 Good morning and welcome to this week's edition of Encompass Live. I'm your host, Christa Porter, here at the Nebraska Library Commission. Encompass Live is the commission's weekly webinar series where we cover a variety of topics that may be of interest to libraries. We broadcast the show live every Wednesday morning at 10 a.m. Central Time, but if you're unable to join us on Wednesdays, that's fine. We do record the show every week as we are doing today and it is then posted onto our website for you to watch later at your convenience. And I'll show you at the end of today's show where you can access all of our recordings and archives. Both the live show and the recordings are free and open to anyone to watch. So please do share with your friends, family, neighbors, colleagues, anyone you think might be interested in any of the topics we have on the show. We, for those of you who are not from Nebraska, the Nebraska Library Commission is the state library for Nebraska, kind of like if you have your, you know, your so-and-so state library. We are that here. So we provide services and training and grants and consulting and anything you think of for all types of libraries in the state. So you will find things on our show for all types of libraries. K-12, publics, academics, corrections, museums, law, academic. So we run the gamut and we have lots of different pens of things on here. Book reviews, interviews, mini-training sessions, demos of products and services we think that may be of interest to people. So you'll find all sorts of things on our show. We do have sessions done by Nebraska Library Commission staff sometime for things that we are specifically doing here at the Library Commission. But we also bring guest speakers from Nebraska and actually across the country from Lolliver. And that's why this morning with us a group of guest speakers who came all from here in Lincoln, at least it's just, you know, that's where in town. And actually, I don't know who wants to introduce who first. So I'll let you guys take over and talk about what we're going to be talking about. Obviously, our topic for today is legal research for non-lawyers and librarians. And we have some great resources through our University of Nebraska-Lincoln and other things we're going to talk about today. So I'll let you guys, whoever wants to do the introducing. Thank you very much. And it's really a pleasure to be here. We're excited. We've been looking forward to coming in addressing the librarians of the state, share some information with you. My name is Richard Leiter. I'm the director of the Schmid Law Library at the University of Nebraska College of Law. Joining me today are Keelan Weber, our head of cataloging and resource management. Did I get that right? Queen of technical services. Well, that's what she wants. We haven't settled on the queen title yet, but she is who she is. And Maureen at the head of the Supreme Court's State Library. Very interesting place. And we'll get to more about it in just a minute. The reason that we're here today is both of our libraries, the State Library and the Schmid Law Library are both open to the public. We share similar missions when it comes to serving the public. And just by sort of happenstance because of the massive renovation project happening at the State Capitol, the State Library is now sharing our space. She's crossed the hall from me in the Law Library. And so in talking about what we would talk about today and just seeing Maureen bring Maureen in. Today what we want to do is we want to highlight some services and resources that are available through our website and through the State Library's website that can help you assist your public patrons when they come in with legal questions. And they're also available not only just for you but for your patrons as well. And we just want to remind everybody that both of our libraries are open to the public. Part of our missions are to serve the public, citizens of the state as well as our primary patrons. My case, students and faculty at the Law School and Maureen, the Supreme Court, judges and clerks and so forth. But both of us are really committed to helping librarians around the state or around the world as the case may be to help patrons that come into their libraries that have legal questions. This we know can be quite daunting and so but we're here to take your calls to help you whenever you need it. In addition I wanted to throw out and offer any of you who would like a law librarian to come out to your library, evaluate, assess your law collection or do a you know a small seminar for your staff explaining some of the legal resources or how to do research or how to answer certain questions. We're more than welcome to or willing to to do that. Just give me or Maureen, shoot us an email or a call and we'll work something out. We also our presentation this morning shouldn't take the whole hours. We'll have more than enough time to answer questions. So if you have questions on any topic please send them in. We'd love to answer them. Before we set out into what we're going to talk about and want to get clear something about legal research just a definition that a lot of people can get confused by. With the term law there are actually different kinds of things that are very distinct in the services and the resources to answer them are also distinct. So they are litigation so you may have a patron that comes in to your library who is being sued, wants to sue somebody. This is civil litigation and that's a whole different area of the law from criminal law. If someone comes in and says I was arrested or you know my it's often my friend or my cousin was arrested how do I represent them. That's