 What if you could ask the president and CEO of an engineering company what they thought was the most important aspect of leadership? Well, in this week's engineering manager 8020 shorts, we're going to do just that. We have with us today, Gil Honch, president and CEO of MSA Professional Services. So, Gil, what is the most important aspect of leadership? I can boil it down to one thing, Anthony. It's about people. I went into engineering being somewhat introverted and without any particular altruism. So for me, the journey has all been about understanding myself so that then I can better understand others, understanding what they need, how can I help them grow and develop into their best selves. This really plays in the idea of servant leadership, which is to ask yourself, who am I serving right now? And the answer needs to be someone else and not yourself. There's a great line at the end of John Gardner's book on leadership that goes something like this. It is conventional to ask whether the people believe in their leader. A more searching question is whether the leader believes in the followers. There's a lot of wisdom in that line that I've seen leaders who didn't believe in their followers and who felt that the followers needed them to solve all their problems and nothing could be further from the truth. Learning and development only happens when people take a hand in solving their own problems. And if you don't develop the next generation of leaders, there will be no one capable of carrying the organization forward, at least not from within.