 Kiwenisha kwa kisha siya fweza wa kwa, kwa hwadi tukiawa wazufu kutuwa hwadfizcawa hwadi kwa maiida ubeza ya kama s committees bwadi, kwa kwa tumikisha ubeza mweza muhaa kwo mwadi, kuwiyama tuwezutu, wazufu nchisha wazufu kwa yungiwa naunwa. Yu wa mwa ubeza, kwa kwa wazufu mwaeza. Yungiwa kwa waza yungiwa njwa kwa, kwa waza kwa kwa ubeza kwa, kwa waza kwa. kwa kwa 2kwa njwa, kwa kwa nja, kwa konilu kwa, Weido mizyana, kwa kwa hiniwa, kwa hiniwa kwa puniawe uzi mzita ngao kwa hiniwa hiniwa na uzi tika na sektia. Pa hiniwa kwa 118,000 vizida wouldni, wajatawe na 12,000, uzi miziya bewa toka na tia na na n injured. Kotakaa, wajatawe na kwa hiniwa kwa hiniwa. Na kwa hiniwa mahiwa ozi tika na mahiwa liniwa, kwa hiniwa miziya wajatawe na sektia. Kwa miziawe ya miziya tujiiru, gatawe mezi niwa hiniwa na uzi nала hani u reallyi kuhenan kizaka ga kimakburgufibi kufstockoh 150,000 hari silaいました killedz n dance kuha tyi ke Bean incribitu una bulabled inkwene ubo kama k meetsends Hazera b Kia Marta Maya Kinsifully yoko We have a job already. So before you get there, it's a whole thing. And along with us in the studio is MD Wambugu who is from Skillfix to actually take us to the Jani Karebusana. Thank you so much. Good morning and nice to meet you. Good morning. It's good to have you. Karebusana. So we're going to start off by just a little background of how you got into Skillfix and how you've done mentorship and you continue to train people. Not only just in the job sector, but in many other facets as well. So just a little background of yourself. How did you get there? Okay. Yeah, thank you so much once again. It's wonderful to be here and be able to interact on this quite pertinent topic of professional development. So my name is Wambugu. I'm the CEO for Skillfix International. I have quite a long history in the job market. I've had an experience of around 12 years in the job market. When I got to a point where I felt now it's time to run my show and I felt there was quite a huge gap in the job market. And one of the gap was matters to do with leadership where I feel we have so many managers in many companies but then very few of them are actually leaders. Probably that's a topic for another day. Leadership. Yes, yes. So one of the things we do in Skillfix is actually corporate training on matters leadership, transformational leadership. The other thing that we do in Skillfix is professional development which now carries all these things that we are talking about today. Matters to do with the interview coaching, CV writing, career development and how you as a professional once you get the job how do you grow from one level to the other. It's probably, I would say it's how to climb the career ladder. So we also do soft skill training because most people who end up getting the jobs you find to maintain that job or to retain that job you actually need to have some skills. Things like communication skills. If you're not good with communicating with other people in the workplace then chances are you may not retain that job for a long time. So those are some of the things we do and so far we've actually seen quite an improvement in a number of people that we've actually interacted with and the feedback we get even on social media you'd be able to see it's quite a good thing that we are doing to help the youths out there to be able to grow in their career. Absolutely. And what did you study? For somebody who's watching, they were like, who's this MD? First of all, you have titles in there. You're the founder, you are the CEO. You also do training. You are a whole package in that skill forum. So you do go to school, do you have a master's degree or something? So initially I did the nursing. I'm actually a trained nurse and I actually even practiced for two years in Nairobi Hospital. Right. But then from there I had an interest on what happens in the insurance industry because you realize the healthcare and insurance industry they're actually symbiotic. One can't do without the other. So getting an experience of both areas would now make me a competent person working in either insurance or healthcare. And so after some time working in Nairobi Hospital I joined the insurance industry. That is jubili insurance. But then one of the challenges I got and that's why I said that these trainings they actually really help is you'd find when you go for a meeting because you see now jubili is a business as opposed to Nairobi Hospital which was a hospital. So this one you're dealing more with the matters to do with business. And so we would go for meetings and they would say things like ROI and I have no clue what those abbreviations mean. So that led me now to go back to school and do my degree in business management specializing in entrepreneurship. From there I did my masters in business management still specializing in strategic management. And then soon I'm planning to enroll for my PhD. And so all these courses and especially to do with business management they also play a very vital role when it comes to managing my skill fix business. Absolutely. Did you see maybe like a gump in the market in Nish since you had mentioned you have over 10 years experience in the employment sector you've worked with several companies as well. Did you see the need to ensure that you train young upcoming professionals or did you come from a place of inspiration as well like the other reason I've given you? Nish or inspiration? No. See what happened? For example for the various companies that I've worked in most of these companies have been involved in interviewing and so I had an opportunity to have a look at a number of CVs as I should at least know who do we call for an interview who do we