 If you want to pump your body and expand your mind, there's only one place to go Mind pump, mind pump with your hosts Sal DiStefano, Adam Schaefer and Justin Andrews In this episode of Mind Pump We do our intro for about 40 minutes We start off by talking about people who work with Mind Pump who don't even listen to our show. What the fuck? What's wrong with you Taylor? Yeah, just keep making fun of you. If you hear this message, you're fired. We're gonna stop paying you so until you figure it out We also talk about creating better habits When traveling we tend to not sleep that much and don't eat as good as we typically do So we're really living the brand. I think yeah, I think I'm gonna be the asshole on the trip We'll see what happens. Yeah, you like doing that more of the asshole. I say what's gonna be Well, we're both assholes in different ways. We talk about the value of hormone testing We are working with a at-home hormone testing company You can actually order these tests and find out if your hormones are within normal range Highly recommended especially for somebody who's struggling with fat loss or muscle building Sometimes it's there's something wrong with your hormones or something off The company is everly. Well, if you go to everly e Vey well calm and enter the code Mind Pump. You're gonna get a massive 15% off We also talked about our talk at Vince Del Monte's mastermind and how we connected with other Entrepreneurs, we also mentioned Viori clothing again in this episode if you go to Viori Viori fits V U O R I clothing.com forward slash mine puppy get 25 percent off We are oh by the way, we're on another tour or another trip coming up soon So when you listen to this episode, there's a couple days left to sign up for this If it's not already full get your name on there You have to go to and you have to type in the www in the beginning for some strange reason www.minepumpmedia.com forward slash tour This is the last call for the Seattle event We also did a wrap-up of our Mother's Day weekend. Oh, mom. We love you. Thanks, mommy Then we get to the questions. The first question was what are some of the best life skills we have learned from our moms? I know I learned a lot from Justin's mom Next question What a good one today Wow, let's open up a cancer Can we explain the benefits of the Romanian deadlift over the conventional deadlift and why we included it in math black? The next question was what are some positives for competing in bodybuilding? We always talk about the negatives, but what are the positives aside from the speedo? I consider that a positive There's there's a lot of positives in there oiling up. That's a good one of my favorites And finally, what are some good ways that you can break through plateaus and strength in the size? So if your body stops progressing, you're not getting stronger and not building any more muscle What are some techniques you can apply to your routine to your nutrition that will get your body to respond again? 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That's maps prime and prime pro And if you're a personal trainer, especially You will benefit from getting those programs So you can apply what you learn in them to train your clients and separate yourself from your peers For more information on all of that just go to mind pump media dot com my boy with the the swaggy The swaggy sneakers over here tonight. I know I know yeah sponsored by night. You know I heard Wait what yeah, who is well? It's not so much a sponsorship. It's Dembs just help and promote us I don't know if you're seeing on my Instagram. I was in the night star I did a big picture of me and my favorite clothes from night, you know, and they just give me loads of gear What led to that one of the VP's of Nike was training in the gym with Glenn, you know You know Glenn and he built a relationship with them And then he was bringing loads of people in and they'd love box and burn gyms in Santa Monica and And The next thing you know, it's like do you want to get involved with this Metcon Monday? You know the Metcon shoes. Yeah a promotion with that So or definitely 100% and then next thing do you want to start selling merch? Yes. You want to start selling like you much? Yes box and burn on so that's it and we still have the Start of the relationship, but it's it's building. It's getting bigger and bigger, but it's just so good for the brand Oh, I mean to partner with a brand like Nike. That's fucking right So now do you carry now apparel Nike apparel inside your facility? Yeah, Nike slash box and burn So we've got a hoodie off to get you some next time you come down on next week. Yeah, but yeah, we've got a Nike stuff in there It's great Excellent now, how's the how's the classes and Academy stuff going? How's that going? The Academy's going really really well, you know We we the only ones that's really doing it, but we're doing it, right? We're doing it, right? You know we are well I'm spending so much of my time now not so much concentrate on the gym But concentrate on the box and burn Academy this is our education program where we teach trainers how to teach boxing and other people You know, I think boxing is one of the biggest trends in fitness right now Everyone wants the box, but the only problem is not everyone knows how to teach boxing, right? And that's where we come in what I see with what I see with it is the same problem I see with a lot of things in the fitness industry, which is People treat it as a way just to get sweating and get sore So they'll go in and they'll want to lift weights or they'll want to run They don't know how to run they don't know how to lift weights Yeah, but their idea of a good workout is oh, I got sore and I sweat a lot And that's what a lot of these boxing not your classes, but other boxing classes I've seen is people are terrible technique. They're not learning how to throw punches properly It's just swing your arms to get really sweaty what separates yours from the ones I've seen at least is you're teaching boxing and you're teaching trainers how to teach Boxing not just to make people sweat, you know, I mean, that's a big difference The real fundamentals of boxing and you know if you're a trainer and you're teaching boxing Yeah, you might get someone a good workout But if someone asks you when I move to me left, which foot do I move first and you're a trainer and you don't know the answer That question right look like a bit of a dick Yeah, but we teach them all of that stuff. It's like I'm not Big on strength work and I wouldn't try and teach one of my clients how to do like a Turkish get up or something Right, so I would if they said what weight should I use? Why is it hurt my back? What I wouldn't have a clue, you know, and I would like a bit of a dick Right, so unless you get trained in something like that or like boxing and that's You want to really stand out from the crowd and stand out from all of the other people in the industry That's a very specific skill and I think that yeah People don't realize that until they go into one of your kinds of classes where you guys really break it down and get all Fundamentals in place. Yeah, we'll break it down into the fine fine detail teaching the trainers because it is very important that you Teach the trainer knows what the hell he's talking about when he's teaching boxing, right? You know so so when's the next we have one coming up here Mind pump media and then you have some other ones one of the next ones people can sign up for yeah San Jose in in this beautiful gym. That's June 10th. Then we'll be in Sydney, Australia I know you've got a great following in Sydney in Australia. That's July 167 level one level two. Yeah, right now the one is that level one level two That's level one level one and that's where you start off and then in Sydney. You said there's one one and two Yeah, back to back city one and two and so that's July 67th, then we go to England where obviously we're around from that's in August as well So we we traveling around we yeah, we traveling around how do people sign up for this? Boxingburnacademy.com on the website with all the information on there and then they sign up and then are you are we giving Are you giving mind pump listeners? Yes coupon or something? Yeah, so we've got the coupon code is mine pump and that's for everything on the website We do online courses as well with the box and when coming to a level one level two online And use the code mine pump and you'll save a hundred dollars on any hundred dollars excellent And I hope I will hope people come here to San Jose and take some of the classes here I know it's coming up soon and June 10th But you know one of us may pop in say hi maybe but you'll be you'll be in mine pump media headquarters Yeah, or we do all of our filming and stuff like that and last time you guys were here You had about 25 maybe 30 people. Yeah, it was partner was great And I had Incredible reviews because afterwards people you know what were DMing me and we're saying it was Phenomenal and there were a couple people who were trainers have been trainers for a while who say that they've Been able to use it with their clients and that's just it if you're a trainer and you want to separate yourself from from your peers Part of the way you separate yourself is You're the the the breadth of skills that you have a level up your education I mean that's and and I feel like in training right now There's a ton of ways to do that through like basic training, but there's not a lot I mean you guys are the first ones to do this I feel like with the certification for actual teaching boxing for teaching clients I would I wish this was around when I was training because I was that asshole I was I was I was 100% one of those assholes who I had so many clients that wanted me to teach boxing like I just was YouTubing it and trying to learn and like holding pads and had some people teach me But just I wasn't even good at doing that And if there was a certification out there because you guys a certification to do it doesn't it count as CEU's for other Certifications to yes, you get CEU's for NASA. Yes. I s s a e f a So you get CEU's for that so the continued education units, which is massive That's what makes it a no-brainer to me It's like if as a trainer you already have to do these continuing education units anyway So why not add different tools to your tool belt like this? So I think it's brilliant I'm looking forward to having you guys back in here. We always love you stop and buy your time Yeah, good people so boxingburnacademy.com the code is a mine pump It takes $100 off every single course the first one San Jose June 10th. That's level one Then there's Sydney, Australia July 6th and 7th. That's level one and two do it T-shirt time Alright, we have 15 reviews. We're giving out four shirts. We've got Mitchell James Maria Maya 22 Gina Gutierrez Jay biscuit all of you are winners send the name I just read to Wisterbuns at mindpumpmedia.com send your shirt size your shipping address and we'll get that right out to you What's a whisker biscuit? I don't know sounds delicious Dude, I'm telling you right now these these new all right, bro. They're the business these new sweats from How from fiori we're not even supposed to do a commercial right now But I'm gonna