 Run it up, do run it back, run it up, do run it back, run it up, run it back. Good morning everybody. I am your very, very temporary host, Chandler Parsons. Choms, it worked out baby, look how I'm introduced to my panel today. Stadium Insider, Choms Chironia, where are you at, Choms? Looks very fancy today. I'm in Chicago, I'm at an undisclosed location doing a shoot today. So let's see how today goes. We got three-time six-man of the year, Lou Will from ATL. And eight-time all-star newly nominated Hall of Fame, Ben's Carter, who just showed me videos of his six-year-old son who golf swing looks much better than mine already. Hey, well, let's back up, newly nominated. You know something I don't know? Oh yeah, it's coming, Coach. First ballot baby. Appreciate it. Throw it out there, keep throwing it. Keep throwing it, keep throwing it. Yeah, sir. This is the last night we had some games. This is the shoe win. We're going to start with the Grizzlies, Helikens. John Moran was back. He was back in a big, big way. It's game winner return. Six pelicans, 115-113. Jared Jackson throws it in 24, 6-3. Man, this team looked completely different last night, Lou. Have to start with Jaws. Game winner, give me your thoughts as you saw this play unfold. Got to give Jaws credit, man. He looked good. He looked good coming back off a 25-game suspension, not being able to play basketball the last two and a half to three months for this to be his first time out, man. He looked well or looked like he's been playing basketball, and he was excited to be out there. You know, we also got another thing. He hadn't played in 25 games. He had fresh legs, you know, and that's going to be good for the Grizzlies moving forward. But man, he looked great. Give him credit. And, you know, I tell you, we all know when you miss a couple of games, one or two games, how gas you could be. And obviously he was overly excited, but he was able to settle in and still be himself. He didn't do too much, but understood it was still his team. And it was just great to see the love from his team because you know, I think it's showing them love. They're like, man, we got our guy back. Now we can hit the ground running. And you know what? I think they're going to make some noise. And they may knock on the door and catch some teams and possibly have the chance to get in to the playing tournament. You know, the only thing I'm worried about with that event, my bad chance. You know, the only thing I'm worried about it, they dug themselves such a hole at this point. I agree. You know, and you got, you got, yeah, you got Golden State still kicking. You got other other teams that still Phoenix at the bottom of the stand is that, you know, Phoenix is still Phoenix is still right there. And obviously those are teams that are going to give themselves an opportunity. They're going to turn that light switch on. So I just think that deficit is just so deep at this point for him. I think it's still a wash. Well, all I'll say, I'm just saying they're going to give themselves a chance because you're right. They're going to have to play perfect basketball. They're going to have to stay healthy. They're going to have to get some of their guys back. And to me, triple J is going to have to stay out of foul trouble. There's this entire run for the rest of the season because he's so important to what they do as far as blocking shots and running. So yeah, I agree. I just think he'll give them a chance in a breath of life. I think him back will give them a breath of life. I'm not saying they will get in, but you know, I like what he brought game one. And we also know Stephen Adams is out for the rest of the year. But like, like Ben said, when they get Lou Kinar back, they get Brandon Clark back. This is totally Marcus Smart. They have pieces where they can kind of make that push because they're not that far behind. But watching John play last night, I was excited to see what kind of energy he played with, right? What was his cardio? Because as players, as Hoopers, we know you can't emulate game speed. You can play 5-0-5. You can practice, but you can tell he was winded. So VC, what was the most impressive part of his comeback last night? Well, one, you knew he was going to come out here to show us, oh, y'all must have forgot, you know, who I am and what I bring to the table for one. But what was impressive to me is that, yes, he was winded, but he didn't get out of character. He let the game come to him. I mean, as a starter, in my opinion, or a guy who's a go-to guy, it's easy to kind of play your way back into it, or it's easy to kind of just, I don't want to use the word coach, but it's the play back into the flow because you're going to have the ball in your hands, particularly someone like him. So, yes, I mean, I knew he paced himself and you could tell that he was in second gear, I mean, in full gear in the second half. Yeah, and obviously he didn't hit a three. He turned the ball over five times. But as far as the first game back after eight months away, I don't know much. And he was attacking, still athletic, everything. The dude is a acrobat. And coming off the floor last night, you hear him screaming, I kept receipts too. Explain to the people what exactly, what does that mean, who's he talking to? He probably talked to me included because I still don't think this team make the playoffs with the hold that they've dug themselves. And so I'm sure he's keeping count of people that has made comments, people that have said things about the success of this basketball team moving forward since he's been gone. And now that he's back, a lot of people that had their personal opinions about the trouble that he's gotten into and the position that he's put himself in. And so, he's excited to be back on the floor and he kept his receipts. He gone right down everything that everybody said about him. He's gonna try to prove him wrong. And as he should, as he should, but he has to understand, yes, he made the mistakes. We're gonna go to talk about it. But at the same time, we understand the talent and where he deserves to be as far as the echelon of superstar players. He deserves to be there and we just want to continue to see him get back to that. It was more so job. Because of your talent, we want you to not make these mistakes off the court to keep you from being in the limelight doing what you're doing more so than anything. And he, yeah, as he should keep receipts and he showed us like, this is what y'all were talking about where here I am. Yeah, and also this was never about his production on the floor. Everyone knows he's a