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Ac mae ech bod chi eisiau o'r pryd o'r mawr hefyd. Felly dyma'r will sydd yn ymddangos yn ymddangos. Mae scope ymddangos. Slywser fynd. Fy hynny'n gwneud. Pwy lle mae'n gwnaeth bwysig, maeth rwy'n ei ddull yn gyfyrdd. Fa ydy'r wil o'i arno. Nii, llawer, mae amddangos o'r ymddangos mewn aethau. Dwi'n amddangos i fy mwyn i amdanaeth. Mae angen yn mynd. Foe yw'r cyfrifiad yn ymddangos? Mae ddaw yn dda i chi gyfrifiad lle! Fais puff angen yn ddigon? Rydw meddwl i'r llwyaf. I haven't done anything. It's just for men's out. But it hasn't been out for weeks and weeks. I've just looked. You know when it gets too long, I know it's too long cos when I have to get up. So the secret of you not having grey hair is having longer hair? It seems to be. So why don't you go full like shoulder length? I mean Andy. We're talking about horn castle things, horn castle. You might the same as I. And I couldn't believe he's got the full like home as Simpson. You should go for like get Carl to sort you out? No. C'mon Halmer. I have to be careful with this conversation because I am often accused of dying my hair. Which I understand and I appreciate that at the age now of 37 nearly 38 the people would think that it might be time for me to stop laughing. It might be time for me to be showing some grey hairs. So far I'm pretty dark. But I promise you that there's nothing. Actually I've got a couple of grey one there. Which I think is sort of grey one there. I've got it in me beard. But I'm not. But this is I think this is a larger conversation. Right cos we were talking about a thing. You'll this week with me. What's his name? Christopher. I love mine. I love me now. Maloney. Christopher Maloney. Songs from me now. It goes exactly to get his teeth fixed. Because some cos a British dentist ruined them. Which is normally the other way round. But I don't. I'm not bothered. If you've put stuff in your ear then fair play to it. Like I want my teeth done. Like I've got no issue with it. I'd love that. The money I get them done. And people get their get in their assos at all the time. Good or bad. But I don't have a problem with it. You know if you want to dye your hair. If you want to have your teeth done. You want to have a bit of work on your cheeks. My eye will be getting. There's a thing called simple. Which is a hair. You put it in it like and it also allegedly takes your hair back. But it essentially will be a diaper. It's a hair building. I'll be having no issue usually. I just haven't got it yet. For Florida. Was that? No, no. I've got no issue. It makes me laugh. This subject does make me laugh. When people are going to the gym. Why are you going to the gym? Or do you do this? Why are you doing that? To be fair that is natural. No, but what I'm saying is that they're doing it for a reason. Why are you getting your teeth done? Where do you stand on this day? Why are you getting your teeth done? In terms of self-improvement. I think it's absolutely fine. I think each of their own. If you want to do self-improvement then that's entirely up to you. But I'd just like to take this opportunity quickly now before we get into proceedings to say that I think your hair looks lovely today. Thank you. I've done nothing with it. It's old as well. It may look like you're fairly freshly cut. No, it's actually it's a few weeks. I go to a good barber and he cuts it in a way that just falls into place. This is a fella in Scam, isn't it? Scam, yeah. The roundabout Scam in the roundabout city. And one of those roundabouts is just built a big Aldean. So they're obviously moving forward. That's where I go. The roundabout in Scam to the Aldean. No, no, no. I don't get that Aldean. You go to Aldean to get your hair cut. No, no, no, no. I don't do that either. How could this Aldean? Damn, where are you? Listen, as you both well know and it's been well documented, Gillian. Gillian. Scottish Gillian. Glaswegian Gillian cuts my hair. Not Aldean. But I do go to an Aldean. Not the one in Scam, but I go to the one nearer me which is where I get all of my weekly shopping because it's a tremendous value. But you work in that industry, Dave. You've worked in that industry for Aldean. He's been in the industry now for 30 years. So essentially since he was four started off as a small model. 33 in fairness. But you must have seen a few people with a little bit of work done. Have you ever got envious and thought, the day I need it, the day that comes that I need that way. Whenever that might be. Whenever that might be. First of all, you've got to reach a milestone. I've been like 35 first. Sure. Have you ever thought, you know what? They look good, they look bad. I wouldn't want to do that. Are you prepared to just keep it on naturel yourself or are you going to dive in there on the shallow end? Well, I've sort of done a little bit of both actually because I'm currently, and I don't mind admitting this, I'm currently two thirds of the way through some Invisalign treatment. They are kind of like getting a little bit straighter. But yeah, I have those Invisalign tray things, which I've caught in, which are very clever because a mate of mine is a dentist around the corner. Thank you for his mates' rates. And so yeah, so I'm currently, they should be done by about every time I think something like that. So yes. How do they feel in your mouth because I've heard different things about them? I've actually found them to be really easy. And I haven't found them to be problematic even though people said that they can be. They're a little bit, when you put a new tray, because do you know how they work? Right, I mean. It's gone on a big tangent here, but it doesn't really matter because