a completely different ball of wax but there's litigation. There's work involved with the patron involved with the courts and we've got some answers for resources that can help you advise patrons. Oh but I should at the start this is something that you'll hear several times while we're talking. Your first piece of advice to all patrons coming in with these kind of questions get a lawyer. If people feel like they can handle their own cases it's very very difficult. You often need the help of an attorney to figure it out the procedures the forms and what the law is. It's very difficult to do by yourself but you can and we're going to talk about some resources that will help people handle their own cases or their own defense case maybe. Also you will hear and you've probably heard about forms in law that's a very different thing than what most people understand when they hear the term forms. It's rare that you can find a form that you just fill out and check out boxes and submit it to the court. Forms are often guidelines for how to draft the final document. So that can be tricky too in another reason why I should hire a lawyer and advice your patrons to hire lawyers. Okay so there's litigation. The next big chunk of law that we're going to talk about some resources and calling transactional law. This is where situations where people want copies of a lease copies of a contract you know fill a sale a will or something like that. This is transactional. You're not suing somebody or being sued but you just want to create a legal document and that's a whole body of material. Other things that fall into that that we're going to talk about today happens and trademarks move as well. And then last but not least is the law what people think of as a law. Yes I do this isn't breaking the law. Sometimes the rule doesn't fit the exact situation so you need to read the opinions of the court or other materials to find out what the law is. This is substance of law. It's very important to consult secondary materials scholars and academics or practitioners who write about the law to explain what it what it is. Both of our libraries have ample resources to do that kind of research but it's a completely different animal than finding forms finding transactional materials or documentation. So I think it would be a great opportunity to talk about the disclaimer about not giving legal advice. Yes well yes okay good point. One of the things that you should always remind that you should know and for your own practices but also let patrons know if they call us or if you refer of patrons they won't call the state library or call the law college library this men's library. We can answer questions but we can only answer reference questions on the reference level and you librarians who are listening and know exactly what I'm talking about you can't read statutes you can't read regulations or give opinions on what the law means. Soon as you do that you're crossing a very dark but hard to understand line of practicing law and you can get big trouble. Even reading the text of a statue to somebody over the phone they called in and asked you to read a section of a statue this happens all of us many times at least in law libraries. As soon as you do the first question if you get a thanks the first question after that is well what does that mean? Second you start explaining what it means you're practicing law the reason this is a problem is every state has a rule against practicing law without a license and problem is if you get a patron who comes in to your library and you give them advice on what it means and they rely on it to their detriment guess who is responsible you and there's no way you can get out of it if they rely on your advice or your opinion on what course of action to take your troubles so stay away but yeah that's for a law and for medical advice you know medical for telling me what to do for this condition I have you and I'm sure many librarians have been through this before preface everything that I am not a lawyer but I can tell you here's the thing to look at now go take it to a lawyer you know the same thing with medical I'm not a doctor but here's the you know Mayo Clinic page about whatever disease you have go to it yourself I always like to say we're not answering legal questions we're just pointing you to legal resources yes and that's primarily what we're here to do today and I told this I was a firm librarian for years and years years ago not to date myself but the it was really fun to work for a big firm with a dynamic practice and I you know everybody thought I was wizard but you know most of our patrons think that librarians are wizards we can answer questions and you know you're so impressed and I said well it's easy for us all I need to know is where to find the information I don't need to know what it means that's actually why I'm loving library in general I don't know a lot of stuff I know where to find things and then so so yeah so it was good to pursue things like that but it's um uh but that's a very important lesson and just be careful of answering those kinds of questions and so easy to get sucked up or sucked in to answering them especially the person who sounds pathetic and oh I just need this one section and and then as soon as you read it and you're you're in trouble it's it's a slippery slope we run into this with our students who are answering the phone at the cert desk all the time they want to help so of course yeah I mean they're just learning the law so they think they're a little bit me at first so um all that happened that said I'd like to start out I'm asking Keelan to give us a tour up on the screen hopefully you see the Schmid Law Library website