star. Everyone knows he's must-see TV. So this was more, I think this was great. This was time for him to get away to find himself, to mature as a man and as a better person off the floor. This had nothing to do with his talent or people being fans of his games. But Shams, explain what was this process for him just to even get back to the floor last night? Chandler, he hasn't played in eight months like he said last night. So this was a process over the last couple of months. He had to ramp up. He went gradually one-on-ones, two-on-two, three-on-three. You guys have all played. You know how those ramp-ups go. And it wasn't just a straight-line, linear process for him. There were ups and downs. There were times where he had to, you know, he had soreness in his knee. He had issues, ailments that did come up during the process. And I think overall for the Grizzlies, it was making sure that he was going to be right when it mattered most. And that meant for his comeback. But I think, you know, there were times where he dealt with some issues, some ailments. And he had to go all the way back to the alter G. And there were different points in his rehab where he had to really start from scratch. But you look at the condition he came in last night. He looked like he was in peak shape. Luce said it. He had fresh legs. And this is a guy I watched last night. He's a superstar. The whole dynamic around this entire team, team changed when he got back on the floor last night. He has the ability. He's not just a star. He's not just the guy that's on the cusp of being a star. He's a flat-out superstar. He can change their entire season. Yeah, V.C., we talk about all your long, kind of the rise of the point guard position. We talk about new guys, Tyrese Halliburton, Jalen Brunson, you know, Tyrese Maxi. When you see John Morant in the form last night, outside of Steph Curry, are you taking any of those cats over him? Nah, nope. Nah, I think John is a special talent. He has everything. He's worked extremely hard on his game. When we talked about his, you know, can he make guys better? Can he shoot the three? Can he answer the bell? I think Tyrese Halliburton is right there in the conversation. But when you talk about Steph Curry, and then you must talk about John Morant right after that. Yeah, maybe an all-star, you know. Yeah, how fast we forget, man. After a 25-game suspension, for him to come back, make a splash like that and let everybody know I'm still here. I'm still him. I'm one of the top guards in this league. And so that was a great reintroduction. I'm excited to see what happens. And we keep talking about it. This is him fresh off the suspension. No real legs yet, not making down jump or so. So when that evolves, it's only going to go up from here. Shams, we know we got job back. When can we expect Marcus Smart back in the lineup? Marcus Smart will be returning in the lineup, I'm told, either Thursday in their game against the Pacers at home or Saturday in Atlanta. He's been out since November 14th. He's had a foot sprain. He's been a key part. And a big reason why they acquired him in that trade with the Sellings was to pair him and John Morant in the backcourt. We have not seen it yet. But the hope is that Thursday or Saturday, Marcus Smart will be back in the lineup after missing a month. And this is what Grizzlies are trying to get back healthy. Now they have job back. They're about to get Marcus Smart back. And you can see the makings of a team that has a chance, at least in the playing tournament or like one of the late playoff seats. I know the other stuff about it. Hey, real quick, I got a question. Can John Morant be an All-Star? And if so, who does he take out? I mean, I don't think he's too late in the game now. That's, I'm just asking you. I mean, if you play in lights out, like, would they dare, you know? I think V.C., we did a sample size. And you look at the West, it's Steph, Luca, and then, I mean, Kairi's there in Dallas. I don't know, but does he reach the minimum of games if he plays every single game to qualify? I mean, if he's voted in as an All-Star by the fans and the coaches, like there's a way that he can make the All-Star team for sure. But anytime you miss the first 25 games of the season, I mean, how many games are left before All-Star break? You're looking at 15 games, 20 games left. So, you know, missing the majority of the time, his back's against the wall for an All-Star bit. But, I mean, listen, he's a flat-out superstar. So will fans vote for him? I don't think there's a question. Does it count? Do you have to have so many games? Yeah, Shoms, isn't there another way that there has to be a minimum? All-Star is not by games. Yeah. Wow. Well, on the other side, not so pretty. Pelicans blow a huge lead. Zion, another dud, scored 15 points or fewer and five of his last eight games. How concerned, Lou, are you with Zion's performance if you're the Pelicans? I got to be honest. I'm not concerned at all. I'm not really keying in on his scoring abilities. I'm not really worried about him going out and getting 15 or 20 points a game. The only concern I would have is four rebounds is not enough for Zion. He got to put pressure on the offensive glass. He got to make sure that teams are getting one shot at the rim on a defensive end. And he has to be an anchor at that rim. And on both sides, his presence has to be felt when it comes to rebounding, when it comes to defense. Other than that, I like C.J. McCollum taking 20 shots a game for me at night. I like Brandon Ingram being my number one primary scorer on that basketball team. And then you still got J.V., who's also a scoring big, who can put his back to the basket and go get you a bucket. So I'm not concerned with him not scoring the basketball. I'm more concerned with him having 13 points, three rebounds to go with it. You can't be that big and can't be that dominant of a basketball player at that size and at that stature to only get three rebounds a game. He got to be a double-digit rebounder for me. That's the concern that I have. And I think, Lou, that comes with, I agree with you on that aspect of it. That means staying engaged in the moment. And I feel like because he's gifted and can be dominant offensively, I think that's where we want more from him offensively, which will create more shots for B.I. and C.J., because of his aggressiveness and getting to the basket. And everybody else will eat off of that. And we've seen when he's in that mode, everybody still plays well. But like I say, I think he loses his aggressiveness where maybe he's not hitting shots of close, foul, trouble, or