 Every time he announces his name and he can find me at Ambi Zineshke and you can find me at... Where else would you be or claret here? Oh, and claret by the road. Every Saturday? Every Saturday. Not Friday and Saturday. Nakombi ya. We can say at least we can, you know... Kidogo too. We can hang out Kidogo Kidogo. See, ele migi sana kama ya. You know who? Small small. Ele small small. Next interview. Very, very interesting. COVID-19 never sent it okay. A lot of people have been out of work because obviously we need to follow the government directives and stay home whenever possible. But unfortunately, pia bada kuna... The extreme cases in Mali umtomilus their job. So we want to talk about remote work. And our guest today is Agwayu. I hope I'm pronouncing this properly. Yes. I was practicing even before the interview. Agwayu Museliwi. Yes. Yes. You said it right. Perfect. Agwayu Museliwi. Kariwukweni the E-Circuit. Thank you very much. Now let's talk about your work with the startup link. Before that, let's talk about your schoolwork. How you got started. So, I studied landscape design from J-Quart. Okay. Jujub boys. Thank you. And when I finished, I was looking for jobs, but I didn't want necessarily a 95 job. I didn't feel like that was in me. So I started doing research, trying to find flexible ideas that I can be able to do. Yes. And then I started... My first search was work from home. Then work from home and then I learnt about remote work. And then I started searching for jobs. And I remember when I was starting, I didn't know anyone who was doing anything in the remote space. And I was telling my mom about it and she was like... So it was tough to interview Paletaun. She wants to see you in the morning going to work. Yes. I think she was finding a local interview safer than waiting for something that... I don't dream of talking happy. And started waters. Yes. But then, to make her happy, I think I had only one in-person interview. And I was like, I'm going for an interview today. She was like, That is very nice. And so I did that one, that one-time interview and I know I botched it very badly because it's not what I wanted. Was it intentional? I don't think so. But subconsciously, when you talk about interview... You want ready for that job. Yes, I was like... Apostamek. Then I started... Then I got my first interview for remote work and I was so happy. And then when I started looking for jobs, mom was like, It's okay. You just do what you want. But then one time I was... When you're working remotely, you start making friends and stuff like that. So I was talking to someone on Facebook group. He had posted something and I was like, I'm very interested. I'd like to know more. And coincidentally, that person was my boss for Startup Blink, who was Eli David. And so we had an interview and it's a whole process and then I ended up getting the job. This was I think a year after my graduation. Yes. Nice. So thus far, how's the journey in remote work? I really like it very much because I'm very flexible. How are the hours? I think that's the main question people back at home would want to know. Yes. The hours depend on the company that you're working for. Even in Kenya right now, you're working for U.S. company. It means that you're a night owl. So you don't have to sleep and then you sleep during the day. And if you're working for like a European company, then that means you're probably on the same time zone. So you just work during the day and sleep normally at night. But it depends on the discipline because an employer might tell you, I need five hours from you every day. So those five hours, it all depends on you. You do whatever you want as long as you finish those five hours. So you have to plan your day. It might be flexible but you have to have a plan during the day that this is what I'm going to do and I'm going to take a break at this time and I'm going to do this text. Nice. Neshke, what's the remote work? I don't know. I don't know. I think about it. But anyway, I just want to learn more. But with the remote work, I'm guessing it requires more discipline. Yes, exactly. Because you know with the nine to five, you're there. So you have no option other than to work because what else will you do in the office. But when you're at home, there's all these other distractions. Yes. The fridge is there. Yes, exactly. So how was it? Was it difficult to initially gain that discipline? Yes. It is kind of difficult. But at the same time, I think I have amawakaholic. So my problem was taking a break. Yes. My biggest problem was taking a break. She doesn't have that problem. That's something the youth need to have as a problem. And I remember I used to work till 12 midnight and my mum would come and be like kwa ni oni kazi gani? Yes. But now I've just learnt to have a system where if I am working during the day, I take breaks after like every one hour because I'm looking at the computer the whole day. So take a break after one hour, go to the gym in the evenings, you know, stuff like that. Now let's talk about now remote work, set a blink aside. What would you advise the youth in terms of remote work? Is it something they should definitely go after? Yes. I think it's something they should go after. I think it's something that has so much possibilities considering that every youth right now has access to a smartphone, has access to a laptop. So if you have access to a smartphone and the internet, you can start from there. And remember when I was starting, my biggest problem was the Kenyan space is full of content creators. So it's either you were doing something with YouTube or you're writing or you're editing and stuff like that and that was