 Came from Minneapolis, which is the land of a thousand lakes Lakers said that the Utah jazz should just swap names with somebody. Maybe it's the Lakers the LA jazz Why not you could have all of this? We used to take so much heat for being the jazz and keeping that name from New Orleans Mm-hmm Lakers did it no one talks about it. Yeah, I don't get that Well, and the New Orleans Hornets Eventually changed their name to the pelicans, right? They were Charlotte before that because Charlotte's full of But it's not like you don't have hornets in Louisiana. That's so it's like if they change their name But yeah, yeah, if you go listen, I mean although LA Lakers has always been funny to me because it's like, okay There are a couple of very small lakes very very small Great it's named after our least interesting feature, right? Yeah, like you don't know what no one is visiting LA It'd be like calling them the LA mass transits We have it technically, you know what what if the LA 101 the LA Metro leaks LA Metro links Alright we live All right, so alive, so do you feel alive? Oh my docket That's not good. It's no bueno Also Scotch's froze on me. Oh, yeah, me too. Okay Disconnect not Just for the heck of it Sometimes I docked in my computer starting to be weird Scott to freeze and I know what to do Um Heather Frank Oh Wait, I can't see a picture of you say something Scott wait. I heard him. That was weird Yeah, I did too that might have been an echo in the machine I think it was because he was referring to the dock which I hadn't talked about in a minute People talk about the ghost of the machine. That was the echo. Oh, and sorry You saw the Ming chi quo thing that I put in online 19 for you. I Did but did you change it? It was a There you are Yeah, yeah, you're froze we couldn't hear you and then you said something about the dock way late Weird it was like a caching issue or something. Who knows? Well, now it's happened again. Oh Scott hold on. Oh Oh, let me check my speed. Maybe now we hear hold on so that's good Oh, yeah, that's the sack. I just holding holding sir holding pattern thing pattern. I'm in a hole Hold the phone All right downloads are fine. They're like 900 mag. Let's see what uploads look like to Or megabyte, yeah, I should be fine I don't know what that is. All right. Well, it was farting around yesterday. I hope we're not part of that All right, YouTube is all people panicked the world was ending was YouTube is down for an hour. I Wouldn't it bad if it had happened right now? This is true Bless you Roger. I'm sorry. It's all that's you my son. It's goodies. They never leave That's true. Has that sore throat going for you Roger? Mine is actually way better. Um, I It's exactly the same one minute to show time folks places. Everyone Place it on your put on your masks get your costumes ready to do to 45 seconds It's time to play the music, right, right It's time to get things started On the DNS tonight. Oh, I talked to the a-cast guy this morning. Hey Afternoon for him. So we had one of those funny like good afternoon. Well, it's morning for me Time zones, how do they work 15 seconds and Sarah, can you read line six or three? I I can and I will thank you so much for you are so welcome. Hmm. All right eight Five I can't count three two one Thanks everybody who supports daily tech news show directly to find out more ahead to daily tech news show comm slash supports This is the daily tech news for Wednesday October 17th 2018 in Los Angeles on Tom Merritt and from studio feline I'm Sarah Lane from a place filled with brand new poker chips. I'm Scott Johnson, and I'm Roger chain and Poker chips. Does he starters coming in finally and all the box boxes are arriving And it's about to get crazy around here. But uh, yeah, it's all good means we're shipping Don't don't don't lose them all tonight in a big bet That's the problem. I shouldn't gamblers shouldn't do kick starters for poker cards Don't play with your own chips is what they say We are going to actually continue our conversation from yesterday Although Patrick Beja is not here Scott Johnson is and we're going to talk about streaming services that don't Involve games or at least uses of streaming services and where that might fit in to your world Including progressive web apps, although that's not exactly a streaming service We'll introduce you to that concept and tell you how it all ties in let's start with a few tech things you should know Skydio is selling its r1 autonomous drone for $1,999 at us apple stores The drone can be controlled from an apple watch letting you set commands like follow or orbit Mmm, don't as I don't steer it with my watch Bydu is the first chinese company to join the partnership on ai which develops ethical guidelines for ai research It already has google apple and facebook as members and they joined up Speaking of some of those apple google microsoft and mozilla have announced a unified plan to deprecate the use of tls 1.0 and 1.1 by march 2020 That's the protocol you use to keep your web connection secure. It's the little lock Tls is built on ssl which it has replaced in securing browser connections And sites are being given advice to switch to tls 1.2 or 1.3 again by march 2020 A lot of apple news today analyst ming chi quo now agrees with a bloomberg report from april That said apple could switch to arm-based processors for its max as early as 2020 quo points out that tsmc Which makes the a series chips for apple mobile devices would stand to benefits. It's almost more tsmc news Than it is apple news, right, uh, especially if you're working for tmc tsmc. All right Let's talk a little bit more about facebook. We got a couple of facebook stories. Scott has the first Well facebook admitted in september 2016 that it had inflated average video viewing figures By not counting uh views less than three seconds at the time it said it had discovered the issue one month before the august Or before august 2016. I remember this, uh, however a company called lle one is suing facebook And it's a as a part of the the court proceedings for this thing got to review internal facebook records lawyers for the case now say