 One of the best categories of supplements for muscle building, fat burning, and just overall fitness are adaptogens. Now, yes, it's true. The best supplements are the ones that tend to fill nutrient needs. If you're lacking a vitamin or mineral, taking one of those things can be a game changer. If your protein is low, protein powder can be a game changer. But besides those, look at adaptogens. They actually improve or enhance your body's ability to adapt. What is adapting? Muscle building, fat loss, getting stronger, getting more fit, improving endurance. So many of you will notice positive effects by supplementing with the proper and appropriate adaptogens. It's a great category of supplements. They've been used for thousands of years. They're the forms of medicine. They've got health benefits. Check them out. Yeah, but at what point have they become popular in the West? Because I know that they're probably more eastern related in terms of herbs and all that. They've been here, but they haven't been popular, marketed at least. Yeah, well, they'll market them differently. Do we have a lot of research around building muscle and stuff with them? We do now. We're starting to now. Ashwagandha is a classic adaptogen used in Ayurvedic medicine. So here's what's cool about these old forms of medicine. They've been around for hundreds or thousands of years. They don't have scientific studies because the scientific method wasn't used back then or for those methods, but they had lots and lots of anecdotes. So you go to Ayurvedic medicine. What does Ashwagandha do? Oh, it's good for libido, energy, strength. What do they find in studies? It makes you stronger. It improves libido. It gives you more energy. Rodeola been used for a long time. The Soviets actually studied it, but the problem with the Soviet studies where a lot of them didn't come over here because of the iron curtain. Well, okay, what did they use Rodeola for? They used it for their soldiers to give them more energy, better mental sharpness, better resistance to things like fatigue, improve their strength, athletic performance, muscle. What does studies show now? It definitely does those things. Jinsing. Jinsing in Chinese medicine has shown lots of these different things. What does studies show? Jinsing actually does these things. So adaptogens are a great category of supplements, primarily because they've been around and been used for so long. And yes, now we have studies actually support their use. So why is this important for the average person? Every time you're trying to get your body to change, what you're essentially doing is asking your body to adapt. So if you can enhance the adaptation process by taking an adaptogen, literally adaptogen, right, improve your body's ability to deal with stress, what does that mean? Your body adapts to the stress better. What is the stress? Exercise, lifting weights, dieting, that's the stress on the body, right? Lack of sleep, that's the stress on the body. You'll actually become more resilient and you'll adapt to things better by using, properly using, I should say, adaptogens. So it's a great category. So let's play a little game here. You have a person, an avatar, who is trying to build muscle. They're deficient on vitamin D. Creatine, ashwagandha, vitamin D supplement. If I were to compare them all head to head in the pursuit of building muscle, how would you like show them on like a graph? They're deficient in vitamin D? Yeah, and deficient in vitamin D. Vitamin D would be first though. So that would be. Yeah, because that's an essential- So it's still even more than creatine. Yeah, because- Really? Well, lack of vitamin D just won't affect your ability to build muscle. I know, that's why I use vitamin D. It will affect everything. Yeah, it's hormone related. Pormones, you can make you depressed, you're getting anxious. Like you're sick, right? So if you lack an essential, essential meaning you need this to thrive and survive. If you're lacking that, you're sick. You're essentially sick. Your body and your mind are all not going to be well. So that's always number one. Creatine, for building muscle, for muscle health, that kind of stuff, strength, bone, or even showing now it's great for bone mineral, for improving bone density, I should say, or strength or reducing the risk of fractures. It's got thousands of studies on it. And creatine, by the way, is naturally occurring. Creatine is up there, it's at the top. But adaptogens are right there. So let's, okay, back to my things. I really, I'm going to make you do this. You know, you've already said vitamin D. For sure. And then where would, where, like, give me like a visual. Like, here's vitamin D. Creatine would be next. And then creatine, and is it creatine like this, creatine like real close to that, you think? No. I mean, you fill a nutrient gap or deficiency, it's life changing. Like, you'll take somebody who's on antidepressants or, you know, anti-anxiety medication because they have a nutrient deficient they don't know. And then they all of a sudden fill that nutrient deficiency, it's life changing, complete life changing, right? So that's like big. That's the big deal. So creatine in the category of a vegan would be like pretty elevated. Vegans get a much bigger effect from creatine because they don't get, they don't get much of it all. In fact, they show statistically significant boosts in IQ with vegans who take creatine. That's how big of a difference it makes. Okay. So vitamin D here. And then is that mean you're going to say like creatine and ashwagandha are? Or adaptogens. Yeah. I would say if this was a scale of one to 10. Yeah. Filling a nutrient need would be a 10. Okay. Creatine would be like a five. Okay. And adaptogens would be like probably a four or three. Okay. Now, for people listening, oh, that's a four or three, that's nothing. Every other supplement's at zero. So, I mean, almost every supplement you're going to take except for the ones that fill nutrient needs are pretty much at zero. Anything that says it's going to build muscle, burn body fat, that isn't in the categories of things that I talked about. It's not going to do anything for you. Right. So you got all the big boxes kind of checked off and like you're doing everything in terms of like nutritionally and training-wise, but also you're carrying on a lot of excess stress, like whether it's relationships or work related, whatever it is, and you're just kind of spinning a little bit faster. Like this is a category that I look into. Listen, this is not a... That's another great angle you're going in right there because that now makes that leap up, right? It does. So if you have somebody who's got like a high stress job like you're saying, and it's like, and now I take that same person, right? But let's say they're not deficient in vitamin D or whatever, and then they're, but they have a high stress type of job. They're overwhelmed. Their body's overwhelmed by stress. And so... Now adaptogens... Now adaptogens probably leap from... Yeah, because the need is there, right? But I mean, I can't stress this enough. One of the biggest challenges that people encounter whenever they're trying to change their body is appropriately applying stress. What I say appropriately, it's got to be the right amount of stress that's going to induce adaptation but overcome your body's ability to adapt and just have to focus on healing. It's where people get stuck. Well, imagine if your stress meter limit is here. Now an adaptogen moves it up here. So now your normal stresses don't overwhelm your body. So for some people, this is significant. And this is why you see these adaptogens doing things like raising testosterone. Do they directly raise testosterone? No. What they probably do is prevent the depression of testosterone because you're overwhelmed by stress, right? So I think the last time we had a commercial for OrganiFi, I think I even brought this up, is I speculate that this is the main reason why the green juice gets so much positive feedback because there's a lot of people, especially in the fitness space, that shit on green juice is like, oh, it's like a total waste of money. It's like, whatever, it's just vegetable. Go get your vegetables, eat them in real life, which we always would advocate somebody eating. That's like saying protein powder is a waste of money. Go eat a steak. Of course, whole foods are a waste of money. Yeah, right. So we always push that. But I think when people talk about how they can feel a difference from it, I would probably speculate that it's because the ashwagandha. It's got ashwagandha in it and then the red juice is got rhodiola, which is another, again, that's a very popular Russian adaptogen. A little bit more stimulating. So here's what's interesting about adaptogens. They're not all the same. Some are more calming. Some are more stimulating. So rhodiola is more stimulating. It's the only one I don't like. And now here's a funny thing. So I don't know how to explain this in Western medicine terms. I had a herbalist explain this to me and they said that I was very high in young energy. So yin and yang, yin female, yang male, yin, yin fire, yin, you know, cool, whatever. They said my yang was high, tended to be high, which made sense. That's my personality. So taking too much rhodiola or even red ginseng, panic ginseng, the original ginseng, can drive it so high that it makes me feel feverish and kind of depressed. So I have to take a small dose and I feel good. If I take too much, I don't feel good. Yeah. Aren't they about like heat and cold? That's how they explain it. So I don't know what's happening on a neurochemical or biological level. I should definitely look into that. That's interesting because those are the two that I think I like the least of all the adaptogens that are out there. You would do well with ashwagandha, like me. That's the green juice. It does. I mean, you had me for a while back when we were really trying to work on my testosterone. I was taking the pure ashwagandha, which I would much rather have it in the green juice. You know what ashwagandha means? I think it means horse piss. Really? Yeah, look it up, Doug. Look up ashwagandha means horse piss. Just put that because it smells. Wow. If you get the actual herb itself, it is not. Oh, it's awful. Yeah, dude, it's terrible. I mean, the liquid form, you had me taking way back when. By the way, I could have given you capsules, but I wanted to see you take a little bit. You're such a dick. Yeah. So to put it in more polite terms, odor of the horse. As its roots smell like horses urine. It's from Ayurvedic medicine. It tastes like it too. Oh, wow. Wait, hold on. It tastes like horse piss? Yeah, it tastes like it too. From experience. I don't know. You worked in farms and shit. I know, right? Not a lot of growing up. I'm sure you're milking out there. I'm sure something's splashed up on me once in a while. You get curious. What's going on here? Oh, I don't like that. So you want to look at which one