be honest with you it feels like these are made with baby skin Baby skin. Yeah, I don't know we want to put that in the market. No, no, no It's not real baby skin. Okay, but it feels like baby skin feels like baby seals like rabbits fur We're just using a belt velvety. We're using a bunch of like like things that people would hate Made with the real off baby seal skin baby panda fur How good but it's really soft how good of a job did our boy Taylor do this this last trip? I'm really really bad. Not bad. I feel like he's he's halfway there He's on the rise. You know, it's no it sucks. He barely ever listens to the show so I can't make fun of him I know Expecting him to hear it anytime Katrina sees him. She tells him She's like do you listen to the show at all and he's like I tried to when I can this and that she's like you don't do He's like, yeah, honestly, it's been a while the day that he starts listening is the day. I know like oh shit. We're fucking We just got to the family now, you know, we gotta get our employees you know what though I just did an interview when somebody was asking about that about all the other people that work for us and You know, I think it it sounds probably crazy I don't think I don't know too many businesses that hire people that don't like as far as other podcasts, right? And when we meet other podcasters and their staff of people, they're all like raving fans, right? You don't get that with ours. I mean look at Casey Brett. I mean you have Ann and Brianna that do but I mean as far as Drew Taylor, I mean they don't even really listen to this show, you know what I see benefits to both, right? I see benefits to to fans working for you because then they really know, you know, the style of show Yeah, they know what you're talking about on brand with what you guys talk about Yeah, but then I also see the benefits of having someone come on that's outside of it because it's a new pair of eyes And let's be honest Taylor and Drew That's their job part of their job is to be outside of our space to make us Look and or feel different than the typical fitness brand plus either younger than us You know like that's a huge advantage for us because we don't think the same way Yeah, you know like there's things that they consider or like what's hot or what's new Coming out that people are really getting into and it's like we're not doing that kind of research Well in our space, it's really common to like everyone does the same thing. That's what I mean It's the same same old same old like the same formula and it's it's proven So I get it you know I'm saying so, you know, I know that that works it works to do that But I mean again, that's where I want to be different and I love that they're like that too They they look at the space and they go instead of looking at like oh this company's doing really good Let's mock like which is what they teach you in business I mean they tell you like find a company that's doing what you're doing and doing it really well and Find the things that they do really well and model after it and a lot of what mine pump continues to do is To do stuff that others aren't doing in our space Yeah, try and well, I think what what they're doing is they're looking at other brands that are not in fitness that do really well Yeah, and in deriving inspiration from from those types of brands which None of us would really I guess know how to do or we'd have to spend a lot more energy on in order to even come close It's outside of our bubble. Yeah, you know, we're sort of in a bubble even though it feels like a big bubble It's just like everybody sort of bubble. This bubble's about to bust Dude, how were you guys time? I was exhausted the last I'm still tired, bro. Dude. I'd last night. We should have done this when we were 20 Oh man, I'm too old for this. I mean, I don't even like really talking about it on the other tone Katrina yesterday I was just like I'm just exhausted. It's only fucking San Diego. You know I'm saying it's not like we came You know you're up, you know, like why you know what it is. It's because when we do these things The amount of energy in yeah, the amount of energy were put in it's our it was our first event and all of us were super excited So that's a lot of energy. We're trying to do our best Then we don't get we don't go to bed on time I tried one night by going to bed early and you fuck sticks were out in the in the in the jacuzzi You know having a party and you know what it's hard It is hard for us to like because you're just go go go And so then we come back and then the best part is they come back and then kids are here school You know got to do laundry got to do this day. Oh, man. You got to catch up. It's tough, man I feel like such a bitch saying that to you right now because people are listening going like fuck you guys like you talking I don't even like talking about it on here, but it's true like I was so exhausted like here We are pussy we passed out last night at nine o'clock or I did Katrina Yeah, Katrina we were getting we're going upstairs to watch the karate kid thing So I downloaded the YouTube red cuz I Justin was ranting and raving about it So I was like, you know what let's let's go in our room and we'll just we'll throw it on the laptop and we can I want to watch that so relax right so we went upstairs And I think we watched the first episode together then she went down to let the boys out to go the bathroom at like nine and By the time she got back upstairs. I was like out Yeah, he's like, dude, you were so I was so tired and that's the second day yesterday. It was Exhausted well what I'm starting to realize is what these with the stuff that we're doing and how when we do this We sprint really hard. Yeah, it's more important to Do everything that we can to maintain ourselves so that we can perform really well So I don't want to do and it is you know push on all cylinders and then don't Don't don't do all the things that we know that can help us You know maintain that and then crash and burn or get sick or just not perform You know is where we're a health and fitness podcast So we've got to be able to find that balance and it's hard. It is hard, but I think we're better I think we do a really good job. Like I think that we don't think we're great yet I think we're better. I think we're a lot better. I think our food choices are getting better We're not staying up quite as late the last two trips. I felt like I've ate great Like I've had I've compared to what we were when we first started like we would use a trip as like ah, let's read just totally Nothing, you know, we're gonna just tell me yeah Eat whatever eat whatever we feel like it for a day or two just because we're on it all all the time But it's now I've realized how important is that we're dialed even more so why we're gone So you could perform and be well I think we've been looking for gyms and getting our Exercising in a bit more when we travel that was something that like you know We'd get a little more infrequently, but we're really pursuing it now I think I mean that obviously could be something we could schedule a bit better, but it's like, you know Like we we're there to do a specific You know objective, you know what it is It's and this is a good learning experience for all of us I think because when we're on these these trips and we're doing these events and podcasts and we're interviewing people We're in that space. We're in that like this is what we're doing type of space And it's hard to remove yourself from that space to Get a workout in or instead of buying food somewhere going to the grocery store getting something That's maybe healthier, you know going to bed early because you're in that that space And you don't want to leave that space because it feels Exciting exhilarating and it's just it's hard. It is very hard to go to sleep When we do, you know when we podcast or do these events and then we're in the same house together and all we want to do is Maintain that that energy and keep it up, but the way I'm looking at it is I'm looking at it like You know like a I guess like a coach like okay Here's the deal like here's the deal if you're and you guys I'm gonna use a sports analogy When you're playing in the best of the best when you're playing in the NBA or the NFL and you're playing other talented Players other people with great genetics. You're playing other Individuals who also work hard who do what it takes then sometimes the difference between you and them is The difference is you know the players that get the weekly get the massages get the acupuncture go to bed Do the cryo therapy talk about what LeBron James does? That's what I'm saying Yeah, and so the way I'm starting to look at it in my mind is I'm starting to process this and say okay I'm gonna I'm normally I mean it. Yes, we do a lot of things good But I want to try and make it perfect and just be perfect like dominant. Yes, because that you know what? That's that'll be our advantage. I don't think anybody Can can keep up with us on all the other stuff plus throw that on top of it I think we'll be unstoppable So I think it'll be something that we're starting to get into more of a rhythm No, I could see I already notice a difference just in like hormonally like feeling better finally You know I'm saying like I oh yeah, you're a different person. Yeah, no, I can I can feel that coming out of that You know the last six months was really tough So man imagine what's going through me as we're doing all this stuff like in and then also feeling the dip in that like I can already feel my Energy coming back up because my hormones are getting back up because what I want to do is I want to go because it's now We're gonna be leaving for LA in Seattle, right? So we came back three two or three days three days here boom right back on and Events like to this time what I'm gonna try and do is I want to like at a particular time at night I'm gonna you know meditate and I'm gonna go to try to go to sleep as how hard however hard it can be Wake up at a specific time I'm gonna set my alarm because here's the other thing that I noticed that kind of you know messes me up a little bit is If I wake up at different times and I think check might even talked about this he said to wake up at the same time every morning regardless and try to go to bed at the same time because that's how your body gets in a rhythm and Even though you may still be getting eight hours or seven hours of sleep if you normally go to bed at ten But now you're going to bed at midnight and you think oh, I'm gonna wake up at seven or eight instead That may not be as good So I'm gonna try and do set my alarm for Five thirty or six a.m. And go to bed You know or at least try to get close to that because it might not be possible Right because we might be you know somewhere for a long time or whatever and see how bit But as far as it did you mentioned your testosterone levels Adam you still haven't tested no I haven't I've been kind of spacing it off feel yeah I've been waiting till I because I mean it's it was pretty obvious about three months ago and beyond you know or further back that You know it wasn't there It's very it's very very obvious to me when it's not like now I'm more on the like okay, am I like am I back to normal am I getting