Facebook knew about the inflation in january of 2015 And that it resulted in a 150 to 900 rise in average time not 60 to 80 as facebook had claimed The two sides will appear before u.s district judge jeffrey white and a uh, oakland court on december 14th 2018 at 9 a.m That's a big jump 60 to 80 to 150 to 900. Yeah a little small change there in your numbers So let's go back over this real quickly facebook said in september that a month ago We realized That we weren't counting views less than three seconds in the average viewing time And of course if you get rid of everything that's three seconds suddenly the average jumps right because three seconds would bring the average down So they said we apologize for this. We fixed it, but Lle one at all by the way There's other people as part of the suit sued facebook for this saying Yeah, we think something shady is going on here. You were trying to trick us into buying ads It didn't affect ads directly But it could have convinced someone to buy ads because they saw oh, that's your view time. That's pretty good Uh, we want to be part of that So they in this part of discovery for the court case Found internal records that indicate that facebook engineers Knew about this back in 2015. So more than a year before facebook announced it had had discovered it Uh, you know, the obvious if you're lle one is they were lying and covering it up Uh, usually the answers are not quite that simple I wonder if it was engineers trying to tell their bosses something that the bosses are like That's not important while the advertising people weren't hearing about it and going out with the bigger number Well as you know, we all work in internet video. We all know that the ad space is still a bit of a wild west situation and I I think my my my initial question is is Is this something to sue facebook over if facebook just was like I don't know like the three second people or people who clicked on something by accident because that's all it is Right, it's either like you go like oh, this is not what I wanted or I clicked on it by accident I'm going out. I'm not going to watch any ad that might be associated with this video Okay, well that's something that an advertiser obviously wants to know about But is facebook suable for not providing that information? Just because the advertiser didn't really understand what was going on with the analytics Yes, I think they are if if you can show in court that facebook used that average view time to convince you to buy an ad You otherwise wouldn't have And and it was before 2016 when they knew about it but weren't saying then yeah, I think you could Yeah, I think they might have a case. We'll have to see I hope uh That must be a nightmare discovery. I just want to put that out there I've been involved in one other court case where I had to help with some discovery stuff It was under I wasn't being sued but never been a part of a bigger pain in my butt in my life than that So I know it's a big company everyone's got lawyers a million legal people all running around doing stuff It sounds terrible to me Well, since we're talking about facebook, let's talk about another story when facebook announced its portal voice activated speaker The company told recode no data would be collected through portal to be used for targeting ads Facebook has since corrected itself noting that while portal itself won't collect data for ad targeting the services it uses might And in the case of facebook messenger, which is used for placing calls It definitely will since messenger does that now already portal itself. However, will not run ads Yeah, so This is again I think it's the same thing going on one part of the company not knowing what the other part is doing The portal people were like we're not going to run ads We're not collecting any data from the use of portal so you can say there won't be any data collection And the messenger people are like hearing that going what will hold on messenger collects data I mean it always has so you're running messenger on portal Technically, there's going to be some data collected and any third party app you run like spotify or something might be collecting data too It's a it's a case of just not thinking it through I guess Well, when your company is big enough to be basically multiple companies in one and there's certainly not the only Organization out there that you can point to that has this problem these days Uh, I think this just happens, you know engineering doesn't talk to pr pr doesn't talk to art department art department doesn't talk to Accounting and that they should but sometimes they don't and you end up with these kinds of weird messaging and I don't know I'm trying to say is not that facebook is off the hook like well, so no no harm done It's I don't think it's because facebook is maliciously trying to figure out how to make themselves look bad in the public They're just not very good at this stuff sometimes. Yeah, I think I agree. Yeah Uh in the netflix earnings report netflix ceo read hastings had a lot to say about new fox Now that is not a fox with a different sweetener that will eventually become classic fox Uh, and instead is the part of fox that disney isn't buying So fox's broadcast channels fox news fox business the national sports channels for the most part Hastings said in the netflix earnings report New fox appears to have a great strategy, which is to focus on large Simultaneous viewing sports and news other linear networks are likely to follow this model over time He's basically saying Look, you can try to compete with us. We're killing it We're the entertainment source if you just want to sit down and pick something in your own time The only way to compete and stay alive is what new fox is doing, which is do the stuff We're not going to do live news and sports Yeah, I uh my my impression of uh this comment from him Is my first impression was oh, we're going to get this is him inching more toward talking about Live stuff on netflix, but that's not what this is. No, and they've actually he's actually said in a different venue Well, ted serendo said it not hastings, but I said like