 Welcome back. It's Tuesday and it's entrepreneurship Tuesday and it's it's been an awesome moment with Barry Moore alongside the guy that he had you know talking about the impact of devolution and right now I want us to shift gears for just a moment but before then of course you can check out on our Facebook page we have got a question for you and we are asking is waking up early or waking up late or rather sleeping late really helpful at all keep on sending your views of course through our channels of course of social media that is on Facebook that is Y254 and on Twitter at Y254 channel but before then I'm joined by a group of young men the clan arts Nice to be here so I just want you to use your mics I go by the name Ismail, my code name is Music A.E. My A.K.A is Music A.E. So what do you do in clan arts? Okay I do portraits and I customize clothes and shoes and I also paint on canvas Alright let's get to hear from Jerry, Jesse Just introduce yourself My name is Jesse Cut Williams A.K.A Trapper Trapp The first time I saw this guy he was like He doesn't even know how to work He's like Jesse Cut Williams He just said to me I'm a freak Alright, Joshua Alright so for you do piercing you do tattoo alright and that is Ismail Ismail Ismail Alright let's begin to do these guys for how long have you been doing this? I started drawing professionally in 2017 I joined clan arts this year in 2019 in February Alright so let me ask probably Joshua because I don't know his name I don't know his organization See me But I think we need to come here It's Jesse he mentioned something Jesse let's talk about the clan arts in general because before even allowing them to get now to specifically what they do and allow us to explain further What are the clan arts? Okay clan arts started on January 2nd So we were doing like construction like we got a shop up over here So generally we started that That's when we started Alright so it's January this year Yeah so we just came up together and we were like okay I do tattoos I still do arts Mizi does arts Does piercings and sly Sly actually does yeah paintings drawings and everything customizations and everything So we just came up together and we were like let's do this like as one So that's when like the clan arts was How did you meet you guys? Okay I knew Mizi from a friend Joshua we've been in high school together And I knew Sly from Yeah Alright Sly from now from Ishmine You know I'm gonna dread so probably high school mentally and I can't go that way That's the case He said it first then you said it first Yeah I mean like an Afro Alright so how many people are you in clan arts? Actually four So someone is missing? Sly Sly Alright I'm equal to know our stories in the neighborhood I have to know how to represent them Alright alright let's first of all talk about arts Which I believe is what now actually we are showcasing right now And I want to ask when you're doing arts What is the thing that probably you think and consider? First I consider the audience I have to impress the audience so that I can get clients My work has to be neat And I have to Every artwork should be better than the last one Wow Yeah So can a point of development and growth each and every time you find an art? Yes How do you keep the consistency of like doing something to perfection Or rather to that level if you like you can do something else Audience and even my colleagues will tell me if I did If I drew better than the last one I still have to put more effort So yeah Alright looking at some probably some of the reasons that you have done Especially like Kayu, Meshika, Apono, Sijinen and Ok, Sao Ok Sao Anyway like how long does it take for you to do such kind of a thing? It depends And it's probably an rough estimation before you even respond A rough estimation of how much it would cost For you to do all that art Maybe in person, I can't just say it on live TV Yeah For the people that you use and the pencils and the like Yeah Some people are different here Ok Yeah Some people who are willing to pay more than what I propose Some people don't have that money But I simply love what you guys are doing And it's quite amazing, especially look at how long it takes How long does it take for you to do your work? It depends on the amount of details Yeah And how busy I am Ok in terms of I can do other things Then This one I can take from maybe 6 hours to 10 hours To finish on this A3 size Ok as you give the mic to Jesse Before you even do that let me ask you Because you don't want to be busy Is there anything else you do rather than art? Yeah also paint I paint shoes and Alright so you also do shoes I paint shoes and clothes, denims, t-shirts So you also did these? Yeah Alright How did you even manage to put these here? I did a sketch then I just painted So initially it was a drawing? Yeah it was a picture actually Then I sketched on that denim jacket Then I painted Alright so from everything it's you From the jacket or just you bought the jacket then you Yeah I bought the jacket and I painted Alright so it comes along with the request of the client Client yeah But this one I painted for So that I can showcase something When people are asking I can show them As a sample Alright I simply