 Okay, good evening everybody. I'd now like to call the September 14th 2020 parks and recreation advisory board to order Could we please start with the roll call? Miss Sue Alberg I'm here Mr. Jeff Allen Bowden here Mr. Manel gang war Miss Paige Lewis here Mr. Dan Olson Mr. Robert Putham air down Olson said he's camping right now Thank you Miss Katja Stokely is not here and Mr. Aaron Rodriguez Council liaison Not here Thank you We do have a quarrel So meetings are being held remotely due to the governor's safer at home order anyone wishing to provide public comment during public invited to be heard Let's watch the live stream of the meeting for instruction When the call in information is displayed on the screen, please call the number displayed enter the meeting ID and When asked for your participant ID press pound Collars will hear confirmation They have entered the meeting and be told how many people are already participating in the meeting staff and council included Collars are placed on hold and muted until they're called by the last three digits of their phone number At which time they'll be unmuted and invited to speak Please remember to mute the live stream when you're called upon to speak Comments are limited to three minutes per person and each speaker will be asked to state their name and address for the record prior to proceeding with their comments Okay, I'd now like to move to approval of the agenda and Before we do that. I believe David has an amendment to the agenda I move we approve the agenda. I think we need to hear from David first and then we can go there. Thanks, Rob Yes, I just like to move that we have removed the item on the newbie conservation easement and we have moved that to Next month so that we can Tightly appropriately as a public hearing next month Great. Thanks, David. Do you know do we need to vote on that or is that? That's prerogative to remove an agenda item. I think is this I think it's that's probably to pull that And that will be approved if you when the agenda is approved approve it with the Modification or David's change Okay, thank you. I'd like to have a motion to approve the agenda as amended by David I think a motion to approve the agenda as amended. Great. Thank you. Do we have a second a second man? Great. Thanks Minaj all in favor Great. Thank you. We've approved the amended agenda and now I'd like to move on to last week's minutes Does anyone have any Changes to the minutes before we move to approve them There any edits? I found minor typos in it. Do we actually care? I don't know if it matters if there's a spelling mistake or small typo. Is that is that true? Veronica Can you tell us whether you want to know that or not or Jeff if you know? I think if you Jeff if you've identified those we should make those corrections. Yes, we appreciate you letting us know Okay, then I need a second on Can I continue? Yeah, please on page three Oasis I believe spelled wrong unless the plural of Oasis is actually OASES, which I didn't know it was if that's the case I don't think it is I Don't know. I'm just asking about the way it's spelled at the very bottom of a weight of that page Parks and Rec Board page three It should be IS that's what I thought and then I looked for a plural version of that and I couldn't find one So I think no, I think it's just IS I Did mark it up and actually I don't think I ever found there whatever else I found I didn't think was big enough of a deal to say so that's it Well on page four Macintosh should be spelled correctly Okay, we're Macintosh Lake Macintosh for Macintosh Lake is not spelled correctly. Okay, I Think you just take out the K. I will correct that Any other comments on the previous meeting minutes great can I get a motion to approve them as amended? I Move we approve the Minutes as amended Great. Thanks. Here's a second. I Second that Great all in favor Hi Great Okay, previous meeting minutes are approved. So we'll now move to our first public invited to be heard We're gonna open up open up the public invited to be heard the information will be displayed on the screen for those feeling from home Please dial 1-888-788-0099 Which is a toll free number and when prompted enter the meeting ID? 8 7 9 3 7 8 1 0 8 5 9 So we'll now take a five-minute break to allow the public to call in Council may turn off their video if you'd like during this time All right, so there's a you who have called into the meeting I've let you into the meeting and we are going to wait here another couple minutes to see if we have any callers in and What will happen is I will Ask you to unmute yourself and we ask that you Mute your livestream So if you're listening to this on YouTube or wherever you're listening to it If you can turn the volume down on that Otherwise, you're going to hear an echo in your phone when it's your time to talk We still have about another minute or so Before I take down the slide and then I will ask you to unmute yourself by calling up the last three digits of your phone number All right, vice-chair. It's been about five minutes if you're okay with us proceeding Yeah, please go ahead Caller ending in five six three. I'm going to ask you to unmute yourself You can please state your name and address for the record. Hello there Can you hear me we can hear you can yes Okay, good. My name is Leo Wilson Valentine. I