yeah live stuff isn't very entertaining So we wouldn't do that interesting thing to say I don't Believe that at all. Well, he was talking about the uh, he was talking about the the supreme court Uh nomination hearings. He's like that's not us. That's we don't do news. He wasn't talking about sports and stuff But that and that's fine and netflix is you know, netflix has been doing quite well over the last few years However, there are certain things that I don't get from netflix and a lot of that has to do with live appointment programming so For hastings to be sort of saying, you know, you know what new fox is doing really well is this live stuff Doesn't mean they're gonna get you know acquire that or or merge or or anything of the sort but I do think that um There is no way that netflix executives aren't talking about how to incorporate something like this especially with with uh with youtube television and and some of the other offerings that have actually become Really advantageous Particularly monetarily for a lot of us who you know have that word I I read this earnings report is them putting down their foot and saying yeah, we are not going into that space Yeah, we think that is the other thing that you want to get alongside netflix Uh, if you if you're trying to be warner media and create a netflix competitor, you're screwed We're going to dominate that but and I think he's right that there will be two types of services in the future Maybe three one service is like netflix on demand stuff. I want to watch I get to pick it live which is youtube tv which is which is uh potentially fox now Fox now branded service and then the the wholesaler like amazon where they're like we have our own thing But we also can let you add on hbo and stars and other stuff if you just want to have it all in one build Yeah, it does kind of seem like that. I don't know. I think uh the idea of live stuff on netflix Is probably not going to come in the way. We think they're working on that build your own adventure stuff And uh other strange little ideas that maybe you're a little outside of what we're thinking of so I'm with tom, but i'm also I also think it's crazy to think that netflix won't experiment. They probably will Uh, the website privacy dot apple.com It's just such a common bookmarkable name Now includes the ability for apple users to search what data apple stores about them and download it All right, so you want to go over there and find out what they got on you Hot dang it's your it's your lucky day and includes things like cloud bookmarks iTunes purchases and your apple care support history apple also launched the intelligent tracking prevention To reduce ad targeting and changed browser settings to combat fingerprinting Um, I kid around a little bit here, but actually really i'm excited about this Also a little nervous to see all the stuff that i've bought over the years We're done It's it's apple doubling down on we're the people who really do respect your privacy We're going to make it as part of gdpr easier for you to see what data we have about you and even download it and sift through it So you can search to say do they know this about me or you can just download it all and look at it all at your own leisure Uh, but you know, I it's not a bad thing and uh, they kind of have to do it Uh for europe but making it available for everybody is a smart move because people are at least The buzz is that people are very concerned about privacy and there are some vocal people who are I'm on the page right now, uh, just so people know what you get when you log in Uh, you can get a copy of all your data You can correct any of your data if you think any personal information is wrong There's a deactivate your account which in theory means your account stays intact just deactivated And then a final option is delete your account which says it will permanently delete your account And any associated data from apple services So in in theory if you really wanted to raise quit apple you could get rid of it all in a single click here. It looks like And if you don't believe apple doesn't track you this this is supposed to help prove it like look We don't have your your tracking information in here And we even launched these new programs to help combat tracking if you're using safari anyway Yeah, oh man. There's a huge list here you guys. I'm scared. I don't want to look at it All right, why why are you scared like you're scared of your iTunes purchase history? I'll tell you what it is Sarah a couple of years ago or maybe not even that long ago maybe less than a year ago I was curious about what I have spent over time on And steam has this little algorithm you can run that'll say all right. We've checked against your account Here's everything you've spent here's everything you have and it's this big list and I went into thinking Oh, it won't be too bad It was kind of nightmarish how many times I bought something even small and it added up On steam. So this gives me the same kind of list. I'm a little trepidatious Okay, but that's like kind of like logging into your will's fargo account and being like, huh been paying too much for coffee I get it. I get it. I just I just don't like to know There's a thing you can do in World of Warcraft where you can hit slash played I do not recommend you do it if you want to Never understand how much actual time you played in a video game because it is Kind of shocking to your system and it does it in days. So it'll say, you know, you've played 600 days That's 600 solid 24 hour days This that kind of information is sometimes best left out of my eye So you don't like the screen time uh feature on iOS, huh? Actually, you know what I do like Okay, I do not because it makes me seem like a freak You know, see this is what's fun about it though or what I like about it It is isn't it's it's not like it's saying hey for the last 10 years. Here's your screen time that I don't want I do like that. It says hey in the last seven days. You really had too much twitter time I like being told that because I can I can make a decision and actually change course if if that's what is something I