 Hey everyone, I just wanted to have a quick word before the episode began. We actually have a little bit of an announcement. We will not be having a new episode of fan service on the dates of November 27th and November 28th. Thanksgiving is what we wanted to take a week off. Yeah, but we'll be back on December 4th and 5th. And we'll be back with a vengeance. And by a vengeance, I mean Fiona from Achievement Hunter. We'll be a guest star on that episode. So hopefully after you miss us, we'll come back with bright and shiny faces and new friends. It's a very good episode. Yeah, it's good. Anyways, happy American Thanksgiving and everyone else. Just keep watching anime. This week on fan service, we talk about Naruto. Bleach. One piece. And I'm angry. Oh god. Guys, all the anime fans are talking about it. Disney Plus is finally here. Yeah, we can watch those good anime like Gargoyles. You actually can't watch all the anime because Disney did not get Miyazaki Collection. No. What an HBO Max. Yeah, it's on HBO Max. That's right. Dumped on Mouse. And we know that because we are fan service. We're sort of his official anime podcast. I'm one of your hosts, Cole. I'm Issa. Issa? I'm Cary. Cary. I'm Miles. I don't know why. Is that a jab at me? Is that how I talk? No, I was trying to do it. That's a new thing I'm trying out. I'm like, hey, what's going on? I am Miles. Leave a comment below if you like New Miles voice. If you like. Kind of leave a comment now and go. I know I try to be supportive like this. If you guys haven't even uploaded yet and you're like, guys, something's going to happen. You're not going to like it. First, nah. How's it going, everyone? Hey, you know, I think we're having kind of a low energy day. I also think it's like right in extra life. That was like a pretty big high for a lot of people. Congrats, guys. Recovering. Yeah. Speaking of not aging well. It's like alcohol tolerance. You had to drink a lot more. I did not drink that much. It's just my bones hurt. My bones are coming out. Miles does not have a chest anymore. You got a whole blown in his chest. Tender. Yeah. Today and yesterday. He's pretty much got one punch man. I got one punch man. I'm getting like shivers just thinking about it. We got, you know, we got beat up by a professional wrestler to raise money for children. And that's pretty fucking cool. I'm so jealous. I want to get hit. I want to get hit. Says cool. You told him cool. And I was just like, how drunk are you? And you're still saying it now. I just started getting into wrestling because it's he did. Pretty much anime. It is. That's fair. And so like, I've been like, I'm just now getting into wrestling. When am I ever going to have the opportunity to get slapped by a seven time world tag team champion? Yeah, you really fucked up when you didn't get hit so hard in the back that your ears are ringing for 60 seconds. I'm not an idiot so I wasn't going to get hit in the back. I don't know why always in the front. They don't ever get hit back. Why did nobody ask to get spanked as my... Oh, valid, valid. I didn't anyway. I know I'm mad. I did ask. Okay. And Fiona was like, yeah, do it. Yeah, Fiona won. Yeah, we'll be on next week. So, hey, that's cool. That'll be great. But this week... What about this week? What do we just talk about next week? It's all about next week. Yeah, but instead of like a clip show of what happened previously, it's a clip show of what's going to happen. We film something now and then it's up to future us to somehow incorporate those bits naturally into the episodes. Oh my gosh. That's meta. I love Barack. I love Loss. That's an anime. No, we made a couple of posts on our social on the community tab, which we're trying to reach out to you guys more on YouTube just because we haven't been... RT animation hasn't been as much on the YouTube community. Yeah, I think we're trying to have a little bit more of a presence and let y'all know that we're here and we're listening. And inform you about that community tab because I don't know, maybe not everybody knew that it existed for a long time. Yeah, look at Miles right now. Well actually, we just found out about it recently and we're like, oh, this is awesome. We've been doing stuff with Pokemon coming up. We've been doing stuff with... I mean, we shared manga and stuff. I like it because it's the way that we can actually get to talk to you guys and get feedback right there that it's more accessible and more people have access to it. But after the one-piece episode, we found I was just going through some stuff online and something that keeps popping up that I'm interested in what you guys think about is The Big Three. Not the big upperclassmen in... That was exactly what I'd recommend. I was like, I like the Pip Boy, guys. In the history of anime and manga, there were three shows, three series. IP is called The Big Three. This is already the most anime thing ever. It was Power, Wisdom, and Courage. I am just a little familiar with this. One piece? Okay. Naruto. Okay. Bart. Bartista. Boruto's Dead and Bleach. Okay. Is that joke funny, or should we keep calling it that? I think, listen to your heart. Yes. Well, I think, listen to your heart. I think no matter how many times you say it, it'll eventually get funny again. Okay. Because it already isn't. That's how it gets so bad. It's either going to get funny or we're accidentally actually going to rename that show. Boruto's. Because of just how frequently Naruto's dad gets used. You mean Naruto's dad? No, Boruto's dad. Fuck, Naruto's dad is another show. It's also really confusing in the series right now because Boruto's gone back in time and is now hanging out with young Naruto. Yeah, because they ran out of ideas. Because it's in the same problem Dragon Ball hit. I was going to say, do we have to talk about a Big Three? Can we talk about that for the rest of the episode? No, Big Three, Big