again, this is Derby avoidance essentially. So what they do is that they work out what the movement needs to be of your teeth from here to there. And then it's a series of different trays. Right. And all of those trays, which are a bit like a gum shield. Right. And all the gum shields are slightly different shape. So you put that one in and then it moves your teeth that way. And then you put the next one in and it moves them a little bit more that way and so on and so forth. And ultimately, that's what creates the movement over a period of time, which for me is 17 trays, 34 weeks. And how much of the day do you have to wear them? You should wear them for 22 hours of the day. So you just literally take them out to eat. Wow. But yeah, obviously, it's all good. I've had them since, I don't know, February, March, something like that. Fair play. March, man. There you go. They didn't think we were going to end up there, did you? No, but I mean, you know, listen, I'm an honest and open person if we're talking about self-improvement and whatever. That's it. And you know, I think it's good for men to share stuff more. I do. And also, they're natural, aren't they? You're not having your teeth fixed as such. You're fixing your own teeth. That's all it is. Really, just with a little bit of help from some clever technology. And also, I mean, again, I'm slightly surprised of a man of your age being in the mid-30s would need that kind of thing done. But you're never too young or too old for that kind of thing either, because that's something I've thought about. I need to go and see a dentist to see what, you know. You know, I'm hoping that by the time I reach the master on April 14 that they will be significant. Hang on. I thought you were 37. You jumped for three years just in April. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. 39. overcrated. 40. 40. 40. 40. 40. 40. 40. 31. 31. 37. 39. 34. 30. 35. 35. 36. 37. 39. 39. 39. 39. 30. 40. I thought that, because Gaffani... I would imagine that... Does Gaffani use natural products to get well out? I mean that's the thing, isn't it? That's what you have to ask yourself but talking about self-improvement. I think it was a natural process as all these things should be because when you are adopting any kind of canine you have to go through the proper process. Any way you can get well out is to do it properly. They have to vet whether you can cope with a well out. That's it, that's exactly it. You have the right environment in order to house it. You need space? Essentially. You know, some need more space than others. Have you got the space at home to deal with well out or accommodate well out? Yeah well, I mean, yeah. I think so. I mean I can get older things, things get more restrictive. To sail us all this time. The Massey side to Abbey, the 243rd Massey side to Abbey. I'll be honest, it ended result wise. It ended how I imagined it probably would. However, Dave, for a large period, Evan had nullified Liverpool really and I believe and Pet believes that the game kind of swung a little bit on a poor decision from the referee. Are we the only people who believe that? Do you think there's other people out there who might believe that? I think there's a lot of them. That's why I'm waiting for Dave. We want Dave to be a verification. Millions of people that would support the view that perhaps there was a particular incident which may have indeed swung the game. And bizarrely and quite heartwarmingly many of those millions of people go beyond the realms of our club. It's not just Evertonians that believe that perhaps that was a decision which some may say was handled wrongly by the referee. Certainly not by myself or indeed this podcast as a whole. But there are certain people who bring his decision making into question. But in all seriousness we said last week that our main thing with the Derby coming up was the fact that we weren't expecting to win at their place. We know that. We are realistic much as we are always with hope. But we wanted to see a performance and we wanted to see our team compete. And in that respect I think they did. We said that we wanted Liverpool to know that they've been in a game. And as you say I thought we battled for large periods of it. We nullified them and so in that respect I'm not unduly unhappy in terms of what happened in the end. I'm annoyed about the decision because I think that perhaps it could have been slightly different. But I think we battled well. And again going back to what we said last week it was all about putting down a platform if you like in terms of a performance. So that it would then be something that we could build upon for the weeks to come. Obviously West Ham on Sunday. We've got Brighton after that. We've got Palace after that. Before we get united at the end of November. So these are games which for sure there are points in. So in that respect I think they did for the most part what we wanted them to do. And so in that respect I'm not particularly despondent. We stayed in the game and it's difficult to look back now because obviously you look back at it. And I've seen some Liverpool fans criticising us. You didn't do this or you didn't really cause us any problems. And you say well okay that's fine. But A you weren't causing us any problems either. And B for 60 odd minutes of the match we played with 10 men. So it was always going to be difficult for us with 11 men but with 10 men. That's just not how football works though is it. It's not about what the final outcome is in terms of what's happened in the game. It's what could have happened in the game. And it's the same with when they didn't get the decision against Spares. I know you see that as a clerical era. Yeah that's a clerical