 All right, so it should show any moment. All right, there it is. Just gonna share this link over there, and then we'll be rocking and rolling. So if I remember right, all right, here we go. So that was the end of Daniel's opening. Just gonna wait for people to find the chat and then we'll go. So we will jump into our folks, we are now going to jump into rebuttal from Dr. Javad. Dr. Javad, the floor is all yours for your seven minute rebuttal. Thanks for being with us, go ahead. Well, that's right, let me do that too. All right, so I'm gonna share my screen and I just wanna state it for the record that it was a public profile pic that I'm the one who blurted out and Daniel, if he can't control his wife by his own standards, that would be, he would call such a man a de-youth, right? So like, this is who Daniel is, he's actually just a, you know, he plays this game. That's what he does. All right, so I'm ready to begin. Once my screen is showing, all right, can I start now? Oh, hold on, there's that box showing, okay. All right, so Daniel had one lie after another lie and please I need a one minute warning. So it's hard to respond to all of this scatter gun approach lies, but as far as the Islamic modernists, the vast majority of them were anti-colonial. In fact, they headed up the anti-colonial movement because they actually took the example of Japan. Japan was successfully able to modernize and fight off the colonial force. The exception is the one that he mentioned. So he tried to make the exception as the default, which was to say it. So if you look at this academic work, and by the way, you're gonna have to watch it on modern day debate because Daniel's too scared to show the slides. So watch it on modern day debate so you can actually see my slides and the academic works that I quote. But here you see that this academic says, whereas the majority of the Islamic modernists were against colonialism, only a few of them, including the Indian scholar, Sir Sayyed Ahmed Khan, opted for cooperation with the colonialists. The reason why he was a British loyalist is because after the events of 1857, which was like the 9-11 of that time, the rebellion and Jihad was viciously put down by the British and the Indian Muslims were targeted by the British. After this, all major Indian Muslim leaders realized the fertility of Jihad against the British at that time and they all turned loyalists. Moreover, because it was different in India is because of the Hindu majority. Sir Sayed feared repression by the British, which would target Muslims and the rise of the Hindu Raj, which would leave if the British were to leave India. That's why he cultivated this relationship with the British. Sir Sayed criticized the racism of British rule and called for constitutionalism and increased representation for Indian Muslims. Daniel has selectively and misleadingly quoted him. Most of those are internal critiques and some of them are sarcastic comments that he's actually making. Daniel is not an academic or a fair historian. And anyways, the Ulama at that time in India were also loyalists and quietists. Again, you can see the academic citations on modern day debate, not on Daniel's channel because he's too scared. So did European colonials want to reform Islam? Yes, some of them did say that, but actually most of them said that there's no such thing as reforming Islam. Reform Islam is Islam no longer. It is something else. In fact, it was the Islamic modernists who took up enlightenment ideals of liberty and human rights and demanded them from the Europeans. So they didn't really like this. In fact, what the European colonials did support with the British especially, they promoted Salafi Wahhabism, which is the ideology that Daniel follows. He says, a Hunbali. In fact, Daniel talks about the Rand report. I know the fundamentalists love the Rand report. These are the two Rand reports that they use and they get a lot of mileage out of them. I actually contacted the author of these reports and she confirms what I suspected that these two reports are actually her protesting against the longstanding US government policy of supporting the extremists and the fundamentalists, the Mujahideen at the expense of other societal segments. So these two reports that they cite and get so much mileage out of are actually the exception, not the rule. The rule, in fact, has been the exact opposite. You read these two books. If you want to know what the rule is, the rule is that they always support the fundamentalists. So the British are the ones who sent spies and agents, just like Daniel, to go into Saudi Arabia and support these forces against the Ottoman Empire. This was Sheikh Abdullah who also cosplayed Islam just like Daniel does. And here's Ibn Saud who was actually on the payroll of the British, 100,000 pounds a year. This is the guy who helped spread Wahhabism around the world. And this alliance, Saudi-British alliance has continued ever since. And these are the real Rand Muslims, these traditionalist-minded masses and autocrats. This is who the West, the United States, and the UK have supported. And this alliance has a long, long history and is reaffirmed by every single American president. And that's because they saw Islamism as a bulwark against communism. So they supported right-wing Islamism against the Soviet Union. And they even wanted a Muslim version of Billy Graham that's like a Zakhar Naik or like a Daniel Haqqichu. They didn't want secularism because, and they didn't want religious modernism. And again, look at the slides on modern day debate because Daniel's too scared to show them. But here you see that they're all talking about if Islam is undermined and people are modernized, then they'll leave that religious passion, which is a good bulwark against communism. So this is the longstanding support of Islamism around the globe by the US and the UK. The US and the UK propped up Wahhabi Saudi Arabia and occurs a spread of Wahhabi Salafi Islam, the brand of Islam that Daniel follows. In Egypt, the US and the UK supported the Muslim Brotherhood against the Arab nationalists, leftist, socialists, and liberals. In Iran, during the 1950s, the US supported the Mullahs against the socialist nationalists. And even over through the leftist nationalist leaders supporting Ayatollah Kashani, Khomeini's spiritual godfather. In the 1950s, Indonesia, the US-UK supported a brutal Islamist rebellion against Sukarno, a nationalist leader. In Central Asia, the US favored right-wing Islamism in order to soften the Soviet Union's underbelly. In Afghanistan, US support for the Islamic rights political movement in the country began as far back as 1973 as the US sought to strengthen right-wing and conservative forces. The US and UK supported radical religious forces and created transnational jihad in Afghanistan in order to fight off the Soviets. Meanwhile, Israel supported the Muslim Brotherhood from 1967 all the way to the late 1980s with Hamas being created as a project of the Shin Bet as a tool against the secular nationalist PLO. In Iraq, the US at some point supported Shia fundamentalists and other times Sunni extremists. It's well-known that the US supported the Mujahideen from which both Al-Qaeda and the later Taliban would emerge. An unclassified document reveals that even ISIS was predicted, was predicted welcome and seen as a strategic asset to Western interests in the Middle East. These are the pictures and the receipts. Here you have the made in America Mullahs or made in London Mullahs. Here's Israel, here they're talking about Israel supporting these radical Islamists. Here's grand Mufti bin Baz of Saudi Arabia, the Wahhabi one that follows the same creed as Daniel supporting half a million American troops to occupy Saudi Arabia. You're talking about the RAND Corporation? The RAND Corporation supported this policy of supporting Islamists. And it was these two papers that they cite that are the exception. So Daniel is incredibly misleading. Not only this, but these secret agencies including of the British have supported agent provocateurs. That's