get down to where she was going to have to make a decision or there was agreement and there was confusion about where the trail was. Not the trail but the trail which is what we were talking about. Right. And Travis was talking about that depending on where it was affected his heart in being a party for this. Which it would. So I think they were hoping that maybe it would not be a party in the case. So that was most of the discussion. But the judge said I want all the facts all the facts to be clear all the parties to have all the facts so that when it comes down to decision making there was no confusion or gray area in making this up or in somebody looking at it again later and saying well it was based on this and we're looking over here. So. Alright so again we have based on what we were talking about earlier I will certainly call Paul who's been wanting to clarify that what they're talking about on paper is what was actually 18. Did you recall what that is that?テジア. That was what the court panel got to. Thank you Pella for attending and any other questions on that? But I think you have the meeting here and from the employee in the library. Alright Alright, so why don't we go ahead and, Rayann? Hi. Why don't you, uh, come on up here. Yeah. Hello. Hi. Hi. Rayann. Hi. I'm Rayann. Hi. I'm Rayann. I'm Rayann. We're friends. So you submitted a letter of interest for the counter-article position? Yes. To tell us a little about yourself. Um, I, for the race and honor, have lived in Morton for nine years. My husband and I bought the old Bruce farm in a conservative way. We farmed it for a while. And a lot of life has happened in our family. So we are taking a little bit of a sabbatical form from it. And I'm studying at Morton Elementary. My daughter and son go to fifth grade. Fifth grade. A million years ago I used to look at a bank. And I know how to balance my children. I do my master's degree in education. Does that help? Well, I need to. The shares that you get out there show us that you can learn. Yeah. Yeah. You don't need to be here. Right. Go right to it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it's, it's seen first by like true honors. Yeah. Like a fourth check. Yes. Yeah. You're putting it together. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Making deadlines, you know. For us, you've been, all right, getting yourself into this. It's like, that's, that's very long. Your responsibility is full. Yeah. It's not on numbers. No. Okay. Okay. She's, she's coming in and talking to Cheryl. So Cheryl's going to have a whole lowdown on you too. All right. Any other questions for Ray? No. That's good. Good. Okay. I would move to. That's right. I'm in good position. Okay. So I can move here. Call. Thank you. I'll, I'll do what I can. I never do it. All right. Your first town position. Yeah. Where does that sworn in? Yes. We've got an officer. So we'll swear to you. Any time Sharon's here. Okay. Okay. I promise that I'll try to be as serious as possible. So it's okay. You're very much here. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. I'm coming in. Thank you. Your report. Sweet. Take this time. And. So. Okay. So. Our new library. Good fun. Okay. So. Okay. I'm. I'm. So. Okay. Okay. So my. Sorry, okay, okay? If you need to. Okay. I'm just. I'm okay. Okay. Okay. You're ready now. I'm good. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not. And. The library. Yeah. And I live in Roxbury. The library. My first library. How old were you when you started? I was about three years old. So you met a lot of challenged people, weren't you? Yes. I'm about 30 years old. But I also worked at Wethembe 3D and tried to be a sex. So I've been in the area, and I've been working there coming out for seven years. So I've been in the area for a long time. I have been, uh, worked at a pulmonary health cemetery. And then they shielded. And we moved to Vermont in 2011. And we moved to more of a time than we did at 5,000 blocks. We're pretty rooted in the area, but we have a big circuit. We have a one and a half year old daughter. And what was a lot of energy at the library? A lot of good things that happened in there. So I hope you can continue that. I'm excited to be part of it. Well, we're always here. You guys have questions in the library, you know, and I'm sure you'll be very welcome to come in any time. Thank you. It's an interesting year. Awesome. That's just very moving. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Michelle, I was just looking. They were just here to observe and meet me. Thank you. That's okay. I knew it. Really wanted to see us how it actually happened. It's going to be a really possible victory. She's going to close the rocks, right? All right, so the next thing on old business is the town administrator position. I know JB had some interest in this. JB had some email last week or at some point asked me for a copy. JB, come on up. I'm sorry. I said JB. What's going on? I know the last time we had to discuss the things, Jason was working on some stuff that we all contributed to. So this is not something that Jason has just come up with. There's questions and concerns from everyone. Jason's been the administrator for a couple of years. So Jason, do you have anything you want to share here? Yeah, so much of it depends on which job tasks your son to which job and how many hours your son to which job. I think that you collectively did an excellent job like gallery does job descriptions to meet your particular skillsets. Now the question is, what is it that we want to do? Do we want to open these inductive bids to see what applications we get and if so, what should it look like because that would necessarily be the same set of description items for each position we build them up. One thing that's pretty obvious is most jobs for a full-time job are 40 hours a week and if you were to sort these positions out to make the town administrative job 40 hours a week, then it kind of breaks everything else and that was what I wanted to discuss. An example of that, first the way the hours break out for the proposal that we put together which works fine for the three bids is that is for the assistant town administrative I do not have one of the... No, that's what he's just saying about it. There isn't much he also has to go through. So what was proposed as the assistant town administrator 20 hours, the town administrator 28 hours and zoning administrator 10 hours and even on a one-hour website in my house and then a few of those are matched together to make a particular job position. Now if we were to start off with the assumption that the town administrator is a 40-hour week job that makes the remaining work something that really would fall to one full-time position in a 10-hour zoning administrator with one hour E9 and one hour wait site and the assistant town administrator functions 8 hours per lap, putting 40 hours into the town administrator position. I don't know if that's necessarily the direction of the zoning, but that would be at a normal 40-hour position. So I was trying to think of how to approach this as something to open up to what's out there and still remain open to the person. I thought I had... The truth remains, at least certainly this time of year that the zoning work is... I do my work pretty professionally so to even ballpark at 12 hours at most times of the year would have more hours in that indicates that it's a two-session position. And I thought we had discussed that a little bit, but no, and I was saying the same thing. These estimates came only from the number of hours that you had worked out from the job and descriptions that you had worked out and then moving around to see how you've dealt with a 40-hour town administrator. Now, that said, I think that the resulting half-time position has a very odd mix of skills to it. I don't think it's a very practical thing to go out for and end up with a half-zoning administrator or half-assisted town administrator. It doesn't really work at all. So one way to do this might be to advertise the job and say that these multiple job positions should be worked at and have a proposal about which tasks the job may want to do. Because you can mix and match these definitely. So I'm trying to think of a way... That's struck me, too. I understand what you're saying, but I saw that. The truth of the matter is I didn't go to law school or practice law school to be a zoning administrator. This is something I came back to do to raise children with a pulmonary whiteboard. So I'm not something... I'm looking for more and so whether it be here or not, I'm not going to be zoning much longer because it's one thing if you work over in Stowe, or other bigger areas, there's just more going on. Salaries are better with law school loans and all that in my education. So I just want to... one possibility would be to potentially fund another zoning administrator. Just if I were to want to pursue a full-time CA position, which I am. So just kind of where I'm at. I absolutely agree. I understand what you're saying. Jason, have you done a job? So... you would foresee 40 hours just as down in this case? I would... I would... yes. Okay. Without me. No, without... You wouldn't use an assistant if you were working 40 hours. I was referring to... without the zoning. Well, because our hours are split between assistant and... No, that's so... No, I would just say... You would take it at 40 hours. Yes, exactly. Without anything else to do with it. Yeah, I... Jason, what you said makes sense in this room. I think it's different than the proposal originally. What I'm trying to do is come up with a way to have your proposal on the table and, at the same time, go out for public bids to see what other interest there is in doing comparison. And that's pretty difficult because the job structure that you proposed was designed for the review and it works very well for that. But what to compare it to? You also have very limited time. There's so much in the last two weeks that she should have been training someone to do that I'm the one there learning it. Yeah, I mean, Cheryl's not out here until... So that's the first of the few months. So I mean, I