era. Liverpool not getting the goal was just a clerical era against Spares. That's all it was. It wasn't a bad a fishy. It was just a clerical era. It was miscommunication essentially. Someone forgot to pick a box and that's all it was. These things happen. They do happen. But this was just a terrible decision. And who knows which way the game would have gone. We've had games ourselves where we've been destroyed in Anfield and it only takes a second and you get a penalty or you get something a deflection or whatever or something off a corner. Just because the final result was looked comfortable. As you said for till I suppose just after the incident where they should have had a player sent off. Yes of course they had all the ball. Yes of course they were flashing it left right and centre. But Jordan Pickford was not having to make saves. And that's the key indicator isn't it? That is always going to be the key indicator. He was not having to make saves. We weren't going to go there and now play them. We all knew that they were going to have 60-70% of the ball because they were a much better team. And the simple fact is in football now the way it is that it's very very rare that teams lower down the division go away to teams in the top 4, top 5 and beat them. It does happen of course it happens but you need everything to go your way and if the referee takes something off you then it's never going to happen because that's your football now. The margins have gone. You can't go around booting people. You don't get the lucky breaks because VAR stops it. So you need to have those moments in the game and we had that moment taken away from us and that's the way it is. We've had it for years. I think Dave the most frustrating thing is listen referees can make mistakes of course they can and sometimes you go off. I was not seeing that or whatever but I think the issue I had with it was he set the tone by booting young and then he sent them off by sticking letter to the law and there's an argument to say should he have gone over and warned them and said the next one might get off but he chose to send them off fine but he had the exact same thing with Liverpool. If Liverpool wouldn't have had that you could argue about that and go he should have given younger warning but there's no real defences. Two bookable offences is off and he doesn't should have been off on that. That's the second thing for me is that he had the chance, it's not levelling up because it's not really about levelling up it's about doing the right thing and he eats for me. Well you know when you think about the referee in this instance it's the C word that we are all at the end of our tongues and consistency is obviously the word that we're thinking of. Oh absolutely that was my first though when you said it. Because no as you rightly say is that there are different ways of interpreting the laws depending upon the game and the atmosphere and the tone and all those different things and as you said he decided that he was going to take that approach which is fine because actually he was backed up by the laws in terms of his sending off of Ashley Young because it was a second bookable on Diaz but then yeah I think once you display that line and that's the route that you're going to take you have to be consistent and you have to do it again and especially when you have a situation where you have the same exact same decision to make with another player you have to take the same line and he was at that crossroads and for whatever reason he decided not to which as a sake you know listen we are obviously biased and partisan but I think when the entire world looks at that and people football fans of all clubs go well it's just not right why does one go and why does the other one not and that's just you know it's a poor referee I mean to put it mildly I mean I think the other thing I don't think any of us shall argue it was a penalty wasn't it I've seen other people trying to talk it away or we was looking the other way and it should be deliberate and all that I thought it was a penalty it was a positioning of his arm just looked I don't think it was intentional as such but I just think the positioning of his arm was far enough away from his body and it gave the official's little option yeah yeah no it was a penalty it was going into the danger zone he's got his arm out by his side you know like right out it was a penalty and obviously once Salah knocked that in it was game over the second almost becoming relevant because I haven't been going forward but yeah you'd be right it was a performance that I think I think every player for me give everything they had whether you judge whether they had a good game or not I don't think James Garnard had a particularly good game or Dominic Halvert-Lewin but both of them put the effort in do you know what I mean it wasn't like we had any passengers because I don't think we did and therefore if we carry that kind of commitment on in our games going again back to what we said last week which was that level of performance if we carry that commitment on I think we'll be okay what do you think? I'd agree with you and I think I think we are overall in a better position than we were a few weeks ago and that ultimately is the only thing that's really important yeah you know are we making progress yes is it slow yes but it's progressed nonetheless and you know there's they're not going to be easy but there's got to be points in Westam Brighton so it's going well Manchester United for me yeah absolutely assuming that they maintain that level of performance and commitment which is often the difference I think the graft isn't it and the graft has been better of late but they've just got to