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So if y'all wanna see that full length interview before all them chopping up, he gonna do, y'all gotta go and subscribe to our membership package, all right? Man, hey man, listen man, we down here, KOD man, Atlanta man. You know, we've been pullin' up, we'll pull up, man, you know what I'm sayin'? We down here, man, we had to come down here and talk to this guy right here, man. Jamal Woodard is in the building, man. They got a movie comin' out. It's already out. Trust nobody too. But this dude got a lot of history right here, man. I got a lot to talk about with this guy right here, man. I appreciate you comin' on the show, man. So man, we gonna go through it like we do it, man. Y'all already know, cause I don't know if you've ever seen our show before, but I like to, as females, we love to know your history. We like to know the person. Not always about what you do, but where you came up because I feel that your story can heal so many people and people can hear that. Somebody could be out here going through something you went through 20 years. I don't know how old you are, but 15 years ago and be like, man, he overcame it. I can do it, too. Somebody who thought about committing suicide. Somebody who thought about killing somebody and going to prison for life. You could change somebody because of your story. And that's one thing I always tell people. Don't be ever scared to tell your story because you can save lives. You might not know who you're changing their life, but you will. So, born and raised, you said Brooklyn, New York? Yeah, from Brooklyn, New York. With your mom and dad? No, my dad, yep, New York, mm-hmm. They were in the same household? No. So you raised single mom? No, my pops are there in and out. Oh, really? Okay. Growing up, did you ever feel like, a lot of people sit in that seat or always raised by single parents? The pop was always there, as you said, in and out, but wasn't there all the time and it's a blessing if they were even there so some people don't know their pop and so forth. But did you ever feel like growing up, like he needed to be there, you wish he was there in the household every day? Did you feel like you missed anything or he made up with that by always being there? Nah, I ain't missed nothing. Nah, he told me, he told me, you know the game, my mom's told me the game, so, you know, yeah, nah, I ain't missed nothing. And you have siblings? Yeah, I got sisters and brothers. Are you the oldest, middle, youngest? Middle. Middle, okay. So you're not a sport one? Nah. Oh, okay. None of us are. Really? You know, they always say, baby girl or boy, cause I'm the last child and they always talk about, I'm a sport, but I don't feel that way. I feel like I'm actually the most responsible one. So that's why I had to check because, you know, that's what a lot of people say. None of us are sport, we all work. Yeah. Okay, so what was it like, or what is it like growing up in Brooklyn, New York? Because when you think about Brooklyn, or a New York period, you think about fast pace, you think about the hustle, you think about people always going to go get it. Is this a certain, it's a different mentality that people have in New York compared to anywhere else? Yeah, it's boss life. Right. You know what I'm saying? You gotta take even you gonna be, I mean, you know, we represent the strong, we represent, you know, gotta go get it. We ain't, you know, ain't nothing weak about us. It's two ways you're gonna go up or down. And most of the time you're gonna go up if you believe in yourself and put God first. You know what I'm saying? You know, we're a city that grinds. We're a city that we're up all night, 24-7. I don't care what time, Bodegas is open three, four in the morning. Yeah, I like that. I mean, you can hit anywhere, you can eat anything. Anytime. Anytime. You know. That's crazy. Very rare that a store be closed at three o'clock, four in the morning, just very rare. You'll find whatever you wanna find anywhere. From Flatbush, the best out of Eastern York, the Brownsville, the Queens, the Jersey, to Long Island, Staten Island, to the Bronx, to, it doesn't matter man, everything's a go. The first time you had to travel outside of New York, I don't know how old you were, but what blew your mind about other cities compared to how New York is? First time, there have to be palm trees in LA or palm trees in Miami. Mm, you love to see the palm trees? No, I've never seen a palm tree before, so that was the most significant thing. Right, but when you saw it, did you love it? I mean, I thought it was cool. I ain't love it, but I thought it was cool. Man, I went up there, and I'm gonna be honest, which I go to New York a lot, I couldn't, I'm a Texas dude, so it's hard to get used to it. But the last time I went, when I went up to do an interview with some guys, man, I'd interviewed Iced Tea in New Jersey. I'd never been to New Jersey in state. He told me to stay over there. I'm never staying in Manhattan again. I'm gonna be over there while I can move the elbows around. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but when I went to New Jersey, I felt like I could move around. And when I went up to Fort Drum because my daughter's in the military, I liked it up there too, but New York is compact. Manhattan is just. Manhattan, no, Brooklyn, we went over there to the biggest spot where he grew up. I went over there because it was his, what, 26 year anniversary in that mule. Yeah, that's what we went. I haven't seen that and I hung out over there. I felt the energy. I was up there. I was enjoying myself. So I love New York. I got potters in New York. You eating the food? You better know it. What the hell? Oh my God, he love. What no God then? He love, we debate on that pizza all the time because he loves New York pizza. I love Chicago pizza. Chicago got takes. I love the deep, I love the deep dish. I gotta have my deep dish. He loves his thin crust. Harley don't meet on it. Huge pizza. Whatever. Right. No. Yeah, that ain't explained, right? Deep crust, and to be honest with you, it flavor, man. It hit different. It ain't that water got it tasting totally different. And I'm off. They both, you know. I'm not rocking with a deep dish in Chicago when you got the slices in New York. That deep dish though is too big. It's smoky. You gotta be ready. He don't like a lot of cheese. He don't like all that cheese and you get a lot of cheese with it. No man, but you know, I said Texas for a reason. You did where I'm from with a little flippany or you wrap back in the day. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, you put it down. I listen to that verse called Willine called me and I was like, man, what you know about this dude? He said, grab, I'll say, yeah. He said, man, he's done all of them. Yeah, they know you. I said, man, I was checking in because I said, I gotta go interview this guy. I gotta know what's up with him. He was like, man, he ain't just do, he was telling me a story about when y'all was, I think it was when they had the awards and I think 50 was with Vivica and y'all might've been at Sony Studios or somewhere recording, but he just remembered y'all basically. Yeah, yeah, everybody, yeah, I must say everybody. Zero, all of them. That's hard, man. Not everybody. That's hard, man. I, like I said, when I heard rapper, I was like, dude, was he rapping? When Biggie was alive, was you rapping? So basically you were rapping, you were from out there. Did people compare y'all back then before he passed? Not me, no, not like that. Okay. Y'all's style is totally different. Yeah, nobody said the style is different. I mean, the flow is different. Yeah, yeah, the flow is different. But you know, that was the pioneer. So we follow him, you know what I'm saying? How big was that though when you, with your career like it is, and you being the look and having a demeanor that you have, when they see, like after he passed and you did the movie role, did you still pursue music or you didn't mess with music anymore? No, I still, I still, I mean, I still do music. I still, you know, that's gonna be a love of my life forever. Yeah, yeah. But you know, I'll just chill. I'll just be doing that and doing films and just, you know. I don't know how you find time for music because every time I look up, there's a film coming out with you, somewhere. Yeah, it's real work. It's just about working. Right. Best at what you do when you're crap. And I think growing up in New York, like you were saying, had a lot to do with that for the main fact that, that grind was built in you from birth coming up. Right, right. You know what I mean? Yeah, so basically, man, like I said, when I look at you man, that movie, that role was a big role. Was it being in the industry like you are and being in all these movies, was that movie kind of hard to get past or was you able to move on into other roles easily? But before you even get into that, how did you get that role? Just being gravy, just being gravy, all the work I put into doing that and puff saying, yo, I want you to try for big and stuff like that. Oh, okay. Just work. Okay, let's go. Yeah, so he seen it. He, yeah, he seen it. Yeah, he seen it. I mean, Mark Pitts and Wayne Barrow seen it. You know, Ms. Wallace, she called the shots. So, you know, she, she seen me, she seen it. So that was good enough for me. Man. How long before that, were you actually acting? No, I never did no acting. I was just rapping, being gravy. Wow. So did you have to do acting classes? No, I wasn't in that world. I was just being gravy, just being an artist at that time. But didn't. No, to get that role, like, you know, before they started shooting. Auditions and stuff. Audition and we did a biggie boot camp. Like we put our own little biggie boot camp together and we did things and I went to Juilliard and I studied and all that, but me chasing it, now that wasn't, that