 I'm doing it to survive. We're not born vegetarians. Brother, how old are you? How old do you think the animal was that you're eating? Hi, my name is Joey Carbstrong. I'm a vegan who has spent the last seven years trying to convince people that animal cruelty is wrong, without as much success as I hoped. So I thought I'd try a new completely opposite approach. I'd pretend to support animal cruelty and harness the power of reverse psychology. And you're deleting your brainwarp. What? This is how it went. So I've got a sign here. What do you think about this sign? Did you read the sign? It is interesting. Yeah, I was saying there's nothing wrong with animal cruelty. What do you think about that? In the burger. He actually was eating a burger? He actually was eating a burger? Yeah, he said there's always something wrong with animal cruelty. He was eating a burger. Hiya. Hello, how are you? I'm good, thank you. How are you? Hello, how are you? Absolutely love you. This guy here, you want his hair or he turns you vegan? He does. Maybe. He does not stop by and run about you. I'm Steve, I'm a Kiwi. Hi Kiwi Steve. Oh my God. To meet you was on my bucket list. Oh really? And you just did? Yeah, no. Now you can die. You don't die. Thank you for everything you've done. Thank you mate. You're a fucking legend. Bless you my friend. Thank you. There's lots of wrong with it. Obviously we all... There's animals of cruelty in a way because we eat animals. The way you come across this is like you're going to start kicking animals for no reason. Well, I mean if you were to kick an animal I probably wouldn't have that bigger issue with it because when you think about it like... Well you don't kick an animal for no reason. I mean let's just say I want to kick him to tenderise him before I eat him. We saw you on this morning previously. Oh really? The female cast will suffer the same fate as their mother which is forcible impregnation. They're not getting pregnant naturally, forcefully. And the thing that you said about milk and about cows being raped in order to do that, that was something because oh is it, is a bloody extreme this is a nutter. But when you actually think about it you can't massively disagree with what you're saying. I do eat meats, I'm a meat eater but I'm not your typical meat eater. So for example, if even from a very young age say for example someone gives me a steak or a slice of beef or anything that actually looks like meat in my head from a young age I've always thought it looks like flesh and I've never been able to eat it. For me, because I did be January and it was just all in too much too soon I know I need to make that change and I'm all for it but I just think it's it's something, it's a complete change to everything I've done, I'm 35 and I think it's a journey and it's educating and knowing right I like that so I'll explore that and you know all that sort of stuff. I think that the difficulty for me is the taste of being completely honest it's the taste I've really loved. You've got to look at life in perspective of what it all is you do so for no reason if you're going to kill somebody and eat them, that's part because you're hungry and you need to survive you don't do it just for no reason. Do you eat animals because you're trying to survive? Well because I have to it's what I enjoy as part of my life I eat animals. I understand I could become a vegetarian because you're trying to survive is all I want to know Yeah it is but I wouldn't kill an animal for no reason Can you live without eating animals is what I want to know I can do So you are doing needless animal cruelty as well you are supporting needless animal cruelty as well because you're not doing it to survive you're doing it because I am doing it to survive we'll need nourishment in our bodies we're not born vegetarians Even the texture even to the potwires need force fed it as a child literally makes me wrench so the only type of meat that I've ever been able to eat has always been like beef burger chicken breast if there's any sort of bone or anything involved makes me wrench You don't sound like a natural I'm on here Which one? Milk macaroon mark My videos Respect take care I've never eaten meat Wait a second See you later What's this? Paddington bear? That's for children bro That's for children How old are you bro? The chimps are vegan there The chimps are vegan I don't want this bro You can take it if you want I'm eating this junk for this is disgusting Dominion show what happens to animals Have you seen it? I've seen it about 12 times You won't watch it, it's on YouTube Will you watch it bro? Dominion Oh minions Dominion How old do you think the animal was that you're eating? The chickens are, guess how old chickens are when they're eating between 4 and 6 weeks Oh baby chicks And how are they killed? How do they kill chickens there? In a gas chamber Is it? This planet is full of animals And we're all animals Animals we see today It's life, but you don't do it unnecessarily So you don't do it