live out and all that. And so in that process of looking into these CVs that's where you realize guys really need a lot of training because you look at a CV and you realize this CV probably must have been written when this person cleared high school. You know those CVs that we do immediately after college and they were like I just need something to show what I'm doing. Like a sketch. Just a sketch. Right. And so you find someone for so many years they've been using the same CV it's not updated to really represent who you are currently as a professional and one of the things we do besides just writing the CV is also taking you through on how to present yourself as a professional on that document. Right. And why I'm saying this is because remember the CV is the first document that gives an impression of who you are. So as we talk about the job seeking journey we start with the CV and so this document there's a lot of things that people tend to overlook. Right. But in real sense they are very important. Yeah. So that gave me now an epiphany where I was like this is actually a gap which we can close Right. And considering the employment rate in Kenya. In the country. Then we felt this is something that would really help the young people out there. Right. And maybe just to add you know the job market is like a funnel. So there's a wider opening on the top and the narrow one. Okay. So we have so many people looking for jobs. Right. But only a few of them will be able to succeed. So what we do is we sell that confidence whereby you're able to amongst the many who are there at least you have higher chances of being among those who will be selected. Right. And when we talk about training why the name skill fix I think there's a mist during introduction. Yeah. Almost sounds like Netflix. Yeah, skill fix. Yeah, I mean we get all kinds of names. Right. We can say skill flux. Yeah. There's even one called Skillshare. Skillshare for content creation. Yeah. So the inspiration was from our goal is to fix the skills. Right. I mean if you are invited for an interview even without training there is already that which there's something that you you already know about interview. So you already have the skill. Right. So we are here to help you fix that skill just to make it a little bit better. Once you have the training you have the degree Yes. you need to compose yourself professionally. Exactly. So we are fixing your skills. So from fixing skills then we get the name skill fix. Skill fix. And then international is probably speaking to our vision because our vision is to be known worldwide. Right. Yeah. Wow. Because I'm looking at it from a point of there's so many young people out here who finish actually annually universities channel over over 5,000 graduands every year. True. And all of them have a vision and a dream of getting into some sort of company getting this job but then they just don't know how to calibrate themselves to a place they can position themselves professionally until they are liked by this company and selected. I don't know if the HR is allowed to like someone CV or we liked it professionally so that's why we selected you I don't know perhaps you can also share on that like a person's personality and then they say hey, we saw some one, two, three things we loved it and then that's why you're here is it possible Zo? Now maybe let me say it's nothing is impossible nothing is impossible but the bottom line is not I would say the bottom line is the content yeah and there are two ways we're looking into a CV these companies that have the human resource looking into the CV and there are companies that use systems or other bots that are called applicant tracking system but this is basically for the huge corporations that they don't have time to go through all the CVs where you find like one job has over a thousand applicants so the recruiter may not have time to sit down with all those CVs and look at them so you find they go through a system and now to see who has the skills that you need and I'll be talking that probably in a few so for those who are looking at this document physically like a human resource officer sitting down with the document then what matters the most is is basically the content of the CV for example number one the organization of the document so you find there are things that people have it's not organized so you find there's a job that comes after the other yet they don't follow each other the mix up of where you worked and all that you find the skills don't match what they are looking for and that's why writing a CV also requires that you optimize that document and the keywords so for example specific words that should be resume so for example I'll give you an example if you're applying you need to showcase that the skills you have are skills to do with people management skills to do with the data analysis things that speak to this person who is looking at your document to see that yes this is the person I am I am looking for and that's why it is actually not advisable for you to use the same CV to apply for all the jobs that you you come across and then you find there's also the presentation of your JD what were your roles in the company that you were working in exactly so you find people don't really bring it out in a way that would make this other person understand what was your duty in the other places that you worked in so if there's that ambiguity of information in a CV definitely me as an employer I'll be like now this one let me keep it aside because it's not giving me what I need and then you find people tend to put information that is not necessary in the CV for example there's this first section where people put the