continue I asked for a couple of questions on our 1878 group and a couple of there's a couple of Everton ones and normally I don't do Everton ones because we like the questions to be non football so we can have a laugh and I'll keep one to the bottom there's one of the three so far that I'm football but I just want to get your take on this because this is something that me and Ped have been discussing in the last couple of days I just wonder if you feel the same as we do but Stu Murphy says I'm sick of our beloved Everton being a punch bag and this is in relation Dave to all of these hit pieces that are out on Everton at the moment in regards to the points deduction and the pressure going all over that and the potential take over triple seven and whatever side of it you know we had a situation yesterday where even Jamie Carrick had come out and was like why do I keep seeing all of these stories about 12 points for Everton for this but there's like none from Ant City so why is it always Everton that is in the new are you getting a little bit fed up with all of these stories that are essentially sensational stories yeah I mean I think that there is definitely an agenda at the moment and as you say every time I read that I can't help but think that well if we are in that kind of eye line and that kind of examination then surely we are several steps back in the queue from Manchester City and you know there are those who have suggested that more wealthy clubs such as Manchester City are able to exert their influence in whatever way to avoid such punishment now we know that our finances are such that if we do get done we will have very little in terms of being able to claw our way out of it but I don't know I mean the concern for me I think is the fact that and I suppose it's the whole no smoke without fire scenario is that the fact that so many press outlets are carrying that story at the moment concerns me as to the source and also therefore the credibility of these rumours you know if this was the odd rag that had gone out on a limb and had decided to publish it then you could say well do you know what it's just hearsay but the fact that so many big publications are carrying it does concern me slightly but again I don't understand why other clubs such as the aforementioned Manchester City and there are others why they're also not being dealt with and mentioned in the same in the same breath but we'll see you know there's little we can do about it no you're absolutely right I mean it must be said that in those stories it does say that it's just one of a possible line of punishment and what's the what's the sexiest clickable headline it's the 12 points deduction on the time we saw that Wednesday the running with it and if it's come from somewhere I don't know where it is who knows but that's the maximum punishment they're going for but that's the narrative now the narrative is that they're going after us and if it's not 12 well the narrative is out there now and I've seen it on my twitter feed I've seen tweets to me I've seen messages to us as a channel saying well you're getting what you deserve and all this and it's like no one knows what we're actually being punished for no one actually knows what the issue is no one knows whether it's a huge thing or a little thing no one knows what the breach is because it hasn't been made public which is a bit strange Premier Lee can't demand anything all they are is the prosecutor and they can say this is what we want but it comes it comes down to the evidence and it comes down to the independent commission itself and it's worrying that they are trying to put influence on this and journalists are pushing it in and as I said that's the narrative now and everything just don't have any friends they don't have any friends in the media at all they don't have anyone they can rely on to help them I mean obviously lots get spoken about client journalism and this kind of thing but everything just don't have any friends out there at the moment so and because they've alienated the fanbase so much they don't even have the fanbase to back them up at times a lot of our fanbase will go well should have run the club properly or whatever but I think I think for now I think what has to happen is with the fanbase and certainly the football club they've got to create a seed mentality the football club have got to create this now and say we've all got to stand together at least as a football club because how do you get a fair trial this wouldn't stand if it was a normal court of law this thing wouldn't be allowed this thing would be seen as influence a jury or whatever and now it's not a jury but I think Evan that's what they have to look to do now because he's sailing knock on any friends in the media that's clear as day everyone wants to see a big story and as you've mentioned Dave the fascinating thing is you've got Manchester City out there and it all has gone very quiet about Manchester City people are making jokes about it people are like bringing it into conversations towards the end and things like that but no one's really asking the tough questions no one's actually saying it yes Jamie Carrick has mentioned it on a tweet but he's not saying it on sky he's not saying it in front of he's saying it in front of a captive audience he's saying it in front of Liverpool fans who are obviously going to eat it all up and a few other people but where are the people talking about this in the mainstream media where have the Manchester City charges gone and you're absolutely right Dave the simple fact here's Manchester City will have the best lawyers in the world and they will keep these people running round in red tape for years and Evan just can't do that