Three. That's kind of the point is that, I mean, Boruto isn't running anymore. Technically, Naruto isn't running anymore. Right. Also, when we ask the question online, what do you think the new Big Three should be? Issa was actually informing me a bit more of the history behind the title of the Big Three. Has it always been just a Big Three and it's just been these three? Was Dragon Ball never a Big Third? That was actually something that Cole had brought up in the conversation we were having. The Big Three of Shonen Jump only. Yes. So it was Shonen Jump's Big Three. Dragon Ball wasn't Shonen. I don't believe so, yeah. I mean, if you think about the history of it, Dragon Ball really did become Big, but I feel like if you think about the Big Three, the reason why it's called the Big Three is because those were really legitimately the biggest IPs for Shonen Jump because that was the three titles that really hit globally. It hit, yeah, and like, I mean. At the time, because that was when manga and anime actually started to become more and more exported globally. It looks like it was Shonen, Dragon Ball. Dragon Ball? Oh, yeah. It looks like it was Shonen Jump. So it looked like it was, but it was also pretty globally popular and successful before. Gotcha. Like, it was kind of like it was brought anime to the West. I see, okay. And then it was like, oh, here's the, you like Dragon Ball Z. Here's, pick your option after that. It's almost like you saying that Dragon Ball Z was so popular that they were like, you don't get to be in the Big Three. You're your own thing. Yeah. Dragon Ball Z is interesting. It ascended into it. Oh, you're the top. Like, interesting. It ascended into it. I mean, you can, I think you can tell too because of how many people are really into it from whichever country. I feel like I've heard people make the argument too, kind of similar to Pokemon too, where like, at a certain, I think people who want to get very like, about like anime titles and stuff like that. It's like, I've heard people say like, oh, Pokemon's an anime. It's a cartoon. Which is like, what the fuck? Weird to me. I don't remember who I was talking to, but I mean, like, there's been, I've had more than one people see on Reddit I can remember, but like, it's so, I think maybe people are talking like the Big Three in terms of like, broadening to a more, narrowing to a more niche audience. Narrowing to a more niche, but not too narrow. Right. Because that's the biggest, it's the first time you can go, oh, you don't know about Naruto. Oh, remember how we're talking about levels? This is level two. The reason, the only reason I bring that like, point up is because a series that people bring up a lot of, oh, this should be part of the Big Three is JoJo's Bizarre Adventure. But that's been running forever. It's been running forever. I mean, One Piece has been running forever. But JoJo, didn't JoJo start before One Piece? So the question is, was JoJo always as popular as One Piece? And I think the answer is no. No. And well, that's the other thing is, I also think JoJo's harder to like, I'm starting to get to the point where I like JoJo's. It's a little bit more of an acquired taste. Yes, it's, yeah. You have to be okay with a lot of anime tropes to step into JoJo's. Right. Whereas like, I mean, Naruto, One Piece and Bleach, I didn't know anything about anime before kind of stepping into that. I knew that I liked this Japanese form of cartoons. Right. But to your point, like Dragon Ball was, Dragon Ball Z was my first, or Dragon Ball was my first like anime and then Bleach was my first manga. And it's just, they're easy to get into. Exactly. Like you, even though like you were seeking out those comics. Yeah. The entry level was very easy. So people, there's the big three and there's been this big three. For a while. Now people are like, there should be another big three. Well, is there a term in our coming? Oh God. Between the two. At least that, what was that game? Jump Force. Oh yeah. That's how they actually are going to decide that I do. Yeah, exactly. That's the thing is like, there's been a lot of discourse lately of people going, hey, should there, is there a new big three? I mean, look at how quickly my hero is taken off. Yeah. And it's very accessible, like hitting that superhero at peak superhero craze. I mean, if we're talking about like shows that got people into anime too, I mean, like Attack on Titan, Sword Art Online. Oh yeah. Those were. I didn't even think about Sword Art. Just go into Hot Topic and look around. Oh, that's hot. Yeah. And it's like. Hot Topic was the one, the level one anime. For me, Attack on Titan is still a little bit inaccessible. Sure. Just because of how like, with the art style a little bit. The first time I saw it, I was like, this show's gross. And it was somebody coming back and saying, no, like, give it another chance. Yeah. There's something. That's fair. Yeah. But then there's stuff like, a fairy tale. Yeah, that's that. That is a valid, like, very popular series in Shonen Jump. And the reason why I think they're, I mean, they're called the big three in the first place, because I feel like that was like, I don't know the statistics, but that was really the golden era for Shonen Jump at that time for publishing. Like, man, they sold, I bet you they sold a lot of units of like their magazines. Like, globally and Japan too, sure. But like, they sold, probably sold a lot of like, their magazines whenever. Mangasins. Mangasins. Whenever those were being published. Right. I remember there was a video, I feel like maybe it was like that anime guy on YouTube. His name is actually that anime guy. Okay, I wasn't gonna, I was, I was trying to decide like, like, us? Like, which one? Yeah. There was a video I remember watching on YouTube a while ago, actually talking about this. Yeah. And how it was like, man, as long as one piece