works best for you. So this doesn't necessarily mean every one of these is going to be great. Definitely don't combine a bunch. I know people listening right now, like me, will take all of them to take them at the same time. Yeah. That's not how adaptogens work. The right dose works best. Too much or too little doesn't do anything for you. It can actually make you feel worse, right? And the dose can be different from person to person. Like the red juice has rhodiola. I can do one dose a day and I feel great. If I go up to two to three, I start to feel those feverish kind of symptoms. Now I know people who take the red juice several times a day and love it. They feel amazing. I can take multiple of the red juice. I go one to two and that's it. The red juice has the rhodiola in it? It does. So that's weird. Yeah. Now when I had, remember when we were working with FitAid and they had that FitAid that had rhodiola in it? I mean, it would just, it would make me feel nauseous. Oh, that might have been something else. Well, I don't know. They had other stuff in it. Yeah. So maybe it was the white blue juice. Because I've taken pure rhodiola and high doses. So I read these old Soviet studies and they're like, super high dose. So of course that's what I did. I didn't feel good. But the red juice has got a nice, nice even dose. I can have three of the red juice in a day. No problem. And I love it. But then I've had others. I've not only, and FitAid is the first one that comes to mind, but we've had other companies send us stuff. And almost every time when I tell you, like, you're like, it has the rhodiola. Yeah. You've always been like, you don't do good on it. Yeah. But the red juice, not that case. Yeah, ginseng. Could it be something else that is in the red juice that's kind of countering that? That's making me feel better? That's a good question. Let me think about that for a second. It may be, you know, Organified does a good job of balancing out their knowledge about herbs and compounds and how they should be combined is really good. Most supplement companies have zero knowledge about this. All they know is stimulant, stimulant, stimulant, stimulant. Combine them all. That's going to be better. Or relaxing, relaxing, relaxing, relaxing. Combine them all. What they're really good at is what is the marketing part. Like where most money goes into. Oh, I'm talking about the ones that actually put stuff in. You're right. The other ones are just, but I know this. I've seen stuff. Like I've seen sleep products. And I'm like, Holy shit, you put five different herbs that depress the CNS. You're going to wake up feeling like you're, like something wrong with you. Yeah. Organified does a good job of balancing things out because that's what you're supposed to do. If you go to an actual herbalist, they don't, see, here's the problem. People approach herbs the way Western medicine approaches medicine. We take an active compound. We concentrate the shit out of it and throw it at you. Herbs don't work best this way. You balance them out. That's how you get the best effects. Herbalists, that's exactly what they do. They never give you one strong dose of this. They'll give you this and then they'll give you something else based off of your symptoms and how they work together. You know, I never asked you when you, when you worked with Organified to, to do a peak and make that, did you, did you learn anything from them? Did you feel like, because I know you worked with them as far as like the formula. So I knew that I wanted balance. I knew some of the compounds that I wanted. What I learned was how some of the natural sources of those compounds and what they put them, how they put them in there. And yeah, they were, I mean, I love when I talk with people who, you know, know more than I do about a subject that I feel like I know quite a bit about. So I was impressed. I was definitely impressed. Yeah, with that stuff. But yeah, adaptogens, dude. You know, I, most people will take them and they'll notice performance enhancing effects. And if you find the right one for your body, like Ashwagandha for me is, I mean, I, it's distinct. I'll go up. This doesn't sound like a lot to someone, but it is to me who's been working out for so long. I'll add 10 to 15 pounds on my compound lifts. It's a hundred percent. I've already parsed it out to Ashwagandha supplementation after about, it's usually after about 30 to 45 days. That's a significant amount. That's literally just the supplement. Nothing else. But I think what the point that matters most though is that it's because you need it or it's something that really, it just balances out the stress, right? Cause that's the hardest thing to do is juggling what's the right amount of exercise intensity. That's probably good for you. Say what? You're a stress cadet. That's probably good. Okay, let's keep playing this. Let's keep playing this game. I want to take it further because I actually have another question that's related to kind of this stuff. So we have the vitamin D thing. I said, now let's throw in peptides. Oh, well, that's a whole nother category. I noticed. That's why. So is this like? Peptides are strong. Peptides are strong. Which explains why they're expensive. Yeah. Like you take a peptide, it does shit. Like, and you're going to notice for sure. Oh, BPC. You've been taking it too. Yes. So you're taking it differently than me. That's why it's on my mind right now. You're taking it differently than me. I'm doing the oral BPC KPV. Yeah, I'm shooting it. And where are you putting it? In my thigh. Where you have the injury? Yeah, but it doesn't feel like it exists anymore. How fast? Bro, it's only been, well, it's actually been about seven injections now. Because you were like, it was like a pain in the ass. Yeah. Here's the deal. It works so good. It scares me. Because I'm like, I don't even feel it anymore. And I'm like, I want to get after it, but I'm afraid. Wow. Yeah, I know. That's how it was with my Achilles too. Same thing. I remember you saying that. It was like the next day or after the second shot, I already felt significant reduction in the pain. And then it got to the point where I was like, oh my God, it feels like I didn't do anything. And then I'm like, but then I'm like scared. I'm like, is it just blocking a signal or is it numbing something? No, it's not. And then I'm like, is this stimulating like stem cell production and localizing it in the area? It literally accelerates, they call it the Wolverine Peptide because it accelerates wound healing or injury healing. Right. So they'll do like crazy studies on rats. Well, they'll sever an Achilles or do something crazy and then have these guys over here just heal on their own. You have these ones over here use BPC. And it's like twice as fast. It's wild. Well, that's okay. So this is not my first time kind of injuring my leg where it's at. This has happened like a good four or five times. It's a similar spot and area where this has happened. Are you doing like a deep, like deep into the muscle injection or like an insulin needle? It's an insulin needle. Okay. But I go straight into them. Right. Yeah. Just on the surface. Yeah. Yeah. So, but so I kind of know like about how long I have to take it easy and rehab before I can kind of get after it. And so that's exactly what I know. It's just significantly faster. So much faster that I'm like. So my buddy Eric has had this chronic shoulder shit. He's been dealing with forever physical therapy, correctional exercise. I sent him to some people we know it got better, but it's always kind of like been there for a while. And he's had this guy's had so many injuries. He played football and just a wild childhood. Anyway, he's like, dude, he goes, I did a couple like into the joint where it hurts. And he said the same thing. He goes, is this like, am I just like numbing it? Like what's going on? Cause I feel so much better. I'm like, no, you're healing. You're healing so much faster. So I'm doing the oral capsule. And the capsule, it accelerates healing in the gut. So it's like time release to release in the gut. Well, just because it's literally wherever you put it is where it works most. So, and there's a little bit of a systemic effect. If you take an orally, I'm reading, but it's mainly in the gut speeds up the healing of the mucosa lining and any damage that has, you know, that you have in your gut. Can I tell? Yeah. You know how you can tell? I can eat things that I normally can't eat. Now this might not be a good thing. Push it too hard. I just, yeah, I just put an order in to get some oral as well. Oh, you haven't started yours yet. Yeah. So I'm curious through your guys' feedback. I better, I want to say this because everyone's excited watching this right now. Yes, you can buy all the stuff online. No, they are not made by a pharmacy. They're all research chemicals is great area. And I've seen third party testing on some of the stuff. Dr. seeds actually showed me this and you are gambling if you do that. You'll, you'll have a weird peptide in there that you don't even know what it is or nothing. If you're not working with remember, we got to go with the pharmacy and you got to know this case just as a consumer understand this like what I brought up the other day when we were talking about CBD is just like it's one of those markets because it's not regulated like that that and they're and they're expensive. There's huge margins and when there's huge margins in a market like that and especially when it's new so many charlatans are going to get in there and and, you know, water down things to increase their margins. You know what the game is. People don't know this. Here's the game supplement companies used to do this and some of them still do. You'll put out a product that's super popular have none of that product in there. You have huge margins by the time you start getting bad reviews close shop next thing started again next thing and do another one because it's so easy to set up an online storefront, you know, on the internet. It's so easy. Didn't we look isn't that what so you don't have to change anything else. Just the business. Did you ever find out for me? Yeah. Who the founder of rise supplements are why s e because they have shit knockoff of shreds. Yes. I'm pretty sure it was the same group of guys. And they did a shut that down. And after shreds went down, they opened the new brand rise and also that's the way to get rid of the inventory. Right. That's Nicholas Stella. I don't know if the same guy or not. See if you put rise put shreds rise because all you got to do is like change the labeling and then you know, there's a clue in it. Right. They both words misspelled like dorks to make it right. Stupid. Anyway, the Z's on every work with people or doctors and you go to pharmacy. 