biographical data which is not necessary why should you put your ID number there you put your marito status you put your ethnic or whatever religion those are things that would actually make you be disqualified they come they can I've seen I've been someone at an audition and somebody had to do their name their ID number their father so many things exactly so what happens what happens is it is not right for someone to be bioted about such information is it because it's too personal I'm just unnecessary but human are human for example if you put for me your date of birth I'm looking for someone who is 24 years and below to employ you see now that doesn't give you an opportunity to come for the interview and present yourself I'll disqualify you before you even stepping and then we have people who are biased by nature let's say you and you can't tell so this person will look at the CV and see this one comes from this particular tribe we've had an experience with that tribe before so let's just kick the CV out so we should say put information because you see CV is a professional document put information that presents you as a professional so what are these information your contact your email address your your postal address your name those are enough then from there now get into the professional summary present yourself as a professional and going downwards now professional staff is that like a tagline maybe that's there's a place where it's called like a profile like so and so and I'm seeking employment in blah blah blah is it necessary to also have such a tagline on your CV not really not really basically what I say if I was to take you through the format of a CV at the top have a very nice name in bold and you know a good font that shows this is my name Daniel Wambugo then your personal details that is your mobile number your email and postal address once you do that then come to the professional background so I usually see most CVs have I don't know career objective I mean objective that is you as you don't have to tell me you don't have to write to that what I need to know is who are you as a professional so when you get to the next section now the professional summary that's where now you indicate who are you as a professional so I would say for example if it was me I would say I'm a healthcare stroke insurance expert for the last 12 years I've worked in these companies I've gained these skills this is the difference I know I would bring to the industry that presents you as a professional then from professional summary you go to maybe skills skills now you speak of skills that actually communicate to the employer and now these ones you look even into the JD so what I do for example I would go into a JD look at what is a job description and what they are looking for and then I figure out which skills from that JD do I have and those are the skills that now you put into into the CV and then from there now you go to working history starting with the most recent going down ones to the oldest oh you start with the recent employer yes you start with the recent employer and then you go down out to the one that you started with then you go to education and education you actually don't even have to indicate your grades unless you're a graduate right but if you're so experienced in the industry like you I can only imagine your CV exactly because you said you have you have masters you've studied in several institutions now you have to include I got accredited I got a B plus in a high school that's not necessary you just indicate the school that you went into the certificate you got and which year right because you see right now it's a must to write the year yes the year you graduated it's good to mention so that at least we are able to see you know the flow of your education and employment and all that yeah that that chronology of like yes exactly because you can lie you can say in 2012 I was in 2012 you were in primary school true and then once you're done with the education right then you can go down to maybe other experiences I mean other technical trainings that you've had the short courses you can go to hobbies although hobbies not really necessary especially when you're experienced but when you're new in the job market then you can put the hobbies yeah and then referees there's another tricky part referees should you can indicate available upon request it's not necessary for you to write referees yeah but when the advert specifically says yeah that you have to indicate referees at least indicate three then you have to indicate with a daytime number and email yes so the reason why we say it's not necessary or mandatory for you to really indicate the referees is because you also don't want to leak out the number of the people that you you've indicated as your referees because you can imagine if for example I wrote you as my referee and every CV I send out there has your name, your number your email all those things and maybe I frame us out here and you're a famous person for example or you're even a senior person in a company and this is I'm talking of something I've actually experienced someone writing me as a referee and then I start getting people calling me adding me on WhatsApp groups asking, soliciting for money and those are things you want to protect your referees from so you apply for 20 jobs which you don't get shortlisted and then that means those are 20 people or even more with your number your number you see and with the referees exactly so that's why we say you can actually indicate available upon request because what happens is after the interview the employer will always reach out to you and tell you please share with us and why they do that I've