 And let's get over to our man, Mr. Tim Ord, folks. And don't forget you can reach Tim every trading day at odd-oracle.com, that's odd-oracle.com. And if you've been following Tim, you know, as these interviews have been taking place, the bottom line, you know, we'll let him give us an update, but the bottom line is that I think that sign of strength coming up the bottom. I think we've got some action out here. Tim Ord, what's going on? How you doing? I'm doing great, man, yourself. Oh, good, good, good, good. I sent over a bunch of charts, maybe too many, but... No, it's not too many, man. Listen, man, after, you know, the last time we had talked and, you know, you felt, you said specifically, I think it's here. I think it's right here. It's sure enough the next day, man, bang, we had that sign of strength in the S&P, man. It was pretty cool. Right. Well, actually, we got some charts kind of leading up to this, but maybe we can just go to that sign of strength chart that... Let's just do that first. Let's just... For right now, let's say this bicycle is legitimate. Yes. What chart was that, Tim? What number? You go to chart four. Four, okay. One, two, three, four. I got it. Okay, cool. All right, so we can go back. You know, if we've got time, we'll go back and how we create this signal. What this created is a right signal. The whole thing depends on this rally. You get panicked and you have to get a sign of strength. You can do that on a bigger time frame and use McCall and Oskler in summation index. You can also do it on a shorter time frame, and what we're looking at is a shorter time frame. So what I use for that is a lag breast thrust. We talked about that before. And so this is more of a shorter term type thing. You've got to have a selling climax, I guess, and this lag breast thrust indicator needs to get below 0.4. And it did that first part of October, and all those red lines going back to 2020 are the times when that indicator actually got below minus 20. And there are some other ones in there, but they didn't have a sign of strength. I'll explain that in a second. But you need a sign of weakness. And right after that, you need a sign of strength within 10 days, and a sign of strength on the lag breast thrust indicator. So you need to go below 0.4. Then within 10 days, you need to go above 0.6. And this is all to do. That indicator is the NYSE advancing issues times the total issues, and that's a 10-day average. So that's the lag breast thrust. So that indicator needs to go below 0.4 up to 0.6 within 10 days. So I set this chart over. It got below 0.4. I didn't write that date down. I wrote down the date and this one I didn't. But we did have it here over the last Thursday. You were talking about it Thursday and then we got the sign of strength on Friday. Right, sign of strength on Friday. And it got 0.49 as of today. We're at 0.54. It needs to get 0.60 by next Thursday. Oh, that's cool to know. Let me get this straight. That's really cool. It could happen today. I don't know what number it's going to be today. But this doesn't update until after the close. But it's going to wait until next Thursday. So in general, this rally has to have advanced decline pretty strong over a 10-day period for this lag breast thrust indicator to trigger. I've triggered that big bottom we had back in April of 2022 to April of 2023. We had actually three swag breast thrust indicators. The red line is selling climax and the blue line is behind climax. We had three in that time frame. So that was a good indication that the market was building a bullish bottom, not a bullish top. That's one of the reasons why it kind of remained bullish. And also there's some other stuff, too, but we're not talking about the other stuff we're talking about. This is a swag breast thrust indicator. So anyhow, we got till next Thursday for this indicator to get 0.6 or above. If it does, you can have short-term consolations. But basically, you have to remain bullish. Sometimes they pull back, sometimes they don't. So we'll have to wait and see. But probably a 40-200 is not going to be broken. Pretty cool, man. But that's probably strong support. Pretty much on the money. So we're starting, I think, a rally that could last a year in. Well, you know it's amazing, Tim, right? Think about this for a second, right? That you had the sign of strength on Friday and then you have, over the weekend, Hamas attacking Israel and the S&Ps are shaking off. I mean, that market's a deviant, but that said quite a bit also, right? Yeah. Right. It's what Normie Berry turns out to be bullish. Yes. You know, the sign of strength tells the story. So this market, especially if you get to 0.6, wants to go up. I know. I know. So we're not. So let's flip to another chart. Let's flip to chart 5. 