 Elder Statesman Edwin Clark asks the North to allow the South to produce the next president. And Keduna State Governor L. Rufai Sigs help his bandits run rampage in the state. This is Plus Politics and I am Justin Acadone. Now ahead of the 20, 23 General Elections Elder Statesman Edwin Clark has asked the North to allow the South to produce the next president in the country. Clark advised North and politicians to reconcedure their desire to contest the presidential election next year. He also warned that failure for Osaldarad to emerge as president would lead to chaos and possible disintegration of the country. Now this cousin with May is former advisor, special advisor to the Reaver State Governor Opponabo in Kotaurea. We also will have the Director of Strategic Communication Coalition of Northern Groups, Samila. Most of all, we'll begin with Opponabo on this particular day because good evening to you, Opponabo. Many thanks for joining us on the show. Good evening Justin, you're welcome back and good evening to you. Thank you so much, Opponabo. Let's just dive right into it right now. Elder Statesman seems to believe that if we don't produce the South that they don't get to produce the next president, there might be this integration that does wear his words and of course chaos in the country. Why is it important that we have a Southern president come 2023? Yes, it is important that you have a Southern president come 2023 when you consider taking down the environment, the geopolitical zones and also consider the sensitive nature of our politics. You know, it is also like in the United States of America, which is the NATO base of democracy. You understand that yet, democracy is all about the Geo-Retarianism. But even as that, to address the numerical differences and balances in the system, they ideated the issue of the college system, which is meant addressed and the whole essence is to steal the fear of the minority and the fears of marginalization, segregation and discrimination. Now, come back to Nigeria. They're not, as I always said, that it has to be based on majority who have a democracy but doubt about that. But there are situations that comes down, especially when the tenuous big issue of the encasement to come and there has been threats. You must fill the pictures on the walls. What steps are you to take? You have to address because the issue of marginalization and discrimination is what has stimulated the various crises we have in the country. the issue of, a lot of people believe that they have been discriminated against, and so they call for, they now have quasi-autonomous, so that their issues can be addressed, just like the South Easter. So, these are very sensitive issues, and that is why Eddington class, that if they are not handled cautiously, they're derisive with my, say, snowball into anarchy. That's the point Eddington class is making. That is why he's saying, and one way you can, because if you talk of the southern president, President Goodwill of Jonathan, of course, who was an accidental president, his presidency was a function of doctrine of persons. He was an accidental president, and because the Constitution so allows it. Now, when he was to go for a second term, that ambition was truncated, and it was truncated as a result of conspiracy. A lot of people believed that he was stealing the term of the Nassana, and that was how they all rallied around to support a Nassan president, and the person of Muammar Dupuare. Now, Dupuare has spent eight years, will be spending eight years coming into the 9th, 20th, 23th, and if you ask eight years, coming into the 9th, 20th, so the two years of late here at Muammar Dupuare, they not have spent ten good years in office, and if you say another Nassana should be met, then you are, because you have the numerical strength. That is irrefragable that they have the numerical strength. If you say another Nassana should be met, based on numerical strength, then you are saying the others will feel disillusioned. They will believe, because Nupuam has sometimes this much more building than outside trajectory. You have already said to them that they are not part of the Nassana, and they can never be. I am appealing. He said there will be a prescription for an appeal. I am actually appealing to other regions to allow the South to produce the next president, the South-South, or the South-East. Because the South-East, too, is also a victim of this marginalization we are talking about. So they should allow the South-South to produce the next president, coming into the 23rd, and it is only at that point you can assuage, like get post-Nigerians, if not 90% of Nigerians, and they will believe that they are part of this encasement we call Nigeria. So every part is right. But while I would debate a little, is that he said it would be a prescription for an appeal. It could be insidious, in other words, it could lead to it. But I will not want to put down on the neck of anybody. Because if the person is constitutional right, I will appeal to them to allow the South-South to produce the next president, coming into the 23rd. Alright, thank you, Opinabao, for your opening, Salvo. Let's bring Samayla Mosa into the conversation. He is the Director of Strategic Communication for the Coalition of Northern Groups. Good evening to you, Samayla. Thanks for joining us on this particular discourse. Samayla, are you with us? Alright, let's continue with Opinabao. Hopefully he will be able to get some Samayla so he can also share his view concerning this issue that we are looking at. Now, Opinabao, let's do talk about