whatever the case may be. Because I agree four rebounds with you as athletic and dominant as you are is unacceptable because they need you as a closer. And when I say closer, closer doesn't always have to mean putting the ball in the basket. But if you're aggressive, like, he's able to make the right plays to guys to give them open shots as well. And we're not seeing that right now. Because you see, you know what that does? Two or three offensive rebounds put back, put back maybe an A and one. There's your 20 right there. There's your 20 points that everybody wants to see right there. So like you said, he has to be more engaged on the glass. He got to be more engaged every single possession and his athletic abilities, they have to be filled at this rate is not filled. And I think that's why we feel like these games are duds because we're going lapses where we just not fill in his presence. And we call him a superstar. We call him a superstar and we want to put him up there with some of the greats. Well, some of the greats impact the game for 48 minutes. We just want to see it more often. We want to see it more consistent. And most importantly, we want to see this dude healthy because he is electric. Moving on to the second game of the TNT last night was a real doozy Steph Curry. Highlands is 1-32 to 1-26. Steph Curry 3-3-6-3. Clay Thompson rose at 24 points. Lew, Steph, Pete Steph last night hits it with the baby. I thought a little prematurely. I thought there was a little too much time there. A lot of people are getting off the Warriors. They're getting off Steph. What this kid is doing, right? Yeah. Listen, any team that has Steph Curry is going to be a dangerous team until it's all said and done. And that's proven last night. We're all pros. Sometimes when teams are going through lapses where they're not playing as well, they can be the top team because they're talented enough and you have a former MVP at the helm of that. And so Steph Curry turned into the chef, put them to sleep, chef, and make them play hard. And so this is another reason why I feel like it's going to be an upward climb for Memphis. They got to go through this. They got to go get through this team at sitting at 13 and 14 on a season. And they're going to keep climbing. This is a team that we've known to be resilient. We've known this team to turn it on and have the capabilities of winning eight to 10 games in a row. And so I like their chances of fighting and getting the playing spot better than anybody else. And that's that main reason is because of Steph Curry. And Lou, we talk about everybody and they included here that talks about what they can't do, what they haven't been doing. Clay, obviously, does he still have it? Can he still shoot the ball? Steph, is he a leader? He needs to be a vocal leader. I played with Jason Kidd who wasn't really a vocal leader, but he led by example. And when he had something to say, he said it. Same thing with Steve Nash. They led by example. Well, that's leading by example. Steph going to show up every night. He's going to go hard. He's going to play hard. And you can see the aggressiveness and he's going out there to prove something. Well, first of all, you knew he wasn't going to go another game without making a three point shot and particularly in this big, big game you know, on national television. He's just going out there to show the world and I thought Clay the same thing. I mean, Clay came out aggressive like fire just to show people and you know, shout out to Clay. I got to give Clay his props. He passed me on the all time three point list. So I ain't no hater. I know. By the way, Lou, this is one of the teams that the Grizzlies will eventually have to jump to make that run everyone's talking about. So not too easy. But V.C. And that's why I feel like it's tough, C.P. Right. We earlier in the game, we saw Jalen Brown hit Steph with a little too small to pat Bev. Bad idea. V.C. to poke the bear. I mean, this is the game now. And you know, you do what you do. You got, oh man, he said too, too small. But like when you do that, you don't have to live with it and Steph didn't forget. He kept receipts. I'm gonna get that opportunity over time and I'm gonna put you all the way to sleep when I'm too small. Shoms, obviously we're seeing a younger Warriors team. We're seeing some different rotations, different lineups. What did this win represent to you? It's a sign of a new era and I think Steph and Kerry Clay Thompson, we know these guys are mainstays. They're not going anywhere. Drew Montgomery, once he's back, he's not going anywhere. Chris Paul, Darryl Sars, they're gonna have support roles as well. But last night, Trace Jackson Davis, Jonathan Kominga down the stretch, the amount that they played, the amount the Warriors relied on them. Steve Kerr has wanted to give his veteran players. We were talking about in the studio last week. He's wanted Andrew Wiggins. He's wanted all his veteran players to get as much opportunity as possible. He's relied on them. And now he's finally going with his young guys and from everything I'm told in that organization, they want to see Steve Kerr continue to trust Jonathan Kominga, trust Trace Jackson Davis. These guys have the ability to really impact the game athletically for the Warriors. And like VC just said, we have to give Clay Thompson a lot of credit. You think about his last four games ever since that game in Phoenix where there was a lot of critique about him. He's averaged 27 points a game, four rebounds a game, 51% from three-point range. He's hitting six three-pointers a game over the last four games. The Warriors are three-in-one. He turned down a two-year, 48 million dollar extension from what I'm told before the season. He bet on himself. He's playing the year out. The Warriors are playing the year out. There's gonna be a lot of interest in him around the league, but you know he wants to be in the Bay. The Warriors will always want him. And the last three games, four games, him and Steph are making 10 three-pointers a game. If this continues, even without Jamal Green, the Warriors can at least tread water. Fellas, can a comeback win like this over a team that everybody has is a contender, one of the better teams in the NBA give you that much more of a boost to propel you to kind of start believing in yourself and believing in everything you're practicing and preaching? Go ahead, Luke. You know what? I gotta be honest. I don't think this team needs added motivation. I think they're ready to go. That win right there alone is gonna propel them to get to where they need to go. And