is there, like, they'll sell, they know that they will, they will sell magazines, but if like, one piece is taking a break, oh man. So there is a certain amount of, oh, what's the word? I guess like, legacy. Or like, honor. Or like, they're the ones that like, started. Yeah, like, it was this big craze of like, which one is the most popular? They're also the most like, yeah, like we keep saying accessible, everyone who got, really got into them, like, really bought into all of the Shonen Jump stuff. Motherfuckers were wearing leaf headbands. Yeah. Everywhere. They still have strong hats. And they still are. The hat and clogs and bleach. First ever like, anime merchandise I bought was Toshiro Hitsu Gaia's sword and bleach. Yeah. Yeah. And that's still in my bedroom right now, like. Yeah. So. Where? In the closet? In the... It's by the door, in case somebody comes in. That's fair. Let's take them out. So you can arm them, if it's by the door. Yeah, because Cole wants a fucking challenge. Yeah, exactly. You're just gonna like be there, just like, I can do this. You're like, I'll fight you with one hand, and I'll pick up that sword. So it is, they think that one of the interesting, at least at the time, when it was happening, was when Naruto ended, because out of the three of them, Naruto was the one that ended first. Bortoste. Ended before bleach? I'm pretty sure, because I remember, yes, no, I'm pretty sure, fact-trick me, Naruto ended first, and then bleach ended soon after. This is not super relevant, but did the Naruto manga have a distinction between Naruto and Naruto? Son? I don't believe so. Oh, was there a distinction? It was still called Naruto, but they did college. Actually. I do not believe there was a distinction. Okay, okay. It was still Naruto. Naruto. It was just Naruto. Essentially Naruto... It was a time skip. It's basically Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z. Or is it less so? Yes, Dragon Ball Z felt like a different show. I don't... Dragon Ball Z was not called Dragon Ball Z in Japan. It was still just Dragon Ball. Oh, really? Yeah. They were like, oh, the American audience is too stupid to be able to distinguish. That's fair. That's fair, yes. Okay, hold on. That's the thing is like... I used to be so upset, because I was like, no, like, we could get it. Like, we're not dumb. We can understand. And then Dragon Ball Super came out, the first Dragon Ball Battle of the Gods, which was the first one where they were starting to introduce this new... That's the cat guy. Cat guy. Yeah, Virus. And that's where they started doing S. Or Dragon Ball Super. Yeah. What? And people were upset that it was so funny. People were like, what's supposed to be serious? I was like, oh, we are too stupid. It's like, have you ever... Have you seen... In the first episode of Dragon Ball, he goes like, pee-pee. Yeah, yeah. You see him ding-dong? Yeah. They looked at that Z distinction, and that's when Dragon Ball Z started getting serious. Sorry. I just want to take a second. I like... Little kid dicks in the anime is really funny. It is, because it's just like the two, like, yous. But I believe Naruto in Japan, it's still Shippuden. But it's after the time skip. Okay. I wasn't listening. Okay, I... Just the last part, because in my head I was like, he's got kid dick on his back. I was like, do we need to cut that? No, it's fine. Okay. No, I'm so confident that Bleach was ended after Naruto. I was looking up. Yeah, you're supposed to look. But here, I'm so confident, because I remember thinking, I like this ending better than Naruto. Mmm. I went, oh, this Bleach ending is better than how I felt about Naruto. Hold on. Hold on. Just play with her. Sidebar. She's got onions. Yeah. Did you... Didn't you dislike one over the... Didn't you like one over the other because of Ships? It was Ships, yes, when I came down to it. I am that bitch. Was it the story of what happened, or was it purely based on Ships? Why not both? Poaching all those does. I was wondering, do you think the Bleach is overall better? Objective versus Subjective? Yes. Oh, that's interesting. Is one actually... Do you think one's actually better, but you preferred one or the other? Oh, out of Bleach or Naruto? That's a loaded question. That is a loaded question. That's a loaded question. I have heard most people like Naruto's ending better than Bleach's. Oh, which is bullshit. But what this episode of the podcast has done is it's walked up to the comment section of YouTube and it placed this question under a cardboard box with a stick and a string attached to it, and now we're fucking ready. But that's also the bubble that I've seen. That's the bubble that I've followed on Twitter, like Naruto's ending better than Bleach's. But I also know that you, like it was for you, a lot of it was shipping. And I don't think those people are involved in shipping that much. I don't know what they look for. Maybe the fight scenes are better, maybe something else. I don't know what the algorithm has determined people I follow. Yeah. Here, let me paint a picture. Yeah, please. So here's what happened. Here's how I view as a person who has read both Naruto and Bleach all the way to the end. Just so we don't scare anybody. This is a non-spoiler. Or who gives a shit? I don't care. They're old by now. They're old by now. Naruto ended November 10th, 2014. Guys, that's a lot later than I thought. Five years. That's a lot later than I thought. I don't know why. I thought it was like early 2000s. Bleach manga. All I know about Naruto. Bleach manga ended August 22nd, 2016. Boom. Two years later. Naruto, because he likes pink hair girl. No, that's the guy. Sasuke is the black-haired guy, right? Yes. Yeah. And he's mean, but they're friends or something. They're rivals like Ari and Ash. Okay. Okay. So here, let me paint a picture. There's a reason why I think that people think that Bleach's