 All right, so hello everyone, I hope everybody's having a great day. Hope you have a good Halloween. A couple of days ago. Today I'm joined by Nick Diego, Jessica Liscik, and Maggie Cabrera. We're here to talk about the new 2024 theme, and I'm pretty excited. I will say that. I won't give away too much if you haven't seen it. We'll wait for the presentation on that. So, today we're going to allow Jessica's going to do a presentation and share some of the fun things that they've built for this release. And this will be coming with Wordpress 6.4 on November 7th. For now, we're going to keep everyone muted during the presentation, but we're all afterward, we'll have a Q&A, so you can raise your, but during the presentation, you can also, you know, raise your hands or, you know, ask questions in the chat box, we'll also be sharing links throughout, so check out. But first, I do want to give Jessica and Maggie just a chance to introduce themselves. Yeah, Maggie, you want to go first? Okay, my name is Maggie. I'm Spain. I've been working at Automatic for three years and working on blog themes for three years. And I've contributed to 2022, 23 and 24. Yeah, I'm Jessica. I have been a contributor for like 10 years, I think. Next year it's 10 years. I just had my first day at my new job, so I work at Grade Now. And yeah, I've been working on 2024 alongside Maggie and it's been a blast. It was stressful sometimes, but it's been a very great time and we, I think we did a solid job on this, if I can say so, but I will show you in a sec. And yeah, I've also contributed to the 2023 theme with a style variation already last year, and also 2021 back in the day when we had the first underrepresented gender release with repress 5.6. Yep. That's great. Awesome. I did want to address Rich's question and the chat really quick. We have disabled video for during the presentation just but we will enable it and audio later during the Q&A. So, let's get to it then. Jessica, I'll hand it over to you and let you share what y'all been working on. Yes. All right. I will share you my screen. You should see it now with the WordPress backend. Okay. So, 2024 is coming to you next week. And yeah, let's circle back to like June and of May, June this year when the release squad got announced so And I was shortly before we camp Europe and that's where I met Maggie the first time and we immediately got into like, what are we going to do with 2024? Like, what can we do different? What can we explore or make it happen? And I always thought that WordPress, the default themes previously just showcased a lot that WordPress was a blogging system and over the past couple years, I've not only I work myself on various different websites and in the WordPress with different WordPress agencies and stuff. And many of them were not just blogs. And I felt like there's always like just these blog focus with the default themes. Why can we make it maybe a bit different or showcase different types that you can make with a WordPress website? And I remember just remember so clearly when I told that Maggie and she was like, yes, totally let's do this. And so great that we were on the same page for minute one basically. So this made us go like, okay, but none of us is a designer. We're going to do this. So we asked around and had so many questions and then we had bear joining us kind of in this journey. And we also told her like our ideas with the theme and what we should do with it. Because as you can see here on the screen, most of the default themes of the previous default themes are looking kind of the same from the basic perspective and how can we make this different. And we are came up with some fantastic designs with it. And then it was just time to make it happen. So when you first install it, so this is my local environment looks a bit wonky, but overall you will get a good impression on this. And we were happy that we have various great variety of templates and patterns that enables us not just to go with one specific kind of type of website, but actually three. So we have like a business focused website. You can make a portfolio website, or you can make a traditional blogging website. And so the patterns we have added are I will go into these later into the pattern details, but you can basically mix and match them, whatever you need for your next website. And let's jump into the styles section, because we also have quite a few different style variations. Edit, we have mostly nature themed style variations that are a bit different. This is the M bar one that got added pretty late, more muted natural colors, different fonts. Add to it. So it's basically, I think a very nice selection to like see how you can get started with something have a dark variation. Let's stick to the default for now. Quick question about style variations. Yeah, I know in 2023. It was kind of community based how was our the cell variations done for 2024. So we had originally we only had this, the default one. But then of course people asked like, can we like add style variations to it and there was a, we had an issue on GitHub where people could jump in. It wasn't an open call for style variations like 2023 had. Yeah, I think she designed a couple changing from serif and sans serif fonts and having the black one, the dark version of the, of the theme, but the rest came later like kind of organically we had an open issue and we had. We had made a few of them and then reach table also contributed some of them. It wasn't like a call for style variations in this case but they came organically doing development and I did as they had to add some more colorful ones because I was, I want to use this