why in the UK, you have these people like Omar Bakri and Abu Hamza. All of these people who are useful idiots for Western interests and Daniel Hakeem Kachou is one of them. In fact, Sheikh Ahmed Musa Jibril whose Daniel's Sheikh is connected to is thought by some to be one such agent provocateur. This of course raises questions about whether Daniel is an agent provocateur or not. So that's the first part. Now we're gonna get to the other lies of Daniel. There's too many that he mentioned against MPAC. The reality is he talks about Daniel that Islam worked with George H. W. Bush and the next George Bush, but he always was critical of their policies. Here in 1991, Almariati excoriates Bush's foreign policy and the US led assault against Iraq. Again, the receipts are in the slides that Daniel is too scared to show. MPAC was opposed to the Iraq war. Here's another statement against that. They were against military interventions in the Middle East. Here Daniel is trying to show them as Zionists. They're the opposite of Zionists. They support the BDS movement and have defended the BDS movement. And I know them because I work with them. They all support BDS. Yes, maybe they didn't say that we should go hard against MLI because they were trying to go for Muslim unity. I may not agree with that. And I think they actually changed their policy on that issue. That was in the heat of the moment at that time they were saying, let's work these things out. Now they're against MLI as far as I know, as I know. Daniel is a liar. He repeats one lie after another. He's a smear merchant. He takes half truths and then uses those to attack people. He's attacked every major American Muslim leader. There's an entire website dedicated to it. And that's why he doesn't want to show this slides deck because their entire website is dedicated to him and his lying and he's gonna call it doxing. This is not doxing. These are the lies against him. Everybody says he's a liar even the people who have completely different religious views than I do. They all say this Daniel guy is a deviant liar. Even the Jewish people have said that he's a pathological liar. And the receipts are again in the slides that Daniel's too scared to show. Daniel's pattern of deception and dishonesty is well known. He calls me Jafed. He says in the last debate, he said, you are on the payroll of an organization M-PAC that is getting funding directly from the department of Homeland Security. This is an outright and blatant lie and slander which I could actually sue him for. I work from M-PAC from October 2022 to June 2023. During this time M-PAC received a grand total of $0 of federal funding, grand total of $0 from the department of Homeland Security. The funding for my position came from local Muslim donors which is actually one of the reasons why I decided to quit. This is a blatant lie. I had much more to go into. But we're gonna go to these lies that he says and he's used the CVS, CVE lie against all these other people including Dahlia Mogahed. And we're gonna jump into Daniel's rebuttal. Do want to say, folks, if you haven't yet, do consider voting in the chat on which speaker you thought was most persuasive. If you happen to think that it's Dr. Hashmi, put a J for Javad in the live chat. If you think that it is Daniel who's been most persuasive so far tonight, put a D in the live chat. With that, thank you very much, Daniel. The floor is all yours for your rebuttal as well. Let me just double check that you're able to speak. Sorry about that. Is it unmuted now, James? Yep. All right, can you hold on while I reset? Yes. Thanks for your votes in chat. I was talking while you're, I was muted. What was it? I was, I was talking while I was muted. Sorry about that. It's been a long night for me too. Go ahead, the floor is all yours. So the first point is that, you know, this is ridiculous. Javad actually violated YouTube policies by posting pictures of children. You can look at YouTube policy. There's reports that say that YouTube will not allow live chat commentary when you have children showing in video. So Javad is actually violating YouTube policy. I don't know how a private picture of my family got on the internet, but people have Facebook pages and family members can post pictures on Facebook and not really have the best understanding of privacy settings. And then you have someone like Javad who's trolling through like all of my family's personal, private Facebook profiles and oh, this picture is not set to privacy. So it must be a public picture. Let's post this in a debate. Like how unethical and disgusting can you be? And how is this not like clear fed behavior? He's claiming that Muslim skeptic is like, our channel is getting money from YouTube. We get zero ad dollars because we turned ads off from the very beginning and we've been public about this. So he doesn't even have his facts right. My book, I make $0 from the book that I've published because I wanted as many people to have access to the book as possible. So I make $0 from the book. Like this is just smearing without any actual facts. So he said that I focus on topics like slavery, minor marriage, concubinage. Yeah, I focus on those topics because these are the topics that are constantly being raised by Islamophobes, by being raised by Islam haters. They want to attack and destroy Islam, just like Javad. So they put pressure on these points of Islamic law on the Sharia, the traditional Islamic religion so that once Muslims compromise and say, yeah, I guess slavery is wrong. It's bad that the Prophet Sallallahu alaihi wa sallam had slaves. Once Muslims compromise on that, on slavery or concubinage or conquest, then you can move the goalpost and start reforming the next most liberally offensive aspect of Islam. This is the strategy. If you remember from the previous debate with the dominoes, once you concede on slavery, on minor marriage, on even a espousal discipline, you concede on those things, then you have destroyed the religion. It's a domino effect. And when you have Islamophobes focusing on those subjects, those subjects need to be defended. I defend the traditional Islamic view that is shared by 99% of Muslims throughout history. And by the way, it's shared by all pre-modern and traditional religions. So Javad doesn't just have a problem with me when my approach, he has a problem with all traditional religions, just like all of these liberal Islamophobes. Again, this is cultural genocide that Javad is in favor of. Javad is lying when he says that most modernists were against colonialism. In fact, most modernists in history between the 19th century and mid 20th century were pro-colonialism. Sayyid Ahmed Khan, Sir Sayyid, the one that I mentioned in my opening, he actually sided with the colonizer in the Sipoy rebellion. So there's a rebellion where the Indian Muslims are rising up and other Indians are rising up against the colonial powers. And Sir Sayyid is actually siding with the British empire. So wherever we look in Egypt, Muhammad Abdul, pro-colonialism, he's on the payroll of the colonizer, Mustafa Al-Maragi, sheikh al-Azhar, he was a sheikh al-Azhar, pro-colonialism. Sayyid Sheikh Ahmed, pro-colonialism. Sayyid Usman in Indonesia, pro-colonialism. You know, all of these figures were pro-colonialism. The colonial powers were against Islamists. They were against people who wanted, oh, we want Islamic rule. We don't want non-Muslims from Europe, the white man to rule over us. Do you think the colonial powers were in favor of the Islamists? Like this is so ridiculous. This is, I'm glad that this is on record. So every like academic, Juan Cole, if he's listening to this, which he probably should realize that his student knows nothing about colonialism or decolonial studies. Let's ask Edward Sayyid, like this ridiculous idea that the colonial powers were pro-Islamists or pro-religious Muslims. Let's ask, you know, whale halak, let's ask Hamid Debashi. Let's ask all of these experts, Joseph Massad of decolonialism, if what Javad said had any lick of truth to it. The West supports secular