5, OK. Let me just 1, 2, 3, 5, 6. OK, I have it. Yep. All right. So this is a monthly chart. Yes. And I think we showed this before. I was talking about 4.20 is being support. And the reason why that's kind of a sport line, which is basically the previous highs of April 2022. Right. April 2023, it kind of hit that top area and that found support. What I'm thinking is happening here is the head and shoulders bottom forming. The left shoulder formed in late 2021. Really, 2022 up around that 4.42 to 4.46. Right. And I'm thinking we're forming the right shoulder right now. And the whole thing is breaking of that neckline. The neckline comes in around 4,600. So if we had a sign of strength through that 4,600, then this head and shoulders bottom, you take the bottom of the head up to the neckline and you add that onto the neckline. You come up with 5,700. I know. It's a huge head and shoulders, man. Yeah. But this is all a conjecture right now. Oh, yeah. No, no, for sure. I guess. This is what I'm looking on the bigger picture. That's right. So, but, you know, 5,700 from where we are right now is 30% higher. Right. Yeah. No, listen. That's a long ways up. It's pretty intense. I can see that, too. I mean, because, you know, even the, yeah, man, because it's pretty, it's actually pretty pretty P-R-E-T-T-Y. It's this formation here. It really is. So, I see here, let me pull this over here one second. I'm going to pull that over for the audience so they can actually see what you're looking at. I mean, that's about as clean as you can get, man. Look at this thing. Actually, I'll bring it back. Let's see. I don't need to bring it back there. You can kind of see this. I mean, that's pretty laid out, man. It really is. Yeah. Well, if you also, if you know, if you take the bottom of the COVID crash in March 2020. Yes. And you go to the high of, you know, 2022. You only did a big percent retreat. I know. I know. I know. Stay right there, folks. Tim and I are going to be coming right back. You can reach Tim at odd-oracle.com. It's odd-oracle.com. We have the Dow. The Dow is up 140 right now and ASIC is up 101. S&P is up 26. We'll come right back. Welcome back, folks. Tim Boyd, Tom O'Brien. We do appreciate you growling and prowling with us out here. We have the Dow. The industry is up 132. And ASIC is up 97. S&Ps are up 25. And so we're looking at, yeah, we were just looking at the the head and shoulders, potential head and shoulders, Tim, and the neckline. Now, where is this neckline set up again? It's a, I got a neckline on that chart. There's around 4,600. 4,600. Okay, cool, man. Okay. Yeah, so 4,600. Yeah, so 4,600. So we're always from it. Yeah. And maybe I'm putting the cart for the horse. But, you know, if this thing starts falling in place, like I think it may, which is that the lag thrust gets to 0.6, then my idea is that market is just going to keep going, you know, wind higher and probably, you know, to get through that 4,600 on the SPX, you'll need a sign of strength, you know? So you'll need power to get through that. So you might see some sort of an explosion's wrong word, but, you know, sign of strength, you know, you need to get through the neckline. So I'm thinking the market is going to actually pick up the energy as we head into year in. Right, because you know it's interesting, Tim, you know, you talked about the aspect of the percentages, you know, retracement from the last low that we had that was established out here to low now, we didn't even do a 0.382 retracement, which is amazing. You know what I mean? Oh, from that last low in October to the current low. Yeah, right. Yeah. Oh, yeah, you're right. I don't want that. I should have done it, but I didn't do it. I didn't think about it. No, that's just wrong. I mean, it's not retracement or relapse. Right. Cool, man. So yeah, that could be the halfway point the next move up. Right. You know, it's still higher than where we are. Yes, big time, big time. So yeah, so anyway, it looks good. You know, the news otherwise, you know, it's pretty crappy out there, but you know, the market knows what it's doing. So, you know, don't fight the market, it's no thing. That's a fact. So where do you want to go? We can go and show you how I created that signal, or we're going to flip over to the gold market. Whatever you want to do, tell me where to go. Well, I've got a few questions on the gold market. Let's go to chart number six. Okay. And the bottom window is it seems to really draw the good conclusions of what the market, what this gold market kind of does as far as the equity market is concerned. Okay. So the bottom window is a 50-day average of the GDX up-down volume percent. And I went back 2010, and every time that market, that indicator got below minus 20, I circled in red. So you got a lot of red stuff going, red circles going across. The last time we got the last signal, came on June 15th, 2023. And when this indicator hits below minus 20, the market does either go sideways or modestly down. It can go either way. Modestly down, it doesn't like crash. It just does go down some, but it's, you know, so it either flip sideways or goes down some. And the