am calling. I Apologize I missed the first bit of the meeting so I don't know if this is without introduction, but I'm calling in regards to Naming the beach at Union Fred's Beach I had Wilson was my dad. He was also the mayor and a city councilman for a long time And I just I wrote up a few comments So let me read when I think of the beach at Union I think of my dad sitting on a picnic bench with his ragged old shorts and sandals waiting for the wind We talk about happy places a lot these days and I can tell you with absolute certainty That the beach at Union was my dad's happy place Another thing I can say with absolute certainty is that my dad was the driving force behind what Union Reservoir is today My family has been going to Union Reservoir since the late 80s when it required a membership Dad had to learn to had learned to windsurf on various other lakes in the area And he was quite possibly the first person to windsurf at Union When he became mayor he was passionate about making Union a wakeless lake so that he and other windsurfers would have a safe place to pursue their sport In the years since in the years since Union became a part of the city of Longmont He spent a huge amount of time out there windsurfing sailing kayaking swimming and more He built himself a rowing shell some time ago and rode that thing around the lake at least a hundred times Right around the time he got tired of rowing he heard about the crazy new fad in California stand-up paddling He repurposed one of his old windsurfers Built himself a stand-up paddle and set out on the lake becoming quite possibly the first person ever to stand-up paddle on Union People thought he was crazy I'm sure that if Dementia hadn't got a hold on my dad He'd still be at Union these days pioneering some new sports Reviving an old one or just having a good time waiting for the wind Please approve the resolution in honor of my father's service to the city of Longmont and his love for Union reservoir Thank you. Thanks very much. Thanks for joining us You can move to the next color Okay, this is our next and final color Collar ending in two zero eight I'm going to ask you to unmute yourself if you could please state your name and address for the record Thank the collar is still muted. Yeah, I'm Asking him him or her to unwind themselves. Oh, we are good. Yeah, we can hear you. Thank you. Okay Gordon Peter one six thirty nine Falcon Drive Board chair and members. Thank you for serving on this valuable advisory board Parks and open space and trails are some of the community's most valuable assets when it comes to the quality of life We all enjoy I Appreciate the opportunity to address you tonight My main focus is on the proposal to designate Fred Beach at Union reservoir I believe this designation is appropriate to honor Fred's most in 13 years of dedicated service to the community as mayor and city council member Fred was mayor in 1993 when I was elected to be city manager in my 30 plus years serving in public in Three different cities. I found Fred to be one of the best elected officials I ever worked with after he left the city council We developed a close friendship and enjoyed rowing our skulls at Union reservoir Fred was the city's best ambassador when it has to reservoir He helped many novices become better at windsurfing paddleboarding rowing and canoeing The beach at Union was his classroom Fred Wilson was a visionary and a passionate advocate for increasing opportunities for all members of the Longmont community One of his early visions was for the city to acquire the surface rights at Union reservoir So that all Longmont residents could have equal access for recreation before the city Gain control of the surface rights only members of the private yacht club had access and of course this meant most Longmont residents were excluded In my opinion Fred's second great vision for our city involves what most of you know today as next light The fastest internet connection in the country When the city first wants its efforts to provide the community with high speed communication infrastructure through a private optic backbone Fred was one who saw the opportunity and supported the effort through his many internet through its many iterations Finally Fred recognized the value that sandstone ranch could have for our community and supported that effort as resident and city council member These are just a few of the reasons why I believe Fred Wilson deserves the recognition For his many contributions to our community by having the proposed sign placed at Fred's Beach at Union reservoir And since I have a few seconds left Although your first agenda item was removed from the meeting tonight. I support the Conservation easement for the newly property and I think that's a way of protecting our open space in the long run. Thank you very much Thanks very much. Thanks for joining us. I Just want to thank both of our the speakers because I was lucky enough to know Fred and Fred's Beach would be the greatest honor and I really appreciate Gordon and and Fred's daughter for calling in It was really really wonderful to hear what you had to say Thank you Any other comments before it or do we have any other callers? I don't know anymore. No, we just have the two colors Okay, with that then we'll close the public invited to be heard Bob. Did