dictators for a reason. Like how can you have any doubt about this? What, look at Israel's actions against the Islamists. Look at all of these regimes that crack down on Islamists. So this is like so detached from reality, just because you show a bunch of quotes, doesn't change that their entire academic works dedicated. There's entire departments dedicated to decolonialism. And you're going against all of that consensus. So this is really, really ridiculous. I also had some other notes here. Yeah. So he criticized Haytham Saifuddin, called him an extremist. Where's the proof for that? These are just claims that are made by trolls. And then Javad had no source. Where's the news article? Where's any kind of shred of evidence that shows that he has been indicted or charged even for any kind of extremism? He cites Al-Wan, Sheikh Al-Al-Wan. This is Saudi propaganda. And he even cited like a Madhali bootlicker from Saudi in his list of sources, like a random YouTuber. He thought people would miss that, like by citing a YouTuber, like that's the evidence. Yeah, AQ, ISIS, these terror groups, they can cite whatever scholars that they want. That doesn't mean that those scholars support terrorism. Show us the proof that Al-Al-Wan supports just murdering women and children through terror attacks, through bombings. Show that. This is just smear tactics. And I never said that hate them, Sayfah Dean, is my teacher. He just had one article that he wrote for Muslim skeptic in the past. This means absolutely nothing. I have no problem saying that hate them, Sayfah Dean wrote that article because he has no evidence to show that actually this brother has committed a crime or is any way involved with this kind of shady kind of behavior. Also like motivated by money, like this is so ridiculous. I graduated from Harvard with a physics degree. I was in the tech industry for almost 10 years, almost a decade working in software as a product manager. Like if I wanted to make the big bucks, it wouldn't be online to talk about slavery and concubinage and debate feds like you. So 30 seconds left. Just ran out, I'll give you, but since I didn't give you the warning and give you 30 seconds if you need it. Yeah, sure. So you noticed in the, his rebuttal, Javad didn't really address all the accusations about impact. He said things like, oh, Salam Meryadi was in the Bush administration to help Muslims. This is what all Uncle Tom say. This is what all these native informants say, oh, I'm working with these governments to help the Muslim community. This is what all traders and all liars say. Like this is your defense of Meryadi and impact. This is a joke. You didn't address MLI. You didn't like how this Meryadi supporting this clearly Zionist organization. You didn't address the invasion of Libya, the Egyptian coup. You didn't address any of these points about impact. You didn't get to address CVE either. This is a fail on your part, Jafed. Like everyone can see that you are part and parcel of this Fed behavior. We're gonna kick it over to Javad. Javad, do I understand right that you somehow couldn't hear part of Daniel's rebuttal? Yeah, it kept going back in and out. I realized now what happened. It keeps switching between my headphone and my mic, but I heard most of it. So I'll make do with it. It's fine. But Daniel, don't assume that I heard all of your points. So if there's something that you wanna bring up then you can bring that up. Why don't we try two-minute intervals for the open dialogue? If you guys really wanna try open dialogue, I'm okay with trying it, but I have a feeling we're gonna do two-minute intervals anyway. Yeah, just to start off with that. We'll start with those two-minute intervals. Javad, you got the first two minutes then we'll get over to Daniel. Okay, so thank you very much. So yes, I didn't get a chance to talk about the CVE stuff because you can only deal with so many lies at one time. So let's start with the first point. Because with a liar who's like a dedicated liar, you have to do one lie at a time. So let's start with the first and most obvious lie that's against me. Daniel has said, this is his claim. You are on the payroll of an organization that is getting funding directly from the Department of Homeland Security. This is an outright lie. Here's when I worked, this is the grand total of my funding, $0 from Department of Homeland Security. So will Daniel retract this? So it's one lie at a time because when you have a liar and a conspiracy theorist, they like to, they do a lot of associations and a lot of fast talking and stuff like that to get from one point to another. So we need to know, is this a lie or not? Now, as far as Daniel's financial thing with Alasna and Muslim skeptic, we can't take your word for it, Daniel, release your financial records. Why is Alasna for profit, make it not for profit and then release your records? You demand that for your key and you demand that for almost some more because you have an accountability tab on your thing. So we demand the same thing. So we can't take your word for it just based on that. So the first and foremost lie you need to deal with is this slander and then this is a CVE lie. You're trying to imply that I take CVE money and this is the lie. So that's on CVE point. Once you deal with this point, then we'll go to the next lie that you have on CVE. As far as your other points that you raised in your rebuttal, you raised against Sir Sayed Ahmad Khan. I literally gave you the academic historical reference that shows you that the modernists were anti-colonial except for in South Asia and the reason was there was a Hindu Raj majority there. As far as simply working for this or that government at some time, the Islamic traditionalists were also on payrolls of European governments. In fact, the British government used to give Sheikh al-Islam prizes to, you know, they give them, I think they call them Shamsa Deen. They had specific prizes for them. And so the Islamic traditionalists were also on the payroll as well. So this is not a valid argument. Two minutes for Daniel. Yeah, so that's all nonsense. I also cited academic citations. I never said every organization needs to disclose its funding. If you are a nonprofit, you get certain governmental benefits and therefore you are required to report your income. I'm not saying that, oh, everyone who is involved with online needs to disclose their income and their funds. That's ridiculous. So you just engage in a stupid straw man. As for Muslim skeptics, like supporting extremism or terrorism, I have many, many times condemned ISIS. I have, there are articles on Muslim skeptic that specifically condemn ISIS and terrorism. We have said this over and over and over again. Feds like Jafed just bring this up to get us into legal trouble. This is how sleazy he is. Every sleazy tactic, he will use it, including posting pictures of my children online. When this claim that I said you may have like money coming in from the federal government, that's not my claim. I call you a fed because you worked for an organization that is getting all of these benefits, more than just monetary benefits. You're getting benefits in terms of your closeness to the government. You saw those pictures with Mariadi next to presidents and presidential candidates. You get access. You get all kinds of non-monetary benefits. That's what MPAC does by being Uncle Tongs, by being close to the government, by being sellouts. That's what it means to be a fed. Everyone knows this. It doesn't mean literally like the president is handing you a check. Are you stupid? Like this is like a stupid definition of fed that you're using to straw man my claim. You are a fed because your organization is so closely tied to the federal government and has been deputized to surveil the Muslim community, to promote this kind of liberal reformism in the Muslim community, that the grand is literally promoting your organization. That's what makes you a fed. Do you get it? Like how are you not able to understand such a simple point? So we now see him retracting his first lie. His