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If you're interested, just click on the link at the top of the description below. All right. Back to the show. You foresee because it's not a cheap space. You foresee it getting cheaper in the future, or do you think that it's going to stay released? Unfortunately, because the pharmaceutical industry shreds was Alvin Lal. Yeah, I know that's the main guy. There was a bunch of them all connected to that. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it is. All you do is you do like, we started another podcast and then we just, you know, we'll put like Andrew as the name. Pump mind. Yeah. It's the same company. You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, that's a different company. Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if that's the way to look at it. I mean, probably just directly asking the internet like is, you know, is there any affiliation with Rye supplements to shreds? Supplements. I felt like it was. Well, I remember, I remember it was right after a month or two later. You had Joey Swall and some of those guys that were. He now is a great guy apparently. He always, he just makes videos about how great he is on people's semi DMs. Look at this guy talking great things about him. Save all the people from getting bullied in the gym. You know what though? We should give people second chances. I feel like such a dick. Maybe he is. Maybe he's a nice guy now. Maybe. Maybe. Or maybe not. Yeah, I don't know why you're so quiet over there. I mean, I think you could be a nice guy and you still be. I mean, you could be a nice guy. Yeah. You could be a nice guy and you can still be a virtue signaling turd too at the same time. You know what I'm saying? Right. It doesn't mean you're not nice. You can be nice and be all those things still. Oh man. Yeah. What it is is like everybody and I know there's going to be somebody gets all offended by that because they're like, oh, he's so sweet and nice. Everything he does now. It's like you, these kids on Instagram and social media, they do something. They see that it works as far as. That becomes their thing. That becomes their thing. It's just like that's my stick now as I. Yeah. I do this. Not because I really care that much, but because it gets me lots of traction and comments and people believe I care. Dude, I want to talk about. There should be a trajectory of like. Otherwise, you know how I feel like people do like do those things and you just do it in silence. Like if you like. Exactly. It's like people who donate some of that and you have to make a big or deal about it. It's like. That's old marketing 101 by the way. Yeah. You donate $100,000 and then you spend $200,000 advertised that you donate. If you're videoing you being charitable, dude, like come on. Yeah. You know why you're doing it. That's what that's like to me. All right. So are you really going and like actually changing cultures in gym? Or do you just video over somebody else's video talking about somebody and being like. Yeah. You're and you're talking to all people who agree with you already. So you're not really changing that culture. You know, I wanted to go back real. You know what I'm saying? The guy, the guy who you are making fun of who bullies people who are not following you. No. So and you're talking to your audience who is the bullied one. So they all agree and they cheer you on. But are you really going in the gym and actually doing stuff about it? Or no, probably not. Probably not. All right. I want to go back to peptides real quick. You asked about what I think about it being cheaper. Here's unfortunately what I think. I unfortunately think there's going to be a regulate. I think they're going to get regulated at some point. That's what I think. I think, especially with this. Yeah. Exactly. It works. And it's going to be competitive. Yeah. Didn't they try and do that with creatine at one point? Yeah. Right. They were going to regulate with creatine. They're trying to regulate the whole supplement industry, which I blame supplement companies for the stupid stuff that they do. Yeah. Whatever. What about influencers who do weird stuff? What do you guys do? Well, it looks like he worked for Shreds for a while. And then at some point there was a lawsuit of, I think Shreds sued him. But I don't know all the details of it yet. Oh, okay. Interesting. So there was a relationship there. But I don't know exactly what it was. But it doesn't sound like it ended well. Oh, interesting. Okay. Speaking of influencers, a guy that we knew for a second, Connor Murphy. Have you guys seen his stuff on? Face palm. What? I don't stick up with him or stay up with him anymore. Bro, he's gone. He gets weirder. I mean, it's an example of what I just said. An example of what I just said. Like, literally, you throw spaghetti on the wall, something sticks, and it's like, oh, wow. When I do these, what was his yoga troll thing that he did, where he was like... He'd sit with him and then like... Orgasming, but we're just doing yoga together. Yeah, yeah. So they do something and it's like, oh, shit. Look at all the comments. It's getting, look at all the detraction. It's like, now this is my thing, you know? And then you ride that until people are like, okay, played out, seen it enough, then you do something else. He does weird shit. All right. So I got some crazy hacks for you that I found on the internet that are really... There was this site and it literally was like... It was titled something like Crazy Hacks. And I read some of them and I'm like, oh, are they real? So I'm gonna start with the first one that's kind of cool. And I checked up on it and I think... And it works. People are saying this works. Okay. You know how when you're driving and you go in that lane that you're not supposed to because you don't have the pass or whatever. And then you end up taking it in the mail and it's a picture of your license plate. You're like, oh, you owe 20 bucks or whatever. You could put clear skateboard grip tape over the license plate in which you could still see it. You could still see it from behind. But it distorts the digital thing. It looks like it's a blurred image. And it works. What a great hack. It works. They can't get your license plate. Oh, wow. We're gonna get your controls for sharing that one. I get hit with that all the time too. All the time. Here's another one. This one's kind of dickish. And then there's a funny one. Here's the dickish one. If you want free parking, find a garage that makes you take a ticket to keep track of how long you've been there. When you leave, instead of giving the machine the original ticket, you go get a new one and then give that to the machine and then you'll only be charged for like five minutes or free. Oh, yeah. It's... Sounds obvious. Yeah, it's obvious. Yeah, so what you do is... When you had to go in, you have to get the original one. So then you put that on your dash and you go park for four hours. Then when you leave this... You just walk through. You walk through for the Warriors game when we do that stuff. That's a good one right there. What? At that point, it's costing you like 60, 70 bucks sometimes just for a Warrior game. Yeah, I know those parts. I wonder if they have cameras. They do. Put the skateboard tape on your face. They do have cameras, but I doubt they're monitoring it that much. The skateboard tape all over me. I doubt... Just walk around with skateboard tape. Oh! What's kind of crazy is why didn't I not think of that? That's kind of a very obvious one. I don't know. Are you embarrassed that you didn't think of that? I am a little embarrassed that I didn't think of that. I feel like you're the guy that would know this. I would do that. Yeah, yeah. That's really bad. You're going to drive backwards in the end. If you drive backwards in the end. That's not a good idea. If you drive backwards, they give you money. That's not a good idea. Successful. You break the machine. We owe you money. All right, here's another one. This one's hilarious. This one maybe laughs so hard. If your girlfriend or wife or whatever has an annoying friend that you want her to just stop hanging out with, this is what you do. You just casually mention to your wife that you think her friend's pretty. That she's hot. Yes. Yes. I have one to add. So all of those bullshit fake parking spots at retail stores in garages and also what's included in that is electric vehicles that is not illegal for anyone to park in there. There's no laws. There's no laws. There's no online shopping. All of them. Online shopping. The only one I won't do is Expecting mothers? Yes. Okay, good. I was just going to say. Burrito loading zone? I'm in. Yeah. I'm fucking loading. Tell me I'm not. Tell me I'm not. I'm not sure about that one. I got to tell you a story. We did that once. Adam actually does this. I don't remember where we were. Whole Foods. This is back when you drove your... What was your big... Big Denali. It was a big Denali. It's just a gas guzzler. He parks an electric vehicle only. He pulls out and I'm like, this is like we only work together for like a year. I'm like, I don't think he can park. This is like nowhere to put this. Yeah. I'm like, there's nobody. Adam, I think you can park here. Adam takes out the electric park and puts it in his window. He puts it inside. And we walk away. All right, we just go inside. You know, some fucking snooty Prius chick was walked right by that person. Oh, you're killing me. I know. I can't believe that you did that. Like you guys get your own parking spots because you're... I got a clarification on that. Sorry, guys. But basically, you can either get fined or towed if the spot has the plug and charger and you take the spot. Oh, so that is... If it doesn't have the plug and charger, you're fine. Spoken like a Tesla owner. Oh! So these guys are like this. He's like, bullshit. This is bullshit. They're still like this. I just want to save all the people out there that are going to choose to park in that spot. So if it has a charging station, you can get a fine. Yeah. If it just says it, then you're fine. Yeah. I mean, even for people like that have the car that just don't plug it in. Oh, so you get a fine if you don't plug it in? You just leave it there all the time. Oh, well, that kind of makes sense. We can get towed. That makes sense. You know, other people can't use it. I wonder if that's one of those ones that you could be, but nobody's enforcing that bullshit. Bro, listen. If it says you can get towed, you know this is better than I do. Toe companies, that's what they do. They just circle around, waiting to pick people up. No, they make deals with those places. And by the way, putting anything on your license, over your license plate... Federal, right? Yeah, your tampering with your license plate is against the law. But it's clear. Yeah. You can see the law. You can see it, but it's still right now, when Andrew got this little disclaimer. I'm not so scared right now. Yeah, a little disclaimer on the video. You guys can do whatever you want. My pump does not encourage you to do any of these things we're talking about right now. I'm just thinking we're going to get sued. Nah, I'm not worried about that. I'm just trying to protect you. Yeah, right, Doug. Shout out. Hey, did I tell you guys about my necklace idea? Did I tell you guys? Oh, yeah. I was going to show up with a necklace with a lock on it. Yeah. Because it had a key. I wasn't going to say anything. I was going to have a lock. That'd be cute. My heart. I was going to pick it out like, wait, what's going on here? There's something special going on. Yeah. Best friends forever. Yeah. You have the key to my life. That might make me jealous. Did you guys do that? Did you guys ever have friend bracelets or anything like that with people? I think I did actually. Oh, my God. Really? I think when I was a young, really young kid, yeah. You and your buddy? No, I think me and my cousin. I think my family. Oh, that's family. I guess that's okay. And it was one of my girl cousins and she got it for me when I was younger. That's a little weird. Your girl cousin? Yeah. First or second? Really close. Like Alabama close or large? Yeah. Second's okay. I've heard. I've heard. Yeah. First. This is my first cousin. Yeah. That's not going on. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I think, you know, the ones where the heart's like half broken, I think she got me one of those when I was, I mean, God, I was probably nine years old. Yeah. The hands that like, goo like this. No, not the hair. How does that work? Oh, it looks like a heart. Yeah. It does. We should get one, Justin, two feet. Yeah. Toes interlock. Yeah. We've talked about doing that. Just so, so bad. To be the worst. It'll be terrible. Did I tell you, I know I told you guys off-hair. Did I tell the audience what my sister-in-law who did the foot thing on the banana? Did I say that? You did. Oh, okay. I don't know if I told the audience. She stepped on a banana, made money on fans all the way. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I think someone should look into that, Andrew. Maybe look into something like that we could do on the, on the side. Have you? Andrew, step on. Toes and hoes. Toes and hoes. Yeah. You find the talent. You build the page. What would you walk on, Andrew? Broken glass. Oh. Oh. Actually, that would be funny. I'd be interested in that. I'm sure. Anyway, let's get back to fitness here real quick. You know what's, you know what's funny that we haven't talked about in a little while is that, you know, our programs go through most, most of not all, I think all of our programs have phases and one of the ways that the phases changes because there's a lot of changes. But one of them is rep ranges. And we've talked about this before. Like there's value in low reps and moderate reps and higher reps. And all of them build muscle, all of them improve your physique, but switching through them is better than just sticking to one. However, I will say this and I've seen this with clients and I definitely seen this with myself. There's a rep range that you tend to just do the best with. There's that individual variants of rep ranges. And it always blows me away. I have not trained in a low rep range for probably three months because I was getting some aches and pains. So I was just doing like 12 to 15 reps. And I switched to low reps. And man, it's like there is nothing that gets my body to respond like low reps. Like I'm talking three reps for nothing. Yeah. You know, do you guys have, you're like me, right? Yeah. I have the same kind of experience. I think it's because I wonder if it's when you're, you know, sort of in that like developmental period where you're exposed to weight training and then like, you know, kind of permanent. Yeah. It's almost like a permanent sort of hyper responsive adaptation. Like, I don't know. That's because of prime your body. Yeah. I would just do compound lifts. That's what I did in the very beginning. Like it was the formative interesting. I don't know if that's the case. You should do one of those DNA tests. Maybe that's what stupid. What's your rep range that prove I'm reptilian on some low. You know what I 8 to 12, you know, I actually think that I've seen equal. Like, man, I wasn't until you guys when we started hanging out. I never trained less than five or six even. Like I was like, I never trained five by five and never trained three, you know, the three or three reps of anything or even singles. Like, and boy, my body responded when I did that. Now I wonder if that's just because you never did. So that's why that's what I'm getting at is that. So I don't know if that because I also get great results training 10 to 15 reps. Two. So I, you know, your performance in the gym is pretty balanced. I would say you know what I'm saying? As far as, yeah, I think like Justin and I, I'd like to think that I seem to do really well on the diverse. I think I'm the most diverse. You guys have like Justin is like the functional mobility guy. Like that's like he has to work really hard to make himself. Let's just, he hates it. And you're like Mr. Grinding strength, lift everything all super heavy. I think I have float around more effective, not necessarily what we enjoy and stuff is like Justin and I do very well with the lower rep stuff. His, his is probably more power. Mine would be more grinding, but still in that low rep stuff, like, like when you do those one rep max calculators with me, they're always off because my one rep max does not match what I can only do for 10 at all. I could just do way more for lower reps. I've seen you work out at them and you seem to be pretty balanced. You seem pretty balanced. Yeah. Well, I actually was going to feel that way is because you haven't trained long enough consistently enough in just the, you know, bodybuilder 10, 10, 15 super set that you never allowed your strength to get caught up to that. Like I can move like there's not a huge discrepancy between my one rep and then when I can do five, six, eight, 10 times. So to your point, like I'm not that I mean, obviously I'm a lot stronger on a PR versus what I'm doing 12 or 15 reps, but not, it's not as huge as you guys. Well, so I've done those in those higher rep ranges. I've done long bouts and super sets. And I've always like bodybuilding too, but like the difference between my two rep max and my one rep max doesn't make sense. I could add so much more weight to the bar and do one rep to what I could only do for two reps. It's not like, you know, typically it's like, oh, you can only do this for two, add 10. That's your one rep max. No, no, mine. Yeah, that's me. Mine for a lot of lives is like, it's not a huge discrepancy between even my three to three to five. Like if, I'm doing it three or five times or a weight pretty close to that. That's why I don't have this big jump when I go to a PR. But it's interesting. It's just something to pay attention to. So if you've been working out for a long time and you go through our programs, pay attention to the responses your body gives you with all the rep ranges and the phases. And then what you do as you individualize is you just stretch out the phases that you respond best to whenever you follow our program. So maybe phase three is five weeks instead of three or phase one or whatever. That's just one way to individualize your training so that's for the pursuit of strength, which is what you're alluding to right now. But I wonder if aesthetically the things that are more challenging and you suck at would provide better better aesthetics. So again, I'm going to tell you this because I'm also equally I love the muscle. Equally, I like the aesthetics. I blow up with the low reps. The moderate reps I get good results, especially if it's novel. But the I'll gain muscle so fast with the lower reps, which typically is in the case for people. The thing that I noticed that in what really shifted me like into training this way now way more consistently because of you guys is my whole life really up until the last like 10 years. I had I felt like I had this look where I get aired up in the gym. Yeah, and then it deflates and then I deflate so much I leave and to the point where I like sometimes would feel even in my mid 20s without it's like God, you can barely tell really work out enough. Obviously that there was a little dysmorphia there. Yeah, there's a little dysmorphia and insecurity there. But I notice a huge difference today after running so many like heavy cycles of sticks around. Yeah. Like I don't have as much of a like I don't I don't look that much crazier when I air up. Yeah, you're going to get a crazy pump doing sets of two. Right. But then when it's, you know, two days I haven't been in the gym. I look more muscular. That's a really common anecdote. I wish we had studies to support that. I don't even know but that's a very old common anecdote among bodybuilders is that low reps makes you look hard and gives you a granite look. Higher reps gives you more of a round full pumped look to your body. Yeah, to your point about like power I was thinking about that like my best sort of I feel like my physique or whatever actually like changes the most is when I'm like doing sprints or like with the sled and I'm doing like jump bro. I'm doing like a very explosive kettlebell work like shit that I'm like accelerating through and having like, you know as much weight as I can add but like that and I attribute that probably to all the years of training in athletics and how I had to just respond really quickly and then it was a lot of like really abrupt like fast speed like generate force and then stop. Yeah. Yeah, I think you guys are both better at that than me than like the like the one rep max training like the ability for you to call upon more and that one rep that's why I think I have that it's not that big of a difference between one and three or five reps the weight for me is because I'm lifting it the same way. Yeah, I don't Oh, I see what you're saying. Like because of all your sports training like that and because you love my header hanger. Yeah. So what I think is that I'm probably technically stronger you guys are just better at generating generating that one rep max so that's my my theory. I'm gonna stick to that. Probably true. More pretty I'm gonna stick to that. Stronger and amazing. That's the perfect time to talk about one rep max because we have a guy in our Instagram every week when we post our quaw meme he's asking what is your one rep maxes he's always asking us that he's asked that multiple times he uses multiple names each of us. Yeah. He wants to know what your one rep max is all time. We're like right now because I okay. Yeah. Right now. I think it's all time. Yeah. Here's what you're going to find Justin and I are going to go back and forth for first place. First third. I'm not. Second second second. I'm not the strongest. Just the base off. Shit on all. Yeah. Anything I've done. But no you're right. I think I'm the middle on I'm not the strongest in any one. Generally I've only I've only squatted 420. That's the most I've ever squatted my life. 420. I've never. I've never dead lifted more than 550. And my best bench press. Three. I cannot. 