theme for my website and I want I dislike the black and white kind of thing. So I want colors. Yeah, that's that's why I also said like, it's a fantastic theme but we are the colors. So because we only had the default one and it's like, basically, grace and and darker colors this dark, almost black color. So, yeah, I'm pretty glad how these vibrations turned out. I mean, there's subtle, sometimes, like this one, the ice one is very, very similar just like a more of a blue colors. But then you have like these more bold colors with like this one, for example, or I think the ember one was also this bright orange buttons here. Yeah, I think it's a pretty good, good selection. Yes, let's hop on to the patterns. So we have 83 different patterns in total you can see them over here. And they're very different they have been different types of patterns. If you go to the GitHub or downloaded and look into the patterns follow there are a couple more paid files in that, which basically is that full page templates, which is basically let me scroll down here. So we have these patterns that are like the entire content of that site, but there are additional files in there so we can easily replace them and I will show you how to replace the default templates later so like the index or the archive templates. And a few more we call them hidden patterns these are like the search bar and something like that which is basically standardized and they're not showing up here. They're just simply hidden from like this view because like basically not not very much going to use this so. But they're also there to make the parents that we have in these full page layouts happen. Yeah, let's go scroll to the top I will quickly run through them so you can get an idea what patterns are provided. So let's start with like these hero pattern. It's also the first one you see on the default setting and there are various different patterns with images with buttons here's a list on it, then we have a pricing pattern, or the business part and RSVP pattern. A call to action that is for like a newsletter subscription. Then we have three different photos. So we have a very minimal photo which is the site logo a menu and a design with WordPress paragraph, then and more advanced one with columns. And then the default one with some site information here and some navigation items over there. Then we have a bunch of portfolio related patterns like in full screen image, or these gallery patterns for example so there's one with two columns one with three columns and one with four columns. So these are placeholders for images basically you need to assign featured images to your posts. And then they will show up here, if you have done so. Here's another project layout. I think this one also belongs to the portfolio range. Here are the first of these like full page patterns. And as you notice they are like they do not have the header here. Because like there's just the content area over there. Here's the portfolio. And then we have a newsletter landing page or rather large one. Project overview another RSVP landing pattern. And then we have the classic post types, post, those queries, those query patterns, this one, just one column, three columns, two columns, just the images, the portfolio. And then we have a different, a simple list of posts that we just recently added. And then we have some more various patterns, a team pattern, a testimonial one text with alternating images so you can have like different showcasing different things. Statements and FAQ pattern, I think this will be also interesting to try out for folks. And, yeah, then some more text based patterns. Then and with all of these you can pretty much create your own website, regarding what type of website it is. One thing I want to mention is that there were two, at least one pattern was previously in this theme, but it has been moved to the repris.org pattern library. And it's now referenced in the theme JSON file, which means that you do not have, we do not have to have it in the theme files. So instead the pattern just references from the library. What this means is it doesn't show up here. But it just shows up when you are directly editing a site, then you have to go to testimonials. There it is, that's the clients pattern. And yeah, you can insert it from here. Simply like you can insert any patterns from the library. It's just marked in the theme JSON file. And there's a second one which was under services. Yeah, it's this one. It's also not in the theme. It's just referenced in the theme JSON file. It's pulling from WordPress.org pattern library. So you can access it here and also use it within your as pattern within your website. Would it be at all possible not now, but to show that I'm not sure many people are familiar with that you can do that within that JSON, which is really cool that is included in 2024 as a way of doing that. You mean showing the theme JSON file, like how to implement these. Yeah, just how you know I get none now just later. It's literally two lines. Yeah, it's very well I have I have my VS code open we can I can just pull it over. Even if you would just have the GitHub. The repo that would be fine. Yeah. It's basically just. Yeah, those. Yeah. That's all you need to do. Basically. You have to. In JSON. And just a. Just a slug of the others in the directory. Exactly. That's how easy it is if there is like a pattern you find on the library. That's, that's the easy way to integrate them with your theme. I'm going to link in the chat here. This literally got published here in the last couple of weeks there is now documentation on how to do that. So definitely check it