also done that at some point is because most referees that people indicate on that document are people who they've not even interacted with for the last 5 years or they've never seen or met exactly so you find even if I called them without consulting you whether they are current some of them will be like I don't remember this person you know I think I met them close to 10 years ago so I don't even have a clue maybe this person became a thief and you don't know or they've never even worked they're not even in this profession exactly so it's you can indicate available upon request and then once the employer reaches out to you then they would be able to you would be able to provide the most current referees now those are people who you've interacted with recently people you're working with maybe in the current employment that you're in and all that so basically just to interrupt is it also professional to allot them there's a time I applied for something international and they said you must list the email the functional email in a functional contact because they were to contact that referee to just ask them about you is it to Sakwa was worked here as blah blah blah blah so what if what if you don't want that kind of transaction but out here you are on the extreme end yeah sorry come up again without question I didn't quite get it they want you to list a valid email and a contact of your referee and contact them without even you knowing what they will talk about so how do you protect yourself from such maybe they'll ask things that maybe they're supposed to be confidential they'll be like how was he behaving how was she how was her her worker grading et cetera et cetera like why is that because this job this was like I think it was a U.S. job yeah and a rating some sort of international rating so what are you sure advice about that is you know communication is key right for example if you ask me to share with you three referees one it is not advisable to just share someone who you've not alerted that I'm actually indicating you as a referee so at least inform the other person that this job I've applied this position it is in this company they might contact you asking you about who I am and for me I advocate for honesty because you can lie but people I know people reach out to referees and they actually coach them when they call you I want you to answer like this and tell them this is who I am so that I get the job so I get the job but I advocate for honesty and I usually say as you also look for a referee you know you're the one in need and you're looking for a job please look for someone who you know can share a good report about you because you know you may be my boss and then let's say we you know human is to error and probably we had a bit of a rango so chances are if I write you as a referee and you will be called without my being aware maybe it's in another company that's competitive exactly so the thing is this person might actually put in the wrong word about you so that's why I say at least get someone who you're in constant communication someone who you know can give a good report about you and someone who is available and someone who knows you as well I do not advocate for lying because at the end of the day once you get the job you may lie all your way into a particular job but remember the employer will also do a background check on you and background check may be may not even be through your referee they may even go to your social media handles and figure out who are you outside employment and so that may also affect you somehow and that's a good facet because we live in a world where infact at some point we will ask to share how many followers do you have on digital in total that actually gives the employer an upper hand to see like what is your personality online your digital footprints what do you post the things you share on Twitter so they are already speaking on your behalf professional even the kind of photos and the post chest how do you it can also determine I was shocked somebody was fired from a job just the way they posted but it was really petty bro that was petty a photo seriously when we talk about professionalism it's a whole different story and we are looking at values and values that define who you are and so social media has become so strong nowadays in that a company reputation may actually be affected by you as an individual and what you do out there I'll give you an example of a company I worked in I won't mention which one one of the staff actually went to a club to drink he was so drunk and drink all those dramas wearing a tisha that belonged to the company so you see now that already when people take the picture they will not see the guy they will see the tisha they are like oh guys from this particular company this is how they behave and you may end up losing clients and I'll give you another example when you open Facebook and this is why I say young people need to be very careful even as you use social media be very careful things you post there because they might actually affect your career in the future and without knowing you may think I'm just enjoying today but this may come to bite you later so for example when you login into Facebook and that section where you're supposed to type or to update there's usually some blood statement there that says what's in your mind what's in your mind so the moment you post and you type weird things in there basically you're telling us this is what is in your mind so if you're posting things that are educative and you're telling us you've got content in your mind and that's what we are looking as an employer we need someone who can perform we need someone who is informed sometimes