like you said, with Draymond being out, with so much talk around this basketball team that has nothing to do with basketball, I think they're ready to lock back in, settle back in and get everything back on track. And so this is a great start for them. Steph Curry with Steph Curry, it felt good to see Clay Thompson make shots and be that secondary guy that he's always been throughout the course of his career. So I'm curious to see what happens in the future moving forward with this group. And I was gonna say, I don't think it matters to the veterans, the guys who's been there, who's been in situations like this more so than it means to Kaminga, Trace Jackson, all that moody, those guys like that, because this is the opportunity. And we talked about Steve Curry playing these young guys. And for me, I've been, this has been my gripe for years and years and years when coaches, you play the young guys sparingly, but then you get to big games or playoff moments or situations where some of your superstar players are out. And then you look down the bench and you, the coach don't have the confidence in playing these young guys and the young guy doesn't have the confidence to be out there or feel comfortable out there. So you got to play these guys to get them the experience they need. Obviously the best experience is on the court. So put these guys in situations where they are challenged, where they are tested, where they learn because when you get to the playoffs and you may need these guys, they feel comfortable and you, the coach feel comfortable putting them out there. So I think this is huge for the young guys of the Golden State Warriors, more so than the vets. And VC on the other side, Boston Celtics, tough road loss. They missed 41 threes last night. Something to be concerned of or just flush it and keep it moving. I mean, it's obviously something to be aware of. I don't know about concern, it's something to be aware of. This is, this was, this, I mean, this is familiar territory. These guys have played each other. This is the battle. It's almost like a mini rivalry. I'm not saying it's like they're all out rivalry, but they have something with each other. So I knew it was going to be a close game, but when you have a Golden State Warriors team on the ropes, you got to put them away. You got to put them away. And I know Tatum, he played 40 minutes and he tweaked his ankle and so on and so forth, but they got to find ways to win. I thought Al Horford looked pretty darn good last night as well. All right. We got to say goodbye to Shams Karaniya. But coming up next, we're going to the show Jamal Crawford. Run it over. Yes, sir. Welcome back to the show. Jamal Crawford three times six. Man of the year. How we doing? Great. What's up, bro? All good. I'm gonna need to. Come on. I'll stop that. Come on. I'll stop this. Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame. I'm not doing this with you. I'm not. This is the best quarter class. Everybody else's props. This is the best quarter class. J.C., we talked about it. Both of y'all first ballot. Right. You both are. And then you know you're next. J.C., we talked about it. John Morant back last night after 25 game suspension in a big, big way. What are your expectations for him kind of going forward for the rest of this season? He's bringing life into not only his team, but to the city. You know what I'm saying? And that's the thing. Like, J.C., he wasn't technically hurt. So you still work out. He can still play. And then he's not coming back for a role. They ain't like, oh, you got to come back. We got our star and you got to fit in like now. You come back to be J.C. You come back to be him. And he did that last night. I was happy for him because J.C. is a great young man. I want to say, he's a great young man. So everybody goes to the adversity. So with that, to him come back to make that statement on mom's birthday, like, come back and set the city on fire. He did the game winner on mom's birthday. First game back. First game winner. Yeah, first game winner. And last night you see at the time out, he was asking the guy, should we give the ball to Triple J in the post? How should we handle this closer game? He obviously missed some time. It's still obviously his team. He's the face of the franchise, face of the league moving forward. Oh, absolutely. No doubt about it. And we'll make some special. It's his mind and how it works. I always say when I first saw him, I'm like, damn, he's a combination between D-Rolls and C-P, like the way he thinks the game with that athleticism. So just seeing him back, obviously being a selfish saying, you know what, we can go to Triple J, I ain't tripping. But they're like, nah, it's the 12th, then you back, bro. So and then deliver. You know what I mean? I think that gives confidence to everybody. Absolutely. Big win for the Warriors last night. Dray mine out with a suspension, of course. What should take on a suspension? And do you feel like the league got this right? I think they got it right because when I first saw him, definitely I was scared to be honest. I'm like, damn, he's gonna be out of wow. But then I started looking at it definitely again and seeing the steps they took. I'm like, oh, and definitely for them just means care that they care about him as a person. They care about him, his future. It's like, not just in the league, out the league. We all hear horror stories when guys go out the league and they don't have the structure and you know, how things could go. And Dray mine is a good dude. He's, I know him personally. You guys know him personally. He's fiery and at times, you know, we've seen it work against them. So they got it right with the suspension, but I think they got it more right with getting the true help that maybe needed. Jamal, if you're on his team, you're in that locker room. If any, what, if anything, do you tell him after this, you know, last incident? Yeah, I'll just tell him, just remember, you know, that young kids out there look up to him, you know, that he has a family and young kids of his own. And just take a second to think about it because you don't want him to lose that fire. That's what makes him who he is. But I also don't want this to be what he's remembered by for his legacy. Like Dray mine is a Hall of Famer, a four-time champion. Like they need to remember you for that. One of the best defensive players ever, one of the best teammates ever. Like Dray mine has been so good over the years, being a point forward that's allowed Steph to have the freedom he has. It's allowed Clay to have that freedom. He's been the