back to normal how close am I like to You know where I was before I mean it it's been years since I have gone This long with not even the therapeutic dose of testosterone So this is the longest in the last four years that I've gone or five years even at that That I've gone with you know no testosterone whatsoever. We're already coming up I'm already coming up on like eight months or so so I was gonna say to you is Because there's a there's a couple theories that I have because you look way different talking about how great you feel So your testosterone levels are definitely higher than they were but it'll be interesting to see if they're In a good range or if they're just higher and you have so many more receptors now That are open because you were so low for so long and I'm saying because I think when you go off testosterone for a while And it's testosterone dips think your receptors Upregulate the same way that they downregulate when you have too much testosterone So I want to see what's going on there and we Taylor set something up with everly well Are you guys familiar with everly well? We may have paleo effects. Oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah, I don't know I don't know much of about them. I know that they do You know several different tests. Did you at home? Hormone tests they have specific ones so you could do testosterone you could do I did a food sensitivity I grabbed that test haven't done it yet. Yep, you could test yourself for I believe they test for IgG antibodies, which can point you in the right direction in terms of Food intolerances so you know the the elimination diet still the gold standard But a lot of times people like well, where do I start? Mm-hmm and these tests can help point the right direction because you can see what food No, I've heard people I've heard people knock some of these at-home tests I saw this one on shark tank way back when when they first came out and I've heard good things about it But I don't I haven't personally like investigated like the accuracy of it Is it you know what I think of because I've heard some people like hate on them But then I've I've also heard from now I've heard from people that are connected to them about how accurate it actually is and it reminds me kind of like comparing You know You know body skin fold versus the dunk tank versus you know and we get into this odd and all these right Is it is it one of those things where it's like it's more about the you know Getting it done and then following up and seeing seeing it again like it's just to see the change or you know Be really accurate to where I'm at so to think so when it comes to hormones saliva tests are Pretty damn accurate the from what I've read The problem with saliva test is I think they're harder to administer because when you go to if you're in a lab You have to spit in a vial and that takes a little while to fill up a vial with or a few vials was spit So I think that may be part of the problem. I think First thing in the morning. No food. I think is important The the food intolerance test there's a lot of controversy surrounding those Because they're not foolproof And there's still controversy as to whether or not food and tolerances exist in Western medicine Well, still still so you get a lot of people saying they don't really exist So but no everly will everly wells, you know products are are legit Like, you know, it's gonna tell you if you're low or if you're normal and the way I suggest you use them is You take one test and then wait a few months make your changes and then take another one Just like with a body fat test make sure it's done at the same time, you know same Circumstances, that's how I was gonna use it like I was gonna use it the exact same way You know matter how accurate they tell me it is because I think that's what happens a lot for me But I know all of this stuff could literally change per week You know I'm saying like if you if you're doing if you're sleeping really well your diet's dialed You're training really well you take one of these tests and then three weeks later You know, you go to take it to the test again But that just happens to fall in the week where you miss sleep your stressed work is fucking you lost your job Stressed out you missed workouts all that week. Like I'm sure you're gonna see a difference I mean, I'm sure you're gonna see a significant difference in in the test So I think it's important that that that's how you're using tests like this is okay You know, it's not the end all be all but it's a great way for me to measure and see if the things that I'm Implementing into my life is actually having a positive effect on like my hormone level. So I'm excited to take it I feel like it's about time for me And the way you're gonna either way you're using it is exactly the it's the best way to use saliva test is to use it as a Gauge and to track yourself and if you if you really want to get you know down to it You can do several throughout the day so you could test some in the morning afternoon evening and here's the thing It's like when we had what's it? What's his name the carnivore diet Sean Sean Baker when he came on the show He was pointing out how cholesterol tests can be so crazy from from During the day like you could test it in the morning test it at night after a workout It'll be way lower if you fast your cholesterol goes up temporarily during the fast And so he pointed out how multiple tests are probably the best way to go. The way I look at it is Do the testosterone test once Tested again, maybe a couple weeks later same time and then you can start having fun with it and see what's going on But these are these are cool because at home, you know, I mean, yeah Anybody could do that my home and and you've already done it I have one now, so I'm just waiting to take it so I'll get on it and take it now I think it's a good time probably when we get back from this trip that's coming up because we got Me here, I mean doses first and then we got mirror and then up with them. We're back home for a long I'm gonna do another one. Thank God. It's not a drug test. You know what I mean? Bro, we did how funny was it the other day when we did we did the talk at the was it been Vince's mastermind. Oh, Vince. Yeah. Yeah, Vinny What was the nickname skinny Vinny? When we did we did a talk at his mastermind group and we're up there holding our Copper, you know Moscow mule cups while we're talking to everybody about podcasting Hey, we gotta loosen it up a little bit in there It's kind of stuffy somebody took a picture and posted it on Instagram the like this is the first time I've ever had a speaker. I've ever seen a speaker drink I Leave it to mind how we like to be the first a lot of directions like the wild card or whatever That was a good time. It was a really good time And shout out to anybody that's listening to show that we that we got a chance to talk and because when we went into Vince's talk I have to be honest that I Wasn't sure how many people were would already be on to podcasting or even interested in it much less have already been listening to Mind pump and when I got up there and first started I was like, okay Well, how many of you guys even listen to a podcast and like the whole fucking room raised their hands So I thought that was surprising and I said how many of you guys listen to mind pump and half the room kept their hands up So I thought oh wow, okay, this is cool This is our people we get to talk to then and these guys are all like guys and girls are all killers there It's a seven figure mastermind group. So most the people in here are making a few hundred is doing Yeah, they're already they're already killing the game They're just trying to make it to the to the next level and get in a seven figure So really cool audience to talk to I see I'm seeing the the a lot of these a lot of these groups now We're starting to pop up these mastermind groups. They've been around for a while where people get coached by I think they've been around for a Really long time, but I think that In and I think a great interview that talks about this is when we interviewed Lewis house and how he built his first off a LinkedIn I think you know listening to that story and when LinkedIn and You know Facebook and Instagram and Twitter and all these all these social media platforms It kept were created and gave us the ability to connect to people all over the world like intimately like that Mm-hmm. I think it made it a really easy Transition or pivot from there to create these mastermind type groups So I think it just made it easier like before you'd have to have a book out there Or you'd have to already be on TV or radio and be kind of really well known Yeah, before you could you know go to a city or go somewhere and say hey You know it's pay me X amount of dollars and we'll all get together and I'm gonna teach you how to do what I've done Where now we have this I mean even like us going down to the Ori You know we didn't when Taylor first set this all up like I don't you know I don't know how many like die-hard mind pump fans are in San Diego Like I don't know how many people are gonna on a Thursday night roll out to come see us like I really didn't know It's not like we aggressively promoted it or anything like that. So that was really interesting to see The show so that's easy and easily we could turn that into mastermind one thing that I got from it is How much I enjoy Talking to you guys with an audience Cuz you get that feedback like right now recording the podcast. I feel like would be More awesome if there was like five or ten people that we're not talking to them or anything like that But we're just doing our show But there's people in the background and then you can read them and I don't I feel like it It's almost like a studio audience when you're you know, it was the first time It actually felt like what we've kind of done on the podcast like live and I think that the interaction with the audience was Natural to where they're asking good questions, but it just fueled our Conversation instead of it just being like a lecture, which was great. I loved that. It was different Yeah, I'm really thinking you know hard about how awesome that would be to every once in while have you know I mean that'll be down the future. Nothing. I'm having an audience. I'm stoked about Where where we're gonna be or what we're gonna be doing with mirror up in Seattle this coming weekly or Wednesday This goes live one Doug tomorrow So we still have a couple days before that and they're and I know it's a much bigger vineyard So there's room for people if you're just now listening to this that we had up to mirror And this one's this will be the last one of all this one. We're actually interviewing someone First right yes owner of the founder of mirror. That's right. In fact, that's that's what we have This morning Doug we have a call with him this morning to follow up I don't know if you remember that or not make sure we're we check on the time on that But yeah, we we talked to him first and then we'll still do it'll be very similar to Viori The only difference then then Viori is that we will open up with kind of an intro to mirror And why mine pump and mirror and things like that and then we'll transition into our Q&A with our audience