they go to that extent of even looking at your social media calling your referees calling your former employer even the HR I've seen some who even contact your former university because you see now people are also forging certificates so they go to that extent they just go to NEC and they are verifying website exactly that was just an example but they are quite a number of organizations that do that and quite a number of ways they can verify whether your documents are actually legit and maybe you can take us through at skill fix how do you walk through someone to appoint they are now professionally accepted in the market for anyone who is watching and they want to plug in at skill fix where you do all this what is the journey that you take them through until they are ready for a job ok so basically our target market is graduates and young professionals who are looking to grow in their career or anyone who is looking forward to changing their career and then when we come to corporate training it's for all managers and leaders in any organization in the industry because transformational leadership cuts across the entire all industries that is so for someone who is looking for a job we begin with CV writing so what we do is we would ask for your current CV where we have a look at it and see whether it fits the standard that is acceptable and whether it's well organized it has all the sections in a nutshell we look at the CV whether it presents you as a professional you are and now once we look at the CV and we realize it needs some work up then we would now work on the document after working on the document then we would add you into our subgroup we have our subgroup currently it has around around 400 people and due to the fact that we have people from various industries and various companies I get to have a lot of job opportunities from I would say across the nation so like in a day I would get across 20 job opportunities that have been posted in various places so then I would post these jobs into that was a group and so any person who we do a CV for then we usually send them a link so that if you're willing you can join the group and if I post any job and these jobs are from junior positions to even the senior most positions and so if you find a job that you feel you're interested then you would apply and we would guide you into this is what you need to do we need to maybe customize your CV so that it fits the job looking at the skills which they are looking for and we also do an analysis of yourself to identify whether are you comfortable with these skills because I also don't want to do a CV and then it ends up we lied in the CV that you are good in data analysis and then you go to the job you're given a spreadsheet to work on and you have no clue what is going on so we also vet you to understand what are the skills that you have and do they match with the JD which is here and then we customize your CV now so once you apply for the job and we do all that and you are called for an interview then you would come and if you want that is we take you through an interview coaching session most of them we actually do them virtually but if someone wants physical we can always organize and have it done so we take you through an interview coaching session and interview coaching session is basically talking of the basics for example when you go for an interview I always tell people invest in a suit something nice you don't appear for an interview with a t-shirt and some sports so have some professional sweatpants exactly so at least have something presentable that you know will command respect even in the room they say you are addressed the way you are addressed yes so you find when you dress well it even gives you confidence somehow confidence just comes because you are feeling you feel good when you dress well you feel good and you are confident exactly then we have things like at least get there before time because I have had situations where the candidate comes so late and you see the moment you come late one you will come sweating two you will not feel good about yourself now because your mind is like a half point plane why I came late and so eventually everything evaporates we are talking of things like even searching the company background check on the company exactly so you need to understand what are some of their values they can speak to them they can feel this is one of us it's only that he or she is not yet in our company why is it important to do that because one of the guests here we spoke to she said she spoke to my co-host sometimes you are entering in this organization thinking you are going to make money but not you are not going to make money so it's good to ask the mozita toxic environment who are the bosses and how do they relate if it's toxic ask former employees who are there they will tell you the truth because they have nothing to lose so if for example you want to come to work at Y you do a background check you run for your life very fast I don't know is it cool to do that yes there are two reasons to do background check one of the reasons remember an interview is not only for the employer to know you it's also an opportunity for you to know the employer so you're both making decisions you can interview me and after I listen to what your company is all about I decide I'm not working for you even if I'm successful so it's a two way you're here to know about me as a candidate and as a candidate I'm here to know about you so the two reasons why you do a background check one of them is because you want to understand the company and what they stand for what are their values you don't want to go to a company where you know they are malishias