out. Cool. Yeah, I want to also show you something specific that has been quite of a discussion topic during development and we had a lot of different ways how do we want to. How do you want to make this happen, which is these. As the Rick icons over here. And what is a lot of discussion like how we can we make them appear because we do not have a default icon log. Maybe that's something for the future, hopefully someone sometime or Nick has something for you. There as well, but we need to rely on what the. What the core is. What is available at the core so it's not just we can like pull in an external plugin just for this. So, we are created these wonderful designs with the with these icons. And we ended up doing a different style style for the headings for the heading block. So basically when you go with the default, it's just like always the heading block. And you know that from the image block, for example, or what other blocks do these have their various ones, the button block, for example, as well. And this is how we implemented this also in an accessible way. So they have been suggestions to make it different that we're just inaccessible because the this icon would have been announced screen readers and that's not something that you want because it's basically just a decorative item. And, yeah, that's how you can make these. That's the way how you can make these as ricks up here above a headline. Check my notes. Yeah, now you're probably wondering, well, I have these. So there are these different types of websites you can make their portfolio and and blogging and this is the business one that is on by default so you get these as first one. How can you actually replace this one with something different. And let's hop over to the archives. Let's. Which one was it. Let's not use the next let's let's stick to the block home maybe I think that's a bit easier there. So when you're having this whole page, what you do not need to do is like to delete all these blocks and then just puzzle your new layout together you can of course do this. There is a easier function to completely replace this in one go. And this can be currently found when you are here in the template section in the sidebar. And over here at the actions item, it's called replace template. What it does it opens a new model and takes a few seconds to load, but essentially it showcases you what else can you put on there. And I think we're going for the portfolio on because it's the more different one from all of these. Click on it and give it a few seconds. The entire content of this template gets replaced in one go so you do not have to like manually delete all the locks and just have it and when I now save it. You can go to front end, and it's just like basically there and added. And that's how you can like work on with these templates basically. Yep. I think that's it. I want to go back here. I have that also. If you're creating a new page, you will get suggestions from the full page patterns that we have. Same with when you're creating a new template. If for example you want to create a specific, you have maybe a category that is art posts, and you want the archive of those to be different. You will get up like this one showing when you're getting on the warning. It's all being broken because it's a development environment. Oops. Yeah. That's just what happens. But basically, you would see these close to what you've seen before when I change the template. This is like just creating new page. Give it a few seconds to load. The G net is a bit slow on this one as well. Yeah, I think it's, as you said, it's the same with templates. Let's have a quick look at these as well. So we go to manage and we will create. What are we going to create? Let's go for a single post. Yeah. So basically the same happens over here. There are two different types. This one is the portfolio one was just the like featured image and that's one is like the regular post post type one. So let's pick this one. And there you go. Everything there and then you can make your own edits. This is the header or the footer. It's all up to you from this point on. And one last thing I want to show to you is the function stop PHP, which is smooth this one over here. Let's make it a bit bigger. So you can see this a bit better. So basically 2024 comes with a functions PHP PHP file again 2023 did not. And what the functions PHP does for the theme is basically two things. One is adding some more block styles to certain blocks. So for example, we have at the button block, we have this outlined style, which this one shouldn't be, it's not really a block. It's just CSS for the button. But you can remember. You can like select that I think. It's not something it's not like the details one where you can uncheck it and it will be removed. It's just CSS that's built on top of it. Yeah, that's the first one's a block style sheet. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Differentiate between block styles and block style sheets. Yeah, just putting them all on the same function and they're not the same thing. That's what I mean. Yeah. That might be confusing. Maybe we should add like a comment or something. Yeah, I'll go into documentation on on both of them. Yeah, I'm hoping to get them posted this week. We do have documentation coming on both of these features by the way. That's good, because everyone gets confused even me. So don't worry. Yeah, but basically we have some more CSS added through these three functions PHP file, and just quickly scrolling over. Here's our famous as there is one. And the second one is that we added a pattern category. Maybe you have spotted it before. And this just adds a another pattern category and that's that's basically it it doesn't do anything more than these few functions. And when I hop back to. So it's over here. I think it's this one and the other one when you are an editor. And then sort of basically adds this category in here. That's all the function PHP does. All right. So I think that's it from me now. Just a quick introduction. Well, thank you, Jessica. That was great to see. I knew personally this is probably the most excited I've been about a default theme in a long time. And I mean, I'm always excited just because I like theming but but this is the most excited. So, Nick, do we want to go ahead and open up the chat to anybody who does want to join in the voice speaking if they want to join in video. We do have a lot of people here so I want to make sure where we are staying on topic. We have answered quite a few questions but one of the things that has come up was, you know, kind of around. Well, maybe this is my own question. 2023 included a function dot PHP file and you went over the functions up PHP file. It is in 2024, which is fantastic. And we think about like best practices and, you know, these core themes kind of set the standard for people who are learning how to build block themes, looking ahead they will use this as an example. To implement things themselves. And I think that there are so many great examples in that functions dot PHP file that you all have implemented that maybe people didn't know about some block style sheet, implementing block styles, so on and so forth. Back to the question in the chat was around fluid or sorry, responsive sizes for funds. And I'm wondering if it might be worthwhile just to do a really brief overview of some of the features that are that this team supports in the theme that chase on file fluid typography fluid space, things like that, which maybe some of us are very familiar with it maybe someone that people folks in the chat. This is new to them, because the way we build block themes is a little bit different than classic themes or how other page builders build things. Sorry. Yeah, go ahead, make it go ahead. I just wanted to make a point about the functions PHP file, because I don't, I didn't know that it was such a controversial thing that 2023 didn't have one. But I think it's really interesting to talk about because I think as best practices for block themes, either having it or not having it could be a best practice like I don't think 2023 needs it. I don't think any block theme, particularly needs it. And also 2023 was built in kind of like foundational kind of theme very simplified very basic to be built on top of. So you want to use, you can add your functions PHP to it if you want, or you can make a child theme that has a functions PHP file. The theme itself, the way it was built didn't really need it. But in our case, we found out that we wanted one, because we wanted to have block styles and we think 2024 is opinionated and has this very specific kind of way of building itself. It's not meant to be a bare bones theme at all. It has opinion and it has things. So it needs to add those via functions PHP in this case, while still keeping it very streamlined and very simple for a block theme because it doesn't really need to add functionality or anything but we have these tools, like you said that we are making use of like we can have block styles this is how so people can see them but it's kind of, we don't, I don't think we build default themes or we didn't build 2024 trying to showcase every single thing that you can do with WordPress, but we when we found things in the design that call for this kind of stuff. So we're really in on those best practices and we try to showcase them, also documenting them as much as we could, so people can actually see I can do this this way. I can implement this on my theme or even on 2024 or not child theme work. Yeah, cool. Maybe I just share my screen again so we can quickly have a run through of the theme Jason. You already showed how you can load a block pattern from the block directory which is something that is new for the full theme. So again, it's this part here, just patterns and just at the slugs. Yeah, we're adding to a ton and gradients for every single default every single variation. Those are not the default ones those are ones that come for the theme. They're quite a few English for for having those. The way we named the colors was also something that we discussed quite a bit because there's no as we all know, there's no default way to name the colors so we went this way when other block other default themes have gone different so until we have like a way that comes from core to decide how colors should be named or how they could be represented so that you keep the contrast between them. This is what we came with with all these limitations. As far as colors. Oh, sorry. I just wanted as far as colors go we are still kind of leaning on like base and contrast right so. Yes, just as an accent, not actual standards but the fact those standards in a way. Yes, I think it helps if most things can use those two, at least those two for the base for the background and contrast for the text builder. And different themes or different websites will have different needs. So, yeah, I don't think this is also this is a nice default for people to follow but it's probably not going to be a solution for everyone, unless until we have something coming from this or seem like especially especially if you're working with patterns from the block art is things like that. I'm sure we can get rich on the to tell us all about color groups or color ways or whatever they may be called. Yeah, rich