340. 315. For sure. I cannot remember if I hit 340 or not. Really? Let's say 315 because I can't throw in overhead press too. I've seen you do I've seen you do 315 on incline. I know. So maybe you've got to have at least a 315. Maybe it was 375 then. It was. No I've never hit four. It was 375. Okay. Maybe you're 365. Because you're right. I've done 315 on incline. No. No. You did three plates in a quarter. I remember. That was my highest. Why are you throwing an exercise none of us is talking about? Because that's the ones that I care about. I did a one on curl. I bicep curl. I bicep curl. Shut the fuck up. All right. And then overhead press. Do you know what that is? Because this do all four. Doug said. You know what? I've actually never in my life one rep. Because I've always been. So strict or push? Push. Come on. Okay. Yeah. Push. I've never one rep maxed out. 315. Fuck. Moose. But that's like college. Okay. That's so crazy. You can only bench press 250. That's so fucking weird. I know. What the fuck. A disproportionate weirdo. You can't even carry his own luggage. That's always been my strongest lift. Those overhead press. Yeah. I know. You've always been really good. I mean the bench I got. I got. Okay. What did you hit? 405. 405. 405. That's massive. Was the biggest I've ever did with that. Hold on. What was your squat? Squat. I got up to 455. I believe. I don't know. I got more. I think at 475. I might have hit. You did. I remember you saying that. I'm like behind you guys on everything. 475 would be the highest I got for that. But deadlift. No. I'd be like 405. Good. Deadlift is good. I feel better. So weak. You hit us with your with your shit. Okay. So my strongest bench was 365 ever. I can't even. I don't think I do now. But I did 365. Deadlift. Of course it's going to be at least the same. So there's nothing on my head. I just know it. It's like I did 366. 365 and a half. 366. With those fractional weights. The magnets on there. 365 bench overhead press, push press 225. Deadlift 605. And what am I missing here? So bench overhead press, deadlift. Squat. 450. I actually did 450 recently. It was the most I ever did. I've seen this on YouTube. I don't know if you know the answer to that. It was in the 20 years you were working on a 7-Hun. I want to try and get a 700 pound deadlift by the end of the year. But, you know, there's all kinds of stuff they can get in the way, mostly injuries. Yeah. I mean I really have never, you guys inspired that for me, I had never trained. I actually used to take a lot of pride in being the guy who was like I had never, why would I run I remember meeting Adam at Starbucks and I was just trying to like work with him again and you were like, just started getting to bodybuilding and you're fucking shoulders like this big, dude. You're like rich Piana fucking shoulders, bro. I was like, whoa, dude, Adam, you're huge. I, well, when we were doing that, I totally remember that phase because never had I, and I don't know if you guys recall this in your journey, but, you know, we've been training lots of people for a long time and we've been obviously reading and studying and we all have a bunch of national certification, Justin, with his degree. And for the first time in my life, I really felt like I truly applied all my knowledge. Everything. Yeah, everything I had and was disciplined to like, okay, what if I took what I know? Just obsessive. Yeah, and was obsessed about it. And I remember Justin and I would meet probably once a week and I'd go, bro, this is crazy. I'm like, this I'm tripping out. I'm noticing this. I see this. I never cared enough to apply it to that level of consistency. I'll tell you a memory with you guys. When we very first got that first studio over there in Willow Glen, the tiny little hole. Yeah. And it's like early mind pump is before we, and this is like within the first, how did it, when did we get that studio? Month three? Yeah, in month four. So this is like the fourth month. I've known you guys were working together and we were going for a walk down the street to get some lunch or something. And I'd never seen this in real life. Okay. Now remember, Adam is in the middle of bodybuilding. So he's competing. He's a pro. He just got his pro card. He's gonna compete in some pro shows. We're walking down the street. I've never seen this happen before in real life. Women across the street. Take your shirt off. I'm like, what the hell? Yeah. This is the weirdest thing. No shame. I was like, this is- A lady almost like crashed her car. Oh my God. Oh my God. He's so beautiful. I think there's something about when you do, when you build a physique to that, I think that even women think it's okay to do that. Like, can't call like that. Where guys do that shit all the time, right? But girls don't really do that. And I never experienced that. And you acted like- How many times have you been grabbed, dude? I started to get like hands in. He acted like, and it probably did. He acted like it happened all the time. He just kept walking. I wouldn't say- Those girls are screaming. I wouldn't say I haven't all the time, but I did experience that type of stuff when I got to that level. It was, you could feel it. You could feel people. I mean, when you- Well, you're also tall. When you're tall, that's very- Yeah, but you added in tall. And then for the first time in my life, I could really say like there was a period of time where anywhere I went, I was the most, well, I was the most jacked, dude. Like, I mean, when you work in gyms and stuff like that, that's not often. There's always a stronger guy, a bigger guy, or whatever guy, but for a period of time in my life, like everywhere I went, I was at. You also got to the limit of, because there's a point where you get too big where then just people are staring because you look like a grotesque freak, which all of us I'm sure would enjoy anyway, but you didn't get past that point. Yeah, I don't think I ever got to that. No, you were physique, right? So you were, I mean, extremely muscular, but you weren't like pro bodybuilder, like what is that mutant doing over there? So you just got that attention. But I remember that. I remember like them screaming. It was pretty hilarious. And I'm looking over like, what are they screaming at? And I'm like, those girls are screaming at Adam? And it happened again. Take your shirt off. Like this is the funniest thing I've ever seen in my life. Las Vegas, when I went pro with Katrina out there, I think she's so cool too. This is just another reason why I love my wife so much, like how she handled that. She's confident. Like we are at wet republic when David Guida is spinning. The place is completely sold out. So you're talking about like thousands of people in this place. And I had just came the night before I go pro. So like, Your peak stage. Yeah, I'm peaked out at Vegas, where there's a lot of great physiques and stuff like that. And so here I am at this pool party. And again, I'm the most jacked person in the entire place. So like the whole place. And I was up in this like VIP area. And the whole place like was, it got to a point where security came up and asked me, you'll have this line of women that want to come up and talk to you. And Katrina was just like, let him come in. Wow. And they all came in like, that's when you're like, I'm gonna have a baby with this woman. Yeah, oh dude, I just, Cause that's a turn on. Oh, such a dude. If you're with a woman that is that confident to where it doesn't phase her because she knows she has you. She has you. She literally has you when she's like that because it just makes you want her more. And people don't like or she doesn't like when I tell the original story. But I mean, those are the things for me because we've been in fitness for so long that I've met a lot of very insecure people. And so finding a woman that was that confident, that secure to where it was her who was just like, yeah, bring him all in. She's like holding the camera, you know? Girls are like, oh, you know, touching my chest and all over me and done. She's just like, you know, like I know, I know where he's going tonight. Like she had that, she had that swag about her where she didn't even trip on it. She's walking around with her trophy. Yeah. And you know, and I think back now and I'm like, dude, what a crazy, like that will forever be remembered as such an amazing like just weekend and moment for me. Like how easily if I was dating someone else in my life that could have like killed the whole thing. Like imagine I had an insecure girl. Well, man, jealous. I mean, not just an insecure girl but almost any other because that's a high level of security. There's security. Yeah, you're right. There's like, oh, this is disrespectful. Don't do that with my man, which is very understandable. Right. That's at like a level above security. So I think almost anybody else, it would have ruined the date because they would have felt so like. Yeah. And then potentially ruin a really important big day for a moment for me. Like I look back at that as like a top, top five moment in my life of that achieving that and being able to experience the whole part of feeling amazed like. I had a similar experience in the reverse. So let's go with Jessica. When we first started dating, we went to a party. I think I told this story a long time ago. We're at a party and this older guy is like kind of talking to Jessica or whatever. And then he comes up to me goes, man, you because your daughter's gorgeous. Like she's really pretty daughter daughter. And he's, and I'm like, she's not here. And he's like your daughter. I'm like, you think she's my daughter? Now, the reason why I had a reverse feeling of it is I kind of felt cool about it. Like, oh yeah. She looks, she looks that she's so hot. And she looks like she could be my daughter. Cool. Oh my God. And she's like, that guy did, he was just trying to tease you. I'm like, I think he literally meant that, honey. I think you really didn't mean that. I looked at old, but whatever, whatever. It's good with me. Anyway, I'm going to change gears here. A little AI talk. I read an interesting article that is fascinating because obviously we've talked about AI so many times on the show, but AI has flipped something so hard on its head that I find this so fascinating, so interesting and a bit ironic. For the longest time we've been communicated to or kids have been told that the jobs you need to get if you want to be stable, secure, create wealth or make good money is white collar, white collar jobs, white collar jobs, work at a desk, work on a computer. I know you're going. Program. I'm reading articles now that are literally saying the jobs that will get taken away, that'll get replaced first and quickly by AI are all white collar jobs. The last jobs to be taken over will be the blue collar ones. Plumbers, electricians. They're going to be the only employee people. I've been sounding that alarm, dude, since