ending is not as good. Because what happened with Bleach, and I said this a lot in previous podcasts, where when you have long-standing popular series, their pacing slows down to a turtle's pace. Yes, right. Why spend one issue selling what you could use, two issues selling? Yeah. Like you could tell the same story over two issues and you make twice as much money. I think Kubo, the manga called for Bleach, he has such a strong graphic and fashion design sense, and he really used that in his manga. Unfortunately, a lot of his story and pacing, just kind of fell lower and lower as Bleach went on. I think he had some more personal issues with his... Wasn't there a bigger break for a while at one point? Yeah, I think there was a bigger break. Towards the end, I think. Yeah, he had a bit. I know it also, he was also being very affected by people's critiques, critical response to it. I cannot imagine being a mangaka. Because it's like, the hardest thing, this is getting for me for a second, but the hardest thing is being in production. And it's like, all I look forward to is the time in between. Yeah. And then it's there, and then it's fine, but there's no in between. You don't get first manga, you don't get that. Fuck. Nothing. Especially if you're weekly, man. Unless you're the hunter-hunter. Especially if you're the hunter-hunter mangaka and your wife made Sailor Moon, so then you're pretty good. Yeah, yeah, right. You're good to go. Yeah. So what ended up happening was that it was a point where you're kind of just like, you're looking at Bleach and you're looking at the story, and then you go, this needs to end. And then it feels like, okay, you can rest now. Like, close your eyes. Like, it's dead now. And it ended, and it's like, okay, it's fine. It ends in the way that a lot of, I think a lot of mangas do, where sometimes you go, oh, if you want to do a little spin-off, you could, because there's kids involved, but also I'm like, you don't have to. It's fine, go rest. You've done your duty. You've done your duty for like so many years. Nardo, and I am looking at this through a Shipper lens, because Nardo I've been involved with for a decade at least, because I got into it when I was in middle school by the time it ended, it has been about 10 years of my life. I was really into Nardo. And what ends up happening, fortunately and unfortunately, as you get into fandom, is that you start developing your own ideas of what these characters are. This is hitting really hard. Sorry guys, am I giving you secondhand anxiety? I'm just gonna shut my mouth. I think that's what's gonna happen. You start getting your own ideas of who these characters are, what's gonna happen, and especially if you start reading a lot of fan fiction. These characters end up becoming your own idea of what these people are. Which I think is great. It's good. I think it generates a lot of cool ideas. Nardo was such a huge growing up moment for me, because when it ended, it took me like a few weeks to realize I don't own this. I was like, oh, I'm mad, it's unfair, I don't own this. This discussion right here is why I actually love a series that was on Amazon Recreators. Yes, that's right. Because it plays upon this exact conversation where it's who owns anything. As a creator, you can continue to throw stuff out there. If your audience doesn't pick it up and run with it, you haven't created anything. But the audience also can't own all of it as well. It's a really weird balance where I feel like it is so difficult to write the line of when it comes to endings. Having an ending that if you do exactly what everybody expected, well, then it was contrived. If you do something out of left field, well, then, oh, I couldn't have predicted that. You're just getting subversive or you're just trying to twist. I feel like it's just very difficult. You have to find that line of it needs to be understandable, but not what you're expecting. But you're still happy with it. And it's just like, that's impossible. Mikey Newman has this amazing quote about movies where he says, you should view every movie as though it is a miracle. Regardless of if it's good or not, the fact that it even got made and distributed to the point where you could see it as a miracle and the number of compromises and decisions and choices and hoops at that had to go through in order to just be there in front of you is a miracle. And telling a story, it's that same thing of there's so many moving parts. I don't know. And it takes a lot of hands. Long as no exception to that. So here's how I think Naruto set me up personally. And then I completely, the way it ended, I was just like, what the fuck? So everything about Naruto that was happening and character-wise, there were so many different parallels that were happening because there's so many teams of three. Like there is main team seven, which is Naruto, Sasuke, and Sakura. Of course. And then the legendary Sanin, which are basically the big three of the series, which were literally each of their mentors. It was Jiraiya, Orochimaru, and Tsunade. And Tsunade took up Sakura. Jiraiya mentored Naruto and Sasuke ran away to join forces with Orochimaru. It was all a parallel, like the way that the stories were happening. It was always this. And then there was another team of three that was very much like, oh, this thing kind of happened. They kind of ended in a tragic way. So here, me as a little girl, I'm kind of like, oh, okay, team seven is going to break the cycle. They're going to do something different. Like these two are going to get together. It only ended five years ago. You were that little girl. I was a little girl. No one knows my age. I was 15 for all you know. I'm 15 at heart. I was so portraying. I'm not saying you weren't y'all a little bit. I imagine like. You should have seen me when I first watched Naruto. I was like that. Didn't I know you five years ago? You