agree we need to make sure that our heads are in the sand, but, you know, this is something that we need to make a hasty decision to... Wow. There's one thing to keep in mind. Did you budget? Yeah. I think it needs to be done before quarter time and that's what we've talked about so we better figure this out in the budget in the next sessions. In the meantime, it seems like I should be prepared to look elsewhere. I think we're turning down the proposal. Well, I think the proposal in itself wasn't quite, you know, we could shore it up a little bit more. I had followed up with Katrina saying that at the very least, I should be over 30 hours a week in that of the GA positions. To be quite honest, I mean, I've been doing ZONE for so long that it doesn't sit on my thumbs and that was after the application. Right. And certainly, you know, E-91 coordinator I think I was on the floor with Shane. There's little things that it certainly could be done to shore that up. I think the way it looks right now might seem a little bit... Yeah, we talked about it. Jigsaw after. Yeah, I understand that. At the same time, I mean, I had $7,000 in law school that I started working on. I mean, I went to school, it's just that they have to take some, you know, I hope you can stay here. But I, too, absolutely understand that you need to put nothing in it and there probably are qualified TAs out there. I think you'd be a very vital candidate when you've been here. We look at a lot of things when you're looking at putting yourself in a position where you look at dynamics, office dynamics and stuff like that. A lot of good dynamics with all the data. And to Jason's point, we're trying to look at ways to make things work here. And we also need to look out for the best interest in the town. If it's, you know, 40 hours a week and a 15 hour a week job or however that's going to have to be. But I don't want to say you're kind of being that we're doing anything. There's all the info. And I understand it can be a little frustrating being on the board. Yeah, I mean it's weird, slow. I love you. And, you know, it's not, you know, some of the things we're kind of just starting with priority. Ray had a road wash out. John has a financial customer I have, a hospital. Jason's got, you know, a state budget. So it's and Cali, you know, she's got DCF, she's got kids and she's applying for a good job. So there's a lot of stuff and so we're sorry that sometimes those priorities, and I understand because John's putting money or taking bread to someone's pocket to be very serious. So I apologize. It feels like it's, I don't know, because you deserve the respect that everyone does but it just sometimes takes a little bit longer because, you know, it's not something we're not professionals at this job. I understand. I think that that can be reworked. I don't think that would be set in stone or I certainly I feel like it can be more valuable here as the kind of ministry that I can't as part of it. I think what this exercise is good is we have all that we looked at that information. It looks good to me, it looks good to Ray, but let's have someone and take a ruling and analyze it and Jason will figure out you know what, it kind of doesn't work but now let's figure out how to make it work. So why don't I know we have a lot going on in the next meeting but because it is important we put 45 minutes of the executive session to the board to work at the end of the meeting just on this issue and Jason will send out what he's got to put but we need to really seriously listen to me and come back to what we want this to look like because everyone needs to we need to wrap it up by the end of the year and figure out the bodies that we're doing it with. I think you put it very well it's a jigsaw puzzle and which pieces go where depends on the pool and I feel kind of obligated to look outside but that doesn't mean that we don't know your best but how to do that with these different pieces of the job isn't something that really needs to be done. To reiterate planning and zoning is not what I'm trying to do. I hope that when you're looking at this stuff that you'll ask questions I don't see how you can possibly know if you say that somebody does something but I don't know how I can possibly know how much of a problem you're going through and how much of a problem you're going through and how much of a problem you're going through and how much of a problem you could possibly know how long it takes to do some of these things I have absolutely no idea how long it takes to do each item I know numbers I know the aggregate that's presented to us so no I don't know the individual and I can't even ask for it So two Jason, Jason being kind enough to put together for us. I mean, that's why I gave you a year, y'all need this. Optimist. Yeah. No, no, it's not that. And you're going to have questions on how long it takes to do things that work for folks. Yeah. Very good. Thank you. Yeah. OK. Thank you. Thanks a lot. All right, so now let's look down until all the business continues. John, can we get everything on the