But it's gonna be it's gonna be a good time. I'm excited. I'm super excited I'm really excited because Viori I felt like everybody needed to get that out of their system Just so they could kind of feel what it was gonna be like now that we see What it's gonna be like I think it's gonna be really exciting because before a lot of these the seminars the meetings of things We go to it was like a split of some listeners some some not Where you know, we're finding out at the tour these are all like I can't wait till we've done You know 50 of these you know because we know what happened when we when we started podcasting however Fun it was and however good we thought we were when we started Right around a hundred episodes or so there was like this you get in the groove this shift Right in the and how good we got and you can actually clearly listen if you listen to our podcast You can clearly see there was a change Right around a hundred or 150 where really we really got just a lot better Just like anything that you do a lot same thing with YouTube like we started off and you know We do our thing and now we're starting to feel like we're Really getting into our groove and it's morphing into its own style I can't wait till we've done, you know 10 20 30 of these where it really starts to turn into its own thing and Then it really gets fucking fun. It's like learning how to play the piano like, you know Even if you really enjoy learning you're not making music until later on then when you really know what you'd you know When you're really getting comfortable with playing this instrument It's even if you enjoyed it in the beginning it's there's nothing like making music And I can't wait until you know, we get to that point, you know, I mean, I feel like it's gonna be I feel like it's gonna be just another Flow state for us another awesome thing and I'm really excited about that I have yet to I have yet to not like anything we do everything we do is has been so rewarding Yeah, you know, I really really enjoy the connecting with people. I mean I was the after part Yeah, when we spent some time with people talking to them afterwards I I said, you know, this is the piece of the business that I have to be honest Like it's we're over three years in now and we're finally getting to the stuff that I really that really excites me I really get excited to talking to other entrepreneurs or other people trying to build their business and I really like Connecting one-on-one with people and it's funny because and I was sharing this with some of the people that I got a chance to talk to You know, when we've met our peers in the podcasting space A lot of them are, you know, very talented and brilliant But a lot of them actually like prefer the At your house and on the podcast like, you know in their space where they get the computer in front of them And that's kind of like how they like to do things where That shit is that scares me like I don't fucking know how to turn on our computer Like if it wasn't for Doug like we wouldn't be able to do this Like I like put me in front of people put me in front of somebody that I can talk I can look you in the eyes and I can connect with you That to me is is more natural and I enjoy it even more It's actually taken a lot of work to do what we do right now on these mics where we're You know talking to Tons of people, but it doesn't feel like it because I can't see them and you've made a point about Why and it's so important. I think when we're up there talking I'm looking at people in the audience and And you can see the feedback if you're striking a chord and you can see a feedback if you're not You know, if you're looking at an audience and they're chattering to each other or they're looking off or they're looking at your watch Like you're not on it. You know what I'm saying after we did that That event I you know, we came home and I was just up till I don't know 130 thinking about the whole thing and and You know, when you start to experiences experience these different modalities or these different ways of Presenting yourself or what we're trying to communicate You you have there's always a learning curve. And so I was just studying it and I've also been studying Effective speakers people who speak in front of large audiences to see it, you know Because that's a skill besides the fear aspect and the anxiety aspect and the ooh, I don't like talking to a lot of people That's definitely a hurdle once you get past that though There's the how can I be effective? How can I get people to engage? And one of the things is, you know, you're not talking to a group You're talking to a lot of individuals and so you look at individuals And don't be afraid to ask them questions or to point or to nod or to You know to really to address the individuals in the audience And that also simultaneously I've discovered Makes it more comfortable when you start doing that. It's effective communicating But it's also oh, I feel more comfortable now because I'm talking to this guy in the front Or that girl in the back over there. Well, it's inclusive as well. Yeah, it's not you're not up on stage to just like Sing and dance and and it's all about you, you know, like that's not really our flavor. Anyway, we're very inclusive We want people People's opinions. We want people to throw us curveballs. You know, we want that interaction And I think that's the only way to do it is to really just pull them in draw them in one by one Yeah, it's it was it was pretty awesome. So, uh, we just had mother's day. Yeah, what'd you guys do? Did you guys do anything? Just yeah, like all kinds of stuff for my wife. I was like kind of mad Dashed to like honey doing everything um, and uh No, it was fun. I mean we we went out and and had some lunch and Uh, just spent some quality time with the kids and I mean everybody had just come over the sickness over the weekend when we were gone and so It was pretty like we did a little bit of hiking and just getting out and kind of uh, you know Just just trying to to get away from a lot of distractions You get your wife a gift from the kids Or from you or both Well, what was nice was like I did kind of like a double whammy where we were at fiori And I just like scooped up a bunch of cool gear for her there And so she was stoked on that alongside, you know getting her some flowers and um, just For me, it's really just like taking on a lot of like house Things that need to be accomplished. She just gets a lot of you know, joy out of that Now when you're when you're married like that is it is is you have to take care of your mom and wifey Is that like the deal? So one take more of her priority. I balance that out. Sometimes I I mean, unfortunately my mom gets sort of the uh lower end of the Of the attention, uh, but this year. I actually like the weekend before since my mom had been like Heavily doing a lot because my my aunt had died had passed away And she was taking care of my grandma um The house is now like she's trying to get this house ready for market and uh In my mom's the kind of person that doesn't really ask for a lot of help. She's very much like me We're like the same person which is why we kind of clash a lot but I've been really trying to kind of reach out and No ahead of time and anticipate like she needs things right and so um, I actually was uh, we we worked it out where it was like kind of a A trip or just me and my mom we went to go to the house and then I just I I mowed the lawn I straight and organized got a bunch of stuff out of the house for her took it back with my truck and um, you know helps her get it ready for for market. So Uh, she really appreciated that so that was that earned me some some equity I got a I kind of messed up a little bit. Uh, yeah Oh, not because of my mom. I always remember my mom So I got her, you know, nice card and wrote some nice stuff in there and gift card and all that stuff, but uh and flowers but uh, so Jessica's mom was visiting and you know, we got her I got her something too and her mom's a wonderful By the way, I can see where Jessica gets her wisdom. Her mom is one of the most wise calm people I've ever met just uh Right away. You want you feel like you want to like you can open up and talk to her Jessica's got that that quality as well and I totally see now where she gets it but You know, they were both asking me so we get back and it's like the day before mother's day from our trip And that night Like right before bed, you know, Jessica's mom's like, so what'd you get? Um, would you get your ex-wife? I'm like, what? What do you mean? She's like mother's day. What did you what did you get it for? You know from the kids for mother's day I'm like, oh, I guess I should should I I mean, I guess I did it last year. I got her something from the kids last year Uh, but Yeah, I didn't even think about it and then I realized like she's like, well, why not like she's the mother of your children and This and that and she's you guys both co-parent and she's totally I mean I'm pointing with it But then I realized I have a little bit of I don't know what it is a little bit of like What's the right word animosity? You know, like I'm gonna buy your present I bought you a lot of shit already at least you're honest. Well, I could feel it You know, I could feel that like that leftover feeling, you know, I mean inside of like fuck you get your own brother cares But not because I don't because I hate her or anything like that. Like I said, we work together No, I give it feels like an extra step to To do that, you know, I mean totally and you know what you know, what's funny And then I started thinking more about why do I feel this way? Like why do I feel like if and obviously, you know You get divorced and all that and you have to divide up your assets So that's always the bad the back of your head like oh you get this and I don't Yeah, but there was you know, you know what it was she ruined gift giving for me a long time ago I was like probably Seven father's days ago. Maybe maybe seven years ago for father's day She got me a gift and it was fucking nose clippers Like like electric nose clippers You know, I'm saying the ones that yeah, and I remember after that like all right, you're not gonna get shit That's cool anymore. Yeah So I thought about it. I'm like, oh, that's maybe that's still left over from that That's funny to them. But anyway, I got I might appreciate that right now, dude I think I would appreciate that just like the evolution dude. It always goes down little that I know She was just looking into the future. I was gonna say maybe she just knew you were gonna need it one day Or was it hint? Yeah One like long wizard like when you give someone a mint Hey, would you like a mint Why but anyway, so yeah, I got her I did end up getting her something and then we went to my aunt's house and you know Typical, you know, my family can never do a party that doesn't have at least 30 people So we're there just like a million people there and had a really good time my grandma my old Sicilian grandma Who's I want to say God, how's my grandma not 76 77? And she kind of walks in she can't she doesn't walk very well and You know, she doesn't have good mobility and all that stuff and but she's adorable My grandma's so sweet and she just walks up to jessica