 So, we just saw Revolution by Jack O'Connell featuring Louise Malone who is here with us from New Mexico. Is that where you live now? All right. Well, so 20 year old from Scottsdale and as it turns out you were cast into this film It wasn't as if Jack went around to Haydash very looking around hippie Hill trying to find the person to focus on How did it come about that you were cast? I was coming up the stairs. Can you hear me? I was coming up the stairs in the Avalon and a girl handed me a piece of paper that said Girl needed for lead part in movie no experience necessary And For some reason I knew that I was gonna do this I just knew and I went and talked to him sat down with Jack O'Connell in the and they had me talk into a microphone to see if my voice was okay and And took some photographs and called me back the next day and said you're a girl. Wow, so And it was awesome. I mean it was I Didn't always get to say what I wanted to say quite often. I had to say things that was the director's agenda more than mine, but I Did have a blast it was chosen to go to three European film festivals that year and I got to go and And so it was a wonderful opportunity. I met fabulous people and a lot of people. I love her here right now And so it's awesome. It's I love this. This is great So even at the Avalon ballroom, you knew it was gonna be a film about the Haydash Berry and about the hippies Not at first. No, so when I called the phone number They then they explained to me what they were doing. All right Looking back on it now. Do you feel you were or even back then when you first saw it? Were you fairly portrayed? Everyone had their point of view, you know, everyone had their own experience and It was a bit of my experience and a bit of a lot of other people's point of view and There were parts of it. I would have loved to have taken out or shortened And there were things that I really wished I could say that wound up on the cutting room floor, but oh But there are outtakes, you know, yeah somewhere. I understand. Yeah Gene a dr. Hip dr. Schoenfeld since you were not in the film as far as I know, you might have been in the crowd Maybe you were in the nude scene there with it And helping dancers Joe How did you feel about this movie having now seen it? Well, it's the first time I've seen this movie But I was here during that time. I thought it was a you know an excellent portrayal Of the times and the way people felt and what they were doing Were there revelations for you? You were there, but for me for example seeing exactly how that communal flat or apartment or house looked and with a dozen people jammed in there Had you seen those scenes during the 60s? Oh, yes. Yes. I've been you know within many Homes and communes, you know is that the Morning Star Ranch? Uh-huh and spent some time there And yes, it was an accurate depiction of what was going on during that time I wish they'd put captions told the names of the people that were in the film, right? Yeah, the real shortcoming there in terms of the authorities as well as the known people we all of us San Franciscans know her cane and Willie Brown But the police chief the health officer dr. Ellis D socks Wonderful name for those times before his job the health director of San Francisco. It would have been nice to have known Who they were exactly what their authority was? Diane You're in the film. Yes You're in the concert scene a park and How did that happen? Well Ambrose Red Moon Hollingsworth was our Manager and he got us the gig up there on that was Mount Tam and the amphitheater and It was it was great. It was just great Because just the vibe of the whole scene and for us to be the the only woman band in the area at that time was just a perfect opportunity for us to just express ourselves and what we wanted to do and You know, we followed quick silver around a lot too because Ambrose also managed him at first before Ron Pulte and During that time we opened for the quick silver all the time. Oh Yeah, and we were kind of we're there But we're almost invisible during that time like a lot of people never heard of us but we were there and And you're still here and I'm still here in case you're also in case you're on showed on time You just had a recent honor from the board of supervisors and you are at work have been now for a couple of years I know on a new CD. Correct. That's correct. Great after all these years. It's been 50 years 1967 I'm from Mount Tamm and we finally got a record deal We're finally acknowledged for the time that we did during that era and an overnight success When you're talking about time, you know, it doesn't matter. Yeah, and you just get there but so like it's gonna be like a three CD Album coming out You know spring or summer next year. Yeah, and we were trying to make it for this year But you can't push creativity and you have to let it just develop and grow and it's it's an amazing It's gonna be amazing. Just looking forward to it. Did the women in ace of cups get speaking parts? Was there every any plan on you're doing more than playing at Mount Tamm? Not speaking parts. No, okay I just wonder how Jack handled the various people he ran into whether it was band members people on the streets people at the med clinic Hired cast members whether he created scenes now. I want you to try to climb a tree You know, yeah, he actually would happen. Yeah, but you didn't seem like the most gung-ho tree climber I've ever seen What else did he make you do that you felt oh man, this is this ain't me like lying on the grass giggling No, that was real At least the co-gigglers here. Yeah Yeah, well done. Well Marlene and Rebecca and I all lived in Petaluma. There were seven of us And we've been friends that was 68, but we all met on hate street at the corner of hate and coal So you're hired from a flyer and you're plopped into the scene although you've been part of the scene anyway Right because you visited you had friends there So was there a lot of manufacturing of those scenes that you skipping around me a running into the arms of friends or whatever? Hanging out with them. I think if I remember correctly, but you know what they say about memory in the 60s But if I remember Correctly that was one where you know, it was his guidance as director run up But you know, I was happy to see them Dr. Jean I should learn a title for you, but Dr. Schoenfeld, what was your own interaction in the hate Ashbury 50 years ago? Well, I had just returned from doing research in Gabon in West Africa I was I was there to do a research project on hypertension in Gabon But I became more interested in the use there of a drug called Igbo game Which comes from