love what you're doing It's so nice and amazing and I know even the rest of the team They just were like I love what you do man You can probably now talk to Jesse Who is your first and foremost? My first and foremost is Buru Buru And my second one is Opposite Aokom Okay first one Thank you very much First one to Gosawa Anyway is there anything else you do rather than art? Well I'm a DJ What else? Okay I'm a DJ but I'm a coffee Alright Yeah I'm part of a group called 200,000 Music Business Yeah from our head DJ Living Yaks to DJ Juni Other things I do I'm a breeder, a dog breeder Alright Yeah so I usually sell dogs and everything You sell dogs in the evening No I'm just asking what you say So you're still part of your business here Yeah Alright Actually the profits that I make when I'm selling dogs I actually just take them even to the shop Like when it comes to growing and everything Supplies and everything yes Alright that's so nice And like you probably work to me too Mike Because in a Kakubre kiasi Looking at it Jesse There's so much that you say you do How do you get to manage all these? Well How can I put this? I just manage Simple as that You know I'm cutting the stuff here too Yeah it's just like okay I can just plan myself It's all about planning Like I can do this one two three and four And at the end of the day I can like just Hit four birds with one stone Alright So you decided to hit four birds Each and every that you wake up So every time probably you wake up Can give us a rough idea of Like Okay so Ussiku is the time I go DJing and everything Right In the morning I go to the shop The Clannats and everything studio Yeah where I can do the tattoos Drawings and everything When it comes to the dog business I can handle it online Alright So we can talk about probably something we were mentioning Earlier on about the economy That is advancing on the technological ways You do technologically online Where it goes to online Alright let's talk to Joshua Mania Hapa So Joshua you do the piercing part of it And the tattoos? Piercing Piercing So he does the tattoos then you do the piercing That's what you do No no no Piercing Piercing Man I don't care anymore I don't care anymore So probably you can tell us How is the industry taking on? It is too fair It is a challenge It is a course about What are some of the challenges Probably you are too too Too many people Clients and I don't know I don't know I don't know Clients and I don't know Clients and I don't know Clients and I don't know Clients and I don't know Clients and I don't know Clients and I don't know At least I don't know I don't know So looking at How probably you guys work And you work as a team When looking at the clients that come How do you get to know like for instance These how we gonna handle this Don't you guys have Like why should you buy this It is too much fun Because he is on way of doing things Like I am only doing piercing He is doing tattoo so we can't Collect clients or anything So when he is come to arts We are arts drawing everything They know how to divide themselves All right When he comes to me Easy by day It is good to be here We both do arts We both do art Yeah we both do art and everything So When he comes to me I say that I am drawing I am not a fan of art But Jay Cosanna Jay Cosanna I am not a fan of art How do you do art I am not a fan of art I am not a fan of art I am not a fan of art All right How we gonna work this All right I see there is a box here Yeah What do you do with it I am not a fan of art As you are doing Let me talk to Ishmail Maniawe When you are talking about art We are saving people who are doing art Right now How would you say that art is being Accepted in Kenya For now it has improved Yes people don't appreciate art Mostly Kenyans Yeah So you just You can't lose hope You just have to keep going Because there are people who are Willing to pay more than What you charge All right so When you talk about people who are willing to pay even more than you charge As these kind of people Probably you are like You are like Yeah I charge people according to Not Not the dressing code How you come Even the body language can say If you have money or not All right So yeah I charge people according to Who you are So you think the industry is growing quite well Yeah it's growing People are starting to appreciate art But back to you Joshua It seems like there is so much in this box Yeah It's different It's different You have quite a different number of even earrings And piercing and all those stuff Yeah these are the earrings So It's in the tattoo guns So it's a piercing The gloss The mic for you So the gloss Even alcohol pad Lubrication for the earrings Okay After an ombre So it's said It's a needle As in when you are using it it's easy So you apply directly Yeah So the needles are different Different sizes Different Size actually And it depends on the ring Size of the ring For example These are tangling All right So you get like Thickness Don't have to me Needle big But the moment you know The difference is The needle is the same So a piercer and a client We buy a son So considering the size of the needle Yeah it's the most key point Plus even the stud is the most key point Because