 One of the things that I think has always led to the Austrian tradition being so rich and vibrant was You know, you know, obviously back at in the universe first, you have Vienna You didn't you simply specialize in economists, you know, Misa studied law and he studied history study philosophy and the like that it is precisely the contributions that Austrian thought provides not simply to economics narrowly, but to political science As Ryan McMacon often argues to history to these other Social disciplines that you need all of them to really defend any of them that's simply defending things on purely economic grounds isn't enough particularly when the other side is able to You know, just kind of pitch their own very simplistic narrative We have to have our own pushback, you know against that and then that's why I think again that this liberty versus power Narrative is so important providing. That's that that that important lens, right? You know, when we think about Marxism, for example, it's it's his class theory Really is what has has I think kind of continued that tradition of no matter The failings of socialism in a practical realm. It's that that politics of envy that of you know The Poletariat versus the bourgeoisie that has now been kind of remade over in so many different ways You know cultural Marxism etc etc, but it's this constant oppressor versus oppressor oppressor versus the oppressed dynamic that continues to give fuel to his cause It is precisely what Rothbard does with his history that I think keeps This dynamic flame alive in this framework. So do you think that we need more historians more social scientists? Broadly to help kind of keep the Austrian tradition alive today They're keep it thriving today. Oh, yeah, absolutely. I think history Philosophy political science very important. I think we need more historians. I think history in particular at the supporter summit I when the book was released crony is when released I explained Yeah, I gave at least my case for why why someone in 2021 would profit from reading a book that ends in 1849 right so what's the what could someone learn and I explained well History provides lots of case studies of cronyism or of the free market or the quasi free market working History can all is also interesting. So it's it's easy to engage people economics can be very Theoretically abstract. Okay, then there's also, you know, again modern Modern political battles on the other side, you know, the other side is waging their various political battles using history We've seen this with the 1619 project and other things. So in order to Influence someone on current events such as on inflation people are looking back on the 1970s then again, you have someone Paul Krugman looking back on the inflation after World War two etc So in order to basically, you know, illuminate our perspective on the present. We have to look back at the past, okay? and then the last reason I gave is I think that I said, you know, there's light at the end of the tunnel. You had reform movements in the past But all of that was trying to emphasize the importance of history why we need Historians etc because this you know history is how we learn your average person They have an anti-capitalist pro interventionist bias because of The the various history classes they've they've taken right or they've slowly been ingrained with you know Of course, we all need to wear face masks because if we didn't wear face masks and the government didn't take care of our health Well, we still have rats falling into you know being made into sausages and and and you know People falling into vats that were turned into meat and all sorts of stuff like that. So that's very important history is a crucial discipline that needs to be Basically continue to defend this relates to something Rothbard had described as at various points in time as a science of liberty Might be more accurately described as Sciences sciences of liberty, but it was his way of describing the overarching Framework of libertarianism which not only included economic history also excuse me Not only included economic theory, but also included history economic history political science Sociology etc and showing how all of these disciplines kind of reinforce Each other in support this idea of a voluntary society that the free market Provides the great the greatest human flourishing as opposed to the government etc So it's important to realize that it's it's a unified Where it's a unified front so to speak you have to be moving on all the frontiers in order to really accomplish your objectives