which is law.unl.edu slash library so Keelan you want to show us a couple of the resources on our website right these resources would be good for you as librarians to use to point your patrons to or you can just point your patrons to our website I'll take you first to the complete az list of databases where you will find free resources or maybe never mind I'm going to take you just to point you to the most important thing actually which would be our phone number and our reference email so as librarians you're welcome to submit questions um to the law ref at unl.edu email address or one of our wonderful reference librarians will be able to help you with your questions and you're welcome to call as well and of course um our location is there and our hours are there as well yeah let me just say the hours that are listed there are the times when our reference librarians are actually scheduled to handle reference questions but if you send an email to that law ref at unl.edu we will answer questions virtually 24 hours a day I've never gotten up in the middle of the night to answer a question but over the weekends or in the evenings um all of us are checking our email often enough to where you may be surprised we can answer questions for you and you know and don't don't hesitate don't don't recommend this to your patrons but you if you need a quick consultation you can use that email address say call me and we'll try to get back to you as soon as we can yeah explain I'm a librarian at so it's a librarian I have a patron that highlights some advice on how yeah gives you special service yes if you preface I'm a librarian from this library then you're you're golden in terms of the communication okay so then I will take you to our online databases um you'll see here these are listed out primarily for our students because they are um IP authenticated you can access them if you're on our campus and you can access Hina online and Bloomberg um if you are on our campus that some of these are just for law school students only but I will take you to our a to z list of databases and um we add to this constantly so you'll find new resources all the time but our free databases are tagged um by free access in the database type so you should be able to quickly see a list of everything that we have pulled out to um offer you free access to um we're not offering they are free um so you can scroll through there to see if anything matches um what your patrons are asking you about and usually though they're all have a nice description so you can understand a little bit more about them but like um I said if you come to our campus you'll get you can get more and and if I can say the free um databases as you're looking at them they're all uh gov gov websites what we found over the years is many times uh people are there are many sources for the code of federal regulations for example knowing which one of the many sources is reliable is part of why we put these on our website so they're they're certified right yeah that you can listen to them here they've been vetted by once you can take to the bank exactly yeah okay so then I'll take you back to our main site again and point out um a lot of our useful resources and there's one especially for public libraries it's the public library toolkit and I encourage you to check this one out in more detail you'll get lots of um resources to help answer you answer questions so um I need a lawyer where can I find a lawyer you can answer that question with Nebraska referral resources and you can send your patron to one of those websites um and then your you can also link to a lot of the Nebraska judicial branch resources and the access to justice resources that Maureen will tell us more about um and if you are not in Nebraska or if your patron is moving to another state and they need help we've also linked um to I see their under introduction um yes we've also linked to this website here which will give you access to public library toolkits throughout the U.S. so yeah and that list you can find something there yeah list it stands for legal information services to the public um SIS special intersection of the American Association of Wall Libraries this is a project that's been undertaken by double A double L our national organization right so when you look at that and see the list SIS public library toolkits people may link with that about right but um yes so feel welcome to go there if you're looking for information in another state okay lots of back arrow here um all right another resource to point out is uh we have research guides and those are on a variety of topics and um where we'll list out secondary materials and other resources to help you get more information on that subject in particular um if our if the subject you're looking for isn't there you can contact us and we'll give you more information and then our library services link there leads you to information about document delivery and interlibrary loan we're very active in interlibrary loans so if you ever find something um legally related that you don't have at your library check OCLC or you can keep even come to our website and then request it through our interlibrary loan system which you'll find the link within this link here and also Kela mentioned document delivery at that website this is something that we'd like you all to be familiar with and know about um but kind of hold it close to the rest um we it's primarily for alums and attorneys and judges throughout the state if they call and they need an article or they need a um a case or a group of cases because they don't have easy access to the material there you can fill out the form in contact our interlibrary loan department