the Evoga root and I was very Interested I had taken LSD once before going there. So naturally interested in psychedelics and after I left Gabon I Went to France because the French were using small quantities of Igbo game combined with Vitamins as a pickup stomach because you know small quantities of psychedelics act as a stimulant We see this currently today with micro dosing of LSD Well, I had a I got a quantity from the laboratory in in Paris and I brought that back to the United States and I found that there was a young doctor named David Smith who was doing experiments at the University of California With laboratory animals with psychoactive drugs So I joined him and we were doing experiments on on rats with Amphetamines and mescaline and then there was some human experimentation that happened with Igbo game and during that time David Formed the idea of having the hey, that's very free clinic of combining There are little clinics that had been set up by the diggers and he had the idea of combining it into one Clinic founded it in June 50 years ago. Yes. Yes. All right. It was 50 years ago in this past June Yes, and I had the idea of writing about the effects of drugs and This was because as I say there was some human experimentation that went on and And that is how the hate Ashbury free clinic began and that's how the Dr. Hip columns began originally in the Berkeley barb Yes, it started my column started in the Berkeley barb. Yes, and then after a couple of years It was picked up by the San Francisco Chronicle and then Syndicated by United Press Syndicate Mm-hmm, right now the Berkeley barb was being hawked by one young woman. Yes movie. Yes, I noticed I noticed that So now Louise was that for real or that was for real. Yeah, well They set it up. They wanted me to sell them, but I did that anyhow. That was a good way to make some money So you were paid for your work in the movie, but you still needed to earn more money to be able to afford oatmeal and You know bars Diane how real uh, you know, you hear the branding of the music of that time as Well, firstly San Francisco sound and then psychedelic music and acid rock and as I've gone through the years writing about the scene More and more the band members say yeah, we were always on acid when we were on stage You know, you couldn't go up there sometimes without being High how was that for the ace of cups and yourself? I think only one time I think it was high on acid and it was strange Could you tell how it impacted your drumming and your your rhythm and your timing? I Don't know exactly what happened or how it went, but everybody said it was great I Remember looking at my snare drum and that you know on the bottom head it was clear in the top But you can kind of see through it and as I was looking through it. I think I had x-ray vision It was like whoa, you know, but uh, but at least there were no monsters crawling out of it Experience that but that was the only time You know, I just wanted to be playing and be you know, what's going on a little bit and that Taking acid would be I loved it when you were in the woods or in the nature Yes, then everything then is really mellow and you're in excuse me when you're on the street and you see a car coming It was like a monster of these big lights and this whole face on it everything that wasn't organic Really, you noticed that it was out of place And wires and you know, yeah, and we have and we have Louise the acid head here At one point didn't you say something about having had 23 trips? Oh, yeah, probably yeah At that time if that was early on and that was real Just getting going well, yeah where we met There We were producing they were producing pure LSD on vitamin C tabs Did you keep track of your trips? How did you know you had 23 under your belt? I? guessed Hollywood in San Francisco. Well But I did get to say what I wanted said that when I sold the newspapers that was me Acting up, you know being silly It made it more fun and more real, you know, right speaking of real. I don't remember saying that many new to people Yeah, that was that was Jack's thing Now Jack Laughs right in the jack many there a jack was 20 years older than you and I'm sure on most of the people in The film did that impact the way the film was made was he to a degree? Yes, and he came out of New York, and he had worked with Fellini and Antonioni and He had that vision at that time and there was a lot of that, you know sexual Revolution and in all of that and he felt it was a part of art Mm-hmm, and and that a beautiful form was a beautiful form that was his vision. So let's spend 15 minutes on it Yeah, not an hour and a half But that's okay and mostly focusing on the women, of course. Yes There was an update of this film in 1986 In which you appeared Looking at yourself 20 years before and talking about what you had gone through and one of the things I heard Clarice was your kind of a re-evaluation of drug usage and What drugs did for you and also probably to you? Can you restate some of that how you feel now? As a mother especially yeah Well, I think the drugs are much more dangerous now, and I was I was really protected in a lot of ways in my life and I kind of have a picture of myself as This girl standing on the edge of a cliff Leaning out as far as she can go with all these angels or fairies hanging on to her skirts And that's kind of like how my life was then and I I met wonderful people and we took care of each other but after years of meditation and And doing yoga and things like that. I I felt like It would have been better to have Had the discipline beforehand to So that the vision was not Out of the blue in other words, I think it's very valuable and I think it's I Think it's a real experience but I also think that preparation and and discipline can Will take you to that place anyway and I Also feel like it made us very very open to the energies around us And I think that if you were around negative energy, you could have a negative trip and I was fortunate to be around amazing positive people and And so I never had a bad trip But I also feel like that weren't a warrant wasn't LSD a precursor to some of the the psychiatric drugs they're using now Well, like Prozac and no, no, okay, no not related at that But now finally after we've lost more than 50 years finally There are being studies allowed using LSD and psilocybin and We can expect that they will be used in a psychiatry More in the next few years finally there was losing After losing all yes before Before the band there was a lot of research that found LSD could be useful in treating alcoholism and drug addiction in Canada Yes, that's right. Yeah Dr. Schoenfeld