want. Yeah, no, I I'm with you all kidding aside There have been some time where it's like your average screen time is, you know Three and a half hours a day or something like that where I'm like really that's a lot I know I use it for work and everything but It's a lot. All right, moving on samsung launched xx neos auto chips and iso cell auto image sensors expanding the chip line outside mobile devices The xios line will include chips devoted to driver assistance infotainment and telematics iso cell sensors including three Include three models that range from nine hundred sixty p to four k Samsung also announced it has acquired zlabs a spanish analytics company that uses ai to help carriers Monitor network performance down to the individual subscriber level samsung also added that zlabs will operate as a fully owned subsidiary so Just just good to know kind of stuff samsung Moving its chip business into auto we talked yesterday about arm launching a more Fully funded rnd effort towards different uses of arm outside of mobile devices This is the wide new world of chip making where intel doesn't dominate every market And samsung very wisely wants to get into the automotive market. That's a it's a good growth area to be in As people believe that self-driving cars and at the very least smart car fleets Are going to become the wave of the future and another wave of the future is 5g And so buying a company that can help a carrier Understand and and maximize its brand new 5g network. That's a brave new world Another good money move for samsung. I believe I like it Yeah, who doesn't hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each date about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com All right, we didn't talk about chrome 70 Coming out for windows mac and linux and it includes the option to turn off that automatic sign in if you didn't like That signing into the chrome browser also signed you into youtube and gmail and everything else You can turn that off so that when you sign into one it doesn't automatically sign you in the other Although it remains the default option in chrome 70 It also has an av1 decoder. That's a great open platform for video The ability to restrict extensions access to websites So if there's an extension that you like But you don't trust and you want to make sure it doesn't access any website other than the one It's supposed to you can do that And chrome 70 supports something called progressive web apps on windows Which can be launched from the start menu progressive web apps for desktop particularly progressive web apps are interesting google will extend desktop pwa support to mac linux and And mac and linux and chrome in chrome 72 It already does it in chrome os and if you're like hold on what's progressive web app to begin with It loads like a regular web page But it can act like an app It can work offline It can deliver push notifications It can access your device hardware in a way that a native app would but a web page normally doesn't And because it's using various standards to do this it works in any browser It doesn't it doesn't have to work in a particular browser as long as the browser supports standards So a progressive web app will work in safari. It'll work in edge. It'll work in chrome however App like features such as independence of connectivity working offline Installing to the home screen like an app Or the start menu push messaging that depends on browser support So if you go to the pwa directory the official progressive web app directory at pwa dash directory dot app spot dot com Slash pwas you can find a lot of progressive web apps and they'll work in whatever browser you put on them but only in chrome os And now in windows 10 in chrome 70 Could you install them and installing them means they'll work offline and they'll work like an app The idea Scott is that you have something that's pushed down from the internet that works no matter what device you're using Which got us talking on the morning stream this morning About the idea of well, what if I don't even want to have it downloaded at all? Well, I mean we It's funny. We all laughed at steve jobs in 2007 and eight when he was trying to explain why they wouldn't have native apps At least not right away and he kept saying all web apps. They're the future That's the thing and then they went ahead made a hugely successful app store that continues to this day and seemed to Sort of squash any ideas that steve jobs had about apps or the future of them But I think maybe now maybe he was just a little ahead of his time Or maybe he just got lucky with what's happening now because this makes perfect sense to me What happened with our conversation this morning? Is it started to fan out a little bit? I had some time I know patrick talked about but I had some time with assassin's creed via chrome Uh, and I was really blown away by how well that went And it got me to thinking about Outside of gaming. What are the possibilities? I subscribed to adobe cc the creative suite and I need it for almost everything I do Uh from audio and video production all the way over to everything I do with art stuff And so the idea that one day hopefully soon Uh, I could have a a a thinner client Say a come a crummy or notebook or anything with a screen on it with a way to connect to the internet at speeds Needed to make this happen that I could log into something like photoshop on a tablet And use native photoshop to create the stuff i'm creating And have local files that sync with cloud files and do it in a way that is so seamless That you don't even think about it. This is just the way you run your apps now That's an enormous change To the business where there's a lot of compatibility questions all throughout the chain of production this now limits it to more of a one-to-many service And you just have to have Compatibility on the one and then the many The only breaking compatibility could be internet connection and as they improve how that works And what buffers what doesn't how you deal with the latency issues that gaming is, you know Quite frankly pushing forward they roll that stuff into regular app