and we have a flat C and off the top of my head I can't it's listed in yeah it's like five dollars or something like that it will copy something and either fax it or email it make pdf scan that send it to you um so you know we're more than happy to do it I just don't want you know kind of hold it close right so again if you're asking for something purpose to you are that will help um I should be able to process it properly for you and then um Rich is thrilled to talk to you all about the patent and trademark resources we just became a ptrc office two years ago uh not even not even summer 2018 yeah it's like the year and a half ago we're very excited about this we are now an official patent and trademark resource center at the university of Nebraska college of law um with that means we're actually it's sort of like being a deposit federal depository library we're actually a branch or we're a service branch of the U.S. Patent Office in itself they bring us out once a year for uh training and in depth training um so I've been to one of those uh sessions so I'm sort of half cooked but um this lib guy that we have up on the screen uh if you look at the tabs uh it will answer most every question that someone would have about patents and trademarks now this is another area um of law where we strongly recommend hiring an attorney to help you do your patent registration your patent searches um but it is all uh doable on your own and one of the things that I do is my in my role is the I don't know what to whatever my ptrc specialist is I will uh I take phone calls from uh people from all over the state who have ideas and questions about how to do their file their own patents uh what to do about trademarks um people have called in we've made appointments they come in um and I can talk to them and walk them through the resources that are available to do their handle their own work the patent office is really an extraordinary organization uh one of the uh best run uh departments in federal government in my opinion they're just outstanding um including uh they will offer help to people that are trying to do their own patent work uh one on one they have a pro bono program program prosa assistance really rich resources you can get to virtually everything that we've got from this uh live guide oh except for the plant patents which we actually have in print at our library very fascinating collection that you wouldn't really expect to see in a law library so if you're ever looking to learn more about plants we're we're getting we're getting into a little bit of trivia here yes I can't have to represent Keelan has just embraced the plant patents but one of the things that's the most bizarre um features of being a ptrc is that so there's millions of patents okay and they're filed and you can get access to them through a variety of ways um online and you can see all the diagrams and the full explanations every patent ever filed but plant patents are considered special they're they actually mail to us stacks of color copies of the plant patents and now you probably like me or Keelan or anybody who's heard about this for the first time would not expect there to be the volume of plant patents that there is how many we get maybe 20 a month no I'd say more than that more than that yeah probably like 40 patents a month or more so people are patenting plant patenting plants at an alarming rate and it's everything from peonies new colors new fruits apples it's astonishing so I believe it no you know if if you I bet if you're a gardener you get it because every year you get a new seed catalog and it's like here's the 20 new types of apples we came up with since last year those things are okay so if you've come into the schmid wall library one of the things that's kind of fun uh Keelan has started a uh bullet board where we last year it was plant patents of the month and then she selected a plant patent to that resonated with something in the library uh my month march was rich fire yeah I can't remember what it was I was a peach a peach so anyway it's fun so we're doing adventure of the month this year but anyway it's a lot of fun so pqrc yes take a field trip to the library to see those yes yeah anybody's welcome to come in we have plenty of parking too well um I'll just say one more thing is the Nebraska state law resources where we list all the primary resources in Nebraska like Nebraska briefs um and a bunch of other things actually so in the public library toolkit you'll be like you can link out to the Nebraska online legal self-help center and marine's going to talk to us more about that and I said all those words it's hard to say for some reason so yeah so marine um one of the things before you you get started um your library is known as the state library we are so tell us a little bit about how you are in the state library oh it's so confusing isn't it oh it's horrible this is as you don't know why the introduction that really the Nebraska library commission functions more like a traditional state library I think one time the Nebraska state library did but we've been a law library as far as I understand it since sometime in the 1950s um and we are a government law library we're a court law library and we are a public law library so what that means is that our primary patrons are people who work for the Nebraska court system our state legislature and um state agencies but also the general public and uh that's primarily what I'm going to talk about today because the website that you guys see on the screen there was actually created by the Nebraska Supreme Court the access to justice committee and the subcommittee on self-represented litigants got together and decided it was time that