hardest soul. He's a thinker for the team. So I want him to be remembered that way and not by the incidents that's happened. How does team is currently built? You think they can win another championship? I'm not sure they could win a championship but I didn't think they could win that last one. You know, when they went through Dallas and they're Boston either. So you can't really count them out. Whenever you got Steph, you got a chance. And Steph is, it's weird because as you guys know, VCs is one of the greatest of all time. You're one of the greatest of all time. Chandler is cold as ice. Like as you guys know, nobody wants to have those games if you doubt it because somehow you're going to find a way to come back. And within that, Steph has that inner drive. You know what I'm saying? He has that inner drive and that's what's even more impressive. Like he's accomplished everything. He's done everything but to still have that drive at 35 years old to still say, let's do this. Let's go for one single game. I'm not counting on somebody like that. I feel that. I stay in the West with you. The Clippers have figured it out. Eight in a row. You know, that's my gang. That's my side right there. But those guys are playing great. You think they can come out of, you think they can put it together and come out of the West? They got a chance. And when you have that much talent and they're willing to sacrifice and they kind of figure out their roles, I feel like no matter when Kawhi is healthy and you know better than me, you play it with him. When Kawhi is healthy, everything kind of has to go through him. Like he's going to take us where we got to go and then we play around that. And he's not only healthy, he's engaged. You can see the bounce in his step when he's running. He's more like showing more emotion this year. Like he's more excited. Like, you know, a contract years do that to everybody, right? But just the fact that him being healthy and being like, you know, I'm here, I think they got a chance because when the game slows down, that's when he's at his best. Absolutely. It's good to see him engaged. Like you said, because sometimes during games you can see him. He's kind of stuck in his ways. He want that ball on that mid post kind of slow the game down. He's methodical in his attacks. But how this team is built, they got to play a faster pace. They got to play a faster pace game. And so he's adjusted his game to that and it's been working for them. So I give him credit for that. So with the Clippers rolling, how the Lakers are playing? Who's the best team in LA right now? Right now I'm going Clippers for sure. It's just they figured out who they are. Like, like you said, James has brought a new balance and it's like, you played with both of those. You played all three. Did you play a rush too, Lou? I played with a... I played... No, that's the only one I didn't play with. That's the only one you're gonna play with. So, I mean, the fact that they're playing the way they're playing, they're willing to sacrifice. James brings a different swagger. PG's rolling. Kawhi, obviously, that we talked about. And then Russ, let's talk about Russ. Because like, how he was portrayed at LA, the LA Lakers, like all this dude was a cancel in the locker room. He's one of the most giving teammates I've ever heard about. I never played with him. It's just what I heard. And I know him as a person. And for him to say, you know what? This isn't working on fours. I'll come off the bench and sacrifice tells what kind of person he is. So I think that move needs to be more applauded because that move could be what saved their season and saved and got them on track by him going to the bench. I think it definitely showed his growth, Russ's growth for sure as a man and as a player for sure. But I want to ask you this, you know, Mack McClung was invited back to the dunk contest to defend his title. You were there. What were you most impressed about his performance that night? That every dunk got better and he didn't miss any of them. You know, it is like when you dunk and you didn't miss any of them. It's different when we see it for the first time and it's completed and seeing it for the eighth time and you finally got it right. Right? It's like, no, I ain't it. He completed every single dunk. The only problem was Mel man. Mel man was black hand. He wasn't giving nobody no love. So we had to go higher or something. Everybody else just balanced things out. But no, it was fun to do that for sure. I can check it off the bucket list. And I'm going to follow up with you on that. So if you could pick anyone, current players, because you know, you get wow when I ask these type of questions. But if you could pick anyone, who would you want to see him compete against in the dunk contest? This coming all-star game. You notice how our precious current player. Yeah, you know, I was going with it. I was going to cross him, but any single person that's dunking right now. Or two, you can give me two. I think Sharpe and Portland is one. Shaden Sharpe. And BC, who do you like? I mean, you dunk King. Who do you like out there? I mean, I mean, Shaden Sharpe would be my one. I think that would be a great matchup. I mean, man, it's a great opportunity for the league to get Jai involved. I think so. And I think it'd be great for Jai. Another guy who I would say. We said that yesterday, we said as part of his suspension, they should make Jai to the dunk contest. The guy's like Anthony Edwards. That's the other guy is Anthony Edwards. I would like to see, you know what? And if Zach Levine was up to it, or Derek Jones Jr. or Aaron Gordon, that would be the guys I would like to see to ask. So it's kind of the older mix and the younger mix and kind of see them kind of all go at it. I love that. But if I had to pick one on road with Shaw, that job, and back on the main stage, I'm going with y'all. I'm going with Shaden Sharpe. I'm still going Matt McClung. Matt got all day to dunk. I'm going Matt. Can you bring even more ducks we haven't seen though? We asked him. We asked him. He said he's got a couple more tricks in his bag. Hey, he got some stuff. I've seen a lot of video. You know, he's out here in Orlando. He's playing for their G-League team a little bit, but he is playing basketball, by the way. But no, he's the athlete. But I think McClung versus Shaden Sharpe. That'd be good, right? I'm here for it. Can I ask y'all this? Can I ask y'all this? If they had a one-on-one contest for five million dollars, ten million dollars, and you could see whoever you want to see get in it, the best players in the