usage and before you know it You're just renting services to to use everything and I heard somebody this morning in our chat room go I'll just keep using google docs. Thank you very much And I went no that is what you are you're just in one of the footprints leading us to this other thing That they're using a more limited version of what we're talking about exactly You're using cloud-based stuff, which you know 10 years ago people will laugh at the idea of google docs being Ubiquitous and as functional as it is So I just see that as another step toward this this idea where we just don't think about it tom I run photoshop. It's not pulling any resources on my side other than the minimums. It's not taking up four To six gigabytes of storage just to run the thing It's not taking tons of RAM and memory I'm just using the cloud for all of it and that's really exciting And and I think the thing that ties them together I assess in screed is the thing that ties them together, right? You were playing a game in chrome Which which Is like playing an app in chrome. It's not a progressive web app, but it's the same idea of it doesn't matter what operating system I'm on anymore Uh, if if progressive web apps take off I can just use whatever I have and get the same selection of apps and the developers only have to code them once Uh, and it'll be great However The step beyond that is like what blade provides We've talked about this before on the show blade is a french company that markets itself is gaming But essentially just rents you a windows machine with a 1080. I think it's a 1080 Nvidia processor So that you can have a really powerful computer and use it on your crappy laptop Because it's just streaming it to you So you you can essentially rent a powerful computer without having to buy a new Powerful computer, which is the same idea of I don't again have to think about what computer. I'm using what device I have I can still get maximum quality from it So there's something similar between both of these ideas that I think Could point the way to the future. There there's some impediments to both things which is basically adoption But from what we can tell what patrick was talking about with gaming yesterday. There's no reason That if the latency is short enough to play games that you couldn't use it for office and photoshop and even video editing like premiere Oh, absolutely. And there's some cool scaling that's happening now. Like we've come a long long way from on live Uh, which was really innovative and cool when it hit but You know Huge changes have happened since then on how this stuff works on local networks on broader networks on the internet itself Like how you can reduce latency on lower speed connections improve that experience Uh, give the user more control over that sort of thing like we're getting there and all the old fears are still there Well, what's to stop them if they turn it off for me? They turn it off for everybody and there's nothing I can do about it Or what if my isp goes down? These are all valid questions But like any service that you demand uptime from They'll either get your money or they won't and they'll work real hard to keep it and have 99.9 Percent uptime and hopefully your eyes people's Nines, but yeah, sure, but like 99.9 would be pretty bad It would be but like the idea of Of of these things like I just asked people to take their brains go back a decade and look at how you felt about Digital-only games movies and tv shows and music and how you were like, well, I don't like that I like to have it on my shelf on a cd and there's there's people in the audience right now saying I'm that way right now And you and you will because there's always a long tail and it takes forever to change This is like self-driving cars or any of these texts we talked about Add something really quick just to short on time This is kind of going back to the whole kind of client server model where Back in the day, you would ask you would access whatever was on the server from a dumb terminal You didn't need any real smarts in in the interface that you're using because everything was happening on the back end And in a way, that's kind of what we see right now. I'm kind of larry ellison's net pc No, it's always it's always been there It's all a matter of resources and application whether the application could run Remotely or not and in the old terminal days. It's the only way it could happen You didn't you didn't have the ability to afford to give everyone their own computer on the desktop But then that got really cheap and suddenly it was like well We don't have the bandwidth to do what we can do on a desktop For everyone over their terminal. So it's swung the other way. It's the pendulum might be swinging back now We shall see. I love it. I think this stuff's great. We should all embrace it and quick acting like they're taking something away from us I think it's very Wait, were they acting that way? I don't know. I may have just built a straw man and set it right there Stop that straw man. You stop acting that way. I don't like Well, thanks everybody who participates in our sub reddit. 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Well, you know, it's funny craig wrote in and echoed something that scott said just a few minutes ago Craig says I was invited by ubisoft to play assassins creed odyssey on project stream I started playing yesterday and found it to be virtually flawless after this experience I feel comfortable saying game streaming has arrived Yeah, I mean just to tack on to the end of that my experience of that with that was similar and I was Shocked that it worked as well as it did because part of my brain knew I launched it in chrome of all places And now it's full screen And running like I've got some hot fully decked out state-of-the-art gaming pc And I didn't have any lag it was incredible and I I know there's been others technologies like this but to do that in a browser on an old mac Notebook on a so okay sort of wi-fi connection was kind of mind-blowing. So we're In the gaming space anyway, I think this stuff's gonna happen sooner because it'll get to the point where you're just having a great Experience and you don't need to argue about whether it's fast enough or whatever it just will be And I think he's right therefore. I think I'm right And as far as we know craig is in no way made of straw. No, but it's halloween time. But so I understand It wants to be a scarecrow for halloween. That is sure. Yeah, we're gonna take it that away from that is fine Uh, thank thank you for the feedback and everybody who gives us feedback Every day you help us make our show better. Also. Thanks to scott johnson For all your witty pros and not being a straw man ever as well Tell folks where they can keep up with your other work Well, I'd rather have witty pros than witty cons. 