you want to just make the comment? Yes, I was going to say that I have no objection Being named that it's certainly better than Sandy Beach you know and He certainly deserves some recognition, so Great well, you'll have an opportunity to do that very shortly when it comes up on the agenda So I think well with that will close public invited to be heard and move to bold business We have no business. We should we are now ready for six feet Great, okay. We'll move to new business and as six a was removed from the agenda. We'll go to six B I'm not sure who's speaking about that David. Is that you? Yeah, this is David and again I was like to put some of the the board members has said I think Gordon and Fred's daughters did a great daughter did a great job of They talked about why this should be named Fred's Beach But I just like to take a couple minutes to kind of talk about why it ended up with proud We had the family and Gordon approach Parks and natural resources staff to say could we do something for a memorial at Fred out of the beach and you know We do memorial bricks. We do benches And that's within the realm of what we as staff can do that, you know, the idea of naming a beach felt like it was At a level that needed I think not only just the procedural process for the recognition for Fred to go through the proud process And council process for resolution. So that's the direction we decided to take since proud is responsible for naming parks Even though this is a full park. We thought it bring it to this board for your consideration and your Vote would be an important piece of this. So as you've seen here I think in the document provided for you that Fred was it, you know, I think Critical and making this a public beach and I I manage in that area now know how important that is to the public So throughout the coronavirus knowing how much people needed to get outside Needed to have these public spaces. I think it's a great place. I've seen how much the public loves it And I think this is a great recommendation the staff supports as well as the community Great. Thanks, David Yes, yeah, I guess I just wanted to clarify like in the in the new business. I'm only looking at the agenda It says name it in honor of former mayor Fred Wilson, but then people called in called it Fred speech Are we gonna call it Fred Wilson's Beach? What are with the actual proposal? Oh, could we I'm actually there There's a sign that the family and friends have actually offered paper so I can bring that up if you can say Now I'm remembering the other thing that it didn't work in the in the packet actually was the attachments one in the packet So that's that's why I didn't notice Is that visible everyone now so that's that's how they'd like it to be yes And then we will work in This will be located where So this is a piece that I don't have the exact location We've actually had John brim who is the park manager go out with the friends and family look at look at the location So as you come into the the beach swim area, that's where we'll be located in that area So that you know users of the the beach would be able to see that the exact location I don't have a map of that but it was site located by staff What's the sign made out of So that's a piece that as we put it up here Kathy Crohn Steve Brands Wiley have looked as well the friends family have worked with on rabbit hill Science and graphics. However, we do have standards. We'll probably make sure that it meets those specs and standards So we'll work the the family and friends to make that work within what they're looking for But also make sure it meets the standards for this for the city as well Well, what's the top hat of the mustache? You know We didn't really push back on that. This is all designed by the individuals you heard calling this this evening and It has significance. I'm sure as we move forward. They'll be able to provide some more information on that Can you tell us David? What is the? process that you need from us do you need a formal resolution or I would I think what I'd be looking for would be A vote to say that we could take this forward to council with the recommendation from staff and well Whatever the vote that prav would have that we would take perhaps vote plus staff recommendation to council And ask for a formal resolution then so we would be asking for resolution from council And do you anticipate that there would be any significant public opposition? for this No, not at all My only comment is Is that um When I see signs like that places I actually wish there was a little more explanation like I wish Because I appreciate signage when I go places and something is dedicated to someone I wish it was a little more on there about, you know, he was instrumental in You know bringing union to the public Or at least maybe a blurb Under union reservoir on their website would maybe be an appropriate place to just going to throw that out there I would just say that I would I would agree and again, I think at this point is we're bringing this forward To get support from staff and the boards That was our first goal and I do think that we would like to have staff work for the family But respect their intent because I would agree and I think if you go to wealth price reservoir and same same things that there we have other City buildings entities