wasn't in the forte. Wow. After that being the gravy and then turning to this actor, like it did, it put a lot more exposure on you after that was a big role, right? Yeah, yeah, amazing role. So how long did you have to like going into it, prepare like yourself mentally to like, I'm gonna, I'm gonna kill this role? Or was you like? Um, we did about six months before we started. Really? Yeah, we worked, we worked. Wow. I worked, yeah. Because it was just like, you can't just go in there and just think you're just gonna, it's not a light switch, you can't just turn it on and off like that. Yeah. You know, turn it all the way on. Wow. I mean, you gotta really study and do the acting classes and voice dialect and movements and mannerism. I watched a lot of tapes. You did? Yeah, I watched a lot of tapes on one hand he used, which hand, right, left, how he talked to Lil' Kim, how he talked to Faith, how he talked to D-Rock, how he talked to C. Now he wore many hats at certain times. Man, you killed that role. Sorry to study it, yeah. Thank you so much, bro. Appreciate it. You killed that whole man. I mean, I get a little, I'm a wild boy. So, because I get excited because of our coaching, our people, man, like I say, for us to be able to tell our story now, we never had this opportunity before. Wow, it's all love. Some actors can embody a character and some actors do the best they can. Yeah, yeah. You did an amazing job. You did great. But what did, what was the surprising, because you know, we all love and know Biggie, but to do research on him, you find out a lot more. What did you find out that you didn't know about him before? Well, I'm from Brooklyn, so we already... You knew everything. Right, we already tapped in. Oh, okay. You're from Brooklyn. Now, if you're from Queens or how, you know, you ain't tapped, you probably be with Nas or something like that, but we was already tapped in. So that was kind of like, guess you would call it a cheating stage. You know, you're from there, so you know, you know what I'm saying? Exactly. It's like, going to Jamaica, you know what I'm saying? Right. You gotta know where you at. I took a, my first trip to Jamaica was me and Movado, gully god. So you got all the inside? Yeah, cause I mess with Movado, I mess with Bounty Killer, I mess with Beanie Man, I mess with Nine, I don't know Buju. Okay. But Beanie Man, Bounty Killer, Movado, I met Datas, Tivoli, I mess with Foot the Hype, Super Jamupa, you know, I'm from Brooklyn, so going out there and Kusaba Peace and Kingston and all that, was beautiful. I stayed out there two, three months. Where did you stay? I stayed in Tivoli with Datas. Really? Datas? Yeah, big, big, big, big, big, big move. Cause of course, like I tell people all the time, when people ask me about Kingston, cause I'm from Kingston, I stay a certain area, like Tivoli Garden, I-Nate Garden and all those places, don't go in those places unless you know somebody. We parted, I was with the boss man. We parted and we had a wonderful time and at that time, it was a lot going on because you know, like I mess with Beanie Man, I mess with Movado, I mess with Bounty Killer. So it's the Gully, then it's the Alliance, then it's three different crews, so it's a little hectic, but. Yeah, you had to learn though. Yeah, it was great. You all had a great time. That's good. It's good. I know when we went over there, luckily we knew somebody, we were going everywhere. Was it Sean Paul's bodyguard, and he took us to everything. Yeah, he got to know the bosses. Yeah, and the way he explained it to me, I was like, dude, what am I doing? Just something he told me, I won't say it right now, but it's like, why am I in here? We should be in here. But you just gotta know where you at and be with the right people. That's every where you go. Yeah, real talk, man. Like New York, man, like you guys, man, the culture, that's the mecca for the rap, man. Like I always give it up, man. I'm a big rock him, man. You know what I'm saying? Listen, man, I ain't playin' no games when it comes. Hey, I ain't no joke. I used to let the mic smoke. You know what I'm saying? I used to lock down Big Daddy Kane. Yeah, loved it. Big Daddy Kane, man. Like when he was dancing, and them boys was with him, too. I never, I don't know what happened to them two boys. I like talk to them, you know what I'm saying? But like, they brought that culture in, man. Like we didn't have nothing before that. You know, I'm an older cat, so I remember when there wasn't no rap. You know what I'm saying? So to see our people in that light, when that happened from whether it was basketball in my favorite sport, you know what I'm saying? Curtis Blower, whoever, it was good to have that. And then Fat Boys. You know what I remember? I was in Vegas. I was living in Vegas when Fat Boys, I first seen them. I was like, man, this is dope. Because it was a chance for us, a Sugar Hill game, but to see our people differently than we ever seen them before. For the years of hip-hop and celebrate, right? Yeah, and that just happened. I wasn't happy with that list, but you know, you know how to go, you know what I'm saying? You know, I'd be beefing with about this stuff because it's so, it's hard for me. Being that I'm from the South, when I look at, and I hear all of, you know, from the Five Mikes when my boy Benzino and all of them was doing that, it was an overlooked thing for me. So I was like, man, they don't never talk about, and I'ma say they can't, I've been saying it. They don't never talk about none of the pioneers down there that had some CDs back then or cassettes where you didn't have to pass a song. We had people like Big Mike with Rappelite. We had some with Pimp Scenic on Riding Dirty. We didn't never skip a song. Scarface, we didn't skip a song, but you never hear them talk about that. And that hurts me, like, come on, man. Y'all know these dudes riding with everybody the same way. So that's the history on the music. I'm a music head, man. Me too. But even like our daughter, she looked up the other day. Who is the- I was hot about that. Yeah, who's the best rapper? No, the goat. Who is the greatest rapper alive on Google? You know who they said on Google? Eminem. Eminem. Yeah. I asked my daughter why you don't like Eminem, because she was like, I don't like Eminem. I was like, why? You don't even know Eminem. She was like, because when you look up the world's greatest rapper, and you Google it, it pops up. I'm like, you had to do that wrong. I did it. Bam, there it goes. I said, what the hell? But it's only an opinion. Like, we gotta lift our people up, man. This thing, we brought this thing into game, man. All right. She did. She did. She did. I don't like it. Because she talk about Kool Herd every time he Jamaican. So here we go. Who started Kool Herd? Yeah, because I Google it. I said, who started rap? Because he always be messing with Jamaicans, and we always do Jamaicans. Yeah, New York. He always be talking about that. But I'm like, well, we started it, because Kool Herd did. He Jamaican. So you gotta give him his kudos. You gotta know your history, man, because without D Nice and all them boys coming through behind them, and Special Ed, and MC Shan. And they blew it up. They blew it up. They blew it up. How we doing it? Huh? That's a good talk. Man, so just, I wanna just, like I say thank you for even coming on Boss Talk, one on one, man, what a Boss is talk, man. You know? That's so good. And I just think you guys, man, a lot of the stuff, your body of work is undeniable, man. The acting thing took off for you. Kinda like with Jamie. Jamie Foxx, he wanted to be a singer, but the acting thing took off for him. Tarot Texas. You see what I'm saying? He was singing, yep. And so it's like, I wanted to do this But God had our ultimate plan to say, no, we're gonna bring you in this way. But thank God that you got brought in, huh? All right, absolutely. So how did that affect you, like far as with the acting scaling like it did, versus the music, you know what I'm saying? I mean, it's the same format. It's the same memorization, because the same way I read my raps as I write and read my raps, the memorization part is the same thing as I read the script. Okay. But you have to take on characters, though. The same script, the lyrics, it's the same thing. I'm only embodying myself while I deliver it. Yeah, yeah. It's the same thing. Yeah, I just like the way, like you came across like seamlessly, you keep going, I go back to that big role, like you, it was like you embodied that, like even like a Ray and Jamie Foxx, like you embodied that character. How many times people tell you like, man, you killed that? I mean, you know, they tell me a lot, but that's what the plan was. The plan was to make sure you deliver, especially me coming from Brooklyn, you gotta make sure you know. You had a lot on your shoulders because of where you're from, too. Yeah, you gotta make a habit. What are the bigs, mama? What did she say about it? She loved it. She loved it. She picked me, so she knew. So she knew you could do it? Well, she didn't know. She didn't know. I mean, she felt it. Yeah, yeah. But then, okay, so I re-interviewed a lot of different actors, and some of them would tell us that sometimes it's hard to turn off that character when it's time to leave the studio and go home. How do you, are you able to turn it off? Or when you get home, you still try to be bigger during that time, because when you're filming. Nah, I think it's just me being me. Okay. Yeah, I think it's just me being me. Like, I think sometimes God picks certain people that could just have, then nobody's the same. But some people have the same qualities in life, and some people are surreal with each other. Like if you think about R&B and Aaron Hall, which one of the greats, Aaron Hall, is incredible, and so are Kelly Kane. Exactly. So, you know, it's the same thing. Like sometimes you might pick somebody who can be the signature piece that anneal it. You know what I'm saying? That that can give you what you need. You're a music lover. For you to say that Aaron Hall, this doesn't have my argument. I'd be like, man, Aaron Hall. Same thing with Cisco? Yeah, yeah, yeah. KC? Yeah. You're a music man. Listen to both riffs. You still can't distinguish which riff is better. That's real. It's hard. Some people just have that equality, because you can go from Jordan and Kobe, just like that. Quickly. You see what I'm saying? That's real, man. I definitely, I see where you're coming from with it, man. Some people just have it. Some people just have it. And it's not like you trying to be like that person. It's just everybody, some people just have the connection some kind of way. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like the chorus, but we're different. You know, Big's attitude and cockiness is way louder than mine. Yeah. I'm super humble, I'm super laid back. Big is more aggressive and loud, and his movement is different from mine. I'm way less of that. I'm super laid back. I gotta know you to open up bigger, open up from the door. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So you got some differences, but he's Jamaican. Yeah. Yeah. Look after Big. Yeah, say that again. I love it. I love it. So like, what did Diddy say to you about that role? I'm gonna get off this role. He loved it. He was excited. Yeah, he loved it, he put me in position. Wow. Do you guys still talk? Of course. Cool, cool. At the same time I can see him running through. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he always shows that love and he don't have to. Don't have to. At all. One thing that a lot of actors seem to dislike is when you get a role so big that when your fans see you, all they see is Biggie. Everywhere you go, they see you as Biggie. When you are trying to now elevate and go to new roles, trying to expand your acting career, how does that affect you that they still refer to you as Biggie? Well, if they don't know you, in my case, I only speak for what I know for me. If they don't know you, then they do that. But I already had a gravy history already. Gravy. I already had that way before anything else. So it was never a comparison. It was like, oh man, gravy did this thing playing big. It was already, that's already there. So it was never like as somebody just to act and try and play big. How you get a name gravy? And who gave that to you? Oh, street name for me staying on top of my game. Yeah, gravy's always on top. Oh, I never thought about that. That's real. I never thought. I was like gravy, how did, where did that name come from? Okay, I got it. Man, I like, when you, when the my, like the music, I will go back to that music a little bit in New York, they go with the lyrics. They not playing with them lyrics. If you don't have lyrics, they don't really respect you. Like you got to bring it. You know what I'm saying? So did you ever, was you one of them guys to battle? Like, you know, y'all be gonna battle. We don't do battle rap. No, never did. Never did. No, we ain't do no. Because Biggie said, you know, when it first, when he came in and showed him. We don't do the battle rap. No, we write songs and we, we produce and, you know. That's all. I thought all the York artists pushed that key. Start out like that. That's key thing. I thought that's what they all do. Well, I'll let you put your fucking mouth. Yeah. Nah, that's not the original rap. Nah, that's late on. That was late on. Yeah, that was late on. Oh, wow. Cause all the movies I've seen, that's how all the kids are always on. But they talking about like Jay-Z's battle deal links and all this stuff, you know. They might say battle raps, but really those are just freestyle, dudes rapping, but they ain't really like no battle rap. I think battle rap nowadays is on a whole another level. It different, ain't it? Yeah, it's super different. It's more personal. Yeah, man. It gets ugly. It gets very talented and very entertaining, but it can be very dangerous as well. It can be very dangerous. Cause some of the things are being said, I done seen dudes get punched and all kind of stuff. I seen a dude draw as him. See, man. Come on, man. Yeah, it gets, it gets, yeah. Intense. Yeah. And didn't come all the way around? Why drawing as him? I mean, he got punched in the face. He had. Yeah, he had to draw. Yeah. I thought he put that in the lyrics. It's a whole another, you know, they talk about your mama. I can't do it, man. But you're supposed to have a tough skin. You know what you're going in there about. Man, I'm not doing that with y'all. Not when it's real, like if somebody knows something real on you, they put your whole personal business out to the world. It's hard. Yeah. Shouldn't have stepped in the gang. No, you can't do me. I'm not out there. That's why you don't do it cause I can't deal with that. You just gotta be comfortable in your skin. I think today, today's society, you have to be comfortable in your skin with who you are. That's real. You don't have to go on front like you somebody else or be something else because games just got a lot of goofyness going on. Yeah. But even social media though, you have to have a tough skin. They're the goofies. Exactly. That's the worst. They don't know what to turn you into the goofy. If you let them. I gotta ask you that. If you let them. That's a good question. How many times you scroll through your joint and you don't even see somebody goofy and be like, what the hell just happened? What are you doing? Uh huh. And then people were eating off of that. Remember, it was about five, six years ago where ugly was the new thing. Man, ugly or you are, you just fly. Shout out to Welvin. Shout out to all the guys. Shout out to my boy, Welvin man. And then A-town. A-town. All the way to Welvin. If you had a little arm, you would smash. No disrespect. No disrespect. But I'm just saying, I've seen it. They would, you know what I'm saying? I've seen it. It wasn't the cutest things in the world, but there was the new it factor. That's it. Yeah. I've never seen a shit like that in my life. 22 Savage, shout out. It's everybody, everybody that looks. Because it's like, how can you top whatever that's crazy that's going on right now? The only way you can top it is be even crazier. Yeah, but why live for it? Man. What do you gain? And that's the thing that topic though, since we in KOD, that's the thing with the women. Like, what do you gain by applying a fake ass and flake tit? Like, what do you gain from that and then late leave with all the killing and the ass bosses and stuff come out of there and you mess it up and you don't know? I think a lot of them, the woman, because that's the discussion that we have very often because of what goes on and what just happened is the fact that he will say, it's not the men who are wanting this. All these ladies, if you talk to them, their boyfriends are not telling them, go do these surgeries. It's the woman who will be like. But it's something that, I don't know. I think it's media. I think it's. I think it's all the women. It's all the women. It's peer pressure. It comes as we came up in society, our mothers will always be covered up. We tell you that if you want to be a man that you imagine what you can see up under this beautiful dress. Exactly. Now it's just you reveal everything so there's no, you know what I mean? There's no nothing to look forward to. Nah, you're already a fake. You know what I brought to my daughter's attention the other day, because I like to watch movies from when I was growing up and stuff like that. And I don't remember what movie it was, but I could show her a barrage of movies and be like, look at the difference of these ladies that you see in these movies. They're not wearing the weeds. They're wearing perm, natural hair. That's their real butt. That's their real boobs. They still look nice and curvy or some of them are bigger or whatever, but they're all natural. And that was a generation that we were in. It was mainly about this curl or that curl or whatever, but it was not about all the fame. Nah, it was about that perm. Like, man, you got a perm. That was big back in the day. Now it's natural. No, you got a perm. Now that ain't nothing compared to what's going on. Man, so, man, I just really, like I said, when I look back at everything that we've interviewed a lot of people, but you one of those guys I really wanted to sit down with because just like I said, I love meeting the new people and the people from like New York, I got people to fly in, you know, I'm like, you flying in for boss talk? They're like, yeah, we got to come on that set. And man, and we had to get on there to KOD. We've only been doing it, what, two years? Two years. That's good. You're just like, God blessed us with people like you, man. I'll just say, I ain't gonna never forget you, but I already was on you already. But I don't have to meet you to be on what you're doing. You ain't never showed me that funny thing that you were just talking about, you know that goofy, that's a super goofy, you know, when I see you, it's like respect. All right, it's just, you know, you just kind of, I think every man and woman should have a character that they stand on. That's real. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's real. Goofy shit is just, it affects our kids. You know, I got a daughter. Yeah, that's my wife. How old is she? She's 15. Oh, girl. Son of a, that's my whole world. So at the end of the day, being goofy ain't cool when kids, like just like John Marente. Yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? Kids see you and they, you look up to you and you, you know, you holding a gun. You think that's gangsta, it's not gangsta. Man. You know what I'm saying? Gangsta is that you made it to the NBA. That's gangsta. Man, what's really gangsta is take care of your daughter. That's all your daughter, fuck. Fuck, yeah. That is real gangsta. That's gangsta, but for me personally, I take it to the next level, but like it's more gangsta when you do that and know how to handle the money that you get because so many people get that money and blow it and when you get out, you broke. You working at Home Depot after that because you ain't got the money. That don't make no sense. Man, so, you know, I think, I agree with you, but when you 2021 and they hand you that bag, I remember when I was 21, it did a hand to, I had met you then. They had me that bag back then in 2021. He gonna blow it. I'm gonna act up because I'm 2021, but when I turn 31, 41, you start to see me accept. That's why people, a lot of my partners get out and pay attention. They be like, man, he show, man, that nigga change. That nigga done got old. He been gone for seven years. You know what I'm saying? He been gone for 10 years. And so they don't understand, they looking at how he used to be, but this man that had to go through 10 years of time and when he come home now, he don't smoke no more. Maybe he drank a little bit, but he don't do this no more. 10 years a long time, people gonna change if you're in the world for 10 years, man. And it ain't really about changes, it's about just being smarter. Maybe he got smarter. Definitely, definitely. Age come with wisdom. Yeah, age come with wisdom. I wanna get into this movie, man, trust nobody too, man, like. And he was in part one too. He was in part one as well. Of course. Like what made you get into this role? What was it that stuck out to you to say, I'm gonna be in this, yeah. Well, you know, any street rolls, I love street rolls, you know what I mean? Anything to do with the streets, cause I lived it. So by experience, you know, best experience is best known by experience, you know, you've been through it. You can't act like you know something and you ain't never did it. So it's just, you know. Yeah. But I think one for me was Steve-O, putting it together, my man Steve-O doing it. Shout out. Putting that together. Working in Milwaukee, that was different for me. Yeah. I wanted to see the coach, I wanted to see Milwaukee how that was. How long did it take to film it? Um, it took us about two weeks. Oh, that's a real quick. About two weeks, yeah. Okay. About two weeks. You know, we got to the business. But it's long hours, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. You might get up like nine in the morning and it works about three or four. Wow. So it's long hours. It ain't, you know what I mean? It ain't sweet. It ain't sweet at all. It ain't sweet. But you know, we have fun. Me and working with Fat Boy, I already knew with Fat Boy. So working with him, that was good. The chemistry was good. Bianca was good. Everybody. You know what I'm saying? When you got a good cast, it's just gonna come out good. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And the storyline is good. Being and acting. Sorry about that. But being and acting, because there's a lot of young kids that also watch the show and stuff like that who might be aspiring to become an actor or actress. What is the most difficult thing about being an actor? Wow, I wouldn't know. Because everything is just so easy to you. It's just gravy. I wouldn't know that part. I wouldn't know how to be, I wouldn't know. Nothing. Nah, like I said, some people got it. Some people don't. Oh, what's the thing that they need to know that would be beneficial? Because I know, I would suggest for anybody to do their research, number one, definitely do your research. Check out all the paperwork, because you have people. You ain't gotta do that. No? No, you just gotta try it out. Because I never did my research. You did. You just jumped full-forcing. There's something, so I can't say that. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So, what I can't say, just believe in God, number one. I gotta stress that. Definitely, most definitely. Believe in God, number one, and then believe in yourself. You know what I'm saying? And then just go after it. I can say that. But I can't tell you homework and all that and everything. It's almost like telling a child that you have to go to college. College doesn't work for everybody. It's been proven. Right, right. Like my daughter, I want her to go to college. Of course. I want her to give it a shot. But if it don't work, she know already. They ain't, you ain't gotta. Daddy support her regardless. Yeah, but let's just try it though. Exactly. Let's try it. You know what I mean? But if it don't work, that's cool. But yeah, I mean, you gotta believe in yourself. You gotta take a chance. You gotta risk it all. Does she say she wanna be acting like you? Oh, she loves acting. Yeah, she loves acting. She loves swimming. She loves doing a bunch of girly things. So that's a good thing. But I guess I'm telling people, you just gotta go for it, man. You just gotta be in your heart. You know what I mean? Go for it, because if you don't, that's why I say, you know, trying is winning. Yeah, yeah. Some people don't even wanna try. No, you're right. They don't even wanna try it. They don't even wanna tell you about something that ain't even gonna try. I'm gonna be honest, that daughter thing is hard for me. I got two daughters and that boy thing, I can't deal with none of that. I never could with my oldest daughter. I can't, but I just don't do it way out. I don't wanna meet, I didn't meet nobody until I met her husband. You know what I'm talking about? Like I just don't play no games, man. Like when I see you, I know already what I think about it and I'm not, I'm gonna go all the way out. So I don't wanna meet nobody. I don't wanna know you, I don't wanna know. I'm not doing none of that. All I wanna do is be there for her. And I tell her, man, hey, look, you going to Brown, you go up here, you call me, I'm on the flight quick and I'm going all the way out. That's what you mean. Mm-hmm. And she more like listen to about all this stuff. I'll be like, I don't wanna hear you. Because at the same time, like, I always feel like, you need to, you need to, yeah, I'm going, you need to listen to them. I mean, because they gonna have a boyfriend or a crush or whatever, regardless. And I just don't want any girls to be trying to go behind, nobody's back to try to do stuff. I prefer for you to come to me. I've been there, done that, did a whole bunch of different stuff. Yes, your friends can tell you stuff, but they're still young too. You need to be able to come to me. I'm not your best friend, I'm your mom, but I'm still your friend, so-called. You know what I mean? So I need for you to be able to open up to me and tell me stuff. He can be the hard one in certain cases and I'll be the hardest in certain things. You have to have a balance. How are you? Do you want to meet anybody? You don't want to meet nobody. I don't want to meet anybody. I want to meet them. You want to meet them? Yeah, because I need to know where he at, because I got to see him. So is it a thing where you've had to meet somebody yet? Nah, she, I mean, she got a little- They be having them young. Crush. She got a little, at that, like, for me and her, she still, she don't really know. Like, they don't really know what love is or anything like that. I just go with the flow. Yeah. Like, I love pretending to assume, you know what I mean, she know what it is, but I always tell her, I always keep keeping 100 with mine. Like, yo, it's going to be a million boys with me. You know what I'm saying? It's going to be stages. This one is not going to last longer than, you know, this stage and that. Not saying that it can't happen. Sometimes you might meet one that'll be there forever, but that's just all about destruction. Who's to say I'm going to live in Atlanta forever? I'm going to live here. Like, you know, certain things tell you apart and move away and meet different people when you get to school, you meet different. That was the whole part of taking her out of New York. Yeah, yeah. Taking her out of Brooklyn and let her get with other students in classes where it's an Indian kid and a Russian, you know, to keep her diverse mind open. Yeah, yeah. Instead of being in a class with just 30 black kids. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She need to see other things. Yeah. That's a better thing. Not saying it's wrong, but I wanted to see other things. I think you did it right. You know what I mean? Other ethnic groups and just mix. Don't get into that world of race. Don't get into none of that. We all the same. That's real. So that's it. But, you know, right now, 15, she ain't really. She ain't into that. I mean, like, you know, I'll always be loyal to my son, my father, so there's certain things my mother going to know more than me. Exactly. There you go. So I guess we on the same page. Yeah, my father, I mean, she's not going to give me the whole shebang. You know what I mean? I know she's doing things that I know she's doing already. That's the balance. I'm smart though. I'm not, you know, I'm not, you know, I know you out there doing other things. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, just, you know, respect me enough to tell me if things go wrong. That's all I want. That's it. That's it. Yeah, don't fall in love with a nigga putting his hands on you. I ain't trying to hear that. See, I ain't saying a woman or I'll be the one who'd be sitting there saying, okay, these are the clues you look for. If you see this happen, head this way. You know what I mean? I feel like you need to prepare them for certain things because certain things will happen. And you're not going to always be there all the time because they're going to leave your house and be gone. They need to know what to look for. The telltale signs. That's the mother part. That's the mother part. I don't discuss her sacred spot and all that with the stuff, you know, I'll let the moms handle that. Yeah, yeah. I'll just handle the finance, the security. That's pretty much it. That's it. That's it. And if that security needed, you know, I'm coming in and I'm coming in with everything I got. All right. I got to. I got to. It is what it is. So what is it about? Trust no one. Trust nobody. Nobody. Sorry. Part two. And part one, because some people might not have even seen part one. You got to see part one to catch up to the trilogy. Exactly. Because we did sit down and watch both. And, you know, I don't want to tell nothing to spoil any spoilers and stuff like that, but. Got a lot of twists. Yeah. It's got a lot of twists. A lot of things that I didn't expect. I didn't even think that you were coming back in a part two. I was shocked when I heard that there was a part two, because I thought that, you know. So, but it was a lot of surprising. I love Shane first part. You know, I wish I could have seen her in part two again, because I loved your chemistry with her on the film, you know, but. Things happen. Things happen. Exactly. But what is it? Steve, no question. But what is it about it that you would tell people who are watching, like the reason why they have to go see this show? Because it's dope. And if you're from Milwaukee, you got to go see it. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, as, you know, there was no avenue on Milwaukee for this platform until Steve O was switched out of doing it. So, you know, you want to get down with the get down, you got to roll with what's hot. Okay. You know what I'm saying? It's like we did in New York. Like we didn't know what was going on until we seen the rough riders and we seen the rockers. Ooh, I love that. We seen the murder anchor. Those are the things that kept us in tune with other things and other platforms we can do. Yeah. By following on the blueprint. So it's the blueprint, especially for Milwaukee. You know what I mean? So you got to go see it. And it's a good film. It is. Do you think there'll be a part three? We're already shattered. What? Stay out of here, man. No. Steve will be mad at me for saying that, but we're already way ahead of everybody. Wow. But don't stay focused on part one and two. Because you know, good part one and two, you're not going to understand three. So just stay focused on one and two. So there's a lot of twists. Always. It's a movie. You see, I'm that person that when I watch movies, my daughter will always crack up about me because I'm like, oh, I know what's going to happen. And I'll tell her and it normally always happened, even if I can sometimes see the twist coming. And I'm always on point with it. See with these, when you try that, we already made sure we don't like that. Yeah. So it won't be that. I'm telling you right now, when I seen you in the bed, the blood on your chest, I was like, man, it's tough. Tough when things happen. Yeah, when things happen, I was like, man, and it just to see you in that element, because I really, like I said, I was like, man, and the street, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's money involved, it's action, it's everything that you're looking for when it comes down to a field. I think one of them is, all of them have messages. Yeah. And I think the first one gives you family values of how families be the worst enemy. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? Like you may think that, you know what I mean? My brother, my right hand, my sister, my right hand, you know what I mean? But sometimes it's not like that. There's a lot of people that live life like that. Like jealousy is a serious business, you know what I'm saying? And inside the household, it shouldn't be. It shouldn't be, but it do. But it showed both because then your other brother was not like that. You see what I mean? So it's not just showing one side, it is showing both sides. That you do have some people who are loyal, but you do. But you do got some sisters who are very jealous. Right. Let me ask you this, like being in Milwaukee versus the culture in New York and coming in there to Old Ram, what similarities did you see when it come down to just street and hood and just the way we are? It's different everywhere. Yeah, definitely. Everywhere is different. It's the same structure, you know what I mean? You can't outdo the structure of being in the hood. But it's always different little entities. Like in Milwaukee, it may not be every block is outside. Like they're not outside like that at night. Yeah. Like three, four in the morning. You in New York, everybody's outside. Still look like a common all day thing. Wow. You know what I'm saying? No, they're not outside like that. Like every block, you're going to tell everybody, no, they're not outside like that. I mean, they're killing like that, but they're not outside like that. That's probably one of the reasons they ain't outside like that. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? Milwaukee that bad? I'm Milwaukee. Milwaukee. Because when I think about bad, I think about like Chicago. When we went to Chicago, I hear about Chicago. Same level. Really? Yeah. That's why all three of those is right connected together. You got Milwaukee, Detroit and Chicago. It's only three hours, three hours. That's right. Oh, wow. It's all the same. So we never did go through Milwaukee. We went to Chicago. We went to Detroit. I got to go to Milwaukee. So we saw all of that. I'm going to go because I got people over there, man. And to be honest with you, I've been growing my base over there. It's time Boston got to pull up in Milwaukee. I got people in that thing. I'm going to pull up, man. That's all you need. Yeah, yeah, y'all. I'm going to pull it up, man. Pull up with Stevebo. You good. I'm good. Check it in. I got to ask you about that. What do you think about the check in, like? Is it important? Well, it's the way you look at the word check-in. Exactly. Some people get the word. See, from New York, we take check-in as extorting. Correct. So we tell us check-in. We were like, nigga. Fuck you talking about. Who you talking about? Because the way you're saying it, we don't understand that slang. You saying check in, that sound like extorting. Sounds like extorting. But when you break it down and somebody's saying, yo, man, I think you just need to move around the city with some other folks to keep it. You know what I mean? Because we love to get active, too. So we don't never feel like any state we go to. I don't care where we at. We, just being from Brooklyn, New York, we are active, too. We always going to feel, that's why you always a DJ. Oh, Brooklyn, New York, New York. We didn't really get fucked where we at. We going to get active just as anywhere you at. And everybody feels like that. Everybody. Every Detroit feels like that. Milwaukee feels like that. Chicago feels like that. You know what I mean? So whoever, you know what I mean? You just got to be smart and just embrace whatever you embrace like me. I checks in and that's not about extorting and nobody extorting me. I'm just checking because there's a respect. Same way if somebody came and they came to New York and they need to move around. You know what I'm saying? I'll let them know how to move around. Like you can't come to somebody hood and act like you know what's going on there or set up there or just act like you the guy and they hood. Because they going to check you. Yeah, yeah. Well, see, that's the thing about the checking. See, once again, we don't adapt well to somebody telling us they're going to check us. Like we're supposed to, oh, you're going to check us so we're going to run or we're going to move or we, nah, we ain't, we're flying into your city. You know, we're going to fly to Milwaukee. We're going to fly to Detroit. We're going to fly to Chicago. And it is what it is. Like we Brooklyn, New York, New York. It don't matter, Bronx. It don't matter. We coming wherever you at, you especially if you the one with the mouth. You coming with it. Because we just, come on man, you can't do that. No, you can't. You can't say like Dallas. You can't just pull up. You can't just be like, yo, you know, how to put your Dallas nigga going somewhere and somebody telling him, hey man, you can't just pull up. No. He don't want that shit because he feel the same way at home. You can't come to my home, running through these streets acting like you. That's going to cause that kind of energy. You get what you put out. Now if you tell me I'm cool and I come and cause I'm going to talk to people. Like when I go to New York, I got Junebug or I got Conrad, you know, from Queens and Brooklyn and they going to be like, he, he here. They going to pull up. Now that ain't checking in. No, they're my people. See what I'm saying? That's the same way I feel. It ain't about checking in, it's just I got people everywhere. Yeah. I got a million niggas in Chicago. Yeah. And they respected. Yeah. Like I don't move around with nothing that's un, I don't move around with uncertified niggas. That's real. Every nigga I move around with is certified. And if Jay Prince taught me that. That's real. Like when I first went to Houston, Jay Prince was the first one to take me to Houston and I stayed too much with him. Wow. We had a ball. Kicks it. Man, he showed me the game. Showed me the cows. The horses and everything. He gets me and the, the rabbalot on the back of the cow's ass. All right. And he showed me how, you know, how to make that money and do this and do that. And then he showed me the compound. Then he introduced me to a son. Brandon. Yeah. And both his sons. And I messed with him. You know what I'm saying? And my uptiles. Man, I love him. And it was, it was all love. Always. That's real. And I check in. When I get in, I holler, I call the state L. I get my sandwiches, get my food. I run through the city. I put my rabbalot chain on. He used to give me and I run through the city. Dang. So how did you in that first meeting like even Lincoln with Jay Prince? And the Wyclef studio. Wyclef studio. Okay. Wyclef studio. I forgot who else was recording that day, but it was in Wyclef studio and Jay Prince was there. And I was in there seeing Wyclef doing something. And Jay Prince was there and I was like, oh, oh gee, what's happening? He like, hey, what's up? I'm like, man, I know who you is. You ain't got to say nothing. It's an honor. You know what I mean? Very big. And he liked my mouthpiece. That's real. That's real. He don't talk to him a certain way, but I was admiring him like the old Jay like. That's real. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's what it's supposed to be. Cause it's real. I said some crazy things to him. You know what I'm saying? That he made me feel like, yo, you crazy. Come on, you come on to it. You know what I'm saying? Well, I was like, give me the blueprint, man. Show me what I got to do. Man. And it's like I say, I'll never forget that song that my boy DJ Quicky, when he said, I went here and it's just like Compton. He named it everything cause it reminded him. It's something in the hood and dealing with the structure that'll remind you to say, Hey man, listen, you got it. It can be the same anywhere you go. So you need to make show. I like to like, Baron Davis. Okay. Okay. Baron Davis, the big homie. Baron Davis, Terminator, Term, J-Rock, Top Dog. That's hard. That's hard. That's hard. That's my God. That's my God. That's my God. Wack 100. Wack 100. One of the things that's so similar about me and Big is the relationships. It's big on relationship and love. They love gravy. Like I love them. Yeah. So it's always, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. It's always, it's always anywhere I can go, man. You know what I mean? But that's a gift, gravy. Like all of a vital, hitting Bounty Killer, hitting Beanie Man, hitting anybody. I get the top guys, but all my guys are the top guys. Like I told you before. Yeah. It's what makes it greater. Right. You can all understand how important networking and keeping those relationships on. It's important. The company you keep is super important. It's super, but one thing about it, everybody can't do what gravy just said. Right. Everybody can't be you. Some people don't know how to build relationships. They don't know they do. Exactly. Like if you grew up a certain way, if your parents grew you up a certain way, you gonna move that, whether you like it or not. So a lot of times people have problems communicating. I mean, you can have it in your house with a million dollars on the table and come back in the same million. So sit there. Right. That's real. Or just a little structure. Like Steve might say, yo, come out to the crib. And I'll be like, all right, where you at? And he be like, yo, I'm getting ready to run to the store, but my wife did. Yeah. Not happening. I meet you at the store. There you go. You know what I'm saying? That's real. That's just, that's protocol I live by. Every nigga don't live by. That's what I was saying. That's what I was saying. Your nigga's gonna go straight to the crib. And be that way. Be doing shit. All kind of stuff. You know what I'm saying? He be looking at me funny. He would tell him, Steve, hey, he was, I don't want to be in that position. I wouldn't even put myself in it. You shouldn't even put yourself there. I'll wait till you come out the store. I'll go just to the store. When I leave, you leave. That's real. No way a nigga gonna be in your crib. You need a crib and he's standing in your crib when you leave. No. It's just protocol, man. It's so broken that it need to be reinforced. We need to get back to it. Oh man. And I think we can do it with the way you speaking now and the way I am. Goofy niggas you can. Yeah, but you got the circle. You've been in that. Is that now? Yeah. Why are you doing all that shit? Not letting them in. Not letting them in. I can't even deal with it. But you can feel that spirit though when you get around certain people. Well, some niggas is good actors. Don't bullshit. You're right. Some niggas is great actors. Damn. I didn't see you coming. I didn't see that. But these niggas be on fire for foolishness. He ain't live. Niggas go to distance. He gonna like movies. Play. In certain movies where a guy betrays a woman and he been trying to do that forever. Yeah, yeah. He might go the whole five, four, six, seven years till he reveal the truth. Like finally, bitch, I got you man. I ain't got you. You be like, yaw. You know what I'm saying? Because you know it's sneak attack. Like they can play good actors. Nipsey Hussle. Man, he for the whole time. Man, I know and knew it. Hey. But Nipsey my boy, like I met him. I'm in some mall for them now. That made a lot of people check the people around them. You can't see it until some mistake happens. That's the only bad part. Until something go wrong, I still can't know if he gonna be failed or not until it happens. Yeah. Just you hope that when it happens, it's not too late. But I think because of situations I've been in in life, being in some of those hard situations, it made me have trust issues, bro. Like I knew that people didn't love me. When I faced life changing situations where I could have lost my life and I was sitting down for a second or something, it taught me, man. Like don't believe everybody because they ain't gonna be there for you. And therefore a lot of the stuff does that. Boom. Yeah. They ain't gonna be there for you. Nobody. And they don't really care. And that's sad. And you know what? But it's good though. You can trust you. But let me tell you something. True story. And I just thought about this. When I was on lock, I got trust no one but God on my back. That's what's on my back. Because I ain't trust nobody and nothing, bro. You're the best to you. Yeah. So in this, let me go back to the film a little bit. Like in this film, like, man, you had, you know, you had some love scenes in there. You know, how hard is them love scenes, you know what I'm saying? But no sex scenes, though. It was easy. But no sex scenes, though. Nah, we ain't really get to that. What the hell is y'all trying to do, boy, man? We ain't done anything. We ain't done anything. They don't like some power, like some ghosts. No, y'all don't have to get all that, man. Y'all gonna get that serious? We don't, well, we didn't get that serious yet. Oh, sorry, but it's coming. It's coming. We'll be coming. So, take out your words, then. You will be getting to that. But just doing those scenes, though, those are easy for you, huh? Yeah, those are easy. Is it easy to come out of character? No, I'll be in character. All the way in character. Yeah, I'll be in character. But it seemed real. I mean, it's my job. It's real, though. It's not professional. It's real. It's not professional. But how do you keep it professional? Because so many times we see actors, big actors have been doing it for years. Come on, tell us about that. Come on, say it. Big example, Mr. and Mrs. Smith. They might be doing it for real. I don't know. You see what I mean? They ended up falling in love, getting married eventually, because of that. Magic is just about how far you tap in. How far you tap in, you know? Because of them loves, it's serious. Because you're building a relationship with this person so you can have that chemistry unfilmed. Right, that's what it's all about, having great chemistry. Right. But you know, Columbus, when he was on our show, he told, he was like, no, I hate it. I messed up one time. I ended up being, he ended up being with Britney Spears. He was like, man, I messed up. I shouldn't have went all the way and they ended up being together. He was like, I shouldn't have did it because he kind of messed him up as far as on the work they were doing together after that. Because you know, you gotta still work with this person if y'all decide it ain't right. You know what I'm saying? If you go too far. So it's just a lot of relationships is hard anyway. Now you got the cameras on your relationship and you don't like a person. That will flip things out. So let me just ask you, man, what's next, man? What do you want to do? I'm comfortable to wind it up. Man, I'm just getting started, really. I'm just having fun, man. The way I went, the way I ran through my rap career, I had so much fun, like 25 years running through the game, meeting so many people and enjoying. Same way I'm gonna treat the acting game. Wow. I'm just starting, man. I'm fresh out. How many films you have under your belt right now? Because every time I look it up, I see like a lot. I wouldn't know. Probably 30, 40, I don't know. And how long ago did you start? How long ago did Biggie come out? What year did that? 2009. 