day one. I mean, how weird will that be and interesting? The people with jobs are going to be plumbers. Well, that will create too, by the way. It's a higher demand there, lower there. Increased productivity on the white collar side so you can less expensive scale grow there and then the things that you just can't, that'll drive the price up to that. Could you imagine if our society would flip like that? That's such a flip. I mean, just look at just your general landscape of people like, do you think that like most people have skills to fix things or even know how to do that? No. They just don't. It's not even like- More than ever now. More than ever. And it's, again, it's, that's not going away because shit breaks. And we need like physical, capable people to come in and that's going to be in high demand always. And for people wondering why this is the case, to make, to have AI be able to do white collar jobs is easier because it's all done on a computer. It's all done internet. Blue collar jobs require a physical robot to be able to go in, maneuver and fix things. That's way out still. Which requires far more technology, far more advanced technology. Well, look at where the 3D printing houses are right now and compared to a custom house contractor bills. I mean, nobody's running to go buy those. Yeah, it is not even close. It's cool that we have something that can do that. Buying a robot electrician would cost you a million dollars, right, versus an actual human. So, is that weird and wild how it's flipped on its head? It's strange, but it's kind of cool. It is kind of cool. I do think it's kind of cool. It's like almost like it's getting us back to the things that are- Is it like our little ones, like my two year old? Is that what I'm going to tell them to do? Be an electrician. Yeah, you got to go do like, go work with your grandfather. Have them teach you how to do construction because that's going to be the job. Right. That's wild. Yeah, I've had my boys shadowing. My dad's been teaching them like woodworking skills and things and yeah, I would love that if there's like metal shop, there's auto shop, there's like things that they can learn and like hands-on kind of learning. It's just like one of those things they just don't incorporate that at all in our schools anymore. They've gotten rid of it, haven't they, in most schools? Yeah, I did it. Like, you know, I did all the shops just because I enjoyed it. You know what they do is school does not prepare you for life at all anymore and the story. They used to also teach, did you guys know this? My mom told me this. I didn't know this. When she went to school, they used to teach you how to balance a checkbook, what a home mortgage is, what interest rates are. Really? Yes. She learned all that. She learned how to write a check in school. What era? This was in the 70s. Yeah, I think it was, was it home ec? No, it was something else. But they taught her that in school. Kids now don't know how to do a damn thing in the real life. Did you like that? I didn't. No. You don't really remember that, do you? Pardon? Do you don't remember anything like that? I don't remember anything like that. Did you remember anything that you got from like grade school that was of value to? Or high school? Not a lot, really. I know seriously. Nothing practical. Yeah, that's what I mean. Like really think back. Yeah, but you had music. We did have music. And art and PE. And PE. So those three are gone. You know how many elementary schools now or junior highs? It's all extracurricular if you like, or you know, you have to find those clubs and you have to like... He is ashamed to have creative healthy people, you know? Yeah, God. I know, isn't that crazy? We got rid of those things and they're so important. So anyway, yeah, we'll see. I've been along the lines of education, you know, Jessica and I are pretty set that we're gonna educate the younger ones through homeschooling, which basically means just... I can't wait to hear that process. We're gonna facilitate it, right? Is what it is. I was reading some statistics on it and talking to people. And I have friends that do this and very successful with it. And one of my friends is like, he goes, dude, he goes, my kids ace all the standard tests. And we do approximately one to two hours of schooling a day. He goes, I don't know what they're doing in these schools. He goes, but they literally, the schooling part is like one to two hours a day and they'll ace all the standard tests, no problem. Everything else they do is like real hands-on, like going out, playing, building, taking them to places, that kind of stuff, right? Museums, that kind of stuff. You know that article I brought up the other day about the average time that dad spends, face time with a kid? It was actually like a pro homeschooling article that I was talking about that that's one of the greatest values of these parents that are homeschooling their kids. Is it just, it forces that face-to-face time of like teaching and educating, going back and forth and having dialogue with your child and just the value of it? I wanna give you another example. So one of the things that parents who think about this are like, how am I gonna do that? Is they're like, how am I going to, because one of the tenets of homeschooling is that you follow the child, right? Because a child that's passionate about something will learn so much just because they're into it. I think on those as kids, like you have your kid that struggles in school but then they can name every Pokemon or they can tell you every Lego because they're into it, right? So that's one of the things you do is you, and so parents are like, well, how do I get them to learn math if they hate math? They have to learn math. Or how do I get them to learn to write because they hate to write? I'll give you guys an example. So I had a friend whose kid they did this and you explore and they just, all of a sudden they just had this path. For a second, right? It wasn't forever, but for a couple of years just loved cooking, loved cooking. Well, how they learned math through measurements with cooking, fractions with cooking, how they learned how to write. They started writing recipes and blogs around cooking because they were into it. They learned all the skills but based through or filtered through this thing they're passionate. Now wrap your brain around what happens when AI gets involved in that, how much better that's gonna be. Imagine this, so to your point, you're making right now. So like my son comes home right now. Hey, can you teach my kid this? Or like this. So he had this little worksheet and it's like, you know, they're trying to get him to even learn addition right now which is crazy right at three years old. And it's like, you know, it'll be like four apples visual and then it'll say four underneath it and then it'll be plus one apple. Like he's at the point where he's just adding one more to figure out what the next number is, right? But imagine if I could input into AI like make this Angry Birds. Oh yeah. And so it's like, he knows all the characters from Angry Birds and if it's like four Angry Birds plus one more, you know, red or whatever that is. Yeah, we need five Angry Birds to break this building. Yes, I could just see like his, he would be even more into it because of that. And so imagine tools like that that you can do. Wasn't that sort of Elon Musk was kind of bringing that up in terms of like creating more of a gamified like video game experience of education and how effective that was. I remember him talking about that and I was like, yeah, it just that takes a lot of creativity and a lot of thought to be able to do that. So the AI would definitely accelerate that. You know, and the reason why this conversation is coming up is I showed Jessica that clip that I showed you guys. I don't know who the woman was, I'd love to find this talk, but she talks about how the traditional education system is so damaging to so many kids. And she essentially said something like this, we artificially segregate our children into same age groups. The reason why it's artificial is that never happens in the real world where kids are only around their own peers. You force them to be sedentary all day long. So sit still indoors all day long. Kids naturally would never do that, but this is what we force them to do. Then we teach them through artificial textbooks, essentially. Here's what you're learning. Here's what we're gonna read in a textbook versus contextualized in the real world, which is how they would normally learn. And so she said, it's no wonder that there's a significant percentage of children that have to be drugged in order to be able to follow the system and why there's so many children that feel like they're failures. And the reason why this resonates with me so strongly is I, you guys know me, I love learning. It's one of my favorite things to do. I love learning. Hated school. I'm in the place where you're supposed to learn and I hated it because it was- Yeah, I didn't even realize how much I loved learning till I was out. How sad. Yeah, that's how I felt too. I didn't think I liked really true learning. Because you didn't like school. Yeah, because I didn't like school. And then when I found things that I was passionate about, I quickly realized. It's so funny though, because when I look back, I remember my parents, they used to use me like a little party trick when their friends were over. They would like, and God, I had to be, let's see here, I'm in that house. Under fourth grade. So I had to be like third grade or whatever. And they would have me come in. At this point in my life, I'm hardcore into like collecting baseball cards and I love sports already. And they would have, like watch Adam do this and they would quiz me on like teams, players, the stats, all sort of that. And I'd be able to like rattle all. Oh wow. And it's because I spent hours and hours and hours in my bedroom- You were passionate. Looking at the baseball cards and reading their stats and how many years they played and what their batting average was and how many home runs they hit and RBI's and like all these things like that. And it's like, dude, like obviously I had a passion to learn and study, you read something like that. It's just that it was baseball. So I- Imagine if it was fostered. Right, like maybe if we used that as a way of teaching me and educating me other things, it's like boy, that would have been, probably would have been a smart kid. All right, I'm gonna take another left here. So I want you guys to guess the top two things that people, both men and women, use to judge attractiveness or that they'll look at and observe that will determine someone's attractiveness. Two physical things. Symmetry. Okay, so symmetry is, I'm sorry, tough three things. Symmetry's up there, yes. Symmetry's one of them. Okay. So what does it do more? Two more. So symmetry. Yes. It's gotta be a physical, like healthy- Hygiene. Yeah, like- More specific. Okay, so