properties named after people you get a little bit more information And I'm sure to the the friends and family this means a lot for the person that did know fred I think having that there would be something we we could probably incorporate in a way that We meet their intent, but also Help those that do not know so I I think that's something that we definitely want to work with as staff With friends and family to make sure we could achieve that I had one question It's a great idea to honor mr. Fred. Uh, I just wanted to know whether is there any much cost involving Renaming the union reservoir so as far as Renaming I since it's not named already. I don't think it'd be a a cost of doing that I think that you know websites and stuff could refer to at this point But I don't think there's anything out there that really even identifies this one Be so we wouldn't have a renaming piece We might have some some cost as we go forward as we start referencing The beach it would have it as friends beach the other piece is that at this point at least and that's again why Taking through this board and through council and looking for ways we could fund this right now though The friends and family said they would pay for it and Um, I think that's a great offer I think them working with the city, but if the city needs to make changes to you know The quality of sign this the the build of the signs and make sure meets our standards and prices go up I would hope that the city would be able to look at budget sources to help offset that But right now the only cost that we really have is the sign itself and again the family is saying that they would pay for that Thank you And just to clarify it's not renaming union reservoir just naming the swim beach in honor correct, right? Yeah Okay, if there is no more questions, uh, I would entertain a motion which regards to recommending this naming to city council step I make a motion. We accept this name for freds beach as stated to go to City council great Did you have a second I seconded Okay, too. I'm not sure Veronica. Do you want to just repeat the motion for us and then we can vote That makes a motion to like to accept the name change at union beach to freds beach And and recommend but staff move that Check share that with city council Correct. Yes, correct Great all those in favor Great Anybody opposed Great the motion passes Okay, so our next agenda item is items from staff Are there any items from staff that we want to cover? I have something I'd like to talk about or share Great, so So late last week page had sent, uh, david and i an email Uh about the 2021 budget process and wanted to just share the COVID impact that recreation is currently experiencing So recreation is required to file follow a financial policy set by city council that requires us to recover 80 percent of the costs that we spend in a year that excludes Capital items over $5,000 Excludes a free community events like rhythm on the river and long mount lights It excludes our work with field maintenance and sandstone ranch So based on on that information We we are Suffering some pretty reduced revenue during 2021 And right now I'd estimate that we're going to be somewhere between 40 and 50 percent of what our normal normal revenue is That normal revenue is right over four and a half million dollars that were expected to bring in And this year we will bring in less than 200 million or two million dollars We believe that There's two issues that we have found that is that helps with that negative revenue Based directly to COVID the first item is the state and county guidelines on How many people can use our facilities at any one time? For example at the rec center We can only have Up to a hundred people there at one time And it's based on a 25 percent of your normal capacity or 50 whichever is is less And that's based on rooms that have four walls and a door So we've broken the pool into one room of 50 And then the gymnasium the track area and the workout area is another 50 And we are averaging With those reduced capacities currently about 35 percent of our capacity So and the so the second item Is that we found that people are more comfortable working Outdoor going to outdoor facilities and not quite as comfortable going indoors Just to give you an example of the impact is Before COVID hit we were averaging about 1200 people a day at the rec center right now Excuse me. It's around 229 people a day So that that number you can see how quickly that can impact your Or our revenue expectations So staff was asked to Create an estimate of where we thought we would be in 2021 We believe we're going to be at around 25 percent of our normal Revenue of the 4.5 million Which means that We will we will be short 1 million 127 thousand dollars rounded So with that reduction cost recovery The cost recovery policy requires us to reduce our budget by that much so staff made a proposal that We would cut 25 percent of all of our programming areas excluding regular staff in matching benefits that go with that And we would reduce 30 percent of the hours for our temporary employees This is going to require many of the Regular staff to be more front line working at the front desk serving as lifeguards and also pool managers field field supervisors that sort of thing And then Finally one of the things that I