how do you know they are malishias that's an example is that the toxic walk environment because you know I've heard so many stories around toxic walk environment we all kwanase maivi they treat people like this but still people manage to apply and stay and there's even somebody who is saying that you know your mental health is worth more than a job and I'm like you need the money go for it, survive so the reason before I forget like I said the employer wants to know who you are so by studying the company background from their website and I'm talking of basically their mission so that you can see whether you'll be able to align yourself are you able to contribute to their vision because you also don't want to join a job which you don't like so you're just studying the background so that as you interact with the recruiter you're able to present yourself as somebody who agrees with your mission their vision and you actually have the values at heart of that company but on this other side you're also doing a background check so that you know now this is for you whether this is a place where I would want to work for example like you said if you inquire from former employees it has its own pros and cons and for example cons is someone may have a bad perception about a company but it's because they had an issue with it not that the company is bad so even as you do this background from other people you also need to have a space where you make judgment by yourself on how the company is I've seen people even do ghost visits ghost visits like in these guys yourself it's ghost visits because I don't know whether that's the correct term these guys in yourself exactly you go as a client and you just want to go and see how is everything here the work culture how do they respond to people exactly how do they talk to each other you work in there you sacrifice a few coins so you go and pay for a service see how everything is interact with people experience what you're about to get yourself into exactly basically once we take you now through the interview coaching you would then go for the interview and then at that point now it's up to you because we've already trained you so it's you now to showcase who you are as a professional to the interviewer now if you're successful then from there we come to another section we are now professional development we are now this is a consultation kind of a service where we now take you through and tell you now from here you charge for that yes we charge even for the CV writing all our consultation is 1000 shillings that is just for calling and say hi I'm Sangkwa and I want to get some 2-3 insights then we take you through everything it's usually based on years of experience so for graduates it's 1000 then it goes scaling up but the maximum is usually 10 years and above is usually a constant figure of 3000 in between it's affordable so we would take you through professional development where we say now you've gotten the job how do you grow from being junior staff to a CEO for me in my 10 years of experience I grew from a junior person to actually managing an entire hospital and there are still a new 10 years which it has reminded me there's this book called the leader who had no title he's I think a New York bestselling author Robin Chama he's also the author of a book called The Monk Who Sold His Ferrari and in that book he talks about he mentions of 10,000 hours that equals to 10 years that is a decade for you to become a master at the scale that you do so it's 10 years to do what you've done and now you're a master at it it really speaks on itself so we usually say there are some tactics and I would want to give my own story please do which inspired me even to guide other young people on how to scale from one level to the other please do number one is you need to grow professionally so you find someone has done a degree in marketing for example and then over a period of 10 years this person has done has not done any other short course so you find they are only looking for a job with their marketing degree that they did 10 years ago now that won't make you competitive so you need to have maybe give yourself like every year you have a course or two that you do and we have so many other companies out here which are offering online courses and they are very cheap even as cheap as 2000 so that at least you're growing professionally and that's one of the things that most employers will look at are you this person who is always advancing education wise and remaining current with the trends of your particular domain that is marketing for example so that's one of the things the other thing is networking get to interact with the high people up there for example for me every other time I met someone who is senior to me be it a CEO, be it a VP, be it an MD I would always ask how did you get to where you are I would storm to their offices and tell them how did you get to where you are at the moment and they would tell me I did business management I did this particular short course I did 1-3 and that kind of guides you into knowing what to do and one of the things that most graduates fail or forget to do just to mention is have a vision even as an employee the company's vision but you need to have a vision yourself so you need to ask yourself as an employee where do I want to see myself in the next 10 years so come up with a title and so you would say something like I want to be a general manager in the next 10 years now you've already identified your vision as being a general manager now what you do is go to the internet and google adverts for general manager job adverts usually they give you the JD they give you the requirements now concentrate