did it. I came here four and a half years ago. Okay, yeah, four and a half. Big difference. Big difference. A girl can change in six years. That gross part, crazy. So here I am. Whatever, guys. Here I am thinking like, oh man, they're going to change. I'm thinking it's going to be like this, this and this. They should. I'm thinking like, oh man, this character, she represents so much to me. She's really big to me. I wish, I hope she gets the justice that she deserves. Like it was, it was so crazy because even up to the final battle, there's this point where even Nardo gets to meet his dad and his dad even is like, oh, is that your girlfriend? He goes, oh yeah. And then it's like a whole jokie thing, la la la, whatever. And everyone, whatever shippers could say. Oh my God, I'm so mad. Whatever people could say about this shit, whatever. But there's, it's this setup. It's this setup that happens. And then right at the end, it's, Sakura goes back to Sasuke and asks him to come home again. And it's just like this bitch tried to fucking kill you five times. And it's to me. They always go for the bad boys. It's such the biggest disrespect for me because I'm just like, how you, I swear to God, you set this up in a way that you knew how this was gonna end. And then you turned it around just so you can sell out and make more money to make Boruto. I'm mad. So wait, who is Naruto's, who's Boruto's mom? Hinata. Hinata. Okay, okay. Is she the girl with the white eyes? Yes. Oh, she's cute. I've just upset you guys. The problem is that a lot of people are sick of Hinata. Because Hinata pulls out her small book. My vision just turned red. Hinata has left the chat. Hinata is a stereotypical good Japanese wife. Yeah. Oh yeah, because all I ever watched was like some of the first seasons. She's the one that was like, I think it really is a big cultural difference. And like whatever I had read in forums, who knows if they're real or not. It's the internet, right? So at the time when I was part of like the whole shipping community, a lot of people I knew who like Sakura were actually from the West. A lot of people who like Hinata tended to be like from the East. And then the people, who's the animation studio that did Naruto? Oh no. It was a big, it was one of the Perriot. Perriot? Is it Perriot? I think so. Yeah, because they're doing a Piero or something. You mean the water? Yeah. He says left the channel. It is Piero. Piero. Piero. Piero. Um, they're, I mean they're a big- They're doing Black Clover as well now. They're doing Black Clover. So they're a big animation studio that does a lot of the big IPs. Yeah. Um, a lot of the forums at that time are kind of just like, oh, they're really pushing Naruto Hinata because they like that. Even in the filler arcs, as opposed to what happened in the manga. So there's so much like rumors happening and stuff. And that's the reason why Naruto had failed me because I was just like, you just sold out. You just sold out. One piece is great. And one piece is great. I was like, oh, Pirates win. Fuck this. One piece is still going, right? Is the romance a one piece? No. Not really. Fuck yeah. It's all about Nakama, man. No main characters. Like, what about a Hat Guy? I mean, it's a Luffy. Yeah, a Luffy. He wants to fuck the treasure. What do you think he's going for it? Stop. Or is it kind of like Sanji's just the one who wants to fuck everyone? Why do we forget in Fairy Tale that like Lucy's technically the main character? That's a valid point. She is. I mean, at least how they start the show. At the beginning, at the beginning. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it quickly, but there's romance in Fairy Tale. There is romance in Fairy Tale. You can say quickly. I've watched over 48 episodes and she was the main character technically. But yeah. One piece is still going. It is still big. And I think because Naruto and Bleach ended, one piece has now ascended. Well, also I think it's, I also think it's, while I love one piece, it's harder to access it. There's 900 episodes. I've got to say, when it comes to like the actual like concept of the big three, I, and I don't know if this is a controversial opinion or I probably is not. I don't, does it matter? Like I don't care. Exactly. I know more, at least I think I know more people that have seen, and I'm not saying this show is better, but I think I've seen more, I've known people that have seen Attack on Titan than I have one piece. Either that or nobody just talks about one piece because it's like, oh, everybody watches one piece. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. But I don't know that many people who actively like, oh, I watch one piece every week. I don't think there necessarily always has to be a big three. We're at a point where there's so much content. And we're at a point now too where audiences are much more able to sort of navigate their own journey through the sea of content and, and find like specific series and like follow it, whether it be in like print form or like animation. Like it's not just like, you know, it's not like we're all waiting on the Sears catalog every month to see like what things we might be able to buy. It's like, you can fucking find it if you're looking for it. I think the big three, as someone that, I don't know, I didn't really get into any of them, but I think it's a cool kind of, maybe like title or just like a, something that they, it was an accomplishment. It's an accomplishment that they had. And I don't know if there needs to be another one, I guess, you know, middle position, middle eight. I would say that my, wait, it's the my space to stop being carried. I would say that the counter, because I tend to agree with y'all, I'm just going to play Devils Advocate here. Oh, let's play. It gives a good standard for somebody's like, Hey, I want to get an anime. Like the big three was always