finance committee? Yes. Right, Jason, you reported. Jason, yes. So I'm going to give you a point, Sharon. Right? You did? Did you do that? You didn't? You did. No, I don't think we, I don't know. We just said, yeah, I get the finance committee. You didn't get to a point like that. So I'd move to a point, Sharon, and Brian on to the finance committee. Second. Jason, seconds, and any further discussion? All in favor, go ahead. Aye. Aye. All right. So let's go back into new business, LHMP bid. LHMPB bid only. Excuse me. These two might have things. We gave one quote. We said that we're not moving to any commission. To find my scope of work very clearly. I read it all. They covered everything in the RFP. Two pages. How many people did we send that out to? We sent it out to only one request of it, Center for Automation and Planning Commission. We're going to pick those on the website. Only Center for Automation and Planning Commission calls and asks for it. Thanks for the RFP. Just people who work together. Anyways, they're not there, but the program's there. John has done it. How much is the grant fee? $10,100. So the RFP requests for a qualified consultant. The Center for Automation and Planning Commission calls on that category. If you look at the RFP, they're... Okay. I never would think of them as a planning commission. They can either have them at different levels. You'd be surprised. They have grant specialists. And the Andrea is an archaeologist. Yeah. Engineers and an engineer. She's a senior planner. So that's the grant. This is the grant they are through. Is it that net that looks like a grant or something? I don't think that they... That's what I put $10,000 on there. That's what we had. Didn't want you to have to open up $40,000, $50,000 a piece. Well, they are the only bidder. And they appear to be the only people with the winner. They're the only winners for the whole bidder. They're very qualified to do it. Well, I know we've worked with PAIN before and they've provided a lot of assistance. They know our goals. So based on that, based on the only bid, I would move that we go ahead with the Central Vermont Regional Planning Commission with a hazard mitigation planning services. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor, go right. All right. And now I'll show you. I want to talk about county budgets. I think I planted them out to everyone. Nope. They'll send us one. So you have your budgets in front of you so far. What will you receive? What are you going for? I did this again. Is this how you want it? Or do you think it was actually Tom Bogowski that requested it like this? But I did it again because I thought it was easier for me than the other one. Oh, that's good to me. All right. And I was actually able to put more on this one. OK. Sure. Go ahead. Yeah, we don't have the town office one yet because we don't know why. But I had time to sit down and share one. Without one, it's been a bit busy. We have the town hall. We have the library. We've got good places for you to start anyway and what we have so far. Is there anyone that want to come in and discuss there? Yeah. Let's see. Martin is going to be coming in next meeting. The run committee is coming in next meeting. The library won't be coming in unless we want them to. Their budget really hasn't changed from last year. We're seeing enough of them. There's also that other one there at home too with their different options in front of it for the library to stand with their budget. Oh, OK. Yeah. The library total must be 28,000 for that. It's 85,000 does not work. Well, it looks like... It must be 28,000. Obviously, it doesn't include the numbers in the previous page in the library. OK, but it's not much different than... It is. It's 4,000 different from what they took out. Well, no. I mean, if that's the total on the second page and we're looking at 22,100 edits of that, that's 30,000 seconds. That's about 2,000 left because they took out 27,200 ability statements, 22908. Is there a good question? Yeah. I have to do this all by hand. This is like automatic. 22,000 patrons per page is on the first page. 22,000. She said that was the total. Now that's the first page, yeah? Yeah. So that's what it is. It's like 30,600 or something. It feels like 30,000. 31,426,47. Let's go. Jason, do you have a question? Well, I'm thinking about combining something and trying to get the reward to a certain extent. When a department comes in and talks about their operating budget, can we also ask them to be prepared to discuss the upcoming capital gains and do that to a certain extent? Yeah, very good. When Martin comes in, I think you'll have a capital need. That's the only one that I know of a capital need this year. Yeah, but I'm asking for a few years out for the rest of your knowledge. We're looking at the budget now. Anything you want to explain? Yeah, I can tell them what I'm asking. Before you go there, let's... We're at the library right now. So I have some questions. They have library K at 14.1. What's the percentage? This is 9.2. I'll be over 10. What's... What percentage increases that? I'll be over... hours of money. I don't think I explained that. So that would be a question there. It's just as how we look at increased hours of work. Okay? It's 2%. It's a 2%? 