average length of time, I went back and actually ran the times on all of these indicators when this got below before the actual turn up. So, anyhow, when it hits minus 20, the downtrend is done, and either the market flip sideways or goes just down modestly. When it turns up, usually a thing works from two months to six months. And most of them are around three or four months. But there is one in there at six months, and some are just over two months. But all of them at least went two months. Most of them are around three or four months. And there was one at six months. So the four-month period is October 15th, which is next week. So I'm thinking we're about in the sweet spot as time is concerned for this GDX to turn up. Wow, okay. So, okay, now I didn't do this one either, but it's on tonight's report. When it hits below minus 20, in all cases going back to 2010, this indicator at a minimum got to plus 10. Okay. So we're at... So that'd be the minimum upside target. So we're at minus... As we're putting this... Right now it's minus 10.41. So what I'm saying is when it gets above plus 10, it can go higher, but at minimum it gets to plus 10 before the market either peers out or keeps going higher. We don't know which way to wait and see when we get there. That's pretty cool to know. Right, exactly. Yeah, it's good to know. If we get to plus 10, okay, so you got to look at a bunch of other steps and say, is that the end of the rally or is it going to keep going? Right. Some have, some haven't. So this is a safe place. So you already know that time-wise, you're running out of time to go sideways because most that could do is six months. That would run into October, November, that'd be December, but most of them are three to four months, so we're in that sweet spot. Yes. So we got minus plus 10 to go. So we got my opinion, room to run, I guess you might say. Yeah, exactly. So, you know, let's go to one more chart. Okay. Chart seven. Yeah. And we talked about this on the show. This is a shorter term timeframe. Now, this is the 18-day average of the up-down boring mass find indicator. So it takes a, all the blue area on the chart here shows times when this indicator is above minus 10. When it's above minus 10, you're using an uptrend, and we're coming in around plus five, plus six right now. Okay. Or excuse me, minus five, minus six. But it needs to say above minus 10 to have the uptrend continue. What this indicator is good at doing is it shows it does pretty good with divergences. If you notice on GDX, which is the top window, we hit a low in August, and we hit a lower low in early October. Yes. Well, if you look on the indicators, both those indicators, which is the bottom two windows, both made higher lows. Right. And if you go back and look over the times, I marked all those times when the market was making a lower low and these indicators were making higher lows. And they all turned out to be worthwhile bonds. And actually, the same thing usually happens at tops, which is that top we had back in April, May, period. The market made a double top and that indicator went right through the floor. And so if you're along, you shouldn't have been. So, but you know, you kind of learned to use indicators to go along. That top was pretty incredible, meaning that, you know, what had happened, folks, is that the second run, you know, almost took out the first high swing, but yet this indicator that Tim's talking about was saying, get out of the way right now. And that's pretty about as intense as you can get, Tim. Meaning, really cool. Yeah. So I actually even look back in the 2022, that May as the February, the April high of 2022, so it made a higher high. Yep. And that if you look at both those indicators, they made lower highs. Oh, yeah. No, that's what I want to, I know. I know. That's amazing, man, because particularly because when that higher high was coming in, it was coming in fast and furious, man. But yeah, guess what? The indicator was saying, see you later. Wow. Yeah, see you later. So I don't know what's going to happen here. You know, this is, you know, if this run is just starting, which you know, I've been kind of calling it way too early, but the indicators were record. I thought it might be only two months going sideways. You know, we're going on three months going sideways. And will this one stick? You know, it's about due time that it should. This rally may stick. Right. That's what I'm saying. Right. Because we've got divergence and we've got some stuff. And I remember, I think it was a week before last week, I bought call options because I got a few nasty emails. They were pretty good at picking bottles while I bought calls. I love it. And so they're working out for me right now. I love it. Well, listen, Tim, this is always a pleasure. You have a great one, the safe one. We look forward to speaking on Thursday, Tim. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Stay right there, folks. Come right back.