and Evan could get a fate much worse than what Manchester City do simply because of the circumstances of where we are right now you know if Evan were to get 12 points or 9 points and even 6 points I would be very very very worried about our future and what comes from that because the commission would have to ask themselves are the charges really worth evident potentially going into administration that's another 9 points the future of a lot of staff at the club and I know a lot of people will say well you deserve it because you've done this and you've done that but do we deserve it does a 12 point punishment really does that really sound like something that should be handed out to any football club where's the sport and integrity in that what could you have honestly done to deserve losing 12 points I mean we haven't even got 12 points to give them that's what's worse we haven't got money to give them the thing about it is like you said we don't really know there's a story out there that says it's relating to something to do with the stadium it's something to do with the tax regarding the stadium we don't know if that's true and I don't know how you would say well that money there is for the stadium not for that player over there and get that but the reality of it all is it's a rule made up to protect the fans and the football club from going out of business it could send us out of business and you've only got 9 points for administration for Christ's sake my understanding of it was rightly or wrongly I thought this was to do with the recorded losses during the period that took in Covid to have gone beyond what the allowable parameters were or am I wrong? but there's no actual proof baby that's what I thought that's what I thought that they were in court defending was the fact that they were accused of going beyond the allowable parameters in terms of profit and loss during that period of time some of which Everton had claimed to be part of Covid but they were vigorously arguing the fact that they hadn't done anything wrong and they'd acted within the rules of the game well that might be it but I'll be honest the only recorded explanation of what we are up against is I think one of the nationals said that it was due to a tax complication to do with the stadium and that's the only recorded evidence of I say evidence that's the only recorded thing out there to say what we're being done for because it's not being put forward it's just said an FFP breach and it might be that but the point being is we were supposed that in that period the Premier League was supposed to be holding our hand keeping an eye on everything and maybe that's what they have took us to maybe they've been pushed into by all these other clubs who said we're lying and we have to go and defend ourselves and say why whether those Covid losses are real or not but I still don't think that's deserving of 12 points I really don't and for me the other thing that should be taken into consideration people might listen and go well you're only saying that if it was this club or this club you might be saying different it should be taken into consideration is we're building a stadium we're creating jobs we are making it if you're talking about the inclusivity for fans we're making a stadium putting us in a new stadium that's better for supporters better for the Premier League so therefore those costs in my opinion should be separate to playing costs and stuff like that so I just find the whole thing nonsense for the simple reason that it's not even a general rule it's a rule that Dave decided to bring in based on Portsmouth nearly going out of business and therefore I personally don't even say how it can be legal this rule but you've got a position where an owner wants to put money into the football club to make the football club stronger and you won't allow it as a league because it goes against this but you will what you will allow is for 14 teams to make sure they vote to give the other six clubs more money than anybody else a league which a TV companies decide who's on TV every week and get an extra million quid a game or more than that so the disparity is allowed to grow in that and yet you might have an owner who goes well I will put my own money into it and they say well you can't and I just find it utterly bizarre and then you're now going to go right you've got a 12 point penalty if they said it's a three point deduction and a fine of a million quid then fair enough but you take it and you go but 12 points when we'd only get nine and this all would have been wiped off anyway this death so the club would have essentially started zero again how can you get more than what administration is to me it sounds and I'll just say now I don't believe Evan will get 12 point deduction either because I think we'd have them off but it is absolutely mad that's how it seems anyway well that was going to be my closing question is just to say to both of you actually on that front because obviously we've had this conversation umpteen times before we had this conversation last season and you were both very positive in terms of the fact that you didn't feel that a point deduction was likely are you still as positive? I'm worried Dave because I feel like by putting this out it feels different it feels like they are pushing for the maximum penalty and I find that I find that quite dangerous that that's out there before and I did I mean even I was watching the press thing on Sky Sports News last night and the Janice they had were like hitting that last week the talk was all going to be about a suspended points deduction which I think again I think is fine if you break the rules you get a slap on the wrist and you're told not to do