back. Could we do that? Could that be a thing? Could that be something people would tune into at All-Star? It can be a thing. Shout out to T-Max, first of all. Yeah, yeah, shout out to Matt. But I think that would be pretty rather interesting because there's a lot of guys who are saying, he, that person, can't guard me. And we saw Anthony Everett, the clip where he said, you know, he was trying to go at, who was it? Was it LeBron, but LeBron wasn't guarding him or something like that? Yeah, you know, so I would love to see that. But, you know, the way the young guys are today, and there's no disrespect, you know, they don't want to be put in that position if they don't have to to expose their brand. So I don't, I don't know if we'll get the best of us. How much more fun would it be to watch the Booker play Jason Tatum one on one than watching one of these skills challenges that everyone changes the channel anyways? And they're really going at it though, like really, really going at it. Yeah, they're going to go at it anyway. I don't know. I see it different though, fellas. I feel like if you put these guys in a position to play one-on-one on national television, you might get some real sparks flying. You know what I'm saying? You have to put a dribble in one-on-one because you know how come... Yeah, but you know how competitive we get. It's going to turn into a hackathon, boy. It's going to turn into a... No, that's not that. Especially Game Point. Game Point for sure. You're right. For sure, for sure. It's going to get competitive and it's going to be a hackathon. They're going to have to go to commercial a hundred times. We ain't never going to get through the game. Jamal, Jamal, there's a lot of questions about the Lakers, whether they want or they should hang the N-season tournament banner. What was your take on that? Do you see this obviously sticking around a lot of positive feedback from this tournament? Do you think the Lakers should have hung it? I think the tournament was dope, but I keep seeing that Kobe interview. He's like, we don't hang. We don't hang division banners, we just don't. But it also was the first of its kind to be recognized. I think you hang it, but I think you hang it in a smaller area with a different color or something. It can't look like the rest of the banners into years and years and years to kind of accumulate. So I would hang it, but it got to be smaller and it got to be a different color just to say, okay, we did win this thing, this tournament, but it wasn't like winning a championship. It can't feel the same. I think Adam Silver was going to tell anyone they had to hang that regardless. They're trying to keep that going. That is a promotion for the future right there, because that tournament is there, we won't forget it. That's why we were all before talking about this. If they didn't hang it, this tournament is dead, right? Like they had to say, forget about it. You forget about it. But if the Clippers end up winning that and the Clippers hanged as their first quote unquote banner, then people kind of laugh at them, right? Or no? Yeah, for sure. I mean, the Lakers got laughed at too. So it was the same thing. It's the same, it's the same. Say a Washington wins it and there's banners way bigger than what the Lakers did. I feel like you can't really have a right hand. Right. Is this something that you would have wanted to play in if they had this while you were playing or would you just look at like just another game, you know, in December? CP, I wanted to play on a wet Wednesday in Utah. I want to play anywhere at any time. It don't matter, whatever. I would absolutely love to play it. And especially 500K, I'm not even like money-driven for real, but like just to see younger dudes who are not, you know, actually getting it like that, you would have definitely wanted to win for them. You know what I'm saying? So you can help support what they got going as well because I didn't think it would be as competitive. There were so many teams that were so locked in and really like in it in it. And that was dope to see because that's what we all want, especially guys who retire, just compete, just go at it. And so for that to translate and then win, I thought that was dope. Can I say one thing to that real quick, guys? You know, what I thought was cool about it is how the young guys looked up to the vets, particularly a LeBron James and probably other vets around. They looked up to them like, bro, he did this for us. This dude who got all over the world went hard for us to win because they weren't playing. So they could, they had zero control on what money. You're going to get 500 or 200,000. But you know, LeBron made it a point to say, nah, I got you. I got you. Don't worry about it. Y'all chill out. You know, so I think what that did for them, they look up to that man. They'll never, you can't say nothing bad about LeBron James to any of them young guys or any of the vets around the league for attempting to bring money into their pockets. We don't have it and that's what I enjoyed about it. I ain't go ahead. I just enjoyed that. He took pride in it. Yeah, that was it. I just I enjoyed the fact that he just took. He took pride in the JC. That was that was really it for me. I just loved how he carried himself. He was excited. He got the fans involved. He was engaging. He made it exciting. You know, and he restored order in the court. I am still the big homie. Y'all gotta y'all get in line. I'm still the big homie. See how crazy is that DC? You play 20 22, right? Yeah, I played 20 Lou CP a whole bunch of years. How crazy is that that he's at this level still? Like this level he's playing at is unbelievable. What's ridiculous? Every single night. He's still bringing some match. And he has the most I enjoy seeing it, man. Go ahead Lou. Go ahead if you see, I'm sorry. No, I'm just saying I said, I mean, he's the oldest player. He's bringing the most energy. He's still dominant. He still wants to be on the court. It is still matters regardless of if his game 25 12. It doesn't matter. Like he you still looking for like, yeah, he doing it. But no, he's the guy. He's the most dominant and it matters to him. And that's that's what's crazy about it at all. I mean, he can still get it how he live. Like he look like a young guy still crazy. Right. And JC and JC, you can relate, man. You score 51 at 30 at 39. You still think you can go out there and get a 50 piece out of yourself? A 50. Oh, I don't think I can get a 50 piece loop. But I'm telling you on the right night, I can put up numbers. If you told me I had a month to really get