2009. So you've only been doing this since 2009? But I ain't really, I ain't really push it like I'm pushing it now. In the beginning, it was just, you know, oh, this is new, this is, wow. But I still was trying to rap and be brave. So what made you, what made you, what changed your mind? What made you like, I'm gonna push this now? Well, I ain't decided to push nothing until my daughter was fully grown, where I felt like I took off from the game because I wanted to be a great father. So until she was right, I ain't care about nothing else. I just wanted to make sure she right. Because that time I can't get back. That's true. I can't put in that time. Like, you know, you got a lot of people who jeopardize that time. And you know, the money ain't everything. People lose that. You know, people go for the money over the well-being of the child and you can't re-scope that. I think it's very important. That's one thing I've always told him because when I lost my dad, it's like a light bulb came on and I realized that, because I have a lot of memories with him because I was a tomboy growing up. I used to go fishing, hunting, did everything with him. And when I lost him, I realized that as much as like, America makes you wanna grind and work all the time to make a better life for your family. But by doing so, you might not always be there to build those memories with your children. So I- That's on you, you got to sacrifice. Exactly. Everything in life is a sacrifice. And for her, I'll sacrifice anything. So I did that. Now she's fully aware of what I am, who I am. And now she's chilling. So now I'm going back to work. That's real. Top three actors of all time. Top three. Top three. In my opinion? Yes. Yeah, it's your opinion. Dead or alive? Dead or alive. Yeah, that's all. Well, first I just got to be super respectful and go with Cindy Portier. Okay, man. I love me some Cindy Portier. Yeah, no. And then I got to go with number two. I got to do Denzel, of course. That's my guy. And then number three, I got to- I can be any gender too. Don't I do this with men? Yeah, nah, nah, I'm a guy. This here we go. I'll give you a couple of genders, but I'ma go- They're your favorite three? It's only three. Cindy Portier. Denzel. I'ma go Denzel. And then I'ma go Jamie Foxx. That's my guy. That's real. That's a hard, that's a hard. That's not just, that's a hard. That's a hard. Yeah. Because then I still got my Robert De Niro. That's me, me and you on it. That's the design of it, you know what I mean? Robert De Niro. Trish Clooney, I still got my other sides, you know what I mean? So, plenty, plenty, plenty. Top three artists for his music, all the time, because you both, I can't really get top five. No, three. I need three. Top three. That's all to sell. Top five was hard. No, top three. You better cut some people off. That's top three. People you just can't cut off though. But if I'm going to do it, I'm going to go on. I'm going to go big. Pockin' us. That's my hard top three. But that's the new ever three. You still got Rock Kim. Yeah, you got LL, Nium, they all back there. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? So. That's hard. So, it's a genre. Yeah, yeah, but it's not easy, but the one you named was hard, bro. Now my three for me, growing up in 1975, I'm going big, I'm going pop, I'm going nuts. Wow. And that's huge, bro. I mean, that's what it is. Yeah, that's huge cause, man, big man. Listen, man, I didn't even, I was not even like, I'm a top notch biggie fan. Mike Jones came on my show, man. And he shut me down when it came. He told me why the nigga got so excited. And he was like, cause he made it good for big dudes to feel confident. And he started talking about it and just really pretty much pulling out how much he changed his career. It made me think differently. And I was like, damn man, I'm scared. I'm just barrel escaping the surface. I ain't thinking deep enough. Mike was like, nah, it's like he man, like he really that guy. He comfort zone. Wow, man, that changed the game, man. I had another question for you, one more question. Is the first time you saw yourself, cause y'all go to the premiere and actually see yourself on the big screen. The first time you saw yourself on the big screen, what did you think about your acting? I don't know. I never looked at it like that. So how did you look at it? The first time you watched it on the screen? Just me, just me doing me. Really? Yeah, just me doing me. I kind of know what my mom's kind of put it in in the perfect way before she left this world. My mom was just like, so she was crying. So I'm like, what are you crying for? She's just happy for the premiere and all that. But she's like, you know, you up there in the world think you're big when you're just being you. So it didn't hit me at that time, but it hit me now. Like, you know what I mean? Like sometimes you just, you are just what you are. Yeah. You know what I mean? You ain't even gotta sell that. That's just about you being in who you are. It's already written out for what you're supposed to be. You know what I'm saying? Like I tried to be somebody I'm not, this is me and you fit the description. You do, you know what I mean? That's just shit. I see why you say you're so laid back. You're not a critical thinking person because a lot of people who, especially your first time acting would see that would be like, man, I could have done that better. You know, like really just dissecting the whole film for your first time. I'm like, okay, I need to start working on this. I need to start working on that. It's like Jay-Z saying, you know, one of my favorite artists, Jay-Z. When he say, well, if you got another one, make another one. That's what he said. He said, you know what I mean? Like I ain't that guy, but if I ain't the guy, then do another like me. That boy said, I heard what I was saying, he done did it. He done did it. He done, right. I mean, I'll say, okay, so I'll make another whole. They weren't paying a day wrong. Right. That's how I feel with me, with Phelps. Like, if you can do another big ad. Hey, man, the numbers is different. Yeah. Like when I'm talking to somebody and they're like, y'all want to book you. I'm like, yo, it's 30,000, 35 or whatever. They like, well, why, why, why? Man, do research, you know what I'm saying? Because if you can do it with somebody else that's on my left, then you'll make the money. But the money going to be different. The money going to be different. So you know it's going to be different. So let me get mine and get about your business, do whatever you say you're going to do and make it better. Really? Because then ain't nobody really thinking of how to really use me. A lot of dudes just shoot me, but they don't really use me like they could use me. Marketing purposes, I can get you the way you want to get to to get to the bass. That's real. But ain't nobody ever think about using me except Steve. Because you not really understanding the red tape you're going to go through to push any other artist or any other actor you want to go through to get them on our interview with anything. Breakfast club, this one, that, this is 50. You can go ahead and push all you want to push. And you're going to be paying. That's real. With me, you're going to get right in there. Oh, yeah. Ain't nobody going to interview me for free. Uh-uh. Man, everybody's going to be you. Y'all, man, it's going to be great. We got a call, so you got to call. I got the call. You can't y'all. I got the man, man. Come on, man, stop. So it's a key for the new. You got to pay Steve old now because I don't get you free game. You got to pay him to give me the move through your junk. But if he's smart, that's it. Man. Would you ever do any other genres? Because I know a lot of your genres is usually the street. I do everything, man. Man, it's so funny, man. And this is a touchy situation, but I'm a real nigga, so I don't give a fuck. But one of my homies is like, yo, would you ever play gay, dude? And I'm like, damn, homie, what's happening? And he like, because if somebody came to UNC, they're going to give you $20 million. I'm like, yo, you know what? Shit. Shit. You should be like, how gay? Nah, I ain't really bar how gay. Yeah, because it's going to be... I got your friends. I got a nigga, I had a... No, but I'm talking about would you like, because will there be romantic scenes? Hey, listen, you could have stand-ins. Yeah, you're right. You know, contract you. We got somebody standing and do whatever you. You're right. You claim you want to do, you know what I'm saying? That ain't me. Right. But you know, you got to go do what you got to do. You know, I ain't got a homophobia. You're a real nigga. But, I mean, you know, 20 million. Hey, we're going to have to think about this. A lot of people say a lot of things when they're 20 million ain't on the table. Yeah, they say a lot of things. But when they're 20 million on the table. A lot of niggas out here saying a lot of things, doing it for free. Free, look out now. You got to be real. Little penis on the forehead and like doing it for free. Liar. Liar. And then you got caught, yeah. Right. Then when they come out to be like, damn. You should at least got 20 million for that. Shit. Man, so, hey, that's a crazy subject. Yeah, I'm cool with what I am. And my sister told me, would you wear a dress? Oh man. Jamie Foxx, Jamie Foxx, Jamie Foxx, Jamie Foxx. Would you dress up and wear a dress? Jamie Foxx did what? He just played Wonder. Wonder. And which one? And no, in, uh, in Living Color, he played Wonder. Oh, that's, that's, that's comedy. Just tear it out of the dress. Yeah, that's, that's, you know, that's a little. Would you or no? Would you or not? 20 million? 