good. Like, oh, here's, here's what everyone around you is getting into. Well, okay. Let me ask that. Do you, it is 2019. Is November 2019. Would you recommend to anybody that they start watching anime by watching either Naruto Bleach or One Piece? No. Like, honestly, I wouldn't. I think that's what I was saying. I think One Piece is a bit harder to access. Like, I mean, if we're saying like big three there, I would honestly like throw in my hero. Yeah. Like I would say like, I'm not so, yeah. We're saying like Devils Advocate is like having a group that you can go, here's this group of stuff that. They're all similar in nature that if you like one of them, yeah, you're going to end up probably liking the other one. And then that'll end up making you go into more. But they're all similar to where you're probably going to like them all, but different enough that you're going to have a favorite. Yeah. You could watch all of them. Yeah. Almost everyone who watched the big three who I've talked to had, oh, in my friends, that was my show. Right. Like we would all get together and talk about it. And but like whenever we talk about like ships or talk about like what happened, I would be the one like mainly leading the Naruto charge. Yeah. My best friend would be the one leading the One Piece charge. That was me for Cory in the house. I didn't fucking eat. So the big one. Yeah. The big one. It's just Cory. Cory in the house. Yeah. Yeah. If you had to start assembling a relatively new big three, I feel like Full Metal Alchemist would be on that list. I think that's one. Oh, as in like in general? Like in general. Like if you're talking three very popular anime that are kind of a good intro. So yeah. So what's the they don't want to ask what's the criteria for picking the three? Because like the original big three, they were selling manga at the same time. Are we taking that? Oh, I don't know. Out of there. That's like that. That was like the deep dive into anime manga culture. You're going to get into One Piece and then you're going to go read the manga. You're going to get into Naruto and you're going to read the manga. The biggest, the other big thing with the title of big three, I guess, is that it was very shonen jump specific, like shonen jump weekly at that time. That was their thing. Like that was their thing. That was kind of how they were marketing it. In my opinion anyway, from what I could remember or see, they're like, oh, read these three and then buy it and you'll be guaranteed these. And there's some other stuff in there too. Yeah, but it worked for them at that time. But now actually, one of the things we were talking about as we were kind of prepping for this, one of the things I had mentioned was I think it was actually really interesting when two out of three of those ended, I think shonen jump was kind of forced to look at their content and think to themselves, what can we do to get readers back? They're still going through so many new series are coming through. One of the shows that I would throw up there would have been Food Wars. I think it still might be a little harder to access, but I mean, it's on Toonami now. The manga sold extremely well. I know so many people around the office who I would never expect to get that deep into, because I tend to think of Food Wars as a bit deeper, just because there's a lot of by hentai artists, there's a lot of hentai references. There's a lot of it's a lot of that like anime trope vocabulary. And also it's like a lot of liquid liquids. And it's not necessarily like fights. It's cooking. It's cooking. So because because it's a you have that thing where she's like, these things ended. What are we going to do now with her strategy? I think shonen jump had to rebrand itself, so to speak. Actually now one of the things I mentioned to you before was I was just like, the fact that the shonen jump app is actually available now, I think is or is available and as good as it is now, I think is partially because they were forced to be like, what's our market? It's global now. So we actually have to make this accessible. We don't have a big three that keep us going. So we need to spread out and have stuff that's accessible to multiple people. Yeah. And it just ended up being like a byproduct of what happens when these really big IPs like die, essentially, even though Bordoster around, but I don't give a fuck. It's the same thing when the last episode of Game of Thrones premiered on HBO. There was like fucking five different ads prior to that. They were like, we are definitely not going to run out of ideas. Look at this. Look at that. Please don't cancel your subscription. Yeah, so in that case, we got to keep the film. So what is what would be a criteria then? Like what is like? I mean, to me, it seems like another aspect of those three at the time was, again, like the I don't I mean, this this shouldn't necessarily be a metric, but like popularity of just like everybody was watching or reading these. And to me, like or or did. And to me, like, yeah, my hero's up there. I'd say like Full Mountain's Brotherhood's up there. Fairy Tail Fairy Tail, I think is pretty high up there. I don't know. I think to me that kind of feels like an antiquated concept too, because like I feel like the concept of a big three gets rid of shows like erased. Where yeah, that's not it's not an ongoing series. And that's like the point that was personally for me. One of the things that started to draw me into anime when I was like, oh, a show can just run for 26 episodes. And then that's it. Yeah. And this is something else that's amazing. I like that is phenomenal to me. Yeah. I mean, it's the second show gets in a triple digit. It's like it's that much harder for me to like get into. Yeah. I mean, that's one of the reasons why I'm starting to really like not buy into a lot of the season twos or nostalgia train anymore, that a lot of things