this insistence of the South controlling the hems of affairs that come 2023. When he said the South specifically, he was not really talking about either the South-South or the Southwest or the Southeast. Going by the fact that we have ethnicity as one of our major challenges in the country, don't you think that another issue that may arise would be who would be in the forefront? Should it be the Southwest or the Southeast or even the South-South? I will advocate because the South-Pers had two terms, KTL, in the setting of a political abasement, 200 years ago. The only 10 years that was truncated were the last 10. And that's why it refers to genocidal administration as accidental. Now, I haven't said this, they cannot go to the Southwest. We are having Southwest, somebody from the Southwest, as vice-president of the Federal Government. And it cannot go back to the South. It should be between the South-South and the South East. That's the truth about it. If we have to be as objective as we have to be, if we have the interests of Nigeria at hand, and we believe that we should remain as one, then we should as much as we can, be as honest and as truthful as we can. It's either the Southwest, God forbid, it's either the South East or the South-South, not the Southwest, not the North. All right, let's still talk about this issue of ethnicity because Nigeria has actually been described several times as different for us as a country, that is blessed amongst several ethnic groups. Now, the talk is about the South East or the South South controlling the machinery of government. Over time, don't you think there will be some sort of more complaint from other regions who might also feel segregated or marginalized, because we also have the issue of the North Central, who somehow don't really would want to call themselves the corner of. How do we begin to address their own concerns? Well, I think the North Anas are deliberately trying to be smarter than perpetrators into the insolence, trying to obfuscate issues. It is either the North or South East or West. The issue of North Central, North East and so on, it's just a nonsensical argument. And that is because they not believe in this hegemony, they believe that it is their right, and they also believe that they have the numerical strength. And as a result of that, they can rule. You know what, I don't want to judge on the Southern Pass or what Necessity said. Well, if you remember a man from the North who said the North Anas are a rule forever, I know you. He goes to the end of this group. So, but let me not lay my body on the members of that group so that we don't open up pressure in old rules. Having said this, we cannot talk of North, North Central, North East. I don't think that argument, that means some of us are at least of prison and poverty of North. We should be talking of the North, the South, the East and the West. That's what we should be talking about. Anybody who bread drums of this issue of North Central, North East and so on, will be sensitizing and derailed to be actuality of that, officiality of one nation. And that will be ideal. All right. Still, the octogenarian expressed disappointment over moves that he has seen so far. He said that- I don't think that should really be the case of North Central, not just North Central. I mean, black, shadow. I mean, black for shadow. That issue, that effort is going to be a prescription for Anna. And that's why he's warning. It's for warning, Nigeria, that we must take into consideration the sensitive nature of our politics and the sensitive nature of our nation. And that's why I don't like his advice. So I don't think we should come up with usual, not East, not West, not Central. I don't think that is necessary. I mean, it doesn't make sense. It's completely made and completely lucrative and highly mischievous for anybody to talk of North Central, not East. Is it a South, West, North or East? Oh, very good point you have mentioned. Let's still talk about other issues that the elder statesman raised. He expressed disappointment over moves by Atiku and other northern presidential aspirants in the contest in 2023. He went on to say despite the resolution by the 17 Southern Governors Forum, South and Middle Bed Leaders Forum, groups and eminent northern leaders. But being that as it may, how come we're not seeing much, I would say, agitation, or maybe pushing themselves forward? We've not really seen much candidates that are coming out from the server wanting to show or indicate the interest for 2023. Are we not really seeing that right now? Well, I think that is a result of what I call the doctrine of the North and East Southern, a situation where before you declare or make your intentions known, you must get a nod of your master. If you're a master, if you don't do that, that you're not loyal. There is a wide interpretation of loyalty in this part of the world. I can tell you that in any civilized plan, you're loyal to the constitution, you're loyal to the federal republic. But in this part of the world, you're loyal to the constitution and not to the federal republic. So a lot of people who have interests to contest are waiting for the nod. If you're in the APC, you're waiting for presidential nod. If you're waiting to be a consensus candidate, that is the problem and that is the pain of our society. And that's why a lot of the way they get into office, they become, how would I put it, subservient, and they try as much as they can to please their master. And after a year or two, there is this friction because they want to accept their authority. And you find