unnecessarily You wouldn't kick someone A dog walks down the street You wouldn't kick a dog What about this, I take the dogs I put them in a factory farm I raise them the same way You get your bacon and your chicken I put them through there To make them grow bigger There's probably a bit of dog shit in there It's probably not that hygienic But we give them antibiotics They might give birth to puppies In their burrowing crates I might snip their tail off So they don't bite each other's tails I might clip their teeth down I treat them how we treat pigs Or how we treat chickens And then I send them to a slaughterhouse Then I put them down into a CO2 gas chamber Like they do with the pigs I'll come and make bacon out of them Afterwards Would that be cruelty? In a way it is cruelty But your way Of your thinking What you're saying is a bit old I don't think there's anything wrong with it Because I'm eating them And neither do you because you eat them too No you're putting that side because You're just going to kick an animal in the street for no reason If I'm hungry and I'm animal like a lion I need to eat and feed my family An animal to survive and feed my family To survive To survive? In a survival situation I know that the society we live in Is a different world today Who here is trying to survive? Everybody If you didn't feed somebody Do you think we're in a survival situation here? Everyone needs to feed Of course If you take away meat From everyone What would happen? Will we die? A lot of people would die because You'd have to rely on the vegetation In the whale which is not a lot Wait The animals people eat They're eating plants like ourselves And we have to just rely on plants So you wouldn't have enough animals In the whales Because they'd be taking away our food Because we're not eating them Because we're only eating vegetarian food If you don't take away the animals There's no cycle of life where you can't survive On everyone being a vegetarian Let me get this straight I think it's about 80 billion Land animals like chickens and cows And pigs have been killed every year They're eating plants What is your put yourself to be fair? I'm trying to say that Are you a vegetarian yourself? What are you though to be fair? You're asking all these questions What is it? Most people here If you look around They support animal cruelty When they go into the store And you pay for something So to say there's a guy selling bacon there I go in there, I buy the bacon Animals are farmed in factories And they're killed in factories Most people and family Most farms are quite They love their animals They send them to slaughter After a certain time The thing that I think is really important Is right now it's currently Culturally acceptable To eat meats, but it's changing Bit by bit my sister Recently become vegan She's there trying to get us all along And trying to push us in that direction And the only way that that's going to be Possible I think is By making The vegan foods As Tasty and as Easily available Convenience, taste Maybe cost as well And education You have to show people why they should avoid it Education is quite literally Stopped It should be in schools Meat industry wouldn't like that If it was in schools There is no child that would grow up And it meets Children at school will show That's actually what happens Education Why are they not big enough to learn about You were force fed meat You didn't actually want to eat meat And I think like if children Especially knew the truth You just have to have a conversation With a kid My nephew already Because he found out that a burger is a cow He will not eat a burger Children aren't cruel like that They're conditioned To just accept it It happens from when they Look at the parents That's so enormous And if I showed slaughterhouse footage And there's kids walking past I'd get in trouble by the parents You'd have your screen taken down If you refuse you should be arrested And say it was Shake your hands Really You're all vegan now She takes it as saying we have to turn So she turns you vegan Turn to To use a making impact To hear this story And then she implements you Amazing, don't care I think they've actually just hit Really important points We were just talking about kids I don't think it's just about educating the children I think it's just about education for all Everyone Because if the real truth And the real facts are put in front of everyone And they were shown what goes into In their morning slice of bacon That piece of bacon Will be a lot less appetising Than it is currently You wouldn't eat a dog even if it was Inconvenient too So if you added the same level Of inconvenience to avoiding dogs You would do it But the reason you don't do it Is because right now And it's really hard to say to you Because I know you care You don't care about these other animals enough Yeah, avoid it like you would avoid dog meat Yeah, have the animal that's not You know, the done thing Such a natural thing, isn't it That people eat like you say People eat