in shape, like true basketball shape to play at that level. And I was going to get minutes and I was going to be featured through the second year or whatever. I can go to numbers, but another 50 piece. That was God. But I was God sending me off right. That's all that was. That wasn't me. That's that was calling the zone. My brother. Yeah, you get lost in it. Tell me. Oh, we got me. We got you. We got Lou. We got Vince. And we get a five man of our choice. Can we beat the pistons right now? All right. Right now today is in December. We get a month training camp. We're all about to say we need a month training camp. Don't lie to yourself. We beat the hell out of the pistons. We need a six or seven man. Hey, we got action. We got action. We got action. We got action. I feel good about it. Yeah, I feel good about it. They go live. Yeah. CP, you're going to start off in the first quarter. You're going to get us going. Second quarter. I'm going to do my thing. BC third quarter. We go into the underground, go up to close in the fourth. We straight. Yeah, I'm cool with sharing my time. Hey, I just want to get at it. Like, bro, I don't know how it would turn out, but that would be fun, man. It would hurt people. I'm the oldest of this panel, but it would hurt me, but I'm with you. I'm serious. There's some pistons watching this show upset with us. No, no, but it's true. But Lou, it's just more. We probably are. But it's just competition. And I think the competition of it all is what, you know, we live for and, you know, I think it would be good for someone like them to see it. Like, bro, it don't matter. Like we've been, I've been sitting over here for years now. Well, you too, mom, but, you know, it's just, and CP, you've been out, well, how long? Three to 2021. That's what I'm saying. So, you know, but to see the competition and how it matters, I think that's what it, maybe we don't win, but it just sees how it, how it matters. And I think that's what they need to kind of get over the hump. They need something. They said, maybe we don't. CP, if you're coaching, if you're coaching the Pistons tomorrow, if you get hired tomorrow for whatever reason or your assistant coach or whatever, what are you changing to break up that and mine instead of losing that me in the run? What are you bringing to locker room? What are you telling them? I mean, to me, they don't have the talent, right? There's some guys on their team that just face the RNBA players. They have some future assets. I love Kate Cunningham. I love some of their pieces, but to me, it's all about effort. They got to leave it out there on the floor. You're not going to win every game. You're not going to win most games, but to me, as long as I see that effort, if I see them competing night in, night out, then I can live with that as a coach, right? We've all seen the film sessions where the next day we're like, damn, we don't, we don't want to, we don't want to watch that. We didn't box out. We didn't dive on the floor when we could have. I feel like when you have a team that's less, that is talented like them, you've got to be the best at that. You have to have the highest energy. It's not like they're the oldest team in the league, either they're young, they're fresh. So to me, I would just want to see them play harder, man, and like compete at some point. Yeah, jump up the game a little bit. Have some self-respect. Jump up the game, switch it up. Put a full court press in there. You know, you're young guys. Be active, be, be, use your energy. Use your youth a little bit more. Like I just feel like that's what you got to do. You know, you have to out-athlete sometimes. You know, if you don't, you know, have the knowledge to be, where's your motor? You can control that. That's stuff that you can control. I just think you just got to switch it up, man. I'm starting the game with a full court press, just to look different. Yeah, 94 feet. Throw a 131 in there, Vince. Anything. Why not? Why not? So, well, I want to ask you, who do you think right now in this league is the most underrated player that's not really getting, you know, that's not getting any love? But who do you think is one of the most underrated players in the league? Hmm. I think. I don't think a lot of people talk about Darius Garland like that. Like, they talk about him as spots and he is nice. Like, Darius Garland is nice. I love watching him. I love throwing James Brunson in there. Oh, for sure. He should be all star this year. Jayden Brunson is the person who other stars want to play with because he understands what it takes to win. He understands culture. He under, you can trust him. Like, he should be a face of a franchise and he's going to get more people to come to New York. But he's all about winning. The way he plays, the pace he plays at. Lou and I both coach youth, right? So we're teaching kids to play off two feet. You can see everything clear when you get to the basket. You can see if you're open. You can see if you, you know, or have a teammate open. Jayden Brunson lives in that space. Like, that's what he does. So he always is under control. I think, I think SGA is cold. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, he's in pub. But the way he's actually playing, my man is a problem. Like, if you really watch him, he is cold, cold. And he's doing it in a way where those other guys are, okay, seeking role. So there's some dope ones out there for sure. There's a lot of talent right now. Let me ask you this, on the flip side of that, I don't like to say NBA players are overrated, but if there's any guy out there, put your coaches and your GM hat on. Who would you like to see step it up? I don't think he's overrated, but I think Anthony Davis. I just feel like with all that talent, he has to be more consistent. Like, I was one of the ones last year, like, man, LeBron got to come out publicly and say, this is your team, like Wade did for him, for them to really take off. Bron's done that. He's, they've ganked with the team. You can't have 40 and then eight or 36 and then six. Like, he's too good for that. His talent warrants so much more. He's one of the top 75 players ever, or he's voted that, right? So I think he's the one that really has to step up. I think Zion's the other one. I think Zion, people forget. Zion was going to be crowned the next face of the league. So that's why people are so hard on him. He wasn't just crowned to be a superstar. He was crowned to be the face. And then here comes John. Here comes, you know, Winby. Here comes all these other guys that are like just took it, you know what I'm saying? And