it again and what we find is certainly in the FL is that gets handed out and a lot of these people can't help themselves and reoffend so they always get them and I think that would be I think that would be just to get a suspended sentence if it's proved guilty but there's just something about this getting out and as you said before it being in a lot of different papers and a lot of people running with it almost like it's like it's already happened and we've already been found guilty and I find that very very strange considering it is an independent commission and I know it's an influence on that though Artie This is it and how can it be a completely independent commission when the national press are allowed to print this narrative which is obviously affecting our own viewpoint because that's what we're talking about right now but in turn will also be affecting the viewpoint of anybody who is part of that commission and part of that jury and also Dave I think we've had quite a lot of this but I think it will affect the morale of the fan base I mean let's be honest the timing of it is horrendous Of course The 24 hours after the club announced the death of Bill Kenright and your putting stories like surely this could have kept for a few days at least the clubber in a period of morning I just find that regardless of anyone's feelings that to me is really low and really poor from them as well and it just feels like it feels like the going after us and listen they might be right to go after us and we're not stupid we've sat here for the last two years complaining about our own football club we know it's own shortcomings but it feels like they really are going after us and that also to the political side of it that worries me as well Dave it's the political side of they don't want someone on the outside running football so they're going to prove they can do it themselves and it's great if they punish us they're never going to go or what are they going to do to the city the city thing might never ever materialise No because as you say because they've got far greater resources than us to actually keep keeping it at bay I don't feel like I'm being paranoid here by the way by going oh everyone's after us I know what we've done wrong I know the way the club has been the last few years we've all been very critical of it of course we have but this just feels like every day of course there's a hit piece out about us in the papers some of them are real some of them are absolutely nonsense but it's just it's all the time just throwing more fuel on the fire about the stadium about the run of the club about who owns the club and this just feels like the the papers are just saying jealous almost willing it to become real and I told you so mentality of what we have now in the world of like I'd rather be proved right than it be ethical or whatever so I just hope, I hope the club come fighting I hope they come out fighting and all the fans go with them because I think it's time now to put all that other stuff aside as a fan base and say right we have to we have to actually be together on this we have to actually back our football club and create a siege mentality of it's us against the world because that's what we've seen other people do and hopefully if the worst comes to the worst we take them to appeal and we wrap them up in red tape for as long as it takes as well Now it's absolutely nonsense and you're right let's make sure we all stick together on it I'm happy you're talking about the Derby wasn't it At least that's one game Damadio we've kind of discussed there Damad Ryan we've kind of discussed your question there you just mentioned Bill Ken Knight there but just to lighten it obviously it's been a very it's been a very sad week this week with the passion of the chairman but she's in a story today that John Travolter has paid tribute to his dear friend Bill Ken Knight you're saying how big just very briefly Dave he was obviously massive we know about Evan and people have different opinions on him he was obviously massive away from Evan wasn't in the theatre world seeing all these tributes and the actors and everything it's mad isn't it just how big he was because we've probably skated over that fact because we're looking at it through football ends Yeah it's absolutely true a lot of the heartfelt tributes from within football from outside of football and as you say it's probably been fairly equally weighted in terms of that balance of tributes that have come in from all corners and yeah listen I'd just like to say it's been a sad week and regardless of recent history and some of the turbulence surrounding the club and the fans the truth of the matter is that Bill Ken Wright was died in the wool Evertonian, he loved the club he'd do anything for the club he'd displayed that over many many years he'd put a huge amount into it in terms of both passion and also finance and everything in between and yeah I'd just like to say thank you for all of his efforts over the years and my thoughts go to his wife Jenny and to the whole family Absolutely on a light a note from that then because that is might be a friendship that is unlikely John Travolta and Bill Ken Knight do you have any friendships this is from Andrew McGregor do you have any friendships that we wouldn't expect that you could say me personally or us that we might not have you know 50 cents or something that one was a strange one it was a strange one I don't think so because I think that any of my slightly whatever the word is I think everybody knows those good friends with Dion Dublin the Dube Do you ever play the Dube together I haven't played the Dube for a long long time I think it might be my mum's loft Okay Which is actually