out that a master and a servant is beginning to have a problem. So that is the pain of our politics. And that is why a lot of them so far have not declared their intentions. But I can tell you right now to tell you that you have a lot of south of them are ready to provide in the next presidential election. A lot, even from reverse to a lot, I can tell you that if it's of, I have the central conviction that the minister for transportation is interested in that problem. And I can also say that yes or no, we need a government of reverse. It's also interested in that problem. I can't say that. So even if I have to play the devil's advocate now, the two people with the passage of time, with the passage of time, yes, I can tell you that just another two, three months. I can tell you that you have a minimum of 20 to 25% from the south. Okay, very quickly. Very quickly, before Prince Amail Amosa in, I just wanted to, you know, to buttress on what you said about people who have indicated interest. You talked about the governor of reverse state. I need some wiki. You also talk. I said I have a conviction. Okay, you have a conviction. All right, I just wanted to be clear because you mentioned two people from the same state. I was wondering. I just said to me, it's my conviction. You understand what I'm saying? Okay, even if, even if, not even the minister for, not even the minister for transportation has said, I'm going to confess. All right, okay. I have a conviction. You will claim, as human beings, you can extrapolate. I was going to, I was going to say that based on your extrapolation, I hope there will not be conflict of interest having a two candidate from the same state. And I hope at the end of the day, their chances won't be limited. No, no, no. That's definitely, that's definitely going to affect you both. Because you're not going to have a blog. But I can tell you that if us people know who they will protect when it comes to the presidency, they know who will be in their own interest, in their own image. All right. I'll open up our home back to you. Let's quickly bring in Samayla Moussa into this conversation. Samayla, I hope you can hear us right now. Yeah, I can hear you, but I mean, you need to increase the volume of your voice now, because, you know, I'm actually... All right. I'll try as much as possible to project more than I am doing right now. We're just talking about the north, the south. There's this particular dichotomy. And I'm the elder statesman, Edwin Clacker, once in the south, to be given the opportunity to run or to be president in 2023. He cited instances specifically. He said he pointed that existing records had shown that Northern Nigeria has held the nation's number one office for more than four decades, both on the military and civil role. I want you to talk about this. There is this talk everywhere across various, you know, fora that the north should actually just press pause, as it were, to allow the south, you know, rule. What are your thoughts, really? Honestly, most of your question, I think you really pick it up. I mean, I can make sense of it, in the sense that, you know, I keep hearing you, it keeps up into that. But if I just want to guess what you're asking, what's my thoughts about what Edwin Clack said about, you know. Yes, yes. Yeah. Okay. So I think he does his own opinion, right? And everyone is actually entitled to that. I mean, you know, he's free to actually voice his own opinion. But you see, that's not the reality of what it is. I mean, we're trying to move away from a particular trend, which has not really taken this country anywhere. We really want to move away from this, you know, when you say, you know, of course, at the political party level, the zoning, the micro zoning and all of that. But the standard of both political parties right now, or the body language right now, if the president can actually come from anywhere. The body language from which side? We want to go out to shop for, I don't know if you're asking a question now, but because I'm hearing there's some noise at the background. Just go ahead. Go ahead with your thoughts. Go ahead with your thoughts. You know, our opinion right now, or what's with our stand at the particular moment is that we want to go out all out there to shop for the best presidential candidates for this country, because you see, Nigeria is actually in some kind of mess right now, and we really need someone who can actually pull this country out of the mess that is found itself right now. So really, it's actually devoid of where the person is coming from. You know, the person can actually come from anywhere. You understand, once he is competent, people will vote for him. And I can tell you for a fact that the North disposition has actually been, because when it comes to politics, in the past, the North has voted for credible candidates, even I guess it's own. You know, during the MQ Abyola, the North voted for MQ Abyola, I guess by short so far, who actually was his own, you know, and during Abafuja also, which saw that actually at work. In 2011, they're not voted for Eradu, I mean, even I guess President Muhammad Buhari. So really, the kick right now is we're just going out there shopping for the best candidates that has what it takes to pull Nigeria out of this doldrum, to pull Nigeria out of this mess that we found ourselves. You know, I mean, this is actually not the best of times for us at this country to begin to toy with who becomes the next president. It's a serious business because Nigeria must walk. And if that is the struggle right now, we just need to really