lie, let's be very clear. He said this word for word. He says that you literally work for an organization that receives funding from Homeland Security. That is not true. That is false, zero dollars. So you can say that there's another reason why you're a fed and then we can deal with that argument. But first you have to be honest and retract your first lie, slander and you said it word for word. The second point is that Daniel, you yourself work for Yakin Institute. After you quit Yakin Institute in 2000, you complained about something they did in 2017. Use Facebook posts of Imam Omar Suleiman and claim that they are involved in CVE. So look at this irony. I worked for MPAC years after the CVE stuff went down. And meanwhile you were there at Yakin while the CVE stuff, you didn't say a word at that time. So now are you a fed Daniel? You worked at an organization while they were supposedly according to you. Now of course you're a smear merchant, but you were working there. So this works against you. As far as reporting people, you report people to the cops. You're the snitch. You reported Shimon Bergus, okay? A guy who's a right wing extremist who converted to Islam and was inspired by you. You, because you have this soft spot for white nationalists and far right. And you look, I'm white, I'm white too. I love you white people because of that. And now he converts to Islam and spouts your exactly your rhetoric and you said to call the cops on him. I have the tweets. I have the receipts. We can show you that where you said to call the cops and he didn't commit a crime. So you actually engaged in exactly what the negative things of CVE are, which is pre-crime. That's what you engaged in. So you are the agent, you're an agent provocateur. And then once they follow you because you're agent provocateur, you then call the cops on them. That's a fed like behavior. Meanwhile, I defended your freedom of speech multiple times. I said, even though I find your views to be extremist, I don't think they are against the law. They're constitutionally protected. I can show you the tweets on that. And number two is I've defended Tarek Mahana all the way back decades ago. I defended him even though I thought he was an extremist and I said the government has done him dirty because he didn't break the law. So I've been a civil liberties advocate whereas you are a snitch who called somebody, you said to call the cops on this person because he was too radical, even though he was taking your ideas. That's fed behavior, dude. You get people to radicalize. He's inspired by you. And then you call the cops on him. Fed behavior to me. I mean, so many other lies, I don't know where else to begin, but we'll go one at a time. So one at a time admit that you lied. Yeah, this is just another red herring. The thing about Burgess is maybe you know this since you're such a fed javad that the government sends agent provocateurs to incite violence. These are people who will come into a community and say, hey, let's go bomb a synagogue. These are agent provocateur so that they can entrap others. So when you see a person, Muslim skeptic does not advocate violence. Yes, everyone should report someone who goes online like Burgess did and starts advocating violence and just killing people in the streets. Everyone should report that. So this is not some kind of hypocrisy. The difference between that and CVE is that CVE like the Safe Spaces Initiative that your organization put out said that you're a potential terrorist if you emphasize certain verses of the Quran or you read Ibn Taymiyyah. This is the difference. Like there's a difference between that reading Quran and reading Ibn Taymiyyah and you're literally saying, oh, we need to shoot up this gay nightclub. We need to go and kill these non-believers. That's illegal behavior. Those are threats of violence that are universally prohibited and Muslim skeptic has been very consistent that that kind of behavior should be reported. So this is not some like big gotcha. As for MPAC, yes, you have gotten government grants. Your history is of getting government grant. You apply for government grants. Like how are you denying this? I showed exactly where you're getting government grants from. DHS is sponsoring your report of Safe Spaces on their official website. Like your report that your organization has produced, I didn't say that you were working with MPAC this whole time. This is a claim about MPAC, your organization. That's the kind of organization that you are working with because you have the same kind of fed mentality. You get the argument now or you're gonna straw man me again. And also Abdul and Maraghi, these modernists that I referenced, they weren't in India. So what are you talking about? Time. Gojavad, oh, you're on mute. Let me unmute you. All right. So Daniel plays fast and loose with the truth. I want to see just like he lied and claimed that this was not a public profile photo, just like he claimed that I showed his kids even though I blurred out everything. He lies all the time. He's a chronic liar. So here with Bergus, show me where he called to a criminal act. He did not. In fact, he used the same sort of rhetoric that you use, Daniel. So according to me, his speech is actually protected. So again, you, sir, are the snitch. Okay, you are reporting pre-crime. As far, and then again, you didn't address the fact that you were working for Joaquin Institute during the time that the CVE thought that you yourself would later accuse them of. So again, that entraps you. Now you're all like, oh, I'm not attacking MPAC. I'm not attacking you. I'm attacking MPAC. Dude, this all started because you were trying to avoid the debate with me. Okay. So then you had to go against my employer. Okay. Now, as far as my employer is concerned, those things that you say about safe spaces, first of all, safe spaces. So the only CVE grant that they actually got was one grant in 2016, which was a $20,000 grant, which they got for their alternative to CVE. It's in the documentation that it's not government CVE. It's a pilot program for an alternative to CVE which removes the deleterious aspect of a law enforcement aspect to it. And then it makes it community self-monitoring exactly what you're saying that you should do, which is that you should report extremists. Now, me personally, I don't believe that any pre-crime should ever be reported. And in fact, what they did was from the first version of safe spaces to the second one, they removed that aspect. The one that you're talking to report burges, they removed that aspect because of civil libertarians were worried about this aspect. So they removed that. They also removed the aspect that you're talking about Ibn Taymiyah. I also find that to be silly. You know, if you read Ibn Taymiyah, that was an outsourcing. They made a mistake there. Not every organization is perfect. You jump on everybody and go down. Like you're going to Imam Suhaib Webb and talking to him about something that happened years ago. You have done nothing for the community. You're just a grifter. You didn't even speak about that Imam Suhaib Webb thing at that time. You just want cameras and show it in 4K because you want virality. Again, show your financials. Show your financials. Let's prove that you're not an agent. Yeah, Suhaib Webb ran away. I was going to bring it up, but he ran away, unfortunately. As for Yaqeen funding, I have never said that Yaqeen takes CVE money. I have never made this claim. So you are a liar. You are straw manning me. I said that there are many individuals in Yaqeen that have a background with CVE, whether they have been part of the CVE program, whether they have spearheaded or promoted the CVE program. That's the claim. Memorize it, Jafed. Memorize it, Yaqeen Institute that are working with you probably to spread these lies. And I, you know, so they're not taking Yaqeen funding. So that didn't affect me when I was just at the beginning of the organization and I left within a few months after it became clear that they're just modernists like you. What else did you say? You