we create some resources for people that are trying to navigate the legal system without an attorney and even if you aren't here in Nebraska and like what we're saying all of these resources you should check with your own state's judicial branch your local law schools they will have very similar resources every state's a little bit different because time and money obviously will dictate what they've created so far and it's always a work in progress yeah so before you move on I'd like you to to run through some of the resources that are on the left there um the the resources that that are available in paper but I want to just throw in a pitch if when you're visiting the state uh capital you want to visit the state library it's going to be a couple of years right yeah so but when it reopens you definitely want to go in it is it's a beautiful beautiful library beautiful murals uh secret doors yes it's always fun finding the secrets yeah so so I just want to thank you we will be back in the meantime thank you for hosting me yeah okay well so a little bit about what's actually on this website uh like I said this is primarily designed for people that are trying to navigate the legal system on their own however anybody who's touching you know the court system may come to this website for various reasons before I touch on this menu here on the left these resources right here in the center are some of what I call like the quick links or the fast links like the super common things like just looking up your court date paying your fines online um mediation is something where people may be trying to avoid going to court at all um this handy little link down here that's called representing yourself in court gives some just super practical tips about how to dress for court how you address the judge and what kinds of things you might need to bring with you um but then um I should touch on this too this is really important we've already talked about in the disclaimer but it cannot be said enough basically and if you spend any time looking through this website you'll see this disclaimer pop up over and over again we cannot stress to our patrons enough that even though these resources were written and put together by judges and attorneys and they are approved for use in the court they may not be appropriate for every single situation and it is not a substitute for an attorney just period if you're not giving anyone the run around if you suggest contacting an attorney I mean that is the only actual advice you can give the legal legal aid Nebraska legal aid which is part of the the um legal services corporation the lsc which is uh federally funded essentially it's a national public interest law firm um that has branches in each state and it's funded by congress and its mission is to help people who can't afford to hire their own lawyer and um so we keep saying hire lawyer consultant lawyer if you can't afford it there's always a resource available to you to find one if you if you really need it on that topic the very first thing on this menu over here is legal resources and information and I would say as librarians this is probably going to be your number one resource because this is all of your ways to refer people to additional information how to find an attorney legal aid is the first thing up there and as rich said every state does have legal aid um local legal aid um offices we've um we know them and we've had toured their offices their outstanding right and they actually offer a lot of these similar self-help guides to their website as well and we don't discriminate you don't have to use ours you can use theirs it's certainly preference but their stuff is also approved by the court as well yeah and you know you might find the patron who says well I make too much money like I already tried legal aid and they turned me away there's also another thing called limited scope representation we have a whole section on that here too it's an option that a lot of people just don't even know exists this section really explains what types of questions you would ask an attorney if you want them to work for you at a reduced cost they may ask you to do part of the work for them they may say well you should go to the online you know the equal self-help center download these forms fill them out then you come back to me and I'll do the filing part or you know I don't it can be different in every situation but it is another potential option yeah and it's a new service that's evolving in uh law um because traditionally uh the rules were set up to make the lawyer responsible for the welfare the legal welfare of the client in enforcing that relationship this is sort of taking it and dividing it up so a lawyer will agree to represent a patron just on one sliver of what their legal issues are to write a brief or write a motion but not actually give you legal advice you know about the whole case and it it's very controversial at this point but it's a great thing for people trying to represent I think it's because there's you know there's legal aid where people think it's I'm too poor I don't have enough money I can't afford it but and then there's people who I have my own lawyer who I see weekly and there's almost the middle of where like well I need a lawyer for a particular thing but no I'm middle class I don't have the the money to afford them what do I do I'm kind of they're lost and they're not yeah and through the referral services that we list here I believe that like if you go to Nebraska find the lawyer you can tell them you know the area of law that you're looking for help in the area you live in and I do believe you can also select limited scope now yeah or discount I don't know how the