shop for the best candidate regardless of where he or she is coming from. Okay, if I have to put it differently now, come 2021. Can you speak loudly? I am almost, you know, screaming at the top of my mouth. You know, because I'm sure the phone is not just close to where you are. All right. What I asked from afar. Okay. Can you hear me now? Yeah, I can hear you now. Okay. What I asked, I was trying to put what you have said them differently. If I really got all that you have said correctly, come 2023. Are you saying that the CNG, which you represent, could actually vote it or support any candidate who is not from the Northern region? Okay. What you're asking is if the CNG is going to vote for a candidate that's not from the North, right? Yes, my point exactly. Oh, absolutely. I mean, we're actually not shopping our doors. And that's why I say we're going out there to shop for a presidential candidate that is fit for the job. So, and when we're talking about competence, I mean, you shouldn't shop your doors against a particular region. So, we're going out there to shop for the best candidate who is fit, who has what it takes, who, you know, we can actually go through his credentials and see that, oh, this person really has done much for himself. And so, if you give him an idea at this kind of particular time, he's going to, you know, actually perform. So, that is our resolve at the moment. So, whatever you come from, whatever religion it is, whoever it is, all we're after is a candidate that actually has what it takes. And that's why we say that our position has actually been, and it still is, that don't shop a particular region out of the race. Because who knows, no matter when we come out, you know, we're going to juggle the candidate and see and pick the best out of them. So, if you are the best, put yourself, present yourself for this election. If you feel you have what it takes, present yourself. And nobody should shop the door against you based on where you come from. All right, thank you, Samayla. We're going to look out there and see if, you know, I just pick the best for this country. All right, thank you. Because that is the only thing, option that we have for now. All right, thank you so much, Samayla. Most director of strategic communications and CNG. Just before we conclude, let's get back up to Oponabou in Kotaere. I'm sure you have followed the opinion so far of the CNG. But let me take it just one step further, looking at all that he said. When can we get to a point where, you know, the talk would be about who can actually manage the country better? I'm not just based on ethnicity. Justice, we're running out of time, so I'll quickly respond to that. Yeah, go ahead, go ahead. First, let me say, let me say I agree with the ten of the arguments, but I disagree with the submission. He's talking of meritocracy. Basically, that's what he's talking about. That we need credible persons that will be there and will be able to deliver the votes. But what we are saying is, that's why Oponabou and the United States of America, what we are saying is, if it's based on that, you have them in every region. You have them in the north, you have them in the south, in the east, you have them in the west. And since you have them in all these regions. Now, the democracy is all about majoritarianism. If you go to the polls, it simply means the majority who carry the polls. And it is not. In that case, because they're not always one of the best, the South will always have one of the best, but the East will have, but because they have the numerical strength and advantage to whatever could use the president. And that's why we are taking our concession. The United States of America, the way they addressed it, is the college system. Otherwise, I've got one. Hillary Clinton won. But they said no. In consideration of the smaller state, they had the college system. And you have to take into cognizance these peculiarities and political nuances. If you want a united country. And that is why we are saying, look, it is not a matter of right. It's a matter of concession. It's a matter of consideration. And that's why we all say, I said, I flee with Nigeria to allow the sound to produce. You have the best in every region. Every region can produce the best. So beyond the best, what is the other media thing are you going to use? If you want the nation to remain as one, because the tenuous legacies of this country have been threatened on daily basis. The officials are getting wider. So how do you spend them? How do you fill those gaps? And that is why we are saying, no, let's all come together and agree. That's why even the issue of consensus was admitted in this class amendment. Because if we all agree and produce, even in the south, we are not going to say we are going to bring an easier from the south, not at all. We are going to present our best. And not just one. From the contestant, we are going to select the one we believe is going to be the best. So that's the argument. That's what I said. I agree with the turn of the argument, but not with the submission. All right, thank you so much. I'm open about that as much as we can take on this particular discuss. Open Aboard in Kotairea is from a special advisor to the River State Government. Thank you so much for your thought. We also had Elia Somaila-Mosa, Director of Strategic Communication, Coalition of Northern Group. Thank you so much, gentlemen. All right, in a moment, we'll take a quick break now. And when we return, insecurity in Keduna is on the front, and Governor Errify E.C. can help. A detail soon stay with us.