when you are using needle It starts in the door So the bleeding will be accessed actually So These are forceps We used to hold Some of the places like belly piercing It's Mostly belly piercing So I'm using forceps I'm using a tip Tip So a tip These are tube receiver Mostly Nose, mask In places like that It's easy to pierce and plus It's a help piercer All right So this is the needle It's mostly a needle Needle to pierce All right So it's a needle You need to clean it Because it's a needle So To not to pierce To not to pierce it All right Mostly they place some pierce You need to clean it For everything it's easy actually Using these ones So once you pierce You need to clean it up Actually I use sea salt A mixture of sea salt and warm water That's all All right The alcohol pad is for actually Cleaning before piercing This is now used for Because you can just open This is actually for cleaning before piercing I clean the place before I pierce All right Just for cleaning and just to ensure that all the Yeah exactly So let me ask about the sizes of the needle As you mentioned We have different sizes Do you define them or rather how If by chance I came to you as a client And I don't know the sizes that I want If someone probably is watching and is like What kind of sizes do you have Actually I look where I am piercing Because I get Sometimes someone Mostly these parts Of the ear Yeah Different What's so different To be there Different So if you are a client And you are a customer There are places where you can pierce There are places where you can pierce So when you pierce You need to help them To guide them How it goes When you are in a change place Different You need to learn how to pierce All right you have mentioned something about Considering whether or not You need to pierce What are some of the things that you consider When saying whether or not you can pierce The size When you pierce You need to know the size And you need to know the size You need to know the size So you need to convert to reality Because if I pierce Mostly You need to know the size When you pierce You need to know the size When you pierce You need to know That you need to know When you are in a change place You need to know the size And you need to know the size When you pierce You need to know the size And you need to know the size When you pierce You need to know the size I am laughing at the way you are engaging But I have a simple question for you I am saying So you don't want to mess up with your job? No, it's easier. I'm compassionate and I don't want to mess up. My job is to pay for it. I pay for it. I have access to it. You pay for it? Yes. Healing, healing, it depends. Okay. Because I've seen people who have had probably, it may not be the better way, but let me just say, because you pay us, I've seen people oftentimes say I'm a PSU or on the ear already, any other part. Then oftentimes you know, but I like phrasing the ear, I'm full of sound. It's healing. You know, if you have an instruction, you can go and get it. There's no place for a PS, exactly. Or when you get the ring, the ring isn't fake. Right. So you have to stay less, you have to be more effective. So you also ask those questions if you have an allergy or something to do with it, you can just start paying that to me. Alright. Amazing. Let me ask, probably as we go to Jesse, talking about the ear, the nose, and probably the embryo we call when you're not going to copy us, the difference is in terms of, as you said, in terms of the ear and the like, is there any difference when you say it's fake or fake? Yes, it's fake. Mostly it's fake. Mostly it's fake design. Because if you have a nose ring, it's a loop. And the same loop, it's not fake. So when you say it's fake, it's not the thickness, it's the ring, the body, and the nose ring. And go forward with it. Alright. Okay, many thanks for that. Probably I don't know whether we need to talk now. We can hold on to the mic. I think now we need to talk to Jesse himself. And I know Jesse is like, I'm not going to talk to you because I'm a son. I'm a son. So Jesse explained to us how you do the tattoos and like. Okay. It's okay. Let's just talk to him. Okay. Basically, this is the tattoo machine. Most people know it as the tattoo gun. Yeah, this is a coil. It's a coil machine. So what happens is... You said it's called a coil machine? A coil. Yeah. A coil machine. There's a rotary. But this one is a coil one. Okay. The difference is the rotary one doesn't make noise. This one is the one that makes noise. You can even hear it. Noise. Right. So what happens is the needle passes through here. And then the contact screw and the amachoba. This is called an amachoba. When you connect it to the... You can't get it to the mic. It's a phone. So... This is the machine. This is the monitor, actually. So what happens? I'm going to demonstrate it. Oh yeah. So this is the needle. Kamayake. Here, needles are different sizes and everything. This is a liner. What happens is one of these in gear up. Then when you connect it to the monitor and steam it and everything it goes up and down. So it uses electricity? Yeah. It goes up and down. Design here. Let me just show you. Dog. So this is the needle? Yeah. So