like, like- Well, I mean- Good skin. Muscular. Skin is the other one. Oh, okay. Skin is the other one. Not muscular. No, that's up there, but it's not one of these top ones. Yeah. Okay, so I've got two right now. So- So symmetry, because that just shows good DNA health. Skin, because your skin will demonstrate whether or not- Oh, teeth. Good call. Good call. Skin, skin and teeth. But skin, and this is for both men and women, having good skin demonstrates good health. And it's above all the other stuff that we think about. Those are all measures of health. It's above all the other things that we talk about when it comes to attractiveness, which leads me to our partner, Caldera. I get compliments. Great partner. I get compliments on that because of that. Your skin. I mean, I just did my, I had the day in the life yesterday, right? I know this is different, a day, air day, whatever that, but for when this happened, when we recorded, I did it yesterday and was sharing that. Like, I religiously use that face cream because I can see such a difference. There's not a lot of things that you can do, you know, or buy, you know, or take, or it's just like you see- Profound. Yeah, profound difference, like right away. Like it's a profound difference on how much it makes my skin look better, healthier, younger. It looks like it takes years off my life. Same here. Yeah, I'm sold. Which is funny because- We did not wanna- Never thought I'd do that. We never thought that would be a part, but I mean, sold me, so. We got a shout out? Justin does. Yeah. Okay, so I have an interesting shout out. This is one just because it's a fun one, right? So this is a, basically it's a group of guys that are in this band and they play songs, like they just do instrumentals for a lot of like hit like rap songs and like gangster rap songs and like notorious B.I.G. And like you got like Snoop and all these like, so anything you'd heard that was like normally synthesized, like they'll play on guitar, drums. Oh cool. And like a keyboard and like they just groove these. So every day I just like a new one pops up and it's like totally like, you know, just a cool jam to listen to, so I put it out there. What's the name? Where'd they go? OMA.UK. OMA.UK, all right cool. Hey, real quick. You heard us talking about peptides. One in particular is BPC 157, but there's a lot of peptides out there and they're pretty remarkable. They've been shown to burn body fat, help improve recovery, healing, build muscle, stimulate growth hormone output. This stuff is legit, it's real, but you want to go through a doctor and you want to go through a pharmacy. The stuff that's online, who knows what's in it. It's all research chemicals, no joke. That's how they're selling it. So we work with a group at mphormones.com. Go there, fill out the questionnaire, meet with an expert and a professional and get actual doctor prescribed pharmaceutical made peptides. Again, it's mphormones.com. All right, back to the show. First question is from Emma Rosa B. How can I get a solid core? No bang in the abs, but a really strong engage core. How do you train to naturally engage them in normal day-to-day activities to prevent injury? Oh, heavy carries, nothing will give you a core that could brace heavy carries. Now of course you have the traditional planks and stuff like that, but you want to talk about real world stability? I don't think Eugene Tau would agree with that. Yeah, I saw him talk about that. That's a good example of the bodybuilder slant, right? You're a bodybuilder so everything's gonna be kind of slanted in that direction. But anyway, heavy carries, nothing's gonna do that to your core like heavy carries. And don't wear a weight belt because a weight belt changes muscle recruitment patterns, but when you're doing heavy overhead carries or rat carries or farmer walks or suitcase carries, like your core has to engage through locomotion, right? Through walking. And so you learn to brace and stabilize your core and it strengthens in that position. It really, really does a good job on protecting the spine. So I mean, I can't think of anything. I love rotational and anti-rotational stuff too. So like heavy dumbbell rows and training them in one phase with putting emphasis on keeping your hips and spine and everything completely straight and rigid while you're in that place. So you get kind of the anti-rotational benefits from it and then actually training a phase where you incorporate rotation into the row. I think there's lots of benefits there. Wood chops I think are really good for it. So what you said, I think for like a solid stable, like I think that I agree with that for sure, but then definitely having some sort of a rotational anti-rotational component because that's normally when you see injury is when somebody moves in that manner and they just haven't trained. Yeah, and also to being able to control. So if you work through the strength part of it and you work your way more towards power, like so with core being able to accelerate with rotation and be able to control that as well and decelerate. So for instance, like you're throwing a medicine ball and you're tossing it laterally to be able to generate that kind of force to explosively throw something with weight, but then also be able to control your body back and ground yourself. So those are both those elements you're talking about in terms of rotational ability, anti-rotational ability is gonna protect your spine on any of those because if you think of when most people get some kind of injury, it's a very like quick explosive movement that they haven't prepped their body for and their body overreacts or underreacts. Yeah, that's a good point. But notice we picked exercises that are non-traditional too, right? Yeah, we didn't say crunches later. Obviously your standard sit-ups and things with that add value, right? They'll develop, they'll musculary develop. Yeah, I feel like it's more the aesthetic angle, right? Versus having a really solid functional core. Like your ability to carry something over your head really heavy and walk and keep stable and spine or throw a ball explosively to the left or the right is like that you wanna have a really strong core. That is a really strong core. It's the ability to do that really well. You can have beautiful looking abs from doing crunches all day long and dieting, but you could fold like a lawn chair as soon as you put something over your head. So that is a more functional strong core. Yeah, and when I used to do this with clients, you wanna talk about ways of preventing back injury or even alleviating back pain. One thing too with the heavy carries is the goal is to, you wanna walk with crazy stability. So you don't want sway or, so that's too heavy. You should be able to walk real steady, real controlled heel-toe, heel-toe and have a really strong brace core because what we're trying to train is stability. Not how much weight I can hold. If you have the luxury to do this, I love to do that barefoot. I like to take my shoes off and walk real slow. And like you said, I'm feeling every step in the ground. For me, I have a slight anterior pelvic tilt. So my ass sticks up and out a little bit. So I'm actually kinda tucking my tailbone and engaging my core while I have it overhead. And I'm thinking about every step as I walk across the grass really slow. So I have to kinda lighten the load. Even though I can do heavier weight over my head, the point you're making is something that you have to think about or also defeats the purpose if you just kinda put whatever you can handle. Next question is from the Cardamone One. What are the best exercises to work the lower lats? Okay, so the lats are interesting because the attachments of the lats do run kind of along the sides there of the back. So you can emphasize a little more on the lower versus the upper, although this is a bit of splitting hairs. So what I'm gonna say is really about just targeting the lats more than other back muscles. And that would be a pull-up or a pull-down. Nothing, that is a very direct lat exercise. Now, lower lats, if we're trying to target them more, and again, this is splitting hairs, so I don't think it's gonna make a huge difference, but you wanna be able to feel the stretch and the lower lats. So a closer grip with a stretch at the top would be able to do that. So like a close grip pull-down or a close grip pull-up will give you that stretch at the top. And again, it's a direct lat exercise. Whereas a row, rows are great general back exercises, but you're also gonna engage a lot of rhomboids, metropesias, and other muscles in the back. But if it's just like pure lats, like those pull-down and pull-up movements, like you can't beat those. So I'm gonna give a non-traditional movement because I do think that those are like your go-to. Like if you were to do the big rocks, like make sure you're checking that. You gotta be doing a pull-up. You gotta be doing some sort of a lat pull-down, wide and narrow. To me, that's like the staple. I also think that most people kind of know that. One of the biggest gains I saw on my lats when I was competing was when I started to snatch grip deadlift. Snatch grip deadlift. Just needing to stabilize. Yeah, I think just because it creates almost like this heavy isometric contraction for the lats in order to stabilize the position and to load. I mean, I could do that with over 315 pounds. There is no lat pull-down, no pull-down, nothing I'm doing that is over 315 pounds. And so, and I didn't do it with that intent. Like I didn't go into snatch grip deadlift. Like, oh, I want to build my lats. Like I was literally just getting good at that. And it built my lats. Because it has to stabilize. If you think about the positioning, right, as you're bending over and standing up, the lats are contracting. And because your arms are wide, they really have to stabilize. And it's novel. It was such a novel movement to my body. I had done a million lat pull-downs pull-ups. And that was what, map strong? Yeah. Yeah, map strong. I noticed something similar. Did you mention heavy pull-overs at all? Ooh, wow. That's a direct lat exercise. Yeah, and I don't really miss that one. I don't know about lower or whatever, but like definitely the stretch of that is like, for me, is humongous. No, great. I don't know how we miss that one. That's a must also. One of my favorite, there's only, there's a few machines that I'll put up there with free weights for me. And one of them is, yeah. Nautilus pull-over machine. I love that machine. There's a lot of pull-over machines, and I like most of them, but the old school Nautilus pull-over machine. Or the chain. With the chain? Yeah. I mean, you, I mean. You can use that one, yeah. Oh, that was like, I never felt my lats isolate. There's a blue one at the, the, the golds, which is I think American barbell now that's off of Monterey Road. That's the last time I used one. Yeah. Yeah. That's a great, that's a great machine. That one you'll find, like Arthur Jones, you