is already talking on chat. Yeah, so we some of the star relations do not have like all of these. Yeah. Colors. Yeah, exactly. So they are with the even within the cyber agents. They're not like five X and colors every time or two or three, we have three base and three contrast colors so some of them are even more limited. Yeah, let's hop onto the spacing spacing, the spacings, which are. Yeah, down to six. We just had an issue recent very recently, I think last week or this week, someone someone asking about more spacings. And if you stick to six, I think it's six is the like, I think it's seven maximum six or seven to have these like this the slider, slider kind of thing where you can choose the spacing instead of like manually typing like a drop down or a drop it shows a drop down instead of instead of the relief slider with all the stock gaps. Yeah. So basically that's a spacing I think rich came up with the spacing. Yeah, things one so I'm not the one to ask about this. I actually actually had to change the first one because the first the number number one was also dynamic and in mobile was so small that it was. Oh yeah, I remember. So I made it static for us. It was looking really bad on mobile. Yeah. Yeah, so it's not just fixed. Okay, the lowest one is like fixed to one rem and then the other ones have like, I think it's men and kind of minimum this. Yeah, maximum. Yeah. So they have like some fancy CSS stuff going on here. And yeah, then we have the bonds. So a few people were asking about the funds. They are, they are Google funds, but we load them on the, on the, we bundle them on the theme, they are loaded from your theme they're not loaded from Google. Exactly. Yeah, it's same is the same thing as 2022 I think it also has. 2023 uses only system funds, I believe, but 2022 does bundle some some funds with it. The older funds, the older default teams do that too. In the meantime, so there has been a, I was part of making this happen so that's why I know. So every default team now has default teams that previously loaded directly from Google funds have now serve us now serving the funds. Locally from the theme files. Yeah, it's been a change like early in the beginning of the year already so. Um, let's not check you, you couldn't get the waft to file formats when downloading directly from Google, or I don't know if that's changed, or do you know that you could not you could not we had to get them from elsewhere I don't remember. Yeah, I think they're not just Google funds. They are on Google phones, but we got the waft from somewhere else. Okay, I think you can do that. Sorry, this talking about formats remind me that this is the third default team that uses webp as a format for the images are bundled with the. Yeah. Yeah, we should call some a few issues. When we move to SVM, but everything's working out. Yeah, I was just wanting to mention that a lot of the Google funds out have to get up repositories, which have like, all the other formats that you might not immediately be able to get from Google. Yeah. And I will say like, the wall to format is like, I don't know, like 95% at least browser, you know, supported, I miss. So you don't need a bunch of different formats, like in the past. So that's great. But I'm, I didn't realize you were using webp for images. Yeah, that's a, yeah, that's a change I've recently made for, you know, my own theme, so that's great to say it in core theme. Real quick, I don't want to backtrack us too much, but I'm going to share Justin's article on intrinsic design, which talks a bit more about that fluid spacing fluid typography. Okay. Which is now being used in all the core theme. So if anybody's thinking about that and hasn't explored yet, check out the article. It's a good one. Thank you. And maybe one last thing about fonts is that we have also added system font stacks to have to the default seem Jason as well as every style variation that has custom funds or not custom funds but like changes the funds. Like we declare them. So if you do not want to use funds that are loading files, you can just fall back to a select directly from the editor that you want to use this system funds. And it's already there. Yeah, and for the font sizes. Yeah, we have the fluid sizes are fluid. Yes. The smaller ones are not fluid because they are really way small. You don't want to make them. Yeah, smaller. So. Yeah, so it's like the three big ones have like this men and max and fluid attribute. Yeah, that's basically it. Yeah. I have another question and I don't want to distract us from team that Jason, but I absolutely loved how you all implemented the FAQ. Arrow. Excuse me. Design for the block style. At some point, just show that because I think it like, yeah, like a lot of inspiration on what you can do with a block style, which is really cool to see in a default theme. Yeah. Just have to find it. There it is. Yeah, we have a few of those. I think most of our variations are basically that we also have a one for the list. We also have a block that has checkmarks instead of like the doll kind of thing. And we also have one. This one was it. And this one moves. So when you open the arrow moves. Yeah. points here the question whereas when it's closed it's pointing down. Yeah. And it's basically not just anything specific. I think the color of it is. Yeah, because it's a phone. Yeah. The color will change if you change the color of the block. You can try it. It should helpfully. Boom. There you go. So yeah, the arrow changes the color itself as well. I'm going to be able to show the code how that worked because I don't think people necessarily realize how easily you can like extend