are happening with, which is why I keep talking shit about Borto, because I'm just like, please, I don't need this anymore. We are also starting to leave the demographic. We're starting to be that we have money, but we're starting to have less time. We're anime boomers. Yes. Anime boomers. Anime boomers, okay, anime boomer. Oh boy. I don't know. Yeah, I think I don't know. I think I kind of like what you're saying earlier too. That was a great title for them. And now how about we just have a here's things we love. The big 72. Exactly. Yeah. My space topic. Let's not limit it. So yes, like, I don't know what you're going to get. Do you guys have like my, you're saying full amount of alchemist? I mean, yeah, if we're like personally, like I feel like the things I hear, you know, a lot of times we're talking to people at the office who like maybe haven't seen a ton of anime or are interested in it. I feel like Brotherhood is like top, top three like most recommended shows. Yeah. Or like you don't know anime, watch this. Yeah. And you're not going to be disappointed. I feel like my hero is there now. Like I feel like everybody just thinks it's like a really quality show. I feel like Dylan Slayer is about to just fucking kick people's teeth in. I still need to catch him. Yeah, me too. So like I can't wait for the movie. I like full amount of alchemist and I agree 100%. What just popped in my mind is, I think another part of Big Three, while you guys were saying like, it's just to pop it in. Something that you can catch up with people and then you're part of that. Wow. Something that is continuing. Like my hero is perfect for it because it's like. Right. Oh like. I feel that way about Attack on Titan too. Yeah, I just like, the more I thought about Attack on Titan, I don't know. I think Attack on Titan, at least in the West pushed manga sales so hard. And that's what I like. I gotta see what's in that basement and we gotta buy manga. Fucking God, the basement. And it's like you can, like it's totally, this is, I don't think any of these are really about quality of show. Like if you don't like Attack on Titan, that's fine. I just, I do think that I feel like, and maybe this is more of a personal thing, but I feel like Attack on Titan and Sword Art were like a part of another big wave of getting people into anime. They fucking sold units. They just like, it was, it was, those are the shows that like people who didn't watch anime were talking about. Sword Art helped get me more into anime. I mean, it's definitely, that was like the king of Isekai. Like, that's crazy. Yeah. That show scene, I keep forgetting that it's like still going too. Yeah. Because that show, I was just saying, I'm about to start watching again, because like it's apparently, Kirito is like a vegetable now, so you get to just like, watch all the other people be all sent out. Now. Kirito. As in. Kirit. As in. Brain dead. Okay. Not like a vegetable. Not like an actual eggplant walking around. Okay, I wasn't sure. I'm trying to get in. After Dr. Stone. After Dr. Stone. You've seen him as a swordsman. You've seen him as a fairy, as a train sniper now. See him as broccoli. He didn't snipe. He used a sword still. I don't, didn't fucking watch it. It was, it was senone. One of the other things. She was a sniper. Oh yeah, that's right. She was. Yeah, okay. You guys got it. One of the other things, I think would be an interesting like limit, I guess to the idea of the big three, is limiting it to what it were, the publication of it. Yeah, sure. Yeah. Um. Like Shonen jumps big three. Yeah, specifically weekly as well. Because there's a difference between like their monthly publications. Attack on Titan's monthly, right? Attack on Titan's monthly. So the way that like, when you see weekly, you really see like, what really brings in sales because it's so much more cutthroat. And it's just interesting, the amount of titles that they have that aren't actually like, as similar anymore. I feel like back at that, when it was still at that era, like you did have similar titles and other titles that tried to do something different, really did die out because everyone was only really interested in like specific IPs. They wanted the same thing, but slightly remixed. Yeah, but now the IPs that you know now that are weekly Shonen jump, I feel like when I was looking through, I was kind of surprised that they were weekly Shonen jump because I was like, oh, I thought this was something else. Like, um, uh, Promise Neverland, isn't that weekly? Yep. It's weekly Shonen jump. Okay, Neverland. Um, Dr. Stone. Dr. Stone. Weekly Shonen jump. Oh, Boku Ben. Like. Boku Ben. That's like, I don't know if we talked about it, but it's about a boy tutoring girls. Yes, I think he did. I love it. Yes. Favorite Harlem right now, but. Very, yeah. Very safe show. Yeah. It is very respectful. Respectful. Um. Like, Fairy Tail was definitely one of the more, um, like Fairy Tail you go, oh yeah, that's weekly Shonen jump. Yeah. Um, My Hero. Oh, I feel like My Hero is kind of one of the, one of the turning point IPs for Shonen jump weekly. Yeah. In terms of like. Spy Families Weekend. Spy Families Weekly and Shonen jump, but also it's like really different. Like there's a lot of different titles that I think to myself like, oh, this isn't. Actage. Oh, Actage. Let me talk about Actage this weekly. There's a lot of different titles. Shush. Like, I think, I guess one of the things I, like, I maybe am not a big fan of like this concept of the big three is like, or again, I like, I like what it has been, but like going forward it's like, not everything is coming from Manga's either. Yeah. Like so many things have come from light novels. Everything Trigger does is just their own original. Right. Thing like, there's just so many different ways to do it too. It's not a conversation about the quality of the show. It's employee of the