 It doesn't care if bodies are together, whether it's a special love relationship or whether it's a small little community forming, so to speak, or you're coming together to come to enlightenment. The ego does not care if the bodies are together. Very well says, I'll give you that much. You've done it. Gaps your bodies together under one roof. A lot of times people think somehow that it's always part of the grassy screen on the other side. Somehow if I could just live with like-minded individuals or I could just live with other course students or this, this, and that. All these pie-in-the-sky kind of things is if somehow... Everybody would understand me and everything. They would all speak my language and if and that and then, you know, the ego just says, well, very well then. If you go ahead, get those bodies like Mother Goose or Mother Hand, gather them all together under one roof. But the whole point of the ego is, but, keep the minds private. And that's the thing that the seed mind doesn't want to give up. It likes that autonomous feeling. It likes that private-ness, that uniqueness. It likes to have its space. I mean, how many times have you heard that phrase, you know, I need more space? You just have to give people their space at the time when we were down at the trailer that one time and we were doing all this. It was a digging in the garden or whatever and I remember you saying, I just got to go off in the woods. I just got to have my space. And really what the mind is saying is just the seed mind saying it wants its space. It seems like a lot of times it involves taking off and removing the body, but really the thing that is underneath it is the mind wants to keep its own individuality. We're in a little bit of a conversation in the kitchen about, you know, just the resistance to going down to the unemployment office. And those are the kind of things when you are feeling even a little bit of resistance. It's good to try to herd you both kind of trying to go into it a little bit. And if it doesn't, the kind of things that we're talking about, about taking it down, down, down, to start to see what is really going on here. Because on the surface, it's, well, it can just seem like, oh, I'm just trying to deal with it or it's trivial. And that was kind of the experience when we were down in Adrian in the beginning of the week. A number of people, you know, later in the week, they were able to say, well, I just had never talked about a lot of this stuff because it just seems too trivial to be bringing up in a group or wasting my time even talking about. Kind of like those are the things you're expected to deal with. And there's a lot of times it seems like there's so many of them that life would be one continuous session if you always were laying out every twinge of irritation and every twinge of upset, much less the seeming major ones just seems like it would be full of it. For our purposes, you know, it really comes down to spare no thought. You know, kind of, you have to start to see that that's part of the ego system and that minor irritation is the same as a major. I mean, there's really no distinction between the two. Is that something you want to go into? Yeah, what you asked me, I don't know. Just a little irritation. I guess I don't think going into a deeper is necessarily describing this anymore than you did, but it's just a matter of, you know, getting underneath to what's really going on, what the thoughts and beliefs are that would, you know, have those feelings be that way. And like David said, I think that's, you know, that's the very kind of thing we're talking about bringing to session. And I understand that that's what I'm supposed to do. And one of the things that I have, that I don't feel like, I don't want to feel like I'm being prodded or polluted, that I should be able to bring it to when I'm ready to bring it to. So, I don't know. Different mode of being and experiencing things, you know, when I know for much of my life was very shy, I was very reserved, I didn't talk in my family, I didn't talk to counselors, my friends and I, we would get into some things, but it was like things were never explored. It wasn't until I got into college and began doing just a lot of contemplation and exploration, going to movies, watching my emotions, reactions, tracing, starting to ask more and more questions about my mind that it started to clear up a bit, but it certainly, I think the biggest fear for me always was, I don't want to talk about all that stuff, you know, dredge up all that stuff, because I think there was a fear, partly, that it could be used against me. You know, if I start, if I start talking about all these little upsets that I had here and there with people, you know, the old thing about trusting someone enough to tell them something like that, the fear was of, well, I don't want to open up and tell all of my secrets or tell all of my, you know, issues and things that are going on, the feeling that somehow they could be used against me some way, you know, that's always a thing, even with in psychotherapy sessions, that's part of the whole thing in psychotherapy, is develop a trust, develop a trust between the patient and the therapist, so that there's a sense of confidentiality and so on and so forth, so that one can reveal. And it's a different, that's a much different mode than normal mode of wearing the mask and brushing things under the rug, so to speak, or, you know, all the defense mechanisms are made to keep one's sense of separateness and uniqueness protected, and it's to go in the other direction, seems very unusual or awkward at the beginning, but it's essential to kind of reverse. And I think one of the differences too is in this session when we might ask someone, you know, I know at times I've been asked, you know, what are you feeling or what's going on in it, it's, I think, you know, what I've come to see is that it's more of an invitation versus a, you know, crying or, or, um, pushing or somebody else, you know, thinking that I need to resolve an issue, it's not coming from that place, that's not the intention behind it, the intention behind it is to invite each other because we've all been in that place where we don't, where we think, oh, I just don't want to go into this, it just, it feels like it would be worse to talk about it, but knowing, but having the experience of doing it and seeing that it actually is very helpful, but initially it can seem like it doesn't feel like it would be helpful to go into it. And I think, you know, I think just from having the experience of that, I've come to see that, you know, it's always, it's always beneficial for me. And, you know, like you say too, Tom, you know, you have to be ready to do that and you have to be ready and willing to be in place to do that because you don't want to do it when you're feeling like it's, you know, being dragged out of the worst of things. One of the things I heard you say, and I think it applies across the board because I've heard it so many ways and I remember saying it myself. It's like, the feeling is kind of like, I just don't see why I have to deal with this. And I know I've done it, I remember when I was in high school with so many different things, you know, it just seemed, at the time I felt like life in general just seemed so overwhelming. And I, there was lots of things with school and preparing for the future and planning a career, you know, even when I was in a freshman, I remembered going to, you know, the career development kinds of classes and taking all these different tests and looking into all these things. And I'm, in ninth grade, I'm just wondering, you know, what am I doing all this for? And I just felt so overwhelming and ambiguous. And I've heard the same things, you know, when I talk to teenagers and young adults. A lot of times when they deal with issues, for instance, like pregnancy, it's kind of like it just seems so overwhelming. It just seems like I don't want to, I don't want to have to deal with this, right? There's, it seems like a complicated mess. And in general, everyone who comes to this world has gone through that same thing. They have made a series of decisions that have brought them to that place. I mean, decisions about everything, whenever, you know, when I decided to go to college, that was a decision. It came a point in college where I remember my parents saying, well, from this point on we've decided that, you know, we are not going to pay for your college. So I had to make a decision at that point. Do I continue on? If I do, do I try to do college, all the classes and work, you know, do that thing? Or do I just take out a loan, student loans, and try to go to college that way and then pay them off afterwards? That was a decision I opted for the student loans. So then I, you know, you go along. It's just like when you decide to get married, that's a decision. When you decide to have children, that's a decision. When you decide to do anything in this world, it's kind of just like, all these decisions are kind of like a sequence and series of them. And it's kind of like stepping into the dream world with all these decisions. Each one just is kind of another layer of it. And the only way to leave the dream world is to kind of retrace your steps as the way Raj says it a lot of times. You've got to go back and retrace the steps. And yes, the feeling, I know for a lot of adolescents when they're feeling overwhelmed, you know, the feeling is, I didn't ask to come here or for a lot of people to begin the spiritual journey. You know, the whole thing about wanting to take the rope up out real quick. It's like once you weave yourself in, you have to kind of unweave, unweave your mind out of it. And in one sense, I think the word that comes to mind too is just a thoroughness. You have to really be thorough in your retracing. You've all done that? Yes. You know, we've spent years doing that. It's not like any one of us has skipped that step of retracing. Carefully. We've all wanted the rope too, I think. Oh, I certainly have. Especially by some days.