modify core blocks like that. Functions PHP. I'll add to that. We do have this on the list for the developer blog for an article on how to stand specifically the details of summary block. So basically just adds some inline styles. Yeah, I think I bought their bottom to the. Yes that's the entire details blog yes and basically the arrows are this style type. Yeah, the property and then you just have these the code for the actual. That's it's basically a glyph. In this case. Yeah, same with the checkmark. Yeah, and I had no idea that was possible. It was very cool when I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, that's the one the checkmark is just a code for the glyph and then some padding for it. I think it also repeats. No, it does not repeat navigation links there's a it's a it's very subtle I think it's only showing on the sidebar for the blogging theme. So you can add the variation for the navigation link and like this icon at the end of the link, which is a little arrow in a box. So open. Yeah, the blogging, the one with the sidebar. What's the sidebar. Yes. Yeah, I need to. If you create a post you can select, which is something we can also show. Oh yeah that one that will work. Yes. So you're talking about these. Yes. Sorry about that. Talking about these little arrows here at the. That is also a block style. You can switch it on or off. That is a navigation block. I also don't think that we've highlighted that this is the first block theme with with a column column. No, I don't think so I think 2022 had a pattern for it. Oh it did okay. I mean I might be wrong but I think we did have one. I might be wrong but yeah I'm very happy that we I'm using the one with the sidebar. I'm old school like that. Yeah. Yeah, there's a lot of people who love the sidebar so I'm happy that we include one. We have the version without it. You can choose between it. I think there was a question about accessibility. The chat's gotten so long now. I don't know what I was at but I think the question was around whether the theme is accessibility ready. I don't think so. I've heard a lot of people auditing the theme for accessibility and from what I know all default themes need to have the accessibility ready. I should have I should check again with Carolina to see we've not missed anything but if we miss something we will get it done before the release so that the theme is accessibility ready. All the four things should be accessibility ready. Yeah, so the sidebar reactions have been checked before but maybe we need to get say go save and do a check again just to make sure like we haven't missed anything that maybe was done changed later after the first checks have been done. So in general it should be accessibility ready. We should maybe add the tag because we don't have it. I should add. So we should add it. Yeah, make sure that we are that it's everything's cool. That's awesome. I did have a question of my own. I know how to do it, but I think maybe that some people may not as how to create a hidden pattern. You mentioned it earlier. There are some hidden patterns how they do not show in the sidebar or in the inserter. Just in case like other people, you know, do not know how to, you know, register that. Yes. Let's hop into the patterns and pick one. So for the no results one that's fairly easy. So basically what you do is you have to call it with hidden in front. I remember correctly. Well, you know, no, no, that's, um, okay, that's just sorting. Yeah. Yeah, that was basically our name naming convention for to make it clear for everyone that that was a hidden pattern. Okay, the only thing they only like the only thing you need is line five. Yeah, that's inserter. No is the thing how to make it disappear from the patterns. It's as easy as that. Yeah, there is one of the reasons why we use hidden patterns are because this is the only way to translate some of the strings, like you see here that no posts were found that needs to be translated for other languages. And right now templates that have text on them, those strings don't get translated. So making them a pattern is the way so we hide them because they are not useful for the, for the end user, they will just see the content making the website. Exactly. This is one of my favorite uses of patterns. Now, and yeah, I haven't seen it used by many things. So, you know, outside of like the core themes. And I just, I think it's one of those neat tricks that not a lot of people know. So thanks. Thank you for sharing that. We have any, I think another thing that I've not seen many themes to its. We don't have patterns load only when you want them, especially full page patterns, like the way we have patterns for the archive page, we don't want it to show when you're creating a new page, because it has the query loop and stuff that's specific for archive and you have the query title. You don't want that in like a regular page. So by changing the template types that you see online five. These pattern will only show when you create a new archive category tag author on the template. So it will not show when you create a new page. It will not show when the insertor, it will only show when you, when you are creating a template. That's one of those. And also a way to show the way to show the full page patterns when you're creating a new page. If you go to the RSVP one. Yes, so you see on block types you see core post content. The patterns that have that specific line will show when you're creating a new page. Is there a new page or a new post? I had a page just before. Yeah. The post types below it you can define what you want to show up on. So it looks like it's page and