perfect because Dion can go up and he can go up and inspect it He can inspect the stairs that lead to the loft space Absolutely which is his want but no I don't think I have sadly I mean I wish I did You're a man of the people Dave I'm a fairly ordinary I feel like you've had opportunities to be friends with top stars but you've you know that's not the world you're living in You live in a world of Aldi's and Gillian glass meets and Gillian might be a friendship people weren't expecting This is very true She's a big deal in our small community so why not give her the celebrity status that she perhaps deserves Is she the only barber in your community No weirdly actually I think she's one of four Barber was? In a small in a small village high streets Yeah I mean there was without wanting to you know sort of dig up any kind of raw feeling there was a new Turkish barbershop that opened up next door but won to Gillian Oh my word There was Gillian's place and then there was the card shop in between and the card shop went Right and that's now a nail bar That's modern science for you Well we did talk about it It's going to be a nail bar of vape shop You've got a Turkish barber Absolutely so we've got the Turkish barbers there but anyway everyone has their place Let me ask you a question then Do any of these barbers ever undercut the other ones? I mean when you say I don't know I mean in terms of You're on fire today No Well you're here when you do You're here But if anyone wants it that's fine Well listen there's lots of Let's finish with the stupid Thompson question If you were an alcoholic drink Which one describes you best which one describes you best Do you put light beer for Baz? Yeah why not a light beer for me Why not although I do like an IPA if you want Lighting and being are not the same things Okay Yeah I'm a I'm a non-alcoholic drink That's all a drink Yeah I will be a light beer Refreshing but not going to beat you up Not much of a head on you Go on Dave What were you going to say I don't really know This feels very much like an old blind date question There's one They used to ask questions like this didn't they at blind date and they were always prescriptive You were to be a food What sort of food would you be My name is Mike and I came from Bristol and my question to the panel is If you were a lasagna If you were a lasagna So I can't I can't off the top of my head think of anything which is well written that would describe my personality in the form of an alcoholic drink which is ultimately where this question is leading to So I'd probably just say that I would be a pint of Guinness I'm a pint of Guinness A good head and I'm all ready for the winter I have a good head of hair sorry a good head of hair I was going to say Guinness because you look at it at first and you've got to let it settle It looks like shite but once you get stuck into it you'll probably never have another drink in your entire life Yeah absolutely It almost feels like you've thought about that I was just on the spot and just a quick thinker That's all it is This is why you're a creative director It is absolutely You're not wrong I'm a cup of tea Weak and full of milk and not full of milk I mean I do understand tea as an alcoholic drink Not unless you stick rum in it I was going to shake it We grew up going out in the 90s Everything was an alcoholic drink in the 90s He just brought out a different flavour thing every week Pooch was amazing I never got involved in diamond white Diamond white was made girls fall over in the night It was too close to diamond lights by Waddle A classic song Go on, swing your hips on top of the pops with suit jackets pulled up midarm Very much Steve Parish took that on He keeps it alive today Steve Parish He keeps the dream of Hodl and Waddle's diamond lights alive today So people won't know what we're talking about No, go and check it out if you've not seen Glenn Hodl and Chris Waddle singing Diamond lights, cold as ice They've been footballers brought like Ian Wright done it then he brought the song out That was terrible Oh nan, let's bring them one out though isn't he With a bobby Oh nan and a bobby What was he Chatton bars Wambars Wambars Wambars Wambars were probably alright Wambars he gets stuck in his teeth That's probably why Dave needs his gum shield and we've gone full circle It's probably why We'll finish now but we're looking for an A No dentistry, we'll finish on dentistry No one wants them anymore They just don't want to be NHS dentists We don't want to be NHS so I went last week to one and all that and it's great and I think I've had four fillings in my life but I've had 18 months not at the dentist because my previous dentist broke my tooth gave me a fill and that was unnecessary What do you stop going because you were scared Not scared, I was just fuming with them because I'd had no issue Anyway I've gone on dentist and now I understand why We've got a dentist with great given the price to get It's going to take us five years to pay it off Basically, yeah We've got a dentist as the enders and said you can come to his practice in Preston It's in Preston It's cheaper than paying 800 quid Mike comes here in Preston 855 to be precise There you go We'll leave it there We'll leave it there Terrible way to finish It's just got to net It's just got to net though 31 seconds after it I wonder if this NHS dentist No, no, let's leave it there There's definitely no dentist It's on the Eastlanks It'll be there in a sec Oh, net Thank you very much Dave We'll be back next week Hopefully we'll be much happier podcast to them It was today Make sure you give it a thumbs up Subscribe, give it a five star review All of that good stuff and we will see you later Bye bye