language they use but there is a way to look for providers who are willing to do limited scope working on it and I imagine the laws are different in every state too as far as like what is actually allowed under it it's it's it's it's I'm involved in a project with group people in Chicago who are working on this to help pros and litigants in this limited scope and so I'm I write a book on 50 state survey of state laws so they contacted me to put one together about this problem is it's not governed by statute it's governed by bar rules and bar association rules those are infrightfully difficult to research and so if I end up doing a chapter on this it's going to take up a whole number of volume in the book yeah it's tricky legal research is not easy all right so just some of the other resources here and this is very similar to your public library toolkit as well just listing up all of these other resources Nebraska free legal answers this is another thing that is countrywide I think every state has their own version they're all I think I think it's overseen or operated by legal aid as well so or at least it is in our state it might be different in other states but it is a free online forum where anyone can go in and type their question and then a group of real living breathing attorneys may or may not answer your questions it really depends on who logs in and what kind what laws what area is their expertise I don't think that they do any criminal questions I still think it's all civil just like legal aid and really the vast majority of our website as well there is a little bit of criminal information on here but because those people are given an attorney by the state we can't put that much time and resources into helping them when we're trying to help people don't there are plenty of physical walk-in legal help self-help centers throughout the state also the law schools here both have legal clinics so you should check with your local law schools as well if you're not here in Nebraska and then of course we always point to libraries us Douglas County has a law library even other counties remotely throughout the state they may not have a traditional law library but they will often have a very small collection of primary source law books like the statutes which also you can connect to online but they have kiosks which are computers where you can go in and connect to this website so you have access to all of the forms that we've created and also case searching so if you're looking for if you're involved in any sort of litigation you could get the case files court records things like that if you go into the library otherwise you have to pay per search and I think it's something crazy like $15 per search yeah so I do recommend checking with your local courthouse and seeing what they have and then we go on to list just a whole bunch of nonprofit organizations that may or may not be able to assist your patrons as well these are always worth looking into however if anyone's ever asked you a legal question in your library you probably know that time is of the essence people are often stressed out they've already called everybody else you're their last resource so first of all again don't panic don't be afraid to say well you really need to contact an attorney that's the best thing for you but I do all if any of their problems touch on any of these things in this menu on the left which there's a lot of family law divorce custody estates um if they're trying to uh change their name or get protection from an abuser send them to this website have them read through the modules and just see if these answer their questions there's tons of information here I don't want to go through every single thing here yeah they're still writing their ethics yeah so let me let me if I can be some simple one more time um I tell all of our student workers at the Cirque Desk in the library and anybody who is interested in working in a law library there's one important thing that that we should all keep in mind when we talk to people that are visiting our library I've never once met a non-law librarian who was walked into a law library just for fun and recreation they come to public libraries for fun they come to law libraries because they have a legal problem and if you've ever had a legal problem it is stressful it is difficult it's challenging everything bad about it so you want to treat people and so you want to treat all of your patrons who come in with legal problems with kid gloves and cut them some slack they may be anxious uh you know bordering on rude you don't have to accept everything it's not an excuse but be aware that people are under extreme pressure and um I've had people thank me for help when really all I did was listen yes oh yeah sometimes that's all they need is someone who they can bounce ideas off of or just vent to about whatever is happening and then you say okay and now go here and find a lawyer and you'll be fine yes yeah but all of these resources today I mean if you point them to any of these websites I mean that is giving them help you may feel like you're out of your league but we all have felt like that I think some of these basic things you like like just for example what you ended up on the screen you know simple divorce whether that children's child child support if you're suddenly in that situation or someone comes in and they are you've never been in that situation before right you don't even know what's going to happen what is going what is the process I know now I need to do this because it's happening but what this can just help um with some of that stress just knowing oh even though this one I can't use this to do the divorce but at least you can find out