2%? Yeah. Can I say the same persistent way? Yeah, but she... No, but we're looking at the actual... Yeah. 59.67 would be 2%. So she rounded it out to 6,000. So how are we proof that he is going to... Place it where we're on the library? Yep. And they're thinking that the building maintenance at 3.50 is enough? They don't have any big things anymore. 2000 was budgeted before because remember when we were replacing the windows, we had to replace the windows. Well, yeah, but I mean, if they say more... Yeah, but there's a whole new different thing to fill out. There's a whole... There's a whole other chart. So what if... there's a as-is moving and if we move budget? I think for this budget year, we need to look at this as just as-is. Anything that's new is going to be on some kind of paper that's... Yeah, which is why she said she's going in that way. Yeah. So we are just looking at this. So they have a separate... Yeah. You can take home and you can't sleep at night. You can't bed. In the meantime, we're going to concentrate on what we did this year. Okay. So it looks like overall, they were looking at about $500 less than they were last year. So I'm okay with the library, if anyone else has any questions, that was 2%. And that's something that we'll look at as far as pay. We'll do that all together, but for long-term purposes, they can keep... Right. I know you were jumping ahead to kind of break those questions down or think of those. Martin's coming in. So there's no sense of waste of time on thinking about what it could be or couldn't be. Let's wait until we get the guy here to answer your question. So I'm sorry to say, I'm very sorry to say the state values was 0.65% for the upcoming work. Yeah, it was kind of... 0.65%. Yeah. So it's only in constant living. Well, you can take any more information. So another roll right here, town reports, any question on town reports? So let's check that out. We get the library checked out. You did step the town hall on the first page. Let's get that written on it. I know. It was like a... She reminds me of a little chum out. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I love it. Me too. You have to take it to me now. What's a chum out there? Don't put that in the page. I don't. You can't like chum out there. I don't like it. Any questions you want me to start talking? I don't have a choice. No. Wait a second. So let's start at the top. Okay. To study the wages. So the hours went up before it was only scheduled at 63 hours a year, and I moved it up to 92 hours a year, which is only 1.8 hours a week. But I think that if that had been being done in the past, it would have some of the problems we have. It's also... You know, when you are, it seems like you're spending the time you're doing... I do. That's about what I've been doing so far. You're doing a good job. Thank you. Because I asked for a quote or something. Just in that position. Just so you know the difference. All right. All right. So that's good. I want to know that. So in this hours, it's increased hours, how many hours? It went from 63 to 92. And I started 29 hours a year. And that pay, how long? Does it cost wages? 1601 to 1663. So why do you think that should be? Because I think... I mean, it's not just clean. I think that's like a quarter of what I do. But just the ideas that I have that if it does stay the same, I have a lot of ideas. I'm not afraid of them. I'm not afraid of them. I'm not afraid of them. I have a lot of ideas. I'm not affirmative. And I did the whole table and chair thing. And I've made more than what I'm asking for in a week. Yeah, I think that if it stays the same, all that we can make more money off of it. I used to do event planning. So... And it's a lot more than I used to. How'd you come up with the 1663? That was... What did I... 1601 is what it means, right? Right. And then I did 1601. I think I did... I think I did 2% and then 2% is what I did. Because I had it at 2. And then I said, no, I want to ask for more. And so I did it again. I think that's why the math doesn't add up. So if you actually did 1601... And how many hours a week? Trina, is that... You said 1.9? It's like 1.8 hours a week. So that too is the end of what we want. Other stuff will work in line. That I don't hear. So we got to get that... In blue condition? Yeah. Alright, if I could just... That's nothing there. So the billing maintenance. So what I have factored in there is the rest of the painting and the basement floor I have factored in the cost average of... I don't know if you remember when I gave you all those different flooring options that could possibly go down there. The average of them was $2,500. So it's just the cost of the material plus my labor. But I didn't add labor in there. I just did the material cost. Because I'm sure I can work it into whatever hours I'm already working on. If there's new floor, I'll clean it a little less. So I'll