not my space. But there's a lot of potential in that space alone. And then you have these classic jobs like what I am doing or a design job or administrative jobs because they are there virtually. So all you have to do is like start your research and I tell people to start with Facebook because I don't use Facebook personally all the time but I mean a lot of remote work groups and you can find you can always find something there. There's always some work to be found there. Yes, there's always some work to be found there. Join as many remote groups as you can. Digital nomads and work from home groups. What's the salary range? I think you're right. If we're being honest but this is something we need to address even before we continue the interview. When it comes to your first job because I know a lot of fresh graduates are watching the show I think the most important thing is gaining that experience. First of all the most important thing is breaking into that space because it will take a while. You can decide that you want a paying job immediately or you can decide to do an internship. You immediately want to buy the bends and that will be exactly. Yes, but that's going to be very disappointing for you. So if you decide that you want to buy the bends immediately my friend Tashinda Apu so I think the best way to get into this space is to accept an internship and internships there are some that do pay and some that don't pay but most of the remote employees are very conscious on how much energy that you are using or time that you are using so they always give you something small either you can get it for wifi or you can get something small for your laptop. This to see how you work. Yes, yes because they are putting blind trust in you so they have to make sure that the space that you are in is a good one to be able to deliver the job. Now once you established as a remote worker what's the salary range? The salary range depends on the type of company you are going for. If you are lucky enough and get an American company that is like really good money because they pay by the hour. Give us a rough. I don't have a number but I do have a number. What is your number? How much do you spend on the spirit road? I don't know but I don't know how much I spend on spirit road. So it all depends on how much you spend but for American companies they do from 7.5 dollars per hour. Wow, okay. So that's really good money in Kenya. That's about a 700 plus shilling power. So that's 800 Bob per hour depending on the hours you put in. Yes, depending on the hours that you put in. So that's 750 per hour and then you can go from there depending on the hours that you are putting in. I don't know but I don't know and I don't have a smartphone. I don't have a smartphone and I don't have a laptop. Yeah, your phone is not just for this weird social there's this new thing. TikTok. You can make money out of this thing. This thing. You can make some money out of it. Yeah, anyway. If you are somewhere interdraming your shoes I know. I'll tell you some English. If you are looking for like a European company that one is a bit less I think they started like 3 to 4 dollars per hour which is not really bad. Especially if you are starting. So 3 to 4 dollars per hour or again sometimes it depends on the contract you have the employer because I tell people that when you go into the remote work space always make sure you have a contract because you don't know these people probably never going to miss these people. Yeah and you've not met face to face yet. Yes, you've not met face to face. You don't know how real they are. So if they give you a job make sure that these are contracting place. The negotiation might take like 2 months but at the end of the day you're going to be on the safe side. You know with the remote work it reminds me of something that was actually popping a while back. You remember those PTC jobs pay to click jobs. You remember them. A lot of people are trying to deviate away from them because of now the money part because it was you're there for hours then at the end of the day you have like a dollar. So how different is it? I genuinely don't about PTC jobs and I personally try and stay away from freelance websites like Upwork and Fiverr especially if you're starting it might be really hard to establish yourself so as much as you might join those websites always try and find other interviews but I know people in Upwork who are making like 2-3 thousand dollars every month so they're already established. So it just depends. So the key thing is to become established. Yes, yes. And just like with any other job start where you are. Yes. Start where you are. Just like Mambua Upwork, Tafadali if you get that internship get that internship and start where you are. Yes, take the internship. Like the biggest I know that there are some people who are thinking oh Nikipatao interview what should I do and everything but I've been coaching people and we talk about how to pitch yourself in an interview both using your CV and the cover letter because you're not going to meet this person face to face so you're probably going to the first interaction you'll have is through the email so you talk about how to pitch yourself in the email and then how to pitch yourself on your CV even though you're still starting because I started from somewhere obviously. Speaking of starting from somewhere let's say you're just a youth somewhere or graduate or maybe you're trying to pay your own school fees and what would you need how do you start? So what you need of course is either a smartphone or a laptop make sure you have internet and then make sure that anytime you have an interview you go to a quiet