template. There's a lot of features in here in 2024. And we've talked about in random plug posts and whatnot. It all comes together in this theme, which is really cool. So many things. Yeah, like the aspect ratio on feature images and all that. So those are things that are coming on this release that we're not working before. In fact, this is that's one of the reasons why 2024 requires 6.4 and it doesn't. It works on 6.3 and we'll have some blocks that will give you some errors. So that's why we're requiring 6.4. You were saying Oh, tough question. Is there anything that didn't make it into this theme that you like to see in six point in the 2025. Things that maybe just didn't work because the functionality wasn't there yet for 6.4 and it's coming at 6.5. Nothing big, but I think there's we're still missing a proper way to build sites that are that don't have a home page a front page that is not fully for blogs. We came up like last week, early this week. Where are the query block that we had on the home page was not paginating correctly because it wasn't it wasn't inheriting from the template. And it because the main page is not it's not a block the main the front page is not a block. So yeah, I think we need to work on that. And also the, the flows for template swapping need a little, are you a little work and know that people are working on those and hopefully for 6.5. They were, they will be more prominent in the UI, changing between all those variations which I hope having 224 as an example, will make that other themes will use that kind of ability, and it will become more prominent. So having that flow more prominent will also help with the users and knowing how many things they have how many alternatives they have for the template that they're currently viewing, which is something that is not easy to see right now. But I think the original design was mainly unchanged. There were a few times where some of the things were touched and go like the asterisk at some point was in risk of actually disappearing. But hopefully we made it work. So yeah, I think that the editor is in such a nice place compared to where it was when we were building 2021 blocks and trying to have the same functionality work in a blog theme and everything and everything was missing. We have so many things that we can have like this very opinionated thing with lots of cool things for the design that actually work as a blog theme and you don't need to write like a ton of CSS. Maybe some one one little thing that I think could have a big impact on WordPress and any website overall. It's like hover styles. These were like we had to like turn down one design suggestion to have it changing the colors basically because the editor can't handle this at the moment, probably for buttons. At least it was the case. Yeah. I do know we're running up on time and I do want to apologize to some of the people in the chat that I'm sure we've missed a few questions. And you can always if you want to you can feel free to ping me or Nick for sure. And hopefully Megan Jessica will also actually ping them to I didn't want to speak on their path. But I think I can say Nick and I both will because that's our job is to talk with developers and help answer questions. Yeah, absolutely. Like ask whatever just yeah, at least for me, that's fine. So if you do have further questions that we were not able to get to today. Definitely let us know and we'll be happy to answer as quickly as we can. I did have a few announcements before we wrap things up I meant to do these early in the show sorry. So, first thing we do have a couple of new chapters in the theme handbook. And I will link them here in the chats. One is for a complete guide for theme Jason our global settings and styles. So these are just published in the last couple of weeks. There's a new templates chapter, which all of the theme handbook chapters are going to be blocked first going forward. We'll still have a classic chapter within the handbook, but so these new updates will be primarily geared toward block theming. We have three more new chapters on the way soon I hope so keep an eye out for those please check the new content out. What was the we had another announcements. Oh yeah WordPress 6.4 it is coming out on November 7. I'm really looking forward to it. Not just because of the 2024 thing but that's probably the thing I'm most excited about RC three was just released. I think it was yesterday. Yes. Yeah. So, if you're a plug in or theme developer definitely test test please and an update any plugins or things you have if needed. And if you're not a plug in or theme developer please test anyway and, you know, leave feedback. I do want to just give an opportunity for, you know, Nick, Jessica, Maggie to any final folks. Thanks for having me support. I think yeah. I was going to give one. Sorry. Just one final plug. So we do these developer hours every month this one was originally, this is technically October's developer hours. So we are going to have another event this month. It is not published yet, but it is going to be on November 30, and it's going to be about how to extend core core WordPress blocks. So, stay tuned for that there'll be an announcement all the things, but our next event will be on November 30. I'm glad you mentioned that. It's in our list, but I forgot. So thank you, Jessica and Maggie for coming on and I was, and talking about 2024. I really enjoyed it. I wish we had another two hours to just come through the theme so many exciting things. And thank you all for joining us. And the great questions and I look forward to seeing you all at the next developer hours. All right. Thanks everyone. Bye.