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What do we call it nailed it? 10 out of 10 If you were dog rates, it would be 12 out of 10 You know what we didn't talk about tom? I don't even talk about later Hardware what I was going to say is hardware is going to get less expensive because we're all going to need just thin clients That don't need to be special anymore when this is we move forward and that's yeah I was thinking about that too like hardware replacement rates slow down if this is true Well, this dings people though like apple maybe not for phones, but for for laptops for sure I think what's going to happen is the home server market's going to explode where people do kind of a localized Internet the amplification of the internet No too long Those two we got stop that straw man Stop that straw man No grab all of him all of your full straw out of him stream lining productivity get it stream hyphen lining That's clever. I like it. All right done. Okay Are okay Anyway, uh, you were saying uh, Scott, uh, I think I was saying that oh It just would since the stuff never happens overnight, you know, it's a long thing and who knows how it turns out but if you had to introduce it overnight people like apple and dale and All our hardware manufacturers would suddenly go. Oh, I guess all we're selling are these now But I but but at the same time apple's not selling as nobody's selling as many laptops as they used to So that may not be as big of a deal anymore. We might be heading there. And so, you know It's and then it's a matter of like what does something cost is it 199 dollars? And that's just a screen and a box and a connection like it'll probably look like end up looking like a laptop Because it's that is probably the most proper Or nobody replaces anything because they just keep their hardware they've got and just Do the services and they let the they don't upgrade anymore. It's just you keep it a lot longer I don't think you keep it forever because at some point it becomes incompatible Even with the streaming service or or the fasted the internet gets faster and you need a new wi-fi Uh protocol that yours doesn't support something like that You'll need something to keep it for a lot longer than you would now Right, you would still need something special for like flights, right to the stored one locally unless you're trying to Run it on the place. Yeah, you're on the plane and you're working. You just use the internet Yeah, I would use the internet on the plane. Yeah, and that will just improve right like that It's already getting super. Oh, you can stream video on planes now That would be like a like a parallel technology that will continue to grow because there's benefits to people paying more to have such access I It's the future people may not like or know it yet And I know we all like to have a thing and keep a thing But I'll tell you I know I think it's leaning toward that, but I don't think it's gonna go full bore No more than than laptops didn't kill desktops I mean like it's always going to be a reason that somebody will have for the old form factor Right. I don't think anything ever was not even a form factor. It's just uh, it's a it's a uh Processing model, right? Well, are you gonna keep everything local or are you gonna put it? There will be some specialty reasons to keep it local, but it will be a unusual circumstance, I think Or iconoclasts or specialty specialty uses I mean if it ferds Sarah if you Like right now shadow, I think is $35 a month But let's say the price comes down if for $10 a month you could have access to a fully up-to-date editing rig To do this show Your video editing and everything on and you didn't have to change your laptop. You can just keep the laptop You have for the next several years Does that sound attractive to you? Yes very much. Yeah I mean that sounds like almost free Right now it's $35 a month would which could you could do it? Well, that's what that's what and that's what we were talking about. Um, premieres, uh, I'm blanking on the name of it Premier rush Right, like that's the thing is like Many of us use programs that are You know the best in the biz But we use several features of of many Um, and you know, that's that's one of the things that I could say about premier or logic or lots of programs that I use Is like it does what I need it to do, but I'm not taking advantage of everything. I would say the same thing about photoshop I'm just not a graphics whiz. I can do a couple of things But other programs that are cheaper do that nicely. So If I can have a Something that's closer to $10 a month rather than 30 Why wouldn't I take advantage of it now? Of course that that won't apply to everybody especially like a super pro user that actually needs all the features that are available Great fine, but but I think most people are overpaying for features that they're not using Well, I'm asking a different question, which is you will never have to replace your laptop You will have access to a top-level machine that you can install premier on You can do everything on and it will have the the latest graphics card the latest everything It's just you're accessing it over the internet and now you don't have to worry about upgrading your hardware Yeah, or you're all in no matter, you know I might be a weird use case because my laptop keyboard is currently full of sand. So I actually want a new laptop Fair enough. Yeah, well, no, I think