I think with that, that's why people are having a problem with everything he's doing. Yeah, he's doing numbers, but it's like, bro, you're supposed to be the face and you still can do that. And hopefully when the old generation or other people are, you know, saying things to you, it motivates you to go get that because you have that kind of talent. It's crazy because these guys aren't overrated, right? Like they're just, they're not overrated. No, they're not overrated. We want more and we expect more out of them because of how good they can be every single night. Right. Jamal, recently, my guy, Mark Cuban, said you were the first ever draft pick. It is that he hung out with that he drove around. Listen, I got my own stories with him. He's very hands-on owner. What do you, what do you remember about that situation or hanging with Cubes? Just how cool he was. Like we playing rap. We just ride, ride through Dallas and just, just chilling. And he didn't feel like it in, you know, CP better than anybody. It wasn't like he was an owner. Like we was really just boys chilling. And it's crazy because there's so many stories you never tell, right? But for him to bring that up, you know, that's the modern era he brought up. But like he was just so cool. And I was like, damn, is every owner like this, you know, because this is his first year. So I don't really know him. I'm a rookie. So I'm not knowing what it's really like, but he was definitely one-on-one even back then and a transgender. And it's dope to see all the success, you know, that he's had since then. And people don't give, VBC was just talking about that. People don't give that championship enough credit the one they won. Like how they had to do it, the roster that they had at the time, like they don't, they don't get enough credit and how he built that thing up. They, CP, you know, they were one of the first teams of the league where we actually get real food after games. And that stood out like, yeah, we get real food. It was like just something that, you know, we had to put an order in or something like that. Like he was a transgender. So it's dope to see him out as successful. That's a fact. That is a fact. See, I'm gonna see. Maul, right now the sixth man of the year award is named after John Havlachek. Yes. Should it be renamed after someone else in the modern era, perhaps the Jamal Crawford, Lou Williams award, something like that? Hey, when a Hall of Famer like you, when a Hall of Famer like you speak, we all listen. So if you, if you talking like that, to be honest with you, I think Havlachek obviously was a Hall of Famer. He did incredible things. But to this generation, they're gonna look at Lou and myself as kind of, you know, champion that award. So with that, I would. That's why I said what I said. Yeah, exactly. So I would think, you know, when I see kids all over the country, you know, in gyms from just coaching and you, they talk about both of us. It's like we're synonymous with each other. So I think it would be dope to have that award or some, they gotta be sixth man or something. It's that award. It's that award. It's that award. Five years. You didn't change the way you let me go. You two did not do it one time. You two did not do it two times. You guys did it three times. Name me somebody else that's done that. I'll wait. A, A, B, C. And, and also Lou, before you go, people did not want to be sixth man. Nobody was like, it's the sixth man. Everybody, we all broke one to start. So now that you see these guys and you throw in my new for sure, and Jason Terry and the ones before us, but even then, I still didn't hear people saying they wanted to be sixth man. Tyler Johnson told me, Ma, I was the best player in the state. I came off the bench because I saw you and Lou is my favorite player. So it's dope to see, you know, these young guys come into league and he just finished the league that you had an impact on. That is true. I'm going to keep it real. We need that. We need that. We need that. We need that. We need that. Last question. Last question. Lou, real quick. You think about the people that's gotten awards and why did they give them awards because of the impact they had off of that award alone? You guys have a real impact off of that award and there's no disrespect to the others that you mentioned Ma, but like you guys have done it multiple times. That's called impact. And can I say one last thing before y'all go? When Lou started myself and I didn't make all stars six man and killed me because I'm like, how can you ask somebody to sacrifice and do as best for the team? But then you penalize them by saying all, but they're planning to get second union guys. So that's why they got these numbers and I when it didn't happen for me, I said, it's going to happen for a little lose hours and 20 plus off the bench. They went and put him in the all star game. I remember tweeting that. I remember texting him that there's no way that he should not have been an all star. He's one of the most fear players in the game. Period off the bench or not. You knew what he was going to bring to the table. So don't have somebody sacrifices a six man and then I'm the other end say, oh, but I can't put you as all star because you came off the bench. That ain't right. Y'all still close games really appreciate you coming on. Thank you, bro. Plenty more. Coming up next. Appreciate y'all. Run it back. Run it off. Run it back. Run it back. Run it back. All Crawford. What a guy. What a guest. It's funny. You guys are staying. Most people ask how many points did you have when you play a game? Or do you start and Lou and Vince made a great point. Lou, you and Jamal made it cool to come off the bench. You made six man being such a thing to wear that trophy. I'm with you. You see, that's got to be named after one of these cats. It's crazy because, you know, just like you said, it wasn't cool. It wasn't cool for, you know, or people didn't want to embrace the role of six man. A lot of the times. Those six men, the six men that you know historically, the Genobles, the Vinnie Johnson's, the Jason Terry's Crawford, obviously Lou, they finished games also. You know, so it's important for young guys to know, you know, it's like, do you want to start a game and then don't close games or do you want to close out game being a closer? Because a lot of guys in this league getting paid to be the closer. Yes, they start, but they're getting paid to be closers. Yeah, for sure. Well, that'll do it today. Appreciate you guys. Tomorrow, we have the red penicillin and rosette coach, Chris Pinch. All right, guys. More to it.