only got a 20K grant. Like this is such a Mariyadi type of response. You applied for hundreds of thousands of dollars in grants. You were awarded a almost $400,000 grant impact. Was awarded by the Obama administration. You didn't accept the grant that you were awarded for political reasons, but you applied for it. The grant, the CVE grant was actually awarded to impact. You just didn't accept it because it became politically inconvenient because the whole Muslim community was blasting you for why are you working with the federal government to police the Muslim community? That's the whole, that's the real story. So this is just a line from Mariyadi that, oh, we only got $20,000. Even that $20,000 is fed money. So why are you just brushing that aside? You're getting money from the fed. So you're just admitting that my point, you're also saying that, oh, we made a mistake. Yeah, you make a lot of mistakes. You still haven't addressed the promotion of the Afghanistan invasion and occupation, the Libya invasion by NATO, which there was full support of that by impact. You never talked about any of that kind of work that CVE has done. I showed the screenshots, I showed the quotes. This is the documented record. How can you even claim that this is a pro-Muslim organization? And time. Javad, that's right. Whenever, I forgot, whenever you mute yourself, I still have to unmute you. Sorry about that, I keep forgetting. Okay, so Daniel engages in his lies and continuous slander and he tries to avoid the point. The point is that Daniel accused Omar Suleiman of working with CVE of people and intelligence services. We have the tweet from that. That is in 2017, when he himself was working there. And then we have his, in a nice suit and tie, he's coming up and praising Omar Suleiman and saying, tell us about this grift on your part, Daniel. Tell us about how you shifted your position, how your 2019 paper argued for the exact same things that now you're railing against them about. You're just a grifter, Daniel. That's exactly what you are. Now, as far as, let's talk about, first of all, your first lie goes out the window. You said that Homeland Security was funding our organization and I was getting money from this organization. That turned out to be completely false, $0. What happened, happened many years ago, I was not even there. So why are you calling me the Fed? Number two, you said, and if you are gonna call me a Fed for another argument then make that other argument. Don't just use this loose associations that you're doing. You're dishonest person, you're a liar. You're a serial liar and everybody knows it. Everybody in the American Muslim community, I have religious views that are not, people don't like because I'm a modernist, that's fine. I understand that, but at least I'm not known as a liar. You're a serial liar. Even people who like say, I hate Javad's religious viewpoints, don't call me a liar. You're a liar and a grifter because you know what happened? You actually couldn't make it. You couldn't get a degree. You couldn't do the grad school route. You said that you're a failure in that video. You said you had to get a minimum wage job in an internship not related to your degrees. And so you were stuck. You said you were a failure and then Joaquin gave you the job. You took it happily. You didn't criticize them there and then they let you go and you've been disgruntled ever since then and now you're attacking them openly and then you realize, oh, if I'm extreme and I grift, I get lots of followers and this is the grift that you are involved with. Now, next, I want to deal. So I want to deal with the lie of- I have to- How much time for the open dialogue is left, James? 33 minutes and 23 seconds. Oh, okay. Should I start now? Go ahead. Okay. So yeah, I praised Omar Suleiman in the past and then I criticized them. Yeah, it's called growth. It's called understanding the reality. It's called doing research. When you find out someone is a fraud or is doing something unethical, then you criticize for them. How is this like a own or a gotcha against me? Like, this is ridiculous. The article of 2017 or the essay that I wrote about LGBT, right? I'm very clear that Muslims cannot support LGBT rights and Muslims can actually engage in discrimination legally against LGBT. That is the argument that that paper makes. Now, was I- Did I have all the same positions then that I do now? No. And I've acknowledged this. I have actually corrected my mistakes many, many times on the record, but this is like a gotcha that people like you and Madhali just want to keep trotting out. I've already addressed this. So this is nonsense. As for me being a serial liar, like everyone saw, Soheb Webb also called me a liar, but when he's confronted with actual facts, then he has nothing to say. He has to run away. And just like I'm doing now, Javad, all of your claims are just straw men, like this whole Fed claim. You still haven't understood the argument. Impact your employer that you very conveniently left and you dropped or they fired you because of your dismal performance in the previous debate. Very conveniently, right before our debate now, they are benefiting from their government connections with DHS. DHS did grant them that for almost 400K back in 2017. So this is not a lie. The documentation is all there and you want to just lie about it. That's all that's happening here. And yeah, so this is the Fed argument. It's not that you personally are getting checks from DHS. Like this is a straw man. And I want you to admit that Muhammad Abdul is a modernist who was pro-colonialism. Admit that, admit it right now, Javad. To Javad, let me make sure he's unmuted. And mind your folks, hit that like button if you haven't already. Thanks for your support. Go ahead, Javad. Thank you so much. So let's deal with your lie about that impact at CVE money. So the only CVE money again that they've ever gotten and that's questionable because it was through the city of Los Angeles. It wasn't directly through Homeland Security. But fine, you can count that. That was again as an alternative to CVE as mentioned in the grant application that this is an alternative. And we oppose surveillance of the Muslim community and entrapment. Okay, all policing, entrapment and surveillance were all opposed by impact from the very beginning. That was what their entire alternative was designed for. It was a community alternative where we talk about public health and community growth and all this kind of stuff without law enforcement. That's why when they applied for the $400,000 grant to pilot it in six cities, it was declined then by the Trump administration that you, by the way, told Muslims to vote for. You said Muslims should vote for Trump. That's how silly you are in your politics and your beliefs, okay? But the Trump administration rejected it because they said MPAC is not allowing law enforcement in this plan. This alternative is not real CVE and we reject it. In fact, you can see what the right wing think tank said they said MPAC was trying to fool the government and get rid of all of the aspects of CVE that they want which is surveillance, entrapment and policing. So the trick that you use, the sleight of hand you do use as a smear merchant and liar is you say, okay, MPAC was somehow involved in CVE. Then this is what CVE is and then you say the worst case scenario what CVE is, therefore MPAC tolerated this. But the reality is that what MPAC actually argued for was an alternative which said no policing, no entrapment, no surveilling of the Muslim community and we just want law enforcement out completely and it's just community self-monitoring. Now, you may disagree with that, I may disagree with that but the point is don't misrepresent it. And by the way, you yourself did the exact same thing with Burgess, which you haven't addressed. You show me one quote where he breaks the law. You said to call the police on him, show me the quote where he, give me the quote, you can't have general statements, right? You have to have a specific statement where he breaks the