just randomly and she doesn't speak very good english And she puts her hand on jessica's shoulder. She goes, I love you It's just like what she's like. I love you a lot. You're a good girl. She's like, oh, thank you very much She's like hugging my little Sicilian grandma. So cute. I just want to pick her up and squeeze her Did you guys do anything for yeah? No, I was that uh, we spent most of the day With katrina's mom and their family they they go all out for everything I've told you guys that before so I mean for sure mother's day That's actually like a national holiday. So we said we already celebrate, you know, Tuesday not like columbus day Yeah, exactly. We already celebrate every holiday with them as it is But mother's day is is cool because it is neat to see the kids all kind of Rally together for their mom. So everybody comes over to her house and Everybody had and they do a really good job of all the siblings of coordinating Stuff before there like so mom doesn't have to do anything and it was like we did a brunch for her And so I mean we got in there like at I don't know nine o'clock in the morning and began preparing all the food and Drink and everything like there's Moses that were served It was a really fancy brunch that we threw at her house with all of us collectively getting ready for it So we spent most of the day with her mom and hanging out there and then every year I've started to make this tradition where I I send my mom Justin and Jared's mom who were like moms to me when I was growing up those that know my kind of childhood history And so with that a lot of times I was at my best friend's house and their parents Feeding me or hanging out with me or taking good care of me too. So I look at them like my mother's also So I have kind of three moms And so I sent all of them You know, sherry's berry. So shout out to that company for free They they deliver chocolate strawberries And so I send it and I write a nice note for each of them individually and have it sent to their mom's houses So I did that for my mom and then I called my mom That morning and just wished her happy mother's day and stuff And then we spent the rest of the day with Katrina's mom. That was pretty much what I did Good deal boys This clause brought to you by organifi For those days you fall short on getting your organic veggies or whole food nutrition Organifi fills the gap with laboratory tested certified organic superfoods To help give your health the performance the added edge Try organifi totally risk-free for 60 days by going to organifi.com That's or gani fi dot com and use a coupon code mind pump for 20 off at checkout All right, our first question is from nelly minell What are some of the best life skills you have learned from your mother's? Follow up on you guys just say good on on topic there on the mother's day thing Gosh, I learned so many things from my mom My mom has My mom is one of the most honest people I've ever met in my entire life to the point where You know the little white lies that you do, you know, like You know mom tell him i'm sick or you know little little little things that your mom will do for you For my mom wouldn't do that like she simply would not Lie so she's got incredible integrity She's extremely hard working extremely hard working I mean, you know when I was really young she would stay at home and then as I got older she she was a teacher she Teaches and works with um special ed special ed kids and children with autism And she would come home and still just do everything for us But you know one of the best life skills I ever learned from my mom was how to Communicate how to how to express myself So, you know in my culture There's a very authoritative style of parenting Where you know the kids do what the parents say Because they said it there's no explanation like you know, you don't explain like you just do it because I told you And that's very common in my culture like you just do it But my mom used to let me argue So if there was something that I disagreed with I would Start to debate and argue with her and my dad would get mad and he'd be like, why do you? Why do you even let him argue just tell him that he has to do it or or else And she used to argue with him and say no, I like it when he expresses himself And so me and her would get into these long debates and discussions about whatever Whether it was You know, should I you know, I remember I did band I was in band when I was in fifth grade I played the trumpet naturally. Yep, and uh, you were in band two asshole Except you picked the saxophone Because you're trying to be cool trumpet. I am not including you guys In my band. Hey, you know what's funny at this age now if I was good at the trumpet, you can't tell me that wouldn't be awesome at a party Play some But anyway, uh, that's true mariachis So I convinced my my mom to buy me the the trumpet They're expensive as hell And I did it in fifth grade sixth grade and seventh grade But by the time I got to seventh grade I was like, I don't want to do this anymore because I The main reason was I hated carrying the big ass box with the trumpet in it It's like you're wearing a big tag on your head that says So, uh She used to tell me like no you you convinced me to buy this now you're gonna keep playing And so when I got into eighth grade, I remember I sat down with her and actually I actually sat her down and said, why do you have 10 minutes? She's like, why she's like, I'm busy right now. I'm like sit down. I need to talk with you And so she used to do this for me. She'd actually take time aside and let me express myself So I sat her down And I had it all planned out like how I was going to close my mom on not letting me do band anymore So I said, you know mom, I said, uh school Is very important and I think right away she knew I was up to something when I said that Said school is very important. It's important. I get good grades And and I'm going to give you guys a short version because I went on I said in order for me to focus on my school work Focus on staying stable in class and paying attention and all these different things I need to not have too many of these extra stresses in my life And I really don't like being in the band and I feel like it's Taking away from my ability To you know do these and my mom after I said that she's as I'm talking she's smiling And she says well, she says I will say this she goes You've made a very compelling argument and I'm like, oh cool. She goes you're still going to be in the band So I had to stay in the band for another year But she used to let me do that She used to let me argue with her and we'd go back and forth and I really honed my ability To communicate and I swore to god a large part of my sales ability goes to Trying to sell my mom on stuff and her letting me do that. That's cool That's we're we're very similar in that area too. That's something my mom If I were to give my mom a lot of credit for some of the things that have shaped me into the man I am today That's definitely a similar trait. We had this but we always had this ability to Communicate back and forth. Sometimes it probably wasn't the healthiest in our house But we were allowed to do that. We definitely did not live by the you know No, and because I told you so it's like, you know, we would we would discuss things like that But I would say as man, the probably the most The most or the best life skills that I learned from my mom established Values and morals with me at a very young age And you know as a young kid, I probably didn't appreciate very much, you know, I was like, oh church again Oh, we have to do devotion now. Oh, we have to do it was we had to do all these things and So as a kid, I probably resisted a lot of it, but now as an adult and I look back And realized that that much of that is my foundation and much of the things that I've applied That have served me so well as I've gotten older are a lot of the values that that she established in us at a very early age And I just learned to separate the the dogmatic piece to it that most people have when they get indoctrined by Some religion and I think That there was a time there where, you know, probably in my late teens to early 20s where I resented it. I was like about it. I didn't have The right attitude and I think once I I got old enough to realize like how important Those values were to to making me a good human being and people liking me and excelling in life I think I began to appreciate more of my mom making me kind of go through that as a as a kid So if I would say that was probably one of the most valuable things that she ever taught me Yeah, I think for me my mom was very um I want to say like a word like tenacious like she very much like is a go-getter and like it's all about action and if like one thing that I did I mean it's We're so much alike that it was very tough for me to um I guess appreciate a lot of Of what my mom was kind of teaching me growing up because we just clashed like all the time because You know, she's very stubborn very bullheaded But it was all in my interest, you know, and and she would fight Fights for me all the time Um, just because she just she cared so much and she she puts herself like all in on people and I think that um She does a really good job at just keeping constant communication with people um that are valuable to her and also like maintaining this crazy, uh, like active lifestyle, so These are these are things that um, I've definitely seen uh Myself sort of picking up on as far as Just just staying active just being constantly doing stuff and like she she accomplishes so many things all the time and and never asks for Somebody to be there to thank her for it. So I think that now being older. I'm realizing like I'm trying more To acknowledge Those things, you know with her. It's crazy how much Wisdom people who are older than you have that you don't realize when you're young And then when you yourself get older and you have kids and you go, oh shit, man Like there was so much wisdom that that they were they were presenting to me and I resisted for so long Especially when it comes to parenting once you have your own kids Boy, you have a whole new appreciation for Your parent your parents, right? Yeah, huge appreciation Yeah, the other thing my mom my mom was my mom didn't take any shit for my kids. She was also very strong And I was very strong. I got one redhead. I got one, uh one example of that I was um in the car with my cousin. I was probably 14 So we're sitting in the back and you know by the time you're two and 14 when you're a boy I'm 14 years old when you think you're you think you're a badass, right? testosterone's coming up a little bit You're bigger now. You're like, yeah, whatever. You don't know anything and you know, I'm tall and whatever now and you know You just think you're you think you know it all and so we were in the back of the car My mom was driving us to the mall And I was just talking back to where I was just being a shit acting like a teenager and so my mom says You better apologize for I don't remember what I said because you better apologize for what you just said I'm like, I'm not gonna apologize. I got that was being cool next to my cousin. Like I'm not gonna apologize We were on sanatrisa. Okay, so which is it? So if you