what happens? It just opens this. Alright. Then you carefully just put it in. This is being a technicality. Okay. This is a tip. Unfortunately, too much kua tip on by. So what happens is the needle in a kua tip and then it sticks onto here with the... It's called a nipple, actually. It's called a nipple. You just put it here and then the amateur bug goes up and down. Like upwards and downwards. And you can like when it's on gets a rate you are speeding in and out. So what happens is the needle goes like this. But it goes so fast. Design like you cannot even see like moving and everything. So you just pass it on. Let's say you have your stencil on. You pass it on the skin. Just on top. Alright. In a very, very, very slow motion. Like you shouldn't be going faster than everything. What was the speed of the needle in movement? It's actually 9... I usually use 9.2. Right. Yeah. So just pass it on on the skin and everything in a very slow motion. Okay. You can go fast. Depends on the scale of the tattoo artist and everything. So basically that's it. Alright. I'm prompted to ask this question. How long does a tattoo or just a common tattoo need to take for you to be done as the one who is doing that? The simplest. Like let's say a name can go to up to like let's say 10 minutes to 20 minutes. If it's a very huge tattoo let's say a Taiwan. Taiwan that could be like 7 hours. Yeah. Alright. If problems come, it's just a normal art. But what do you feel like how we feel in such a case? Okay. As an artist, I just sit down with you. We can have a conversation like two normal people like, hey we can do this. You can tell me your idea and I can put it into consideration and everything. So so Alright. There have been cases in the past that Illuminati is somehow affiliated you know, I don't know. What's your take about that? The right of passage So, Is this it? As is the right of passage. But to me it's but actually all my tattoos have a meaning in everything. It's a way of expressing myself. So most people wear it for beauty. Other people wear it for maybe how can I put this? Maybe there's something that has happened in his house or their life and everything. But mine personally it's for expressing myself. Like I can just sit down and one day I'm going to like be telling stories to my kids and everything. Yeah. Has there been a time when your client comes and says like, I wish I never did this tattoo? Well, Nikyanza. I remember I did one I was on a tie. I was like, actually this. Yeah, I can text. I can text. Some people say, I don't have a tattoo. But I can say, I don't have a tattoo. I did that tattoo. And from henceforth I started doing it on myself because I don't have a tattoo. So I can practice my tie and everything. So your body was now the part of doing the practice? Yeah. So much as a tattoo. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Laser, actually. But I don't do it. You don't do it? Yeah. But I have friends who do it. Why would you prefer to change this tattoo actually do that? So when someone comes with a very bad tattoo, we can change it into another one. So I just sit down with my creativeness, and then... Okay. Now, let's talk about the issue of, like, in a way, like, humbly, please, like, like, is it possible? And there are those guys who are like, by the way, and you're like, okay, actually, there's one. I look at her. She's like a stencil. And she's like, okay, okay. Wow. There's no going back. It should happen. It should happen. It may happen, it may happen. And I'm like, I asked. So, basically, it's not my fault. So what came to you, Kafil, by then, to be doing tattoos? Is it a portion or something? Wait. Okay. Elian's a cure for me, too. Okay. Yeah. Actually, um, I don't have a tattoo. I say, Nabyro. Um, really, I don't have a tattoo. Oh, that's cool, mate. I don't have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo. I don't have a tattoo. You know what happened? They were saying, I'll get a tattoo on that day like, hey, wait, I'll get a tattoo on that day. Yeah. Yeah. Because I got a tattoo. In a round, by by sign, so there's a day I have an injury out of school and everything. There was a tattoo shop nearby. I went to the tattoo shop and I just fell in love with the art and everything. I'm like, okay, I want to do this. So I went for my first tattoo on a personal account, someone did that for you. I was still informed too. How was the school response? What was the school response? Because I'm like, Yanyi Shule, you know? Look at her. Okay. Who are you calling a tattoo? Joshua? I'm in the middle and in the middle. So they remember that. So after the tattoo was done, then you went to Joshua to practice? Zee. Actually, that was still informed too. Alright, can you use your mic? I see Kwan and Fanya tattoos at that time. Actually, my grandmother, she's the one who bought my first tattoo kit. Your grandmother? Yeah. Support from grandma? Yeah. Okay. So, I started like, after, like as soon as I finished Nilean's tattooing, like that was in 2015. Yeah. So, yeah. From 2 Nilekotusas and 2 Nileangotusas. Right, right. Was it not painful for you? How many Nilekotusas have you done on Nilean? Okay, I think it's... Okay, I'm going to go honestly. Now your assumption is that if you want to do it, it's painful for you. Actually, even someone who does it... When you want to do it, it's painful. When you want to do it, it's painful for you. When you want to do it. Exactly. When you want to do it. On an honest basis. I'm considering whether you should have one. It depends on you. There are places like that, very painful, like Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Which part of Ngo? Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Ngo. Okay. When you want to do it, you should have one. Hey, guys. Before you do it. Why? When you want to do it. Okay. I'm not stupid. What do you think? There are places like that where the camp and the place are explicit. So, I'm going to say one or two. High five. I'm not going to say I'm compensating. Mental damage. Okay. Let's talk now to Ishmand. Ishmand, I know you have been a bit silent for this because they've been talking about what exactly they do. Now, let's dwell on art and the drawings that you do. You use pencils and pens, or what do you use? I use graphite pencils and colored pencils and also paint. I use paint. Alright. I don't use ink, I use water, I use bright. What does it usually do? I blend the pencil using a tissue paper or a blending stump. It depends on the client whether they use ink or not. Because the goal is customer satisfaction. So, as a group probability, what's your biggest aim when you're doing art? Artists. Across the world. We're looking for it to be one of the most renowned. Yeah. Because of time, we need to end up. But before that, I want us to look on your Instagram page. So much that you guys have been doing. Let's have a look at some of the things that you've been doing. There are portraits, of course. There are piercings, there are blues. There are tiny tattoos. These are some of the things that you do. Okay. Alright. Let's keep scrolling. Looking at these, the tattoo on the far, the tattoo right there. Here, you're taking how long? Yes, that one. Just one hour. And the one on the bottom side. Seven hours. What's usually the measure of the time? What's the difference between the time that it will take? What is the mic? It depends on the size. Actually, the size is always... If it's big, it will take two hours. Obviously, it will take two hours. When it takes two hours, it will take two hours. Obviously, it will take two hours. It will take like 20 minutes. 20 minutes. The service is now with the expertise and experience in Ukonai. Exactly. What do you do? What painting? I also do all paintings. Unless the clients come out. Come out. So, let's talk about the shoes. Just a minute. The shoes and the painting. How do you get to do all these? I first do a simple sketch with a pencil. Then, I apply the paint. So, you just do a sketch? Sketch is the most important thing. Yeah. How long does this take to finish? Two to three hours. Each pair or... each shoe or papaya? Papaya. I love what you guys are doing. So, on pre-sumption, I'm not saying two. The estimation amount. A thousand shillings. A dollar. One thousand shillings. You mean a dollar? One. Just a hundred. Ten dollars. Ten dollars. That's a thousand. All right. Any type of shoe. It depends on the client. Okay. So, let's keep scrolling and check more on what you guys have been doing. All right. What you guys have been doing has been really so nice. It's something that probably is of good concern. I don't know what you guys are doing. I'm just trying to figure it out. What do you guys have on the slide? Let's just hold on to the mic. Slide on the slide. Yeah. So, slide does also art. So, they are the three of them. So, they want outstanding new wear. No competitor. Yeah? All right, guys. We are running out of time and we need to call it a date. So, we can allow Barry Moses to come in. Masit has been really nice to have you. Joshua, Jesse. Thank you. I hope you enjoyed the show. All right. My name is Garanja Alex. Many thanks for keeping it. And before we go, I have a question for each and every one of you. Between waking up early and sleeping late and waking up early, which of the two benefits you? Yeah. And what are the benefits? We know there are some of you who have been to the Isogids. There are some of you who are going for higher. So, we are going to talk about some of you who have been to Calais and the two who have been to school and we know there are some of you who are going to be working in the morning. The clients that are going to work in the morning will be at the same place at 7 p.m. So, we are going to talk about the benefits. Okay. Let me hear from you. Jesse. Waking up early. Why? I'm a morning person. Morning person, to do what exactly? Those four things I've just told you. Alright, let's hear from Ishwari. I sleep late. You sleep late. Drawing, yeah. I draw at night because at that time, where the world is quiet, it's calm, yeah. Okay, many thanks guys. Thanks very much for your response. That has been it. We call it a day for now. We call it a time for now because Barry Moss is still coming up next with another interview. Don't go anywhere. This is why 254. Cheers, cheers. Thanks very much guys. I much appreciate it. And big up on your staff. Thanks very much for coming. Peace.