law and that's what you have to show and you can't show that. And time. I did explicitly address Burgess. You still haven't addressed whether Muhammad Abdul was pro-colonialism or not or any of the other modernist I mentioned outside of the subcontinent. So you keep dodging that question. Again, the M-PAC in December 2020 apologized for involvement with CVE. So all of this justification that you're giving for CVE, your own organization M-PAC distanced themselves and said, we were wrong on CVE. They admitted the guilt of participating in CVE. So why do you keep repeating the lie that, oh, M-PAC, it wasn't really CVE? Yes, your own organization said it was CVE and we're sorry, we apologize. And this is why M-PAC has been boycotted from so many mosques in Southern California and the rest of the country, because they're known as feds. They're known as working with the feds against the Muslim community. So all of your claims are complete, nonsense. What was the other thing that you said I didn't answer? Like Burgess, yeah, he's making threats. Go to the video. I don't have prepared like the quote from Burgess, but he is saying, we need to use physical force to stop these degenerates. Yes, that can be considered invoking violence. Go and watch the video that I made on Burgess. And this is typical entrapment behavior, agent provocateur behavior. When you go and specifically advocate for physical force or violence to enforce some kind of ideology. So this is what the guy was doing. He was posting it on social media. This is something that is completely illegal. And we were just pointing that out. This is not a hypocrisy on our part. This is very different than saying, if you read Ibn Taymiyya or Sayyid Khutbah or Ibn Qayyim, you're a terrorist or a potential terrorist and authorities need to come arrest you or talk to you like M-PAC has advocated for years as they admit. And time, go ahead, Javad, let me unmute you. And folks, if you haven't yet, share this debate with someone who likes these topics. Go ahead, Javad. Daniel is a serial liar. So we've already exposed that his first lie goes out the window, which is that Javad was getting paid by Homeland Security. You literally said that word for word. That's a lie. Number two lie, you said that M-PAC supported CVE. What M-PAC did was it provided an alternative to CVE to remove the harmful aspects because they thought at that time their Ijtihad was that the government is going to implement some form of CVE. So we might as well give an alternative that removes the harmful aspects. This is in the initial grant application for the $20,000 that they got and also in the $400,000 grant that they didn't get. And it was rejected again because of those aspects were removed, the exact aspects that you're trying to associate with them. So you're a liar. As far as their apology, Daniel, they apologized because of community pressure. You're right, because there were people who were being dishonest and putting pressure on it and saying that any involvement with CVE. However, I do think that there was other mitigating information, which I do think that an apology was a good idea because it became apparent that the government documents came out that were declassified that showed that the United States government wasn't following through on what it was stating and was using CVE to spy on Muslims against them even though they claimed they were not. So that was information that was declassified. And so in that sense, that is something that, so you could say that they were naive and they shouldn't have done that. But the way you're portraying it as that they were trying, the way you portrayed it in your thread was that they're actively trying to spy and trap and police Muslims. This is a blatant lie. They're actually trying to remove all those aspects. And so you might blame them for being naive and they themselves think that, but now they do. By the way, the Brennan Center themselves who were the most critical says that MPAC refused to work with the FBI, okay? So I agree with the Brennan Center's viewpoint that it's against like, it really is harmful to civil liberties that I believe are in. Meanwhile, you still need to show Bergus that statement that you said is not a crime. I'm sorry, you don't know what you're talking about. That's not a crime. To say that you need to respond in a general fashion, that's not a crime. As far as agent provocateur, you're the agent provocateur. You say all the negative things and don't cross the line because that would get people arrested. So as an agent provocateur, you have to do nothing. The only thing that I advocate is traditional Islam that all of the Islamic scholars throughout history have preached all of these books that you consider to be extremism and you consider to be ISIS light. Like that's all I preach, what Islam has been preaching for 1400 years. You just call that terrorism. Like that's you, even this debate, like your opening proves that you're a fed because you're using the same kind of CVE logic. You called me a tech theory. You called me an extremist. You called me a radical. You're saying that I'm inciting violence. This is exactly what CVE is. So you're talking about how, oh, CVE is something that we disagree with. You're doing CVE in this debate. That you're presuming the CVE logic of radicalization and tech theorism in this very debate. So you're proving that you're just a fraud. Let's see, when will you admit that MPAC supported military invasions and the two to four million that were killed in the invasions that MPAC supported? When will you admit that the liberal West and liberal reformers support secular dictators, not Islamists? These are all things that you've avoided. What about Fiqh books? Okay, ask him. So let's see the Burgess claim, the Burgess claim. Again, he said physical force, physical force. This is illegal and in Australia especially. So do you know Australian law? This is something that is considered incitement to violence. It is potentially dangerous. It is illegal. I don't know why you keep wanting to bring this point up. You say MPAC refused to work for the FBI. Look at the 2006 interview that I cited. He is asking for working with the FBI. Mariatty, your president, asked to work for the FBI in a counter radicalization program. So why are you lying? Yeah, and all of these native informants and these uncle Tom's claim, oh, now we know better. Oh, the government. Yeah, now hindsight is 2020. That doesn't absolve you from the crimes. That doesn't absolve you from the Muslims that were spied on and were harmed by your programs at MPAC. This is such a mealy-mouthed type of apology and it's disgusting. All right. One thing I wanna remind you folks, actually, I shouldn't say remind this first time I'm mentioning it. We actually got the poll feature to work. So instead of putting a J or a D in chat, there's now an official poll in the live chat for who you found most persuasive tonight, whether it be Javad or Daniel. Javad, thanks very much. The floor is all yours. So Daniel is a serial liar. He can't get his facts straight. So he says, so I'm sharing my screen right now. Here's dishonest Dan, himself linking to the article, which disproves exactly what he's saying. Here in this article that Daniel himself showed, it shows that Salam al-Mariyati opposed informants and entrapment. When I said that Salam refuses to work with the FBI, it's I said in the program of CVE. Otherwise MPAC believes in working with the government. Because if you're not have a seat on the table, you're gonna be on the menu. That's the belief. You, Daniel, you take taxpayer money. I mean, you give your taxes. Don't you wanna know where it's spent? Don't you think that? So Salam was in the government and he actually, and he actually made a documentary. He was in a documentary that was against the FBI about how they're using informants. This is called the Nuburg Jihad, Nuburg Sting. He was in a documentary. So you're misrepresenting. Just because you work with the government doesn't mean that you support, you're actually working with the