spend time cleaning the floor and cleaning it a little less. And that's all that's in building maintenance. There's a lot more that should be done. And it was $5,500. It's like $51 something for the... Actually, I know it right here. So the basement floor was $2,500 is what I was asking for. And then the outside paint that's left is $58,89,87. And then there's a few things that happen every year which is the fire extinguisher service, elevator service and then the heating service. That's another... So $840 of that is service that happens every year. Manager Tory? Yeah. Okay, I'm thinking on that again. We're not happy at all about the painting. We should, I think, have invite this guy into a next meeting or a meeting to find out what the plan is to... to ask to go forward with this guy. I stopped the other day to take a look at the building. It's not a very good quality job, especially on the back side. And there's things that were done with cloud boards that were supposed to replace, that I haven't been replaced that he was up on. He shot one side and he had it done because of three sides. Because he couldn't... He had a lever and a lift and then... But what he said to us is this is how it was going to be changed. Oh, I totally agree with this. So I want to talk to you about that. But we need to finish so. I think that number's probably a big number. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. There's a thing I want to... that has a lot of good reviews that I want to try on the wood floor to make it last longer because it's not sandable. It said it was the last time it should be done. And this is a product that they use on a gym wood floors to restore its shine. It's supposed to last for, like, up to a year. So it's... The bucket itself is $150. So that's what half those supplies are. Is to try to... Have you tried any one that she used to? I've only read reviews, but there's, I don't know, over 5,000 reviews. What's it called? I don't have it on me. Yeah, it's kind of like a pour-on thing. You just use, you know, a wet mop and you can start it around and then let it dry. It doesn't have to, like, level or anything like that. It's supposed to... It's a clean and really good first. So just a little bit of proof, if you have a chance. Just after you're done. So it's a full-release? Success? No chance. Just what we still need to be sanded. No, that's not... It's made, that's... You're not supposed to have to. Because Jim Flores have all the painting lines, so they don't, that's the purpose of it. Is to avoid sanding out. Yeah. Yeah, so obviously there's stains and stuff. But the floor, I mean, it's not... If there's no real big discoloration, it's just, it's not shiny so it never looks clean. When it's wet, it's beautiful. Yeah. And where, obviously, there's no depth of retirement. There are interests, so... So I think, I don't know, we'll say right at the side, from the side of the way. Yeah. Also, there is depth. Oh, there will be. Oh, I hadn't talked to you about that. Yeah, that's what that is. All right, so we're not going to be saving that 5,000 of dollars. Look, what was that? There is depth of retirement. I don't know. Because there's 30,000 dollars from this year. Oh, you mean the total budget? Yeah, the total budget. Not the debt return rate, which is not in the actual... Yeah, that's what the numbers will be. Yeah. It'll stay the same. Pretty much. I'm interested in that a little bit every year. Yeah. All right, so... Okay. Yeah. All right, so our first training I've done that one, too? Yeah. That one's mine. It's pretty much, I did a 2% raise on that one, too. Everything else is... What is this one? I don't know. It's the CPA bookkeeping services that still... Not even that one now. Is it here? So it's up to 10%? This four dollars. Not my life or two. I'm sorry. Yeah. The CPA itself then go up. It's a numeric that balances the checkbook and stuff that actually checked that the CPA wanted done. They've gone up a little bit for an hour in the week with the processes. One of the big statements come in. The treasurer doesn't open them at all, that's what the CPA wants, the auditor guide. They've done it online by numeric and then our talent auditors open up the statements and review them as part of their audit. That's the only thing. And the audit check invoice. Yes. But a basis, yeah, you're right. All right, so they're going to do the auditors listers to make they want to come in. Not unless you've got a problem what they put in here. It's um, they have two new items, the last two on the bottom. The five of them you've already approved, the tax amount and the conscience, I think you approved those earlier. Yeah, but you're next on the last meeting that we do it for. Did you hit the dimensions as well? Yeah. That's when Don Buxton came in and you agreed that was that was the mistake in my minutes where I said it was something that was supposed to be more. This was the total, they agreed to do it for $3,000 in minutes and $3,000. They agreed because that's what was in the minutes to do it for that. He said, you know, the tax