don't you don't live in San Jose It's like three or four by three three lane Road it's a big road. So we're on there She says you if you don't apologize I'm gonna stop right here in the middle of the road Then I'm like I said I dare literally I said this I said I dare you she pulls the handbrake We're going like 40 miles an hour. She pulls the handbrake The car just It you know burns at whatever it streaks down the road Turns a little bit of sideways. We are in the middle of sanatrisa My cousin's holding on to the sides of the of the chair or the back seat And she turns around and she goes apologize or I'm not moving And my cousin looks at me. He's like He looks at me. Yeah, he didn't say he mouthed it to me But he mouthed to me was please apologize Please please and so I'm like So I like you're under my breath like I'm sorry. She's like say it like you mean it I'm sorry I was whatever, you know, and then she finally takes off and we get to the mall and she drops us off and my cousin's like He goes man. I would never fuck with your mom, dude. She's crazy I'll never forget that moment right there where she pulled the handbrake Oh, man. That was good times great game, sir. All right. Our next question is from dew flash What a dog. Hey dew flash With the full range of motion mantra ringing in our ears Can you explain the benefits of the romanian deadlift over the conventional deadlift and why you include it in maps black This is the question you picked, uh, I did pick this one Why they're too they're too different. Yeah, totally different exercise. You're you're putting a lot focus is different Yeah, you're putting a lot more focus and emphasis on the hamstrings when you're doing a romanian deadlift And there's so much more going on with the conventional deadlift I mean, obviously you're gonna get more quad activation because you're gonna sit down with the hips more and then the the back The back lift that you get from a conventional deadlifting comparison to A stiff like a deadlift when you do the stiff leg at a romanian deadlift I mean most you feel everything in those glutes and the hamstrings when you slide the hips back But very very little in the back. Yeah, it all revolves around the hip hinging, you know In that movement in particular and so that's that's definitely one that takes a little more focus and control And so it's it's something too. You're not going to load a ton of weight With initially, I mean in comparison to like your conventional deadlift where we're trying to get like everything Now that being said, I I think it's a good place to start people like I like I like to teach a romanian deadlift for a stiff like a deadlift before I teach a conventional deadlift I think a conventional deadlift Is got more moving parts or is as tougher for people to do Especially just activating your post to your chain for a lot of people is very tough because a lot of people don't focus on that And um to be able to get that involved in your conventional deadlift is is a huge benefit If this highlights something interesting and the persons obviously whoever do flash is great name by the way, uh, they This highlights that they're confused in terms of what full range of motion looks like Because I can kind of see what they what they what they mean, although it's inaccurate, right? They're looking at a conventional deadlift versus a romanian deadlift and they're comparing one because it has Perhaps a longer a better a better example of what he is or he or she is trying to say right now Would be a rack pull compared to like a conventional deadlift Yeah, so what I was going to say is like yeah If you look at a conventional deadlift and you look at a romanian deadlift you'll notice that there's a longer range of motion typically With a conventional deadlift and there may be with the romanian That doesn't mean that one is full range of motion. The other one's is a short range of motion. What it means is What you need to understand is every exercise has a range of motion potential And that varies dramatically depending on the individual and their mobility and control So when we say we want that when we say full range of motion is superior. What we mean is First off the full range of motion that the exercise allows for There are limiting factors many times with the exercise itself for example with a romanian deadlift You're going to be limited by the floor Or by your shins even if you took the weight off the bar You're only going to be able to go down as far as is your body will allow because then you'll hit your shins With the bar so there's a there's a potential there But then there's also a potential that you have within yourself and when we push full range of motion It's it's the fullest range of motion you can achieve with control stability And good mobility and that may be that can be drastically different from person to person It may be for example It may be a parallel squat for someone and maybe they go below a parallel squat Things start to break down. They lose mobility and they lose control in which case That is not their full range of motion Whereas with someone else a full squat or a full range of motion squat may be sitting all the way down On the backs of their of their, you know, their legs Because they have good control good mobility. So the key is to aim for To play within your fullest range of motion Meaning go as far as you can within the rep with good stability with good control Will you have control of the weight? This is important because I've seen people For example, I've seen people do dips And they think if they just go down as low as they possibly can that's full range of motion But you can clearly see that they have very little control at the bottom the elbows flare out or You know things shift and so they're just going outside of the range of motion So you want to test that range of motion by pushing up against the the edge of it Of your control and then little by little see if you can slowly increase that range of motion By increasing your control over new ranges of motion. That's all we mean But yeah, it's it's very subjective full range of motion is very subjective. I've trained people with injuries whose Fullest range of motion would be short range of motion for somebody with fantastic mobility But in in terms of these two exercises, they're different Romanian deadlift is all hip flexion and extension You're you're supposed to bend your knees a little bit but then fix them. So they're no longer bending They're no longer flexing extending. They're stuck It like if they're frozen and then you're just You'll just changes from the femur. Yeah everything drops down. That's it. And you're just bending at the hips You're maintaining good posture. So your spine isn't flexing and extending So you're getting this tall posture Maintain that and you just bend at the hips right where your your glutes and your hamstrings attached to and that's it Conventional deadlift your spine still should stay relatively stable But now you're doing knee flexion and extension now we're bending the knees as we come down and we're squatting more As we come down and come up and you know, they both have their benefits One is going to allow more live more weight to be lifted Overall the conventional deadlift is probably more functional But romanian deadlifts and the ability to to hip hinge is extremely important. It's a very important You know movement It's why I teach it first because I think it's it's One of the challenging things to get people to even be able to deadlift or conventional deadlift correctly Is getting them to understand the hip hinge process So, you know floor bridges and then stiff legged deadlifts or romanian deadlifts Are great ways to teach somebody the mechanics of hip hinging and keeping a nice neutral spine We do because I think it's easier to focus on that Versus picking the bar all the way up off the ground for the very first time somebody who picks the bar up Off the ground the very first time getting them to get in that little sweet spot where they're they're hinging at the hips back And they're making sure their shoulders are over the bar and they're sitting down a little bit deeper But then they're also keeping everything stiff and tight. There's there's a lot more going on with a conventional deadlift So I like to teach Like a romanian or a stiff legged deadlift first just to get The understanding and get them that that communication between the hip hinging process For their body once they get that down then I then I like to transition into like you should you should feel a stretch In your hamstrings at the bottom of a romanian deadlift You shouldn't feel a stretch in your hamstrings in a conventional deadlift unless you're super tight Like if you're a really really tight person you may feel a little bit of a stretch in your hamstrings with a conventional deadlift In which case I would raise the bar a little bit and get outside of that But with a romanian deadlift the goal is to go down until you feel your hamstring stretch with excellent form or at least with excellent posture So what that means is as you bend over What's going to happen is your hamstrings are going to reach their end range of motion And then you're going to want to keep going down and you're going to start to Uh to bend at the spine in which case, you know, you're now the exercise is wrong If you can maintain that rigidity in your spine go down as far as your hamstrings will allow you stretch them But don't compromise your spine then come up Now you're doing that full range of motion you may find any boxes You know initially because your range of motion probably needs some work and uh that might be challenging for you or You know like if you have 45 plates on there, they're a lot taller Then say if i'm doing less load, but I have to get lower. That's a lot that's substantially lower I think it's important to note too that it full range of motion is Extremely important and I think you should work towards that but not at Not at sacrifice celery pace not at sacrificing good form So in other words like if i'm training a client and they don't have the shoulder mobility to Let's say do a chest press all the way down for the bar touches their chest Ideally I want them to get there But that doesn't mean I take them there when I I know that their bodies their form breaks down before it gets there So, you know, if i'm speaking to a trainer This is where your job is to put in the work to do corrective movements and get them reconnected to that new That new range Of motion so they can so they can go to full range of motion So when mind pump promotes full range of motion It doesn't mean that we promote you take a client who isn't doing full range of motion Or potentially can't do full range and make them do full range of motion That's an injury. This is yeah, this is why we created prime and prime pro You know we're talking about bundles and stuff this month I mean that this is this is like the trainer But or the person who is looking to get to full range of motion If you know that you you don't have the capability and a lot of your joints like most people Then prime and prime pro was designed for that is to Teach you what movements you should do before you go into your lifts So you start to increase your range of motion that