what is going right even if these don't apply directly to your situation sometimes I'm seeing you know it sit down take the 10 minutes to read through the section because even if it's not perfect for your circumstances you're going to learn a lot about the process you're going to see the how the forms are titled that will give you information and then when you contact an attorney or leave the late you've got information going in and I understand a little bit more of when they tell you things yeah and this is one of the areas where uh word of mouth um and uh what a conventional wisdom we're trying to say um uh just the popular notion of what the law is how knowledge is almost always 80 percent incorrect and so people when they have a law problem they'll immediately talk to their father their friend their spouse their you know anybody but a lawyer and they'll get all wrong information from every two years ago when my uncle did this is what happened and it's been happening to you and it yes and it oh it changes and so part of the you've got to calm people down say okay let's see what it is and then get them on track and that's to challenge sometimes with anybody else if you have any um nothing where I'm going to start my view if any questions or comments or specific legal encounters you've had or things you want to know about type in the question section and ask and we can um show you where to find info on here or give you non-league non-lawyer advice I don't know where to go so if you have anything in particular that you're wondering about because you signed up and joined here us for today um get your questions in there so we can um point you in the right direction hopefully before we leave today yeah while we're waiting for potential questions I will just say some of the more popular topics that we cover over here are things like name change handling estates without going through probate um power of attorney medical power of attorney or financial power of attorney I already mentioned the protection of abuse we even have um emancipation stuff in here um we do have some stuff on renter landlord but I think it takes you directly to legal aid um I think if I click on this maybe it goes to legal aid okay statutes that relate to right yeah and while we're looking at that filing for dollar judgment I mean it just made me um uh think about one of the things too that a lot of people um it takes some time to to learn about when they want when they've been wronged and they want to sue somebody one of the first questions that they need to answer is which court to file in is a go to a small claims court county court federal court um and there are very very important and very hard clad rules as to where to go for um what thing and the amounts change do you have a small claims we have a small claim such as we also have like a flow chart on here somewhere where it actually walks you through you know this is the kind of case you already got this court but yeah I was just looking up your small claims you click on does that that must have a dollar oh yeah judgments may not exceed 3600 dollars that's one of the changes right so if it's not um if it's more than that then it's uh for the district court several court I wouldn't recommend anybody try that you do have a question that came in and I think I believe it came in a little late um to the session today um but it's a good actually good question um he says we are part of UNL but in Curtis and it's actually the librarian at the um Nebraska College of Technical Agriculture yeah in Curtis um and wants to know what kind of access do we have to the law library like because they're part of UNL I know you were saying there's certain things around the page yeah that are free they don't get to if you're in the middle of the IP but he's there part of UNL so it's a great difference your IP ranges should be in terms of the general um I'll put you here in terms of the general general resources um inter like uh kind online that your IP range I believe is included in the ones that we provide to our vendors so you have access because they're part of UNL right but it's the law college but if not yeah um let us know and well yeah we can add that IP range um as well in that complete A to Z list if you are part of UNL but not the law college you'll see there's a little icon here UNL law faculty students and stuff only those are literally only two law staff only but you can come to yeah it talks about that I love it any UNL right um we're reformatting this uh lid guide a little bit so considered changes are going to come but that should help you in terms of what your what you have access to in Curtis um but otherwise you can certainly come to the library if you're ever or you can email us and then if you need something particular we can get that to you yeah yeah it's at the beginning the law library is open to anyone to come in it is and so if you're here at Lincoln anytime well you can do that yeah but as far as remotely because of being part of UNL yeah yes and we're and and um the library that we're talking about the one in Curtis I wonder if they're part of on hold it's it's now uh like are they part of the I like I think we can talk about that yeah okay well but there may be ways that you're more connected um to our services than we realize um so but that's something to definitely follow up with um they're part of the UNL system yeah yeah we're important to the dean um for me and family favorite have reach out to them if you need to I want to ask yes that was pretty much what we had intended to cover today and um you know you can leave it at that and what yes anybody have any other questions anything else you want to know about about the legal