20 million. Yeah, I think I'm going to go get it back. I get it. I think I'm going to get it back, y'all. I think I'm going to go get it back, y'all. All right, y'all. So that's crazy. So, hey, so, Gravy, uh, man, listen, man, would you, like, like, if you could go back and let's think back, like, well, if you went back to your 20-year-old self, would you change anything? Nah, because I wouldn't be who I am now. That's real. That's real. So you can't critique. See, that's the thing about God. That's why I stress that a lot. You can't put, um, you can't critique or fix your, fix your way of thinking because, just because your life was this way and it was all messed up. All right? And you go back, like, I want to fix it. Okay, you go back and fix one thing, something else is going to change. That's real. So it might not have been your arm that was the problem on your body. This time it's going to be your neck. Yeah. And then you go back and change it again. Okay, so now it ain't going to be your arm or your neck. This time it's going to be your foot. Like, there's no, there's no rules to the man upstairs and what he's going to give you. Yeah. So by going back, it's almost like you're disrespecting him. That's real. Because you're acting like he ain't giving you the portfolio of what you need to be you. So in the same way, like me, for example, you wanted to be the best rapper you could ever be in your life. Everybody know that. Gravy can rap, he do his thing, hey, that's that dude. At that time, as me as God, with you, I said to myself, yeah, I'm going to let him do all that so he can get in condition to the next level I got for him. Yeah. Which meaning that I'm going to make him play the best rapper that ever was alive. That's big. Give him a big portfolio so he can get big enough in the acting world to go back to the music. Yeah, yeah. You see what I'm saying? Because when you're on that level, then you can always do music at any given time you want to. That's real. When you was doing the music, you didn't have the other plateau to make one to go. Yeah. So it's just about levels. You have to get on certain levels to make everything pop, just like you getting married. That's real. You wasn't going to get a real blessing until you got married. You know what I'm saying? God not going to give you or give you the holiness you need until you get married. Everybody know when you get married, you get super blessed. It's not super blessed. I can't get married because I'm waiting to get married. No, no, no, no, no. It's got to be real and authentic. But when you do, all the doors open. That's real. You know what I'm saying? That's real. You got to really be in tune to who you are and what you're doing. Except for awareness. And when you get that, you do it. Because a lot of young teens and young dudes right now are lacking. They're lacking that. Except for awareness. Yeah, because they ain't got to follow the figures. That's real. When we was coming up, we had our dads at home every now and then, doing whatever, or full time, or whatever. Now, it's just the errors is different. They be jailed, they locked up, they dead. So the young boy coming out the room, 19 years old, with his moms and two sisters and two brothers, he think he the man in the home. Automatically, there's no other man there. So you can't blame him for feeling like that. That's real. You know what I mean? But he's just determined to go find another way. And all the other way is, what's in front of the door? That's real. I can't do that. So he got to go with the hustle. You know what I mean? Now, you could give him the long daydream story. Go to college, educate yourself, be great. Don't fall into the streets. But he lived there. Yeah. So I realized that. Yeah, that's real. But not everybody who lived in the streets and upon the streets. Right. But the pressure is there. Because now you got 15 niggas outside his door every day like, yo, why are you walking past us every day like you better than us? So now he's forced. And that happens a lot in Chicago. Because you can't be on the block and you don't only do that's not in the set. That's real. So what we getting ready to do here? Yeah, yeah, we're going to just make, you know what I'm saying? That's so real. It's like the pressures of a black man. But you never always thought the way how you think now. When did you have that pivotal moment in your life that changed your thinking to this point that you're at now? I mean, I've always been like that. You've always. I've always been young and with old dudes. That's me. He's always mature for your age. Yeah, because I was with the older crowd. I was 12 sneaking in the shadow. You know, it's a club. You can't go in unless you 20 something. You know, I'll get in that jump. That's the same way I was. I was always with the old heads who give me a hundred. My Jamaican Posse crew from Empire and Nostra, they were super big, you know what I mean? They was moving all the drugs in Brooklyn from Flavers Oh, man, the 90s Posse doze and others. So when Steve, my man Steve, the head Jamaican, they going to Empire, where I grew up at, will always come down and say, yo, come on, come on. Now go over there and you'll be like, oh, great, we'll go so far. So I'll be like, yo, all right, boom, he give me a hundred. Hey, take the hundred. Give me up too high and I'm getting stout and run down there. So I'm a sugar king and bring a bottle. I'm going to bring back, bop, bop, bop. Give me a shake so I can keep the change. So nigga, keep me in that change. You know what I mean, I'm so early. So I'm just like, damn, let me start being around them. Yeah. And I have my Haitian dudes that lived on the other side and they tell me, y'all, you know, griot, they call me sauce, why? Sauce, why? I mean, the gravy, the sauce, y'all. And they talk to me like that and they tell me whatever. And I go get the griot and the soup and I taste the food and I'm like, oh, man, you know what I mean? And I'm a Puerto Rican homeless across the street and Bushwick when I moved, you know, they tell me. So it's just a multi-control diverse of what's going on. And I just took it all in. I say this, you may even think about being a New York man. The first time I ever went to New York and I was hustling, I thought so much of they hustle because I'm like, do you think it was hustle? Sell anything. Sell everything. Anything and everything. But the biggest thing was I met this one dude. I can't remember his name, so I'm not gonna lie. But the one thing he told me and he was so passionate about, I've been on this block for 26 years. I'm like, what? He's like, this is where I'm at. Anybody, you come on this side of town, I'm on this block. I'm like, what the hell going on? You never leave this block. I couldn't believe you could be in Texas. But they make it good everywhere. But they make good money, don't they? Oh, he ain't not broke. He might own the building. They think it was different. Some people don't want to leave. You know what I mean? I got sisters like that. They never leave the block. They never leave in New York. It's just the grinding. Some people just don't want to leave. You know, some people got mothers that they try to, and they don't leave. They don't want to leave. That's what they used to. They don't want to leave their environment. They comfort zone. You know what I'm saying? So you know it is what it is. What would you say to people who say New York people are rude? It's just, I mean, not all of us. It's just the, the city, the state of mind of the city. We go through so many pressures, and rent is expensive. Everything is expensive. And small. Women are expensive, food is expensive. Everything is, you know what I mean? Everything is for some. So, you know, me coming to the land, I just wanted the hospital. I wanted to deal with something different. I wanted to make my money longer and work and do bigger things, and get my daughter different. Checked in my love, soulful. I'm a country boy. Yeah. You know what I mean? So you just, you adapt and move around. I try many places, but you just need something that can still keep the pace, not too slow. Yeah. But faster. Yeah. You know, I tried Charlotte. It was too slow for me. You tried Charlotte? Yeah, I tried Charlotte. I tried San Antonio. You tried San Antonio? You didn't like San Antonio? No, it's slow, man. It is really slow. It's slow, it's slow. You should have went to Houston in Dallas. I went to Houston. I tried for Florida. You didn't like Houston? Houston was cool, but it's too night time-ish for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Everything happens at night. And you never tried Dallas? No, I never tried Dallas. A lot of people moving to Dallas. There's some people there that I wouldn't, you would never know it was there. The thing that tricked me out about the South because, you know, when you go to Jamaica, you know, everybody talks to you. Nobody ever walks in the room and does not say good morning, good afternoon, good evening. People talk to you. But I remember going to Florida. They don't do that in Florida. People wind up your window. They don't, they don't do talking to you. True. Same thing in Jamaica. But... Well, I never had that problem. Some dudes, like, you know what I mean? Like when I met... Well, you're a man, so that's different. When I met Drs. Yeah. Brother, shoe shine. Okay. I'm not dog. I'm not dog. At all. None. Straight kill. I'm not dog. The serious look. I was like, yo, what's up, man? What's happening? No talking. Uh-uh. I'm like, I'm like, damn. He's scoping you out. Then my man was telling me, yo, I'm not shoe shine, I'm not Drs. Brother. I'll kill him. I'm like, yeah. How about that? You know what I mean? Some dudes just ain't... They ain't friendly, dawg. Not at all. Not at all. And you don't have to get used to people. Like again, the way you brought up, man, it's got a lot to do with it. Like, if you meet their parents or something, it's one of them gonna be like, nah, I don't trust nothing. Nothing. Nobody. That's a little serious. Man, hey, man. So, man, how can people get a hold of them if they're trying to reach out, man? Man, man. To book you or anything. To highlight me on my Instagram, my Facebook is all the same. All the same. Jamal Gravy-Walard. Oh, you got the Gravy in there? Oh, Gravy is... Got to be. Necessity, man. It's not a want. It's a necessity. Man, same, man. So, you get everything out of it. Yes, sir. Did you want to know about what's happening in part three and he ain't gonna let you in on it? He ain't gonna let me in. Are you holding out? Yeah, but I'm gonna get it over there in a minute. Oh, yeah, we gonna get him. Yeah. Yeah, Steve, oh, you got to give it up. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's the same check, yeah. Let's get this done, man. Say thank you for coming on the show. We love you, bro. I'll be back, man. Man, every time. Boss talk. And if you come to Dallas and don't come see me. No, I'm gonna come see you. What? I'm gonna come see you. If I see you booked, I'm pulling up. I'm gonna be like, man, I gotta go see what this man is. Yeah, let's go fuck with Dallas. Man, thank you so much for coming on the show, man. Say, man, there's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101, what a boss has talked. And we out. Man.