unloaded Right and think about it this way like If you're going beyond your Ability to control a weight you that's no longer full range of motion because the exercise is no longer the exercise anymore In other words, if I'm doing a barbell squat and I have good control and stability down to You know where I reach parallel And I you know heard some other bodybuilders say you got to go ass to the grass and so I'm like Oh, I'm going to go all the way down now, but when I go below parallel I have no stability So I force myself to anyway right your heels your heels come up either. Yeah Yeah, all kinds of stuff is happening. I'm not doing a full range of motion because I'm no longer doing a squat So so you need to understand that too is is awesome as you think you are by doing a longer range of motion It's no longer a full range of motion What you've done is you've gone your full range of motion and then you've gone beyond it With some other shit that you're doing now right and the rest of body is compensated. That's it Next question is from chris santi What are some positives for competing in bodybuilding you guys have talked a lot about the negatives What are some awesome lessons and take backs from competing? Oh, I love this question This is a really good question And I'm glad we we did this because I do feel like sometimes we beat the fuck out of the bodybuilding industry And we we pick on all the competitors, but I tell you what, you know been doing this for 15 years and My level of knowledge or my ability to be a better coach Accelerated in the the three years that I was competing 10 times more than anything else between Between getting together with these two gentlemen and creating mind pump and bodybuilding Nothing has grown me as as a coach and as a fitness leader than those two things So bodybuilding did a fucking ton for me and the the crazy part was I knew all the science heading into it But never did I have to apply it at the professional and competitive level as I did obviously when I was competing at the professional level And that really made some major connections for me That made me or gave me the ability to help others on a whole new level that I Didn't really understand until I took myself through it. So And I'll give you an example of just one of the many things I was blown away and fascinated by the fluctuation of water in and out every single day And why that was such a like game changer or a light bulb for me was Here I am for the first time ever in my life I am like meticulously tracking everything every ounce of water that goes in my system every gram every calorie every Step I take every calorie I burn every workout I do the volume I do I mean I was tracking everything And so I would start along my journey of getting shredded and I'm tracking all these things now I understand the science behind all of it. So when I decide I'm going to increase my volume I'm going to reduce my calories or increase my movement I know My body is going to be responding in the direction that it's supposed to I'm as far as leaning out But then what would happen sometimes is I would get up in the morning And maybe I wouldn't look better than I did the day before or the scale would say I was up, you know one pound And it now it didn't freak me out But I did realize that it it made me go what the fuck for a second and then I realized I realized that Oh, okay. Well, I did do, you know a You know 16 more ounces of water yesterday and I did have you know, 22 more grams of carbohydrates And oh, wow that was enough for me to hold on a little bit more water today than I did the day before now It's just water. It's not fat. So I'm actually going I'm still on pace to go where I need to go But what a mind fuck that has to be for somebody who doesn't understand the science Like imagine somebody and and at that point I remember remembering my clients and thinking of all the clients that You know, I tell them to eat this certain way and work out this way And they would come back to me the next day frustrated because they don't feel like they're seeing the change They want or they don't see the change in the scale that they want And so that really made a connection for me that wow We really can get detoured by this, you know day to day Fluctuation of water in and out of our system or maybe even the way we look if we're retaining a little more Stress goes up. I didn't sleep very well. All of a sudden my body holds onto water that day And so I started to see all these little these little details Day in and day out on the way to getting lean And it just it blew my mind and then it made me a better communicator to people that I was coaching and helping saying Listen, like the this is what's probably happened with your body And I could prepare them before it could even before it even happened that way When they saw the scale see the same or they even saw the scale go up They didn't get discouraged or they didn't go do which I knew a lot of clients did in the past Which is they would see the scale and then they go to the gym And they would they would power on some cardio or they would restrict more calories that day when I had them Right where I wanted them to be but because the scale or the mirror fucked with them mentally they changed the plan I think it's it's great. It's it's a way that people like they're forced to be hyper aware of all their habits and all of Um, whatever they're putting into the body and invisibly seeing Of the result of that and so to to be able to track on that level And check up with yourself Continuously, it's going to educate yourself on a whole another level as far as what your body Um potential could be You know if you were to instill new habits or new Ways of of eating and training your body towards, you know, a specific goal So, you know on that level it's it's extreme It's a sport which you know, we've brought up to where like to get to a show You know stage sort of presentation It's going to take like extreme levels of discipline and dedication It even made me more skeptical about supplements, which I already was very skeptical about as it was heading into competing And what I mean by that is You know, we've all taken a You know protein powder, creatine a branch chain amino acid a testosterone booster or something like that and then had like this amazing Workout and been like, oh shit like this stuff fucking works. Like this is I like this I felt it, you know, I felt it or I noticed something or I felt stronger today Well, what I started to realize when I was so dialed on on my food and my nutrition and my water and all these other things that Those those those little spikes occasionally that happened 99% of the time was connected to the things that I was measuring for the first time in my life and not some You know supplement that I was adding in there and so You know, I could I could get I could really change The way I felt in a workout everything from my strength and the way I even looked in the workout by manipulating like carbohydrates You know by restricting for a couple days and then giving myself a surge of carbohydrates Then I go do a workout and let me tell you that workout shit on The fucking best stack of supplements I'd ever taken in my life Just because I was manipulating the the carbohydrates like that And so then I realized like oh shit when I hear people talk about like, oh dude, you got to try this supplement It works so well Are you got to try this on my dude that person probably has no idea That they slept better the day or two before They fed themselves better nutrition that they then they did the the last time they did that workout And then they're building upon that was what probably made the big difference in their workout But they don't they don't connect it to that. I think how you approach bodybuilding Can determine whether or not it's a it's a massive positive or a massive negative There's two things a couple things of bodybuilding that I really appreciate number one is The amount of information that you start to gather and learn and become more aware of Now that can be a double-edged sword, right on the one hand more information If you have a healthy mindset can be extremely valuable If you know how specific macros affect you and specific foods within those macros affect you And when you eat and how much water you include if you know all these things You can become more aware and move yourself more towards a healthy eating relationship or It can become obsessive and it can become it can rule you and run your life and then it becomes unhealthy Now the same is true for getting on stage if you are If you have a body image issues going on stage can either Empower the hell out of you Or it can make those worse Now i've seen people who it's who's done both for i've seen people who've become incredibly empowered very shy People or people who are like would never get in a bathing suit in front of a lot of people Or a bikini in front of a lot of people Who go through and compete and do it the right way and go in with a good coach With a good mentality and come out of it and become much more confident With themselves much more empowered with themselves through that entire process I also think competing in bodybuilding can teach you Incredible information about yourself in terms of how to control your body You know posing on stage Isn't fucking easy a lot of people think it's silly like oh you just got to pose No, it's not like flexing your bicep for your friend. No, it's totally different. You're on a stage You're wearing a speedo or a bikini when you're doing a front double bicep Your biceps are one of a whole bunch of muscles that you're that are being looked at So it's not just no the the judges aren't looking at your biceps. They're looking at the whole package So learning how to control your body present yourself and you're not looking at a mirror So it's different to when I flex in front of a mirror I can position myself and move in a way that I look good when I'm posing in front of judges I can't see what they see so I have to get a another level of body awareness Through my posing and positioning and that is also a double-edged sword It can be extremely positive If I can become more aware of my body more in touch with my body And if I have a healthy relationship with it or I can turn it in the negative and become extremely self-conscious And you know super you know like I said super self-conscious with myself and lower my self-esteem as a result So Like anything that has powerful impacts on you the the power can be done In either direction if you go into bodybuilding or competing With a good mindset You're going to gain so much information on your body so much more than you would had you not Competed in bodybuilding you're going to gain Self-confidence you're going to empower yourself To be comfortable doing things in front of people and to be comfortable with weight fluctuations Because it can also be a positive thing to be okay with being shredded and gaining a little bit of weight afterwards and a lot of stuff Or it can definitely be a negative and we talk more about the negatives typically because It's more of a warning. I think the people have the positives. We don't need to say much It's the same way I feel about crossfit. It's the same exact way. I I