would say is If things get better in 2021 We have a vaccine or the virus happens to go away We will have the opportunity to as revenues grow to add those dollars back to our our budget Staff is going to be going through A process over the next two months To identify What we should continue to offer in 2021 And those items that should be Suspended until the time that Revenues start Increasing and then we could And then we go back to council to Appropriate those additional revenues so that we can spend the money And work towards getting back to the four and a half million dollar Revenue as estimates are budgeted revenue Um wanted to share that that's been pretty hard news for the staff It is a Major impact that really none of the other Departments or divisions have seen within the city And so we will keep you posted as we move forward with What our recommendations are And it's our hope to have a plan by Mid-November so that we're ready when The new budget comes into effect in january If I have any questions Thanks staff. I appreciate you providing us that estimate I have one question and then I'll go to the rest. I just wondered how quickly could the council If you come to them with You know request to appropriate funds back due to increased revenues How quickly can they act and restore those funds for you to use? It it takes normally a month or month and a half Generally the recreation budget is usually spread out through the year so if something if revenues start coming in early in the year and Let's say we have the opportunity to do rhythm on the river again We have the flexibility to to move monies to spend and pay for rhythm While we work towards through the appropriation of the additional dollars. So I think it can be done fast and it would have limited impact on Delaying programs from starting Okay, Jeff and then two. Thank you guys. Did you have a question? I had a question and I'm headed and to say I'll ask and then you can say that's not going to make any difference but I guess I'm wondering are there options for doing more parks and I guess recreation type things that would be outside Transition period like I'm just making up stuff like in Roosevelt Park. There's the covered area Could there be a workout facility move there where you have treadmills outside But a fence to protect the equipment or could pools for example be open throughout the winter in heater Is that just a waste of money and it's That it'd be really hard to keep sunset Open much longer. It closes on sunday and the challenge is that Once it starts getting colder People tend to say we'll go there, but once the cold weather hits it it's pretty difficult and You know with the with the weather that we had last week Our temperatures went from 83 Down below 77 And you have to have by code Temperatures at at least 77 degrees and once it starts staying that cold where it's in the 30s and Lower 40s all the time. We just can't keep up with the the heat and security wise, I don't know that it really worked to To move all that equipment out to the pavilion location We are continuing to do fitness classes in the parks And we're doing virtual classes and we'll continue to do those But at some point time when the weather You know gets cold. We we really don't have a lot of options Makes sense I have a couple questions one is is so as if boulder county health changes Their mandates Are you able to change quickly or do you have to go get city council approval? Let's say for example, they raise the numbers that can be allowed in the same room type of thing No, we do not have to go back to council for that and one of the things that could happen is if The numbers would go down The covet numbers the number of cases we can move to what is called protect our neighbors Based on the preliminary work our information. We've seen that bumps our numbers from 25 to 50 It starts having a Pretty big impact on The numbers of people that can be in our buildings The challenge still is Do people feel comfortable because right now If you come into our facilities, you have to wear a mask when you're working out Excluding swimming you have to wear your mask to the point where you're ready to get in the water You can go in and swim without it, but you have to put your mask back on right away, so we just are in the Last week of a survey that we're doing of of Longmont residents to see there how they feel about coming back indoors And at the october meeting i'll be able to present that information to Kind of help us direct direct us on where we need to really be spending our time by far in at centennial pool and at the rec center Aquatics is by far the the busiest of all of our locations So that was one of my questions. So when you said you could have 50 in the rec centers pool area But like that is that's just for like open swim because The fact that we can only have six at a time in the you know In the lap lanes Could that not be changed to two at a time in each lane or no the county so Originally, we were allowing multiple people in the lane about two weeks ago the county came back with A new guidance that says if it's lap swimming not in A an organized program that you could only have one person in a lane So at the rec center if you have all six lanes that would allow 44 people to be in the hot tub and leisure pool Okay So My next comment is