on the two the JD and the requirements so that will guide you to know for you to be a general manager you need these and these these are the tasks you will be involved in on a daily basis these are the skills you need now write all of them down you can google like 5 or 10 JDs so write them down these are the skills you need this is the training you need these are the tasks you will be engaging in as a GM now in those 10 years that you've targeted yourself in this period that you've targeted yourself make sure now you achieve all those things that you indicated so if it is cool go back to school and do that skill it's possible you can have a degree like in broadcast I have a degree in some others as well so it's possible it's okay for me to upgrade and maybe do another maybe a different course that may be still relevant to what I've studied as I get the feedback on social media we had asked you a good question especially when it comes to do business you can always say it's free no, none of it is free so there's somebody who says that is Dennis Kiala and he says I will give you the money I will give you 40k I will give you the money you guys started with violence and then there's Anto Laxmuri Iman James thanks for that I will give you the money and I will give you the money and you can launch it okay, okay, okay but thanks for that this is Rasta Gelan good morning to you and I think that is Kuryo Mukura kohatiya Muranga well represented to you and then last one is JJ Ozengo and I say mama Mombasani hello hello I say mama Mombasani Karebusana continue watching as we finalize we got like 2 minutes to go for anyone who has been watching this conversation and they want to be a part of Skelfligs I don't know is their website is that link and maybe are there like maybe future packages that you guys will be offering and expanding the organization also I don't know did you say where the offices are located it's all online since it's all digital currently we are operating digitally we used to have an office but then due to some covid issues we decided to go online first but then very soon we will be having an office where people can actually visit we have a very strong online presence if you go to all our social media platforms that is Instagram, LinkedIn Facebook our handle is the same Skelfligs International our number is very simple to grasp it's 0700 2.1 2.1 so 0700 2.1 2.1 we actually have a website that is www.skelfligs.co.ke but at the moment it's under some restructuring cause we want to make it kind of there's some things we need to upgrade and so currently the website is not there but very soon we will be able to be going live with the updated site and I see you also have an email support at www.skelfligs.co.ke so if you're not able to reach us via mobile for example let's say you want to do an email then we have an email that is support www.skelfligs.co.ke and there's a place where you say your future begins here it's true we have been speaking I don't know also just one last question is it possible for someone to lie on the CV they've lied on the CVS but even when they come for the interview the confidence is A1 like here we can't lie on the CV to the adima referees etc and also the confidence will get them the job as compared to somebody who has that masters but has no confidence because also meeting new faces on a panel is really discouraging and you for example mentioned you're meeting your ex who's a post there you're like hey how do I even say good morning to you and you say good morning lady and gentlemen I'm a good morning ladies you know such cues really help you yeah I mean it's possible to lie it's possible to lie and this is where we say each organization should have a very strong human resource department so that they are able to capture some of these lies especially when they are doing their background check but you're right someone may lie I've seen that happen and then they would even go to the interview and they have rooftop confidence and they even get the job rooftop confidence yeah I mean their confidence is the rooftop and they even get the job and then you find these people are also very good at learning what's happening on the ground and they end up even joining the workforce and even performing better than everyone else who is there but what happens is that will always catch up with you at some point and the problem is the moment it catches up on you let's say you lied you have a master's degree you lied of a company you worked in you lied of the duties you did and then you get the job and you're even so good at your job in fact those people are so good at their job but at one point if it catches up with you then it affects your entire career your reputation is down because the moment you go to another job and let's say the other employer asked for a reference letter from your former employer definitely they won't write a good report but this person lied to join the workforce and then about greeting are you sure they say it's not rocket science when you walk somewhere I just say good morning everyone and that's it ladies and gentlemen make it brief good morning everyone and that's it so we have to go because we are out of time thank you so much that is MD on Bogu Founder and CEO of Scalefix International if you haven't been watching and you are jobless like I said being without a job is another job because you have a job of looking for a job so you have like three jobs before you get a job and in Kenya it's T for tough hopefully you've learned something and thank you so much for coming through and sharing your insights as well that's what we call it today thank you so much we'll see you next time right here on Why In The Morning