did you feel the film was pretty accurate in portraying? What the scene was like overall in terms of the good and they're not so good and even the evil you were part of a circle that provided support services to a lot of the People rather there were runaways or residents through the Huckleberry house invaluable resource the free medical clinic the good work of the diggers and other organizations in the community Did you feel the film reflect to all of that and also said? Besides talking to the politicians and the police that there was more to it than just peace and love and good vibes There was more there was a downside Most of which occurred after the film was made After that period. Yes, it was a downside. I mean after all there was a it was a time when One could walk down the street and you could recognize people who were like you for a time that long hair perhaps with a dress then after a time it became a fad and a person with long hair May not at all have been like you abided in Charles Manson Actually happened So, you know there was that that period of time, but then it it degenerated and a lot of it was associated with more harmful drugs Like heroin and the abuse of amphetamines sure I mean because almost all drugs Can be useful Proper circumstances But it's taken a long time for us to learn that and we're still learning about it Diane you probably saw the film shortly after it was released because you were partly because you were in it Have you seen it many times over the years and now watching it again? Do you have feelings about the impact on you? Yeah, it's been it was just two other times and they were it was a long time ago. So I Get some of them mixed up there. There's been a few films about the 60s and and which ones and this one. Yeah, this one this one is my favorite actually and during that time This film portrayed pretty much what was happening during that time and What was the question? But the point you make you over the years We've seen so many documentaries on TV networks as well as feature releases and they tend to be a pastiche of found Footage and he grabs a CBS documentary here and an interview here in a whole movie of the BN Or the trips festival. It's not the same as having a crew consistently following a group of people at that time With those bands playing for this film So it's much more intact. I was just Wondering if looking at it again today. You felt you learn anything new about the impact of that summer on yourself as a person Anything new I would say Just how it actually impacted the generation at that time and how you could reinvent yourself during that time and And and how that we're in this place now. I see we're still there Yes, you know, we're still there and we can still reinvent ourselves and and change things and The revolution within is where it starts and that's what I've learned from there to hear and looking back And that that's where it comes from Yes, the revolution within yourself and making your change for the better good for all people. Yes so Louise you are a most a Lovely presence on the screen the cameras absolutely embraced you and It being a time of Free love. I'm wondering Were there a lot of guys and perhaps gals coming after you while during this time of the shooting Well, no, well, I was very busy. I mean, I was I was there with the With the crew and I was learning was it like a daily thing then where you would meet and what today will shoot in the Park today will shoot the morning side You know, yeah, so yeah, no time for permissiveness to Know and I was I was incredibly naive. I was very young and and Half the time if someone was coming on to me. I had no idea I know that sounds weird, but it was really the truth. Well, you're on acid probably. Yeah, well, that's a good point. Yeah, I Think by the magic of Timing we have a few minutes if you have a question or two. Are you open for questions? Oh, sure. All right. Anybody want to ask a question? Let's take the gentleman there. Oh Yeah That's what makes me a good grandmother Yes Well, I Somehow came into this life being a spiritual being and I it wasn't formed by By church or the things, you know, my parents, but I always had an interest in it and as I As I grew when I went through the 60s and when I went through the Haydash Berry I was fortunate that I was around a lot of people I would go to The Krishna temple for breakfast and and I would I would sit in meditations go to Steven's classes It was just it it was something that was important to me that in healing, you know, I became a nurse and so From there, you know, I I love the roots of every religion. I I I believe in disorganized religion. I really do and I And I see the root I can worship with anyone, you know, I can jump over the belting fire I can you know meditate I can pray You had your hand up. Yes. Go ahead, sir Yes, yes to me at what To me the important thing that was happening there was that We were looking around and seeing that there were people who are being treated differently and there were people who were being overlooked and so I Think we went to embrace everyone just to learn we went to learn we went to school and I think that The part of it was the war You know, we marched I marched for everything because it was important gay rights came out of it women's liberation came out of it and of course You know the integration Continued I Get a little worried about seeing it come back around again today And that and and that very much concerns me Louise. Why did you revert back to your name Louise? I mean that is how long did today last oh? Well, some people tease me, but I call myself yesterday Malone now Yes, I was gonna call you that Oh, I don't love But I know you became a mom within a year or two after the film really I I used the name today purposely partly because I loved it and and one of the people in the film gave me the name dawn did and I really loved the idea that it meant be here now and and I also went with that because if it turned out to be a terrible film and I hated it I Could be Louise still But Louie, you know people call me Louie Any other one last question? Yes, ma'am look the one that's all right you Ben me Only once So you were there I Should have taken much more actually give them the jobs I had yes Yes Yes, be careful. What? Yes, right now he is in the house. All right one more right here, sir. Go ahead What grant? No, I was dancing with you I Took only 50 years to learn that Well, thank you so much to Diane the gene and to Louise Thanks to you and the library welcomes you now to partake of snacks and also check out the brand-new exhibit all about The summer of love. Thank you. Thank you