month. Yeah. No. You don't like that? Like the Dan Cook movie? No, I think it's, I think it's popularity award. Would you not say that's the same thing when your job is to sell magazines? If you're doing the best job. No, because it's, I don't, I don't think, I don't think it's quality. I think it's like, you're trying to, I mean, hit upon nostalgia, hit upon stuff. Like, I don't think any of those three were the best three anime or manga era at that time. That's what I'm, that's as someone that has never really read manga, like that's what it sounds like to me is like the big three were the ones that like people, like they were specifically, some storylines were drawn out to sell more units. It was like, if you put this in the magazine, people are going to buy it. And to me that sounds like the, the show, the stories that are doing their job the most, which is, it doesn't matter quality, it matters how many people are going to keep reading because they wanted to get the next issue. Yeah. That's what I mean by employee of the month. Okay. Well, because me, employee of the month is like, you were the best, like you, that's valid. I guess like, yeah, I don't know, you did the hardest work, you did the stuff where it's like, sometimes they're literally not doing the hardest work. They're literally having a difference between a, all of the employees avoiding voting on an employee of the month versus the manager voting on employee of the month. Yes. You know, yes. And there's two different ways to do that, but like, yeah. Yeah. That's very funny. Yeah, it was, it was essentially just popularity. At least in my eyes. So we've got the bottom of it. Okay. None of it matters. Watch what you want to like, ask your friends who are in it, Manga, go to, go online. I mean, I think we mentioned stuff that we like a lot on this show. So, my hero. My hero. My hero. My hero. We like. And also the, the eternal question that we've all kind of been going around is like, do we need it? Does it really matter? As you were saying Miles, every, the audience is not smart enough to kind of wade through all the stuff of all this new content that we have. For second, I think they are smart enough. I think we're starting to get closer to a point where there needs, there might need to be something for people to go. There's too much. Yeah. Like before it was, before it was, I don't know what this thing is. Guide me. Now there's like, that needs to be curated. I think, well, I think part of it has been that readers and viewers themselves have started to take pride in being that facilitator of like, there's the friend that's like, like, don't you feel great when you recommend something to someone and they fucking love it? I think people are starting to seek that out to be the person that tweets about this thing that's like, y'all need to stop sleeping on this show right now. Or like, y'all need to be reading this. Like I think people are who get to this level of investment start trying to become that curator of stories. I have to say, honestly, the thing that's making me think of, and I kind of forgot about this because I am not able to like keep up with stuff as much as I used to before. I feel like the thing that, that, and this is funny because it is kind of my space, top 80. 80. Eight. He had a lot of friends. A lot, yeah. It was just, it was just Tom. It was the way crunchy roll would sort. Oh, yeah. And it was always, which one got to the top? Yeah. I mean, there's, the default sorting is popularity. Yeah. And it's one piece. It's my hero, my lover. There's those shows that are always in the top and then like, you'd see a show get to four and then you would refresh the page and you're like, oh, shit, that shows in two now? Oh, like, yeah. Interesting. That's kind of like a, it's like a live feed of the top. The stock ticker of anime. Yeah, exactly. I mean, but it is, it's, it's, you know, one of the most popular anime sites. And it's just based on views, you know? Get that with my anime list as well. That's true. It has how many people are watching as well as what people are rating the score. The score is definitely like what we're saying that like community vote, because it's like, recent seasons of Sword Art have been like the second or third best anime airing according to my anime list. It's like, no. It's interesting too, when you start getting into like things like voted on by fans because let's circle it background to maybe you didn't like something because of shipping. This is not a call out. This is a, but let's say that this is something that we found with with with the like and the dislike world that we live in now, where if you don't like the way something was like, there's a reason why, this is not to say Rotten Tomatoes is a perfect rating website, but there's a reason why they separate critics from the audience rating. So you know, people can't just like dislike bomb something because they're ignore the critics. One advice first is like critics will sometimes take an approach where they miss what the point of the movie is. I mean, I've one of my favorite pastimes to do is go read the Pokemon first movie reviews, like the critic reviews. Because that's like the best movie of all time. Well, no, we're there and they're like, I'm not saying it is. In the years after Akira, this does not hold a candle to cinema. It's like, yeah, it's the same audience. What the fuck are you talking about? The best one is Roger Ebert went and played Pokemon cards with some kid who completely rolled him. He stole his cards. He was like, I don't know how by the end of it, the kid had taken my Charizard. Oh, R.A.P. Bless that man. All this is just building towards is the fact that Hideo Koji moves right in the future. In the future, our currency will be based off likes. Okay. Yeah. Thanks for watching another week of fan service. 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