government to push back against those specific aspects, those ones that you have accused me and MPAC of. So you're a liar. Even if you had a legitimate complaint, you are a liar because you can't help yourself. So you have to say, Salam works for the FBI, therefore he supports FBI surveillance and entrapment and policing. When in fact what he works for, and you did this against, what's her name? Mogahed as well. Mogahed gave recommendations exactly against the things that you then attributed to her, because you're a liar. So Salam said, Salam works with the FBI to tell them that they shouldn't do these things. And we know this because the right wing says this about Salam, they call him an Islamist. And so does all the Trump administration rejected their alternative to CVE? Again, these are all lies that you're saying, Daniel. As far as their record when it comes to wars, I didn't prepare for this because you didn't have this in your initial smear thread. But from what I know is that, yeah, well, I mean, when you have a serial liar, it's hard to go through all of the onions of lie, right? But they do say that they're opposed to military actions in the Middle East. And I showed you that quote, of course you didn't show your audience that, right? So if they, there were a lot of Muslims who supported the war in Afghanistan, I'm not sure if they did or not, but you yourself were part of Yaqeen Institute, and you've now grown, you've now grown, right? You've now grown, right? So it's okay for other people to grow? All right, we'll take it over to Daniel for just a minute. You've had double time because you talked to your audience. No, no, no. Look at this, look at this, look at this. Let's go over to Daniel. Yeah, yeah, I worked with Yaqeen is comparable to working with the feds to surveil Muslims and to spread this policing of the Muslim community. He's interrupting me, James. This is not fair. Yeah, you should just double-stop there. I'll interrupt you, I got to beat you. I'll interrupt his time too, no problem. Just tell James, enforce like him being muted. He's muted now. Let me double-check. You unmuted yourself, wow. All right, now he's muted. Okay. Yeah, look at this. Two minutes. Okay, so I started the two minutes. You're comparing like working with the feds to me, like giving taxes as a citizen of a country. Like this is your argument. This is so silly, like this is, and you're just admitting everything. Like I didn't claim that F that Salam Mariyadi endorses every policy of the FBI. Like this is such a ridiculous straw man. Again, follow exactly what I'm saying, Javad. He has asked to work with the FBI for counter-radicalization in 2006. The link that I shared, that frontline interview shows that. His statement, everyone can go to the link and see exactly where he says. We wanted to have counter-radicalization programs working with the FBI. We want to monitor Islamic schools to make sure that they're not teaching anything that the government doesn't approve of. Go and see the quote, like I'm not saying it verbatim. Go and actually see what Salam says. And then like according to your logic, Javad, you can work with the CIA, like you can work with the military. You can actually be involved with the Iraq invasion. But as long as you oppose some of the policies, like I'm a soldier working for the US government in Iraq and we're killing a lot of Iraqis, but I don't agree with all the killing, maybe 50% of the killing. Like that's your logic. Therefore it's okay. It's okay to be a soldier in the US military. Like that's such a depraved type of logic. And this is the kind of logic that impact rolls out to whitewash is disgusting pro-Zionist behavior, pro-occupation, pro-invasion behavior, pro-CVE promotion, getting funds from the government, getting all this access. What better picture of corruption do you need than Salam there smiling and shaking the hands of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama, like, oh yeah, there's no corruption there. We want to seat at the table. That's what every uncle Tom says. Oh, we're just helping our community. If you didn't have me sitting at the table and getting fat off of the government funding, oink, oink pig, that's what your organization is about, Javad. Oink, oink. Time, go ahead, Javad. Let me unmute you, let me, there you go. Yeah, oink, oink sounds like you. You're the pig who calls the pigs and snitches. And you look like a pig, right? Oh, oh, big insult, Javad. Really good, okay, let me speak up. Can you mute him? Can you mute him? Can you mute him? Okay, so he has so many lies. MPAC is a Zionist, MPAC supports BDS. It can't be Zionist, another lie. MPAC supports wars. It opposes Middle East interventions, as I showed in the quote. MPAC works for the FBI. Yes, it works for the FBI to tell them to oppose surveillance, surveilling, entrapment. These are the exact things. You can look at the, as far as opposing radicalization, he then says, oh, he talks about opposing radicalization. Yes, by self-monitoring. That's what he's talking about. He's literally telling the FBI that leave the radicalization to us. That has been MPAC's policy, that de-radicalization has been left to the American Muslim community. That's what Safe Spaces was all about. So you're just a liar. So you use loose connections to attack people. You're a liar. You're dishonest, Dan. You call me Jaffed, you're a liar, okay? And as far as we should go back to your white supremacist talks, where you have these beautiful, lovely brochats where you're all talking about common ground. You don't have any problem with allyship. Why are you, why do you have a problem with allyship? You actually love these white nationalists. Let's talk about that. And let's talk about your views about black people. You seem to hate black people. You are a racist, Daniel. Why do you have, like if I was on with a white nationalist and they were talking about criminality of black people, I would get infuriated. I wouldn't tell them, oh yeah, maybe they need religion more and because white people are more sophisticated and they don't need religion. Like, Daniel, you should fight back against racists. You shouldn't have lovely chats with them. And all of your viewers are talking about what lovely chat. You can't talk to a Muslim with decency. You talk to, you insult, you yell, you do all these kinds of things. But when it comes to white nationalists, Daniel loves white nationalists. He loves them. Why? Because they give them virality. That's the reason. You're a grifter, Daniel. You went from being reasonable, working with Ikeem because you were part of the community and then all of a sudden you left and so you had to make money somehow, release your financial records. You won't do that. You've denied that you'll do that. And now your grift is all apparent. You grift, okay. You don't like hate them, say Fadim. Say it, denounce them then. Denounce Sheikh Al Alwan then. Denounce them. You defend them. If you were reversing your position, that's great. Why don't you do that? You ask everybody else to do these apologies, right? So Imam Suhaib Webb supported North Taghuri. What about you supporting Sheikh Al Alwan? Let's have you, which one's more harmful? Let me unmute you, Daniel. It should, I just clicked unmute. There you go, Daniel. Okay, sure. I'm starting in the time. Yeah, how can I be, I had two debates with, or three actually, with white nationalists and therefore I am pro-white nationalist. I'm trying to debunk white nationalism and I'm providing all these arguments to debunk white nationalism and somehow that makes me pro-white nationalist. Also, you said I used an anti-white slur before. You claimed I said, you said wigger is an anti-white slur. So I'm using racial slurs against white people, but somehow I'm also pro-white. How does that even make any sense? I've rejected any kind of racial nationalism. I'm advocating for Islamic government, Sharia law. My record is clear. I've denounced all kinds of terror groups. So this is ridiculous. You're the one who worships the white men, Jafed. Look at how you, look at Sir