resources we have to get you have access to and uh go ahead and type in in your questions I think this is some great reason especially that these are so I think it's the kind of thing that a lot of people don't realize is free and open to anyone to get to um I think there's a misconception about universities that you have to be one of the students it's not for me I can't even go in the doors and that's not you know gates yeah okay so um you might want to terminal we have our own public terminal yeah we have public access terminal yeah so there are some if if if you send patrons to us there are databases that they can get access to um while they're in the library through these terminals that you can't get access to otherwise um but one thing that that we are more than happy to do and I mentioned this a little bit at the beginning but if um anyone uh say has a class that you know they need the students need uh to know how to do legal research as part of a the class project or something like that we often host tours we've hosted tours from students from Dome Union College um Wesleyan um you know specific classes we'll give tours to give people oriented on early resources we're happy to come out and do those if you and in one of the public libraries feel it would be helpful to um put a group together um and you would like one of us to come out and talk to them about some basics of doing legal research we can have a shot at that yeah and I will just say we just created a self-help a law self-help sort of section in our library um so that might be a great resource in terms of pointing people to actual physical books that they prefer information about and maybe even um high school oh yeah absolutely this you know the schools in town or one of one of the things that sort of been high on my personal list is seven head times early they explored enough um I remember I had some excellent um education in high school with civics class um they taught I know everything about government but how to find the materials that government produces the laws and regulations so I've been really desirous of working with LPS or any of the schools to come in and do I could do a one hour session on um the bibliography of government um it's one thing to learn about government but then how do you go and find the rights how do you respond how do you interact it's much easier than you would think um so but it's also not very intuitive just knowing if your state's you know code is available online is a great resource knowing how to search those codes is a great thing to be able to show your patrons a lot of even local municipal codes are online oh yeah so we have that here in Nebraska state statutes are online um through the rest clearinghouse that we handle here at the library commission where all state agencies are required to send us copies of documentation and we as the library commission state library are our um tasked by state statutes to maintain all of this and a lot of it gets scanned and put online yep um yeah I know I just see at least we know who each other is and this morning on npr morning edition there was a story about a big change in national national resources law that's being proposed by the federal government they want to shorten the amount of time to do environmental impact statements and in the course of talking about these proposed new regulations the reporter mentioned that they're having a hearing in Denver and so they're they have a hundred slots and any any citizen can go in and and talk but then there it also said they're taking digital comments on these new regulations well and that sounds wow that's why it's neat that they're doing this they've been doing that all along since the beginning of the country um uh several agencies when they proposed regulations it's part of the american uh the administrative procedures act the apa that it has to be proposed as a proposed break published in the federal register and then there's a specific time for comment yeah and anybody can comment then this is what I was saying it's a lot easier to interact with the government than you that people think it is but he's got another place to go online click and we're to type in your your your comments your complaints whatever all right um well it doesn't look like any desperate questions came in right now that's okay everybody's got a lot of good input yeah um that things is great you guys know where to reach out to um to them on the different websites the the unl email um and the online legal self-help center um but so definitely use those resources to reach out to them to if you need more information um so thank you everybody for attending thank you guys all for coming over here this morning this is great I'm glad I got to go out there and we were talking earlier we had talked previously about doing some regular coming on regularly on tank up this live with other legal topics so um keep an eye on our schedule um coming up in the um future for other things that are if anybody has suggestions on things they'd like to talk about yeah um they'd like a whole hour of talking about the intricacies of the kf schedule cataloging catalogers love love the coming out of it you'd be surprised actually we do we do things here on income slide we'd like to do all sorts of topics um anything related to cataloging is hugely popular grand and children's and teen I don't know if you guys are doing that but yeah absolutely all right well thank you yeah thank you interesting topic all right um hand me the keyboard in the mouse here we'll wrap things up for everybody so that will wrap it up for today's show and I'm going to show you here as I mentioned 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