that's a fair Like there's a little bit of like, yeah hardware depreciation Forever for other reasons, right? Yeah, yeah Yeah, I mean if you've said to me If you said today Scott, would you like to stop buying new hardware? And just you would have The service that would just grow instead with me Because I'm already paying for a lot of it anyway, like I just pay one time for all I mean that sounds really good to me like really good And I don't think it gives me any less control of things I mean, this is going to be a part of the market working itself out But you know, I I would still want to have a lot of control. Let's say audition I love audition. I use it every day for every show I do. I think it's an amazing piece of audio software and editing software So keep giving me that Give me all of the aspects of it Through whatever thing client I want and have it grow with me me not having to go Oh, things are getting slow now for this for this freaking software I could better go buy a you know another thousand dollar box or whatever Like I don't want to do that anymore I want to just I just want to keep growing with it and let me have my files and let me control the files And let me control everything about it But I'll but I'll do that now the big hang-up about all of this still in my mind and many others. I'm sure Can I count on Comcast every day to make sure I'm never down? No Right now I can't Well, but that's getting better. I mean better right it is and that but don't you think that's the big hang-up like I mean it there's a multiple level hang-up. One is connectivity But you know at the same time people don't there's not millions of people with Honda generators in the garage just in case the public utility decides not to To to supply, you know electricity to your house I mean, do you have one? In your house, I mean, there's the potential for you not having electricity. You should or banks What if you go to the bank the bank has an outage? Oh, we can't get to your money today I mean those are only I guess we'll that's why I keep the money Or water when there's an earthquake Yeah, that's why I have a water heater Yeah, you should have emergency plans for that stuff But you don't not live in a house with water service like oh, I only live in a house with its own well Exactly. Yeah, although, you know, that's kind of a thing now in LA No, yeah, but it's not the majority but that's not the norm. That's not what yeah We're not talking about the fact that something exists, but what is the prevailing Massive adult I would rather have a distributed model where I would have a home server that runs everything, you know my games my My home entertainment whatever but you would just have screens and interfaces throughout the house wherever you needed it So you you want to run your own? A cloud service most people won't want to do that though Well, I'm I'm I'm hoping that they'll be more localized So that if you ever have a problem you can already do that you can do that right now And the latency will be virtually nothing because it's on a home network Like that's not a thing you have to wait for to do go do it. Yeah, that parts the powers, you know It's the only rule to hang up there But then again, like I'm not looking for a service where if a nuke drops boy that photoshop better still be up We're gonna have bigger issues if a nuke drops, you know, like it's not gonna be my first thought But but as much uptime as possible We as a society have gotten to a place at least in where we are now I don't I'm not I'm not trying to say I don't know the plights in places The world will have power part of the day and don't the rest of the day or no power at all or good water all that Um, but let's just you know look at the ideal here for a second We're we're in pretty good shape. I can't remember the last time I had a really bad power outage that wasn't planned or I wasn't told about Listen this this this conversation is like the conversation about Netflix streaming when it launched on buzz out loud I said Netflix streaming is the future and people said No way bandwidth caps and slow DSL will kill this in the grave Netflix streaming will never catch on and my response was like listen Bandwidth's getting better the the caps are getting bigger if if they're even implemented at all Netflix is going to survive this and it's going to be really big and it has been this the same thing It's like yes, this solution isn't perfect for everyone right now I'm not trying to argue that it is But things are progressing in a way that indicate that it would be something that most people could take advantage of I don't think that's the hang up for it. I think it's more trust I think it's more what rogers attitude of like, you know, I'd rather have it in my house That loses you the advantage of always having the latest hardware without having to buy it and maintain it yourself But there's a trust issue there. That's why I think maybe roger you're on to something It's not that you want to have the server in your house that serves everything But you want to have the data storage in your house Well, locally So you rent the windows machine in the cloud But it gets its data from your local storage. You don't store it with them I know with with blade you with blade you can encrypt it and you're the only one who knows the password for it So so you you have a measure of safety there trust. I mean assuming you trust, you know The the the guys and the blade back end. I mean, that's the whole thing. I mean you brought I don't know. I mean, I don't know enough about how it works But I think if you encrypt a windows machine in the cloud, it's still encrypted and if they're I guess the trust issue would be that they're not running a keystroke Oh, yeah, exactly. You know, it's the same thing with vpns vpns are secure point to point But you have to you have to trust but you are starting to get tinfoil hat at that point Oh, no, I I wouldn't say it's tinfoil. I think it's just so I'm talking about the majority of people who have a minor privacy concern Aren't going to go that far. I don't think probably not. I mean, I don't know we do this