bacon, people eat beef It all comes from an animal And you know It's a journey for me It's a journey that I'm willing to be on And it's going to be a gradual thing But I do 100% Have the view that one day I absolutely will be vegan And that is my goal Because I do struggle when it comes to egg Milk, cheese, all that sort of stuff That's where I do have a struggle Because if I eat meat Or if I eat fish I know an animal has ultimately died For me to have that Whereas with the dairy industry That's where I struggle a little bit more Because I don't And again, like I say, it's an education thing But I don't straight away see What the issue is And for me as well The dairy industry is wrong For so many reasons, other than the killing We made a documentary on it Here And it's called Milk Make Your Own Mind Up I would just have a watch of that If you watch it and you go Okay, now I know the full impact of my choices I just That's exactly what I need, I think Because the why is the reason, is the motivator For what you do That's the reason I'm still vegan after nearly nine years Okay, brilliant Thank you so much It's really nice to meet you Yeah, you too Have a good evening But what about dogs? Like we did what we did to pigs and chickens and cows The dogs What would you say about that? Because they're animals? I've answered that They've survived, haven't they? Love each other, love everything around you From trees, plants, animals But everyone else has survived I wouldn't want to eat someone I love That's for sure I don't think that love and eating them Are connected, myself Of course not, but You're missing me points You're still loving these animals that are dying But you have to survive And it's respect And that's what happens Anyway, nice speaking to you No worries You're vegan Because you're really It's easier not to Yeah? Convenience Yeah, 100% It's easier not to And currently It's cheaper not to Maybe Okay, so there are the two main reasons for you? Yeah But you agree it's the right thing to do? Yes, 100% Okay So because it's Let me ask you this If it was a little Inconvenient to Avoid dog meat Would you eat the dog meat? I wouldn't eat dog meat if my life depended on it The meat from other animals And it's not like your life depends on it It's a bit of inconvenience I know A bit more expensive to avoid dog meat I do understand the argument I really do And that's I agreed with a lot About what you said about meat But I really like milk Still to this day As a greater part I really like milk Dairy milk Yeah, I do And you know the process I've tried See, after what I saw The things that you talked about I've moved over more to almond milk Ah, cool Literally as a direct result But at the same time I do still eat I do still drink dairy milk Yeah The only way that I can do that Is because I have to literally Lock out on my mind The things that you had said And again I'm deliberately being Ignorant Do you know It's deliberate ignorance The thing that gets It's not actually as hard as you think To avoid dairy milk You just go Like that in the supermarket Or you Like if you had the right Resources Do you think you would Like let's just say I gave some resources If almond milk was the same process Dairy milk Was I would drink just I think you can get Sawyer and Oat For about 50p a litre If you've got someone who cares About animals like you do And you go Well every time I buy dairy This happens to the cows Some horrible, horrible thing And they go to a slaughterhouse When they're not Profitable anymore See even you just saying that right now That makes me extremely uncomfortable And I think The more that you say that to people If you speak to them directly And say This is what's going to happen To that cow Every time you have a glass of milk That's what needs to happen more Just you saying that right now Makes me not want to drink milk anymore Think of it like this When you give money to the dairy industry You're donating to an animal charity But they're not an animal charity They just abuse animals for money But you wouldn't donate to a charity That you knew was abusing And killing animals for money And that's what the dairy industry is The thing is Your inconvenience to a lot of people Right now And I think you should continue doing it Because the more you talk about this stuff The more it makes people like me Uncomfortable with the way that we Will lead our lives I think you've got a big heart Compassionate person Easy to talk to You know what's right I just think If you I think Are there some tips on how to Make it easier to be better? These are how to These are some documentaries That you really need to like Learn about So you know what you're paying for You've got to know what you're paying for And then here's the... This should be on national TV Not something that you have to search for Or this should be in schools Because I genuinely believe What you're doing is a positive thing It's really good talking to you You're just lovely And I hope you use that big heart Put it into action