and i'm not quite sure I understood it You said, you know if things change you could possibly bring things back like rhythm on the river and so on Is that the kind of questions you're asking in the survey like to me I would postpone events like that and use that money Towards no more recreational things. I'm just curious about why I just use that as an example because that's probably one Of the things that will be the first to be suspended Until we can have large numbers of of people. There's just no way we can do Any types of events the the questionnaire or the survey was really more generic about What is your opinion about working out indoors? Here are the types of cleaning Things that we're doing you have other things that you would recommend Um What what classes would you be willing to have you or other family members attend that sort of thing? It was really not about those Large events because like I said, we can't have those numbers together yet And one other comment I will make because I do use the pool reservation system weekly Is there a possibility that it could be? Uh people could cancel online when they're not going to be able to make it because that's one feature That I think is personally I think is a bit of a problem because when I do go swim laps Sometimes the lanes are full but sometimes there's like three people there Because they haven't shown up. I mean they've made a reservation Um, is that something that could happen? Is that just I I believe they can do it that way I think generally with I think you have to do it 12 hours before Many people are not doing that at all. They're they're just not showing especially if they're Pass holders Generally the people that call are the ones that are playing paying the daily rate No, you cannot cancel online even 12 hours before okay I was told that too and I've investigated that By asking quite a few people And the answer is no you cannot so I just think that that's something that Would be a feature that would be I think helpful Yeah, and they're we can't make that kind of modification. It's a out-of-the-box system and difficult that best for some people Overall, I think I think it's working great just so you know, I mean, I think it's it's great and it's very much appreciated I was just gonna ask if you have any idea yet what might be the status for the skating rink and the hockey program since they're outside we should have a decision made within the next two weeks of whether we will open or not financially it's going to be A challenge because we can only have 25 people On the ice in the lace-up area And in the building at one time so 25 total and the challenge with that is As people are leaving The lace-up area in the building are not large enough to handle 25 people So the county's response is You can't go above what you can handle off the ice So we're we're working on the financial side of that and we'll be presenting to Our director and the city manager in the next couple weeks Other questions Okay, great. This is nothing else. Thanks Jeff for bringing that information and Sorry, we're in this condition. Hopefully for all of our sake. Yeah Things will get better sooner than later Thank you Okay, the next agenda item is items. Well, are there other items from staff first? Okay, hearing none. Are there any items from the board? Maybe a very short meeting Rob I volunteered for with daniel Levine to monitor macintosh lake Three sunday three saturday mornings actually and That is a I think it's a it's a A disaster waiting to happen By noon there were 95 water Things on the lake canoes Canoes kayaks paddle boards all that Of the children there many were riding on the paddle boards or in the canoes and so on Only about half of them had life jackets on What was peculiar about the thing is all the dogs had life jackets But in any case it uh There were people swimming they would paddle out to the middle of macintosh lake and then jump into water and swim And you know, we don't have a rescue craft on that lake In case Somebody has to get out there And we certainly don't have lifeguards Or we don't have anything and I have a feeling Especially on the weekends on warm summer days. It's kind of out of control. We don't have any There's a lot of dangers or hazards and not a lot of control I don't know that signs Would would fix it But it wouldn't hurt but It is being used a great deal because people can't get into union And almost half the people I interviewed Were from more than 10 to 30 miles from long month That's all I have to say. It's just an interesting I don't know what the rest of the survey is. I only know about my saturday mornings But uh, it seems to me that there's a hazard there and On parks and rec. We should Consider addressing that at some point Yes, David Yeah, I just want to say one. Thanks for volunteering. I know you volunteer a lot rob And this is a project that we really were getting called out to Like macintosh quite a bit Because of masking and social distancing and really I think that was a result of how much uses out There and just a change in use for the neighbors. I can imagine if you lived out there what your backyard has turned into As I went out there and looked at things though What I saw is a little different than people had a different lens with the the The neighbors there and I would say exactly