place. A quiet place? Yes. Is this interview like a first time thing? Yes. It's like Skype or Zooming service. So you don't just go there with your 90? Honestly you dress up for the interview even though it's over the phone. I generally think it doesn't matter because the person is going to see you from the neck up so you might Well, you might say that. You might say that but I know I'm thinking to kind of escape probably and I want to confess and then the interviewer okay Nia do you wear a Nia gum I mean obviously you have 12-7 decorum but it's not really as tight as an in-person interview Kwenyate Nyo nge taise nini brush viato or anything Okay maybe the shoes you can let that be but from the waist up Yes, from the waist up at least look presentable Chana nyewele? Chana nyewele Kamaya weni dhim put some light makeup if you want it's up to you Naka any boy kakuna dreadika Whether it's not really it doesn't really matter you'll find that maybe the person interviewing you has all the way to his neck Okay took a fitting Nice Thank you so much for letting us know more about Shremoto and just like she said this is something you definitely need to look into but for starters what website would you recommend or what job would you recommend for someone in Kenya right now For someone in Kenya right now as I said content creation is really big in Kenya right now Content creation in terms of In terms of if you're doing stuff on YouTube or on Facebook or also you're doing writing if you're a creative writing and editing and stuff like that there's a lot of space in Kenya right now for that but also you can go for customer service because when you're working remotely you're probably just going to be answering people via email it would be a big deal so customer service would be a good place to start but you need the voice for it Not really because you won't be talking to people like on the phone you'll be answering emails and chat requests So that one is more artistic than anything Yes, so you just have to teach yourself how to convey a very good personality via text and then social media because that's always a good space to start social media either marketing or management what else I think those are the good places to start You can also do research and data entry because when you're doing research most likely the company will tell you what it wants and how they go about it and the tools that they use so all you have to do is just perfect your art And once you gain that CV you can actually make a lot of money Yes, you can make a lot of money it's very real Now where can someone find you to get more information or maybe just to chat and get some advice from you So I am Agwe Uwan Agwe U-A-G-W-E-Y-U One the number at Twitter and Instagram and then Agwe Uwan on Facebook which is A-G-W-E-Y-U-O-N-E Yes Thank you so much for coming to the E-Circuit and enlightening us Any parting shot for the youth? If you're in a position to get into the remote workspace please do you can make a lot of money Just be patient obviously it might take a while especially if you're in a Kenyan space or in an African space because there are some people who you might end up getting an interview with and they are very shocked Oh my God Kenyan has internet This is very surprising and your English is very good It's true And patience Yes, be patient with them and the most important thing is your output What does your work say about you if your work is excellent then it really doesn't matter Nice Thank you so much Madam Agwe Uwan for coming through to the E-Circuit I have a request I want to know do you have sugar ready? Do you have a request if you are in Russia? Yes I have a request I want to ask you if you are in Bombasana I will ask you to ask me Thank you I hope it makes sense to have a conversation about Gengelto Not really It's like this conversation Hold up Hold up Hold up Hold up I want to know if you are in Bombasana I like vibing to it but now it's about the content That's a conversation that has never ended But you know people are not thinking like this is what the youth wants right now because there is no Gengelto if nobody is consuming it So there are consumers Yes, there are consumers But is it We are consuming but is everything good for you Not everything is good for you but everything can be good for you in moderation Hey, you are an engineer to Westia Hey, you are an engineer That's another thing to add in the conversation that we will have eventually I think we need to call Ochungulo family and have a sit down up on the east side But until then I remember the question of the day is if you find your partner your boyfriend slash girlfriend cheating Nauna Jibu In the act Nauna Jibu Or in the act In the act In the act In the act What would you do in that scenario So first of all I'm not even a person to make a fuss I will just get out let you guys finish And then probably after you finish I will not even probably I will have a conversation because I know it's the last conversation I'm having with you anyway Will it be a civil conversation? Yes, it will be a civil conversation because I really hate destructive arguments Let's have a constructive argument about it This is what you have done and it's unforgivable So you understand that you've made a mistake and then you know that I'm going to leave Okay I don't know why I feel like the ladies are lying on this one because Why are you even talking about it? It has happened exactly So what's there to talk about? Can you just walk away when and where nukie nanga? because I will need closure myself I know it has already happened and I made a mistake but I will be like What a story Closure Closure Closure Closure Closure Closure