in degrees. It's like the It comes in waves and this is the thing whenever there's something bad that happens people Swing the other way now and now how long that lasts You know depends on what the what the issue is but they do or do they I mean facebook is Still there with billions of users you would think they would have swung I don't think they swing as much the other way we think sometimes But I think well, this is part of it is context, right? Like I don't really put that much Important information with the understanding I understand what facebook is. So we're not talking about you. You're unusual I'm not actually all that unusual For facebook you are. Yeah, the majority of people put a lot more stuff on facebook than you Um You know it so this we had this debate all like maybe four years ago with uh daren kitchen about like people and why why they Aren't as up on like cybersecurity as they should be and part of it is unless they're personally affected unless they see An impact a tangible impact from a data breach. They're not there's like To bring that back to the cloud computing That's why I think most people will say oh, well if if everybody thinks it's safe Then I guess it's safe and as long as nothing happens then they won't worry about it And if blade is doing things the way they say they're doing them, which I have no reason to believe they're not Then it is really safe I I Firmly see it being at least 80 percent, you know of that Of the way people compute in the next 20 years The anyway where I was trying to go is so you so let's say that the majority of people have a general trust That that windows 10 machine is actually encrypted and they weren't running a keystroke logger on you And maybe there's some new ways to be sure that they're not You keep your data local then You're you're golden and you get a fast machine always in the cloud that you can use on whatever device you have With your home server running with data and and a data server doesn't have to be kept In your home it could be somewhere else Well, no the point was to have it in your home Just because you don't trust it being somewhere else Wasn't it wasn't that your point? No, the whole idea is that you have control whether it's in your house or co-located So you have a box. That's all that's all the blade is is a colo I know but you you can you go to where blade keeps their their servers and say hey, I want to look it Yeah, no, that's a fair point. I don't think you can I mean theoretically you could but I don't think that's part of their their service That's why you said you said you're a bit torrent clients put your storage out in a colo like maybe some colo consumer Colos pop up where it's like you don't have to be a sys admin Just plug in your data here, but then you have to trust the colo, right? Well, there's there's levels of trust It's not either you trust or you don't I mean it goes up and down depending on the person, right? You trust your family. Well, most people trust their family is more Over the guy who lives across the street, but you try to trust a guy across the street More than the guy you've never met should I mean like there's there's there's a staircase Yeah, I'm not sure if that's a valid assessment of trust though. That's just a feeling of trust Isn't that what you go on We're talking about whether you you will uh be harmed by trust that's not trust then but that's that the trust is the feeling aspect You know trust isn't whether or not it actually like your faith in someone, you know bears fruit Well, I guess for whether people adopt the service then you're definitely you're what you're talking about is important And a colo means oh, I can meet the person and I'll feel like it's safe Right, it'll be like like I'm faking like, you know how like, um No, no coach. What do you call it? Uh not credit banks, uh What do you call it those things that are like banks? But everyone's yeah credit union imagine a credit union sort of Version of of those services would be kind of cool. Yeah. Yeah, that is kind of cool You take advantage of the financial expertise of a credit union without having to deal with a bank That's who really just wants to make money off of you not help you protect your finances Would you like to use our money market savings account? I was like, well, what's your savings rate? It's better than the cd. You're planning to put it in it's okay Wait, I get two bank accounts or no two checking accounts I get free use of any non Thing is though any but anytime you have to do something like that people won't do it They're like, I just want the cloud thing. I just want it all to be in the cloud and make it easy Well, I make it easy is the the most important part like yeah, and that's what blade does blade makes it super easy And there'll be other companies like that too. I think And this gets back to what scott's talking about where you can have the Perfect machine always available on whatever crappy piece of equipment you have around Yeah, I just think there's some There's some stuff to get over But I think there's something to be said about that being the thing and there's too much investment happening right now in this technology In the way it's made written It's maintained what companies are making huge investments in the future of cloud computing and AI Which is tied together like there's stuff man, and we're all going to get services as a result whether or not That will happen in the next five or ten years. I don't know But it's weird the older I've gotten and the more deep I've gotten I've gotten more and more to this idea of like, yeah, I want things as a service and I want stuff Finished and done. I don't want to with it. I don't want to build my own PCs anymore I want to have a thing that works every time and I want to make the stuff I'm making And I want to retain control over that stuff, but I don't need a shelf full of things You will you know Speaking of things that you want, uh, if you want to listen to any more of the show stay tuned for the audio only stream on Discord or Thank you video folks for watching. Yes, folks stick around. There's more to come. Bye My segue