what rob said my biggest concern Was the number of people on the water, which wasn't Strictly the number but the number of people who did not have personal flotation devices People are out there if it was kids if it was adults It doesn't matter if you're A long time canoe or kayaker You fall you hit your head and it's We don't have anything out there to rescue people So that was the first piece and the second piece was the swimming which is not allowed there Again, no lifeguards And we don't test that water the state requires that if we have a beach We have to have water quality testing since we don't have a beach We don't do that and we know what's upstream from that with cattle and agriculture And the the the low depth of that water that it gets warm pretty quickly. So We definitely have some concerns about the water quality there that we're just unaware of at this time So what I want to thank you for being out there volunteering and to do so Pab knows it is probably one of my biggest concerns is how we go forward with managing that body of water Because as I've told council it's not going to go back to the way it was We talked about, you know, Jeff talked about things going back to normal If there's a vaccine or if there's you know, the virus wants its course But those people have found Macintosh. There is no entry fee like there is at union We don't have a controlled entry point. So we can't just limit the number of people. So I think we'll have to start figuring out how we manage that property Responsibly for the users for the wildlife and for the neighbors Big topic tonight, but thanks for bringing that up and Danielle Is starting to pull all that information together and should be able to provide Prab with a better well-rounded report once she pulls that information together There there the other thing was that there were a lot of cars that the parking lot I was at Fleming park, which is not on Shore Road or something and The day I was there the days I was there saturday and sunday were particularly crowded It's an interesting phenomenon But a lot of cars were parked on lake shore drive or whatever it's called in the bike lane All the way down because the parking lot was too small I don't know what the answer is there other than maybe just Saying don't don't go on the lake. I mean it's drinking water or whatever But I I do think that it has to be thought you have to think about how it's being used and How it's sort of out of control of the city in some ways it's all people who just show up from other places like nighwatt and lions and Some people even from places like In pennsylvania Yeah, because they couldn't go to sandy lake. They were up at macintosh. Yeah And if you know when Danielle would have her Survey results or when there might be more to report about potential action So since she's not here to say no, I would say we could probably have something by next meeting for you That'd be great. Thanks. And again, I I think Okay, just to the parking piece is something that we get called out a lot and again This is a challenge where people live in areas that used to be able to park in front of their house And that parking spot's gone. It's is very inconvenient for those homeowners. We have I have been paying Or the city's been paying we're going to work it out. But jeff sadder and p great We've had extra duty officers out there every weekend until labor day And there has not been a whole lot of illegal parking. It's just a lot of parking So we've been watching that as well So we're trying to watch the public health issues from the masking distancing swimming boarding And parking and it's it's just going to be a lot of challenges I think it's something that we may want to look as a board on what the recommendations were for the master plan And if those are still obtainable objectives and what we want to do One of the one of the things I noticed was in the morning The people using the park not on the water now We're talking about the people on the sidewalks and you know, we're we're senior citizens until about 10 o'clock From then on until two or three in the afternoon. It's all young people Then about four or five It's senior citizens again It's a peculiar you know It's an interesting phenomenon in any case But the senior citizens weren't swimming. They weren't doing any water sports or anything. They were walking or walking their dogs or whatever So when you went when he went to city council david Did they direct you to have um Surveying done or what what was what were they did they give a direction or No, we we didn't um, it was really me trying to I think one of the challenges that we have is tried My goal was in the survey Was try to give council a broader perspective what's happening out there because it's it's Not to diminish the calls I get but the calls are coming from people are being directly impacted by the increased use So if that's the only information you're getting it's hard one staff or pd shows I'm gonna says well, you know, it really isn't as bad as That so what what does it really look like? So I was trying to give a little bit more objective Um a bit of information to council from people like rob and other volunteers that don't have it's not staffed as saying You know, it's it's fine and it's not the neighbor saying it's horrible So really for me was