think bodybuilding is fucking awesome I think crossfit is awesome. Do I think it's for a majority of the people? Absolutely not. That's it. They're both sports Treat it like a sport Get good at the sport before you even try and compete at the sport You have no business in my opinion getting on a stage If you haven't learned to manipulate your body on your own already If you haven't learned how to change your macros change your movement change your program To drastically change your physique up or down any way you want to go You don't have any business in my opinion being on a stage Just like I think that you have no business trying to compete at the crossfit level or do these fucking wads If you haven't learned good mechanics like you're talking about You know olympic lifts at that that high of a level is one of the greatest expressions of movement Which I think is fucking beautiful and awesome And I think there are a percentage of people out there that have got solid sound mechanics that have That should be doing that and can do that and it's neat to watch Bodybuilding is the same way too and I think the reason why we talk negatively about it Is just because there's way more people that are doing it that shouldn't be doing it than the other way around And so it's more like that. I thought it was uh the most Arguably the most incredible experience of my life I mean I have memories from it now that will be with me forever and moments that were huge for me I learned so much about myself. It's made me a better coach so many positive things But I also believe That I was in the right headspace To do that. That's the key and you went into it. You went into it with the right mindset, right? That's it. Yeah Next up is dh Bodybuilding life. What are ways to break through plateaus strength and size wise? I love these questions We're right today, dude. So I did this morning when I was pooping at 5am I see my my my scheduled my scheduled uh bm So ways to break through your Plateaus and strength and size well Very simple very easy. I'm going to give you more specifics, but generally you just got to change things. Okay Generally when stuff isn't moving stuff is stagnant when your body's not progressing When your strength is not improving mobility is not improving whatever What you're doing isn't working. So that means you need to do something else. Okay, so that's very general You know, you need to change things The the the easiest ways to change things for strength will start there Is to train in a totally different rep range. That's a very simple basic Easy way to change things. Well, we just I mean we call these acute variables So any of the acute variables in your programming whether it's reps whether it's time of and whether it's rest, you know, whether it's um You know, you go across the board of like every little thing you can change as far as the focus being You know more endurance based or you know more of a max You know strength and power lifting type of a programming approach There needs to be an alteration of something where you've you know, like internally like I just I'm not drawn to that type of training Where you would actually benefit quite substantially if you were able to then Go through that process for a couple weeks and then apply back to well, that's that's just it. That's the problem I think what people do is they're in a plateau comfortable. Well, let's say all my squats not going up So, okay, you know, I heard a mind pump. I need to change things up So today I'm going to do a front squat and then next week they go right back to a back squat Yeah Whatever you change stick to it to long enough to where you get good at it So if you are always in the You know five reps or less phase Move it up to 10 to 15 reps Stay there so that you give your body a chance to adapt and get stronger And it usually takes about between two to five weeks Stay there and then go back to where you were before and then test yourself You it's not just a one because I remember reading bodybuilding magazines when I was a kid And they would talk about routines to shock your body like shock your biceps into growth into growth And it was always like One workout, right? It was always like this one crazy ass workout and then go back to your regular workout And you're gonna notice all these gains right or stick to that one workout forever Yeah, it doesn't work that way right right pick something different whether it's a new extra I did this one for bench press this is before you know, I can't push too hard now Because my my left shoulder had to have sure surgery years ago But before that I was always pushing my bench press and I remember I got stuck at I think I got stuck at like 320 pounds for a max And it wasn't going up and that you know for me and for guy on my side That's pretty good And so what I did was is I I got frustrated it wasn't going up and I tried everything You know shock sets and strip sets and did everything I could So I stopped benching and all I did was incline and I did incline for I don't know three four months So I stopped benching straight to incline and then I went back to bench and I added five pounds to my bench press And I was like, oh shit and I didn't even bench press anymore now and they're close enough to where there's carry over And so whatever you change into stay there So that you start to get good at it and then when you start to get good at it Then you can switch back out and see, you know, see what's happening. Yeah I look at this too because you know from a performance standpoint there's sticking points and there's these So if I'm in a lift like I'm in a bench press and I get to a point where I hit a wall Um, there's a few techniques and there's different like approaches even Strength athletes apply, you know, whether it's with using different things like chains or You know use bands or you use like isometric type training where I address that very specific sticking point So I'm at the bottom of the lift whereas my sticking point is Well, I want to be able to recruit Neuromuscularly a louder signal at that particular spot. So that's one of my Gotoos as far as if I know like specifics of where in that exercise are, you know Places I need to address I'm going to stay there and I'm going to I'm going to drive through that for a few weeks To to really bump that back up So I'm going to I'm going to address this like a bodybuilder since this is looks like a bodybuilder person is asking this question based off their handle and The the best way or in my in my opinion One of the easiest ways that you can break through these plateaus, which I think is necessary if you're competing That each time you come to the stage you're supposed to be improving your physique This was one of the things that I loved about competing was the challenge of this and I saw a lot of my peers The only thing I saw them really messing with was intensity or drugs To do that and I just I saw the opportunity like oh my god, like that's sure that's of those are those are variables too But in my opinion volume and frequency Are the two easiest ways for you to guarantee you're going to break through a plateau And so I follow kind of like the the fit principle right frequency intensity time and type So those are all the different variables that we can mess with And I would pick one or two body parts that I want to focus on not that you can't bring up your entire physique But I like to measure like one or two things and see like okay How much can I really change this body part? How much can I really develop my shoulders more between this show and the next show? And so I would pick one or two muscle groups This is also the how maps aesthetic was developed And I would implement more frequency on that muscle group and I would also track the volume So a lot of people I know don't measure and track their volume One of the easiest ways that you can guarantee to break through a plateau is by doing that because naturally What happens is you kind of after you've been training for a while You fall into these routines. Yeah, maybe you change your rep range this or that But you typically kind of do about the same amount of volume you feel you can feel it you hit your workout It's like, oh, I broke the sweat. I got this much in it's pretty good. But if you were Incrementally moving up that volume week over week You 100% are going to see size change for sure The problem is most people have one or two weeks like that where they move up in volume Then they come back a week and then they move and then it all ends up being about averaging out for the month About the same amount of volume they were doing the previous month or two maybe give or take a tiny bit So, you know volume is set sets times reps times weight And that'll give you a volume So I would pick a muscle group that I'm trying to develop and let's and let's just use the shoulders for an example Because it was the first one that I put a lot of focus on when we were I was competing So what I would do is I would all the exercises that I do for my shoulders for that Week I would measure I would I would go okay sets times reps times the weight Uh, let's just say for argument's sake that it was you know, 10 000 pounds of total volume I did on my shoulders that week. Well, okay Well next week I'm going to move to 10 200 pounds and then next week I'm going to move to 10 500 pounds and then I would move to by the following month I would be moving 12 000 pounds of volume on my shoulder shoulders And the way I would increase that was I would do that through frequency So I would you know, maybe I was at that time only doing my shoulders twice a week Now I'm going to throw in a third day where I touched my shoulders again And that would be a way for me to increase the amount of total volume That my shoulders were now getting and then they would respond and so it really is that easy I think we just get caught up in all the mundane things and like oh trying this workout trying that workout Oh, I was at this rep range now this rep range like measure your volume measure your volume And to increase the volume I always recommend increasing first frequency and then intensity And watch whatever you're trying to focus on blow up and then we didn't we didn't even mention nutrition here with us You might that's an obvious. Yeah, you might need to Switch up your diet a little bit and go into a mini cut or a mini bulk Especially when you come out of a mini cut you'll notice this little rebound effect where you start to put on muscle You can even get this from a fast, you know, I I've I've experienced this myself where I'll do a 24 hour fast Then I'll go back to eating my normal food and I get like this rebound effect where my body seems to Assimilate more of the food that I'm eating And I tend to gain a little bit of strength and size But you know food of course nutrition is I think in bodybuilding in particular If they're going to go anywhere and it's not going to be the drugs that they'll add It tends to be like we'll change your diet You know, we talk a lot about exercise programming because we know just how important that is In getting your body to progress and although nutrition although nutrition does play a massive role Um, many times in my experience. 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