mentions should be five but they agreed to do it for three. Well, that way I'm never here to say. Um, yeah. Yeah, if you want, if you want good numbers to change down the tax amount, yeah. The $500 there is just for the index. So if you came in and looked up Ray Watchburn, you go in there and you find your acreage and you find what tax method is on and you find the latitude and the longitude and all that stuff. If we went with a new number of contracts it would be roughly the same as there's two lines and two listers now. You can't do it without your listers altogether. Right, so that was if the top number was $2,000 more then you still have something in there for listers. Right, well I think what he's saying is it would be 2,000 in there for listers and then 2,000 up onto the consultant. Close. That's very close to the period. I'm not going to wait until we figure that out and then number around, but at this point of course too, we're going to get to the next one. Sorry, has the plan information blacked up? So much better we'll leave it to that. So like for obviously there's two yeah, that's all the worst of that is on us when we figure out what we're doing with that position. You can give yourselves a 0.675% rate of this. Not without asking the authors. Really? Yeah, you're going to make the request the authors hold the highest power in the town. Alright, so what time is it? 8.15. You know what, I think we're scheduled to get out of here at 8.10 so we'll go over a little bit. So if you really want to be prepared to go by capital that's your future. So why don't we hold on a budget now, if everyone's good with that. Tell everyone, thank you for getting stuff in, thank you for paying attention. We have a few things to sign tonight. So I have our assignments with microsphere, this is what they're making changes to the grant list, 2018 grant lists, you guys can take a look at that. Those are based upon the grievances of the group. Now this is, again, you've been following in what category you're looking to sign off on. Don't you guys have to go that way with that? So this is the state telling us to check the bridge out, I'm going to add a red disk. The attention needs to be done to the Oxbridge what they're doing is with that, is they're saying, okay the state's notified the town, they'll do something about it, someone gets hurt the town is liable. I talked with Martin about that they're always signing that front copy that one night, you don't want to sign the next, they'll sign them if it says 11. Just the first page. I talked with Martin today don't sign the one on the bottom. That one, the reason for that is you'll sign that other one I've got it already for 11.50 site visit. And what I believe Martin is going to call Blu and Cody and J.D. McNall, whoever and see what it would cost to fix that bridge see what their recommendations are to replace the bridge whatever and then when the grants come out in February we'll apply for a grant which bridge was that bike hop through where's that one on the other side on the mountain road well we did some work on that you're so lucky that's where I was going I was thinking too but it's over, that's over in the same place or in the same last one or second to last one Is that a class 3 class 3 it's not on hop show it's on the mountain road it gets really narrow right there on that bridge as long as we're following up on the boom to make it safe that's it I guess does the whole board have to sign that or does Cali and John take the work part they need to fill out yeah I think Cali's John this is yours what's that they can give the old bridge to George yeah so we're going to put you in charge of that one okay do you want to start with that because we're going to work before next time the biggest thing is really take a look at that for county administrators I'm on the same line I'd like to spend some time at the next meeting I'm serious on this personal policy I think we need to you know why don't we incorporate that into that whole discussion that 45 minutes is going to be in the executive session as well that ties into everything so yeah I would be great thinking about it and I'm going to get a lot of chocolates should throw mine down there too so this was the other stuff from the library one of the guys that you have but there's nothing going to be at them at least tax credit is this just from or previous coming into the town okay those are around pretty big names but the checks here there were a lot of objections from that that showed up in the legislature as we go right past it I guess there wasn't a wall set to be on the odd chart just now yeah just I'm going to back on the letter to the school board it would be nice to just let Gabe send them that I think it's or I can make sure we're sending them out what we're doing but yeah John I appreciate Peter coming out I'm part of the high school I did the middle school one I asked him to do that I don't know what town he was in keep yourself busy there come with Jim perfect all right all right I'm moving to adjourn all three we're on it thank you everybody