trying to skit a little better look at what was really happening out there throughout the day Different times of the day and as rob mentioned, you know, we were doing morning surveys afternoon evening and weekend so That was my real goal and I guess it was for Council but also for me is you know, trying to manage that facility and and hopefully for proud in this body too as we go forward um The information you typically get us from people that are complaining. This is hopefully a little bit broader broader view of what's happening out there I apologize Yeah, and I have to agree with rob and I know everyone agrees it would be very tragic for something to happen and then You know, of course have be very reactive because in the past things like that have happened and the ditches and so on where some child is drowned and Um, I would I know you want to be we all want to be proactive But is the signage really is there a lot of signage says no swimming or is it I don't go over there often enough to really remember Yeah Go ahead rob Talking to the people I was interviewing people too in addition to other things They all knew there was no swimming in macintosh lake. They knew that there wasn't one person didn't know it And yet there they were Out there swimming, you know, so I don't I don't know if a sign will solve the problem Particularly because of people it was a hot day. Now it was 90, you know I can understand them jumping in the water going for a swim But I'm just saying that they they knew that it was drinking water and they still went swimming so then the bathroom that the Out house or whatever seemed adequate For most of the people were in and out. They came they they went paddleboard. They brought our paddleboard out Got in their car and left. It wasn't like they spent any time in the park And I think those those are exactly the pieces of information we'll work because it's easy for me as And I will say someone's been doing this in a long of you can get jaded and say Science just won't do it because we have gone out there We've had volunteers putting up additional signs and they're all like well There's a sign right there that says it and we're putting another sign up right next to it that's going to get blown down So there was a little bit of you know, I think from the staff sign side that we we have sufficient signage And this just kind of helps Reaffirm that but I do think when you have people from other areas and stuff Providing people with enough information to help them do the right thing and make the right decision Is something I'd rather err in the side of doing that but it's just one of the tools in the toolbox and again It's not going to do it all though Jeff What are the possibilities of altering the parking to influence how the resource is used? So we've had our transportation group look at that and Again Looking at how those streets are designed to have cars parked along the side of the road on both sides And still allow for emergency vehicles and vehicles to get through there If you were to close down lakeshore drive They've moved one block to the west so the people who have a problem right now the problem be the people one block over And when you have a spot what i'm seeing other to and this is why I think the survey is important You're having dad drop the family and the blow-up paddleboard and the pop-up tent off right at the lake And then he just circles neighborhood looking for a spot at that spots one block two blocks or three blocks away um You're going to continue to have that sort of pressure. So Um, I think it's going to be a constant challenge of just if you just close down parking right up there There's push out and I'm just going to example. I'll give um, I was someone else's horrible Um user this last weekend. I had my first in-person race, which was great down at Sloan's lake And that poor neighborhood looking at through the lens. I look at it now You could not get an emergency vehicle through those streets It was there was just no place that wasn't packed in that neighborhood out there. So, um, I don't know how We move forward. I think we have to start looking at creative ways of of doing this but it it's something that I think with people Being asked to get outside and do things outdoors and keep distances These spaces have become very important to people. So I don't think we want to take them away But how do we manage them in a way that? keeps everybody safe Any other items from the board? Okay, saying none. Uh, we'll move to the second public invited to be heard So we're now going to open up the public invited to be heard The information will be displayed on the screen for those feeling from home Please dial 1-888-788-0099 and when prompted enter to a meeting id 879-378-108-59 We'll now take another five minute break to allow for people to call in Vice chair, we didn't have anybody call in for the public invited to be heard You're muted page Automatically muted If all the council can come back on camera, um, I'd like to Entertain a motion that we move to adjourn the meeting Sue I can't hear you, but I think you're moving to adjourn I I uh Make a motion that we adjourn the meeting I second the motion. Thank you Okay, all those in favor Okay Great. Thanks everybody Thanks. Have a good evening. Thank you. Thanks John. Good night. Thank you Bye. Bye