know, having Casey Weider or Mike Mencer use, and they used to prescribe it before pull-downs, but they would do pre-exhaust or whatever, but I love that. Yeah, I don't know how. But just tumble-pull-overs. Yeah, I don't know how we let that slip all the way to Justin and not say that. I think we would all agree. Well, I, I want to leave him. I just, yeah. Yeah, I tell you what though, the, all the things we just named right there, you build that into your routine. You're going to hit some lats. Yeah, you're going to build some lats. Next question is from Ex-Samexer. Can you guys please give your opinion on meal prep companies? Do you think they're worth it for someone who's extremely busy? I find myself not really eating much because of work, so I wonder if I should invest in these expensive meal prep companies to maintain a good nutritional intake. They are extremely valuable if you're very busy, because now there's a lot of, okay, I have to preface this. There's a lot of meal prep companies. They're all the same. They're not all equal, yeah. Yeah, who's the one that's- Daily Dose. Daily Dose is the best one I've had so far. They're very health-focused, meaning macros are good, ingredients are good. They're not going to, you know, it's not like eating out, right? It's almost like- It's grass-fed meat. It's almost like you're sourcing. It's really good, it's really good, really well sourced. And if you're trying to be fit, healthy, hit macros, also stick to whole natural foods and have convenience, I don't know a better way to do it than a meal prep company, because otherwise what will end up happening is either A, you have to prep yourself, B, you're going to have to eat out a lot, or C, you're going to have to process foods. And eating out, you don't know what kind of oil they use. They're heavy-handed or underhanded with the ingredients. Processed foods, we know why that's not a great idea. And then of course, if you're busy prepping yourself, it's kind of out of the question, so. I am a huge fan of this stuff. The only reason why we are not officially sponsored by a meal prep company is because the ad doesn't make sense. The margins are not big. The margins are so small that and our commercials are so expensive that we would have to sell a trillion things of food for it to justify the spin. So the reason why we don't work with a company is purely that. It's not because we're not fans of it or we don't use it. I mean, right now our friend is sending over, Don Saladino is sending over from his company, The Daily Dose, as like just a solid hookup. He's just taking care of us. And by the way, here's another thing I hate about meal prep companies is it's so hard for me to say gluten-free, dairy-free. I said that to him. Everything they've sent me is gluten-free, dairy-free, everything. So they have those specifications. I think there's so much value in this. If you're someone who's disciplined, who will eat the meals and be consistent with it and you're okay with like that, like having pre-packaged something. Some people are weird about that. Like some people are just like, oh, I have to have fresh made every day type of stuff. And it's like. But this one's fresh, it's not frozen. No, I know. It's all frozen. What I mean by fresh is like freshly made. Making yourself. Yeah, making yourself. And so you have to assess if you're that type of person. If you're willing to follow it, oh my God, it's of great value. One of the greatest challenge of sticking to a diet is having something prepared for you. That's it. That's why I meal prep personally. That's why on Sundays we tend to do that. I just did a video of me doing that for the next day with Katrina yesterday. Like having what I have learned in my experience training and dieting myself even competitively is that if I don't have something prepared and ready for me, the likelihood that I'm gonna make a good choice is extremely low in comparison to when I have something ready. If I've got something ready, then it's just purely a mental discipline. It's like, oh man, I'm craving those chips or oh, I really want some fast food or oh, ice cream sounds so good. But I know I have a meal in there. Then it's literally, I just have to discipline myself to like go over there, heat that meal up. As soon as I start taking bites of it, I'll already forget that thing I'm craving. I won't even worry about it. And if I don't have something ready and those cravings hit me, oh, it's way harder because then I go, oh, I gotta make something and what do we have? Do I have to go to the grocery store? And then you end up like, okay, well I'll eat out. And then there's another option. Yes, so yeah, I'm a huge fan of this. Yeah, I mean, look, some of the greatest success I ever had with clients who were busy was through working with these companies. And then they would just have everything set up for them. And then they would do something like, well, Saturday I like to go out and enjoy myself. So that's the only day I don't do this. But they would have four meals ready to go. You go in your fridge, pull them out. Here's what I'm eating today, don't deal. Even if it's just like, the one meal you know is the worst, right? Like it's a lunch, because you usually skip it or it's one of those things that like your whole day can just like easily get away from you. Like at least if you have that one thing that's like controlled, I think it's valid. I do like two prep meals a day. That's kind of my thing. You do a breakfast lunch or lunch? No, the middle ones, right? So breakfast cycle, I'll make like our meal one, the creatures of habit, that'll normally do that for our breakfast. It'll be my lunch, I don't know if you call it two lunches because I do like two in the middle of the day, right? So the two in the middle of the day. I normally do my meal one, or if it's on the weekend we make breakfast and then Katrina makes dinner every single night. So it's the two in the middle that make the most sense. I do wanna stress this again. These meal prep companies are not all created equal. And I say- You shout out Daily Dose, Daily Dose is fine. That's the one, that's the 90% or just I didn't like. I do think- Doug, do you know if they do something for our audience? Do they get a kick, do they get a deal? Yes, we do have a link, it's mpdailydose.com and there's a code for 20% off your first order. It's a mind pump 20, so they could use that. Next question is by Health by Nicky J. Are high protein diets actually bad for longevity? No, this is so terrible. So here's what this myth comes from, the fact that protein- Who was it that did these studies that said this first? It doesn't. Who got popular? Okay, so there's studies that show if you go calorie restricted for a long time you expand, you extend longevity. Okay, by the way, there's quality of life and then there's longevity. Will you live longer kind of starving yourself your whole life versus fueling yourself probably? I'm not saying over eating it, I'm just saying fueling yourself probably. Are you gonna have the same quality of life? No, I don't know if you wanna feel weak and tired all the time. So maybe, and then quality of life contributes to longevity as well, so maybe not even that. But this comes from studies that show that protein activates mTOR, mammalian target repamycin, and mTOR signals muscle growth. mTOR also causes cancer cells to grow. So people go, we need to keep mTOR down so that we can reduce cancer. No, there is a very big difference between having cancer and what you need to do versus not having cancer and what you need to do. You know what fuels cancer? Fats, carbs, proteins, amino acids, like food, like almost anything that you fuel cells fuels cancer. So in a pro cancer environment, you don't wanna stimulate mTOR. When you don't have cancer, totally fine. And mTOR is a good thing. It builds muscle, enhances recovery, that kind of stuff. Protein is great for longevity. I would make the argument that a high protein diet is one of the best things you can do for longevity because if you tease out with those studies, try and show with the mTOR, I would say that most people that run a high protein diet also eat a lower calorie diet and those people would eat less, stay lower body fat percentage, the lower body fat percentage is going to play. I have to mention muscle preserving. I mean, in terms of longevity and having strength and being able bodied, I feel like, there's a whole nother sort of argument in that direction of like, so you're talking about quality of life, but it's like what we're finding out more about how protective muscle is and compared to like, you know, other methods for staving off diseases and potential internal problems. A top five reason for dying when you get older is you fall down. Yeah, you break your hip and then it's like a death sentence. Because you're weak, because you don't have muscle and your bones are weak as a result. Now, a high protein diet that's also super high calorie and full of garbage? So glad you said that because I know somebody that is listening to what I just said is going to be like, I've seen studies that say the opposite of that, but those are the studies that show people that eat high protein with processed foods. So eating, you know. Or just too many calories. Yeah, somebody eats 5,000 calories a day and 4,000 if it comes from McDonald's, Jack in the Box, and they hit the high protein, but they also eat tons of saturated fat, tons of extra calories. And so in the context of that, my statement is not true. If you eat a high protein diet and it's based on whole foods, you will live longer. Yeah, if you compare healthy diets that are appropriate calories and you take a bunch of identical people with identical lifestyle, some of the diets are high protein, some of the diets are moderate protein, some of the diets are low protein, you'll find that the high protein diets are probably better than the other ones or at least as good as the moderate ones in terms of longevity. Now, in terms of strength, muscle, quality of life, high protein is superior. So don't be worried about this. Now, those other people say, oh, what about your kidneys? Unless you have kidney disease, in which case your nephrologist will tell you what to do and sometimes actually tell you to increase your protein, you're fine. Your kidneys are totally fine. They process protein, no problem. And protein was what we probably ate a lot of at times as hunter-gatherers because the ultimate food that you were after was animal. It just was the most nutrient dense. It made you survive. What's that famous poster or whatever? There's a Native American word for vegan, bad hunter. Like you're, you're, you know, we survived by eating a lot of protein, animal protein. So no, this is not bad for longevity. Look, if you like Mind Pump, if you want more workouts from us and you don't wanna buy a maps program, go to Instagram, Mind Pump Media, subscribe for under $5 a month, get a brand new workout every single day, Mind Pump Media on Instagram.