Sayyid, talking about, you tweeted this actually, an entire thread about Sir Sayyid's essay, complaining about how Indian Muslims are disgusting slobs who just eat with their hands and grease, dribbles down their face, like this extremely Islamophobic racist portrayal by this coconut Sir Sayyid. And you actually describe it in very positive terms and you say that, oh, I felt actually very self-conscious as an Indian Muslim or Pakistani Muslim that I also am very disgusting. I mean, I'm just doing this off the top of my head, but you can go look at the thread. Oh, I realized that we need to have some kind of manners, table manners, we need to reform our eating practices. Sir Sayyid is right. Muslims are disgusting. So this is the pinnacle of white supremacy. Sir Sayyid is praising the British, praising the colonizer. And you agree with Sir Sayyid. You're like, yeah, just go to any Indian restaurant, go to Shalimar restaurant as you put it. And look how disgusting Muslims are. This is the kind of white supremacy that you support, the colonialism that you support, the liberal reform project that you support that every academic recognizes is a disaster and is responsible for cultural and actual genocide. These are your role models, Jafed. You've actually admitted that. So how can you claim that I, because I debate white supremacists, I'm pro-white supremacy, what a crock, this is nonsense. Like, get a better argument, you're failing this debate. And finally, Jafed, here's a challenge for you. I want you to recite Ayatollah Korsi. Prove that you're actually a Muslim. Recite the Quran, recite Ayatollah Korsi for the audience and show that you can actually recite part of the Quran. I think the audience needs to understand whether you claim to be a Islamic scholar. So prove that by actually reciting from Ayatollah Korsi, I think that'll be a good demonstration for the audience. Or, you know, stay silent and ignore it. Go ahead, let me go ahead Javad, Laura's all yours for two minutes. So many lies, what can we do? Let's start with Uighur. I never said that this was an anti-white slur. That's, you wouldn't do that. You love white people. You repeated, he said, I love white people, all right? You said Uighur is an insult against black people. You're accusing white people of acting black. Please tell us what you mean by that, Daniel. You've implied that too about Imam Suheib Webb. Please tell us what you mean, but what does it mean to be black? And why didn't you push back against when they said that black people are more criminal? What, wait, why didn't you disagree with that? You said, oh yeah, they are, but let me give you a suggestion that maybe they need religion more. And then your white nationalist buddy agreed with you and said that's a great hypothesis. You say that these are debates. These are plausible deniability. They were actually friendly chats. In fact, you guys are playing footsies throughout this entire thing. They didn't even need moderator for two of them. You can't even stand me. You can't stand Muslims. You have to blur out a hijabi. Again, she wasn't playing cosplay like your wife. So like you can't stand them, but for white nationalists, you love them. You're a bootlicker when it comes to white nationalists. All right, tell us, do you think, answer me this question. Do you think different races have different IQs and different levels of criminality? Can you tell us about that? Please let us know what your viewpoint is. And then if you do not agree with that, why didn't you point any of that out when you were debating supposedly these white nationalists? In fact, you were just having a love fest. And anyone can watch your discussions and just even look at the comments of the white Nat. People are like, oh, I couldn't believe that white nationalists are so good. So this is all just lying from you. And as far as Sir Sayed, you have to reach all the way back to Sir Sayed to attack me. That's hilarious. I support certain ideas of Sir Sayed, not all of them. I definitely think like the most consensus of historians that he went overboard in his statements when he was talking about British loyalism. That's fine. I believe that. But what about your Wahhabism, which was funded? The guy was literally funded. The entire Wahhabi movement was funded by the British. They were on a stipend. So if you want to say anything against modernism, what about your Akida that you follow? You follow Salafi Wahhabism. You've said it before. You're an Atheri and you want to now claim all that. Literally, you had to take the Salafi Shahada in front of these other people, which was pretty hilarious. Hi. But that's really who you are. Hi. Pick it over to Daniel. Yeah, I'm not a Wahhabi. A lot of these Wahhabis absolutely denounce me. A lot of these Madhali Wahhabis, they completely denounce me. So this is like nonsense. I've never said that I'm Wahhabi. Atheri is a theological school. Everyone saw you butcher it in our previous debate and you got like refuted by 10 different Hanbalis and Atheris about that. The term wigger is a racial slur against whites. Who else is a slur against? It means imitating black people in this caricature of black culture. That's why it's so racist for a white person to act like he's black when he's not actually black. This is not an insult against black people. This is an insult against whites. So you don't even understand basic cultural points. Yeah, so you didn't recite Ayatollah Korsi. That's why I was waiting for it. Are you googling it now, Javad? Can you recite Ayatollah Korsi? The first word of it is Allah. I'll give you a hint. Can you recite it? Go ahead. Yeah, nod your head. No, don't interrupt. No, nod your head. Don't interrupt. Yeah, yeah. No, no, no. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, yes. You learned how to say Allah in Arabic in 50 years. It's in Arabic. It was considered a Lynd Rabbit. So say I told Korsi I'm not your you're no sorry, I'm your monkey. I'm what are your drinking bags? It's what is this, James. This is not what he. He literally also, you're literally a lot more. I didn't finish my two minutes. Didn't you ask me to recite something taught him for the rest of my two minutes but he interrupted okay and he didn't respond he didn't actually recite the verse so how can he just it's a rhetorical okay yeah so recite Ayatul Korsi prove that you actually know like one verse of the Quran if anything like this is really embarrassing Javad recite Ayatul Korsi can you do that or are you googling it right now is Khalil like sending you the verse can you actually read the Arabic recite it go ahead this is something children for the audience who are non-Muslims children Muslim children learn this at five years old like it's one of the first verses of the Quran that you memorize Javed does or Javed doesn't even know this verse is he really a muslim was he ever a muslim that's a question or is he like a hindu javat we actually all unmute you we have enough time for see what we can do is umor so we'll have this one from javad we'll start the clock in a second javad once you're unmuted we'll have one from you javad then one from daniel and then we'll be going into the next section which is if i remember right it's q and a so folks if you put in a question for the q and a uh we originally have a five minute break for each guest i think that was originally though that daniel requested that for prayer time so i don't know if we need that break anymore so we should probably keep on rolling because we're already like uh supposed to have been done with this debate this hour ago so javad the floor is all yours yeah thank you so uh not only have i studied the arabic language for the last 10 years i actually lead jama khutbas so yes i do read the Quran and have memorized verses of the Quran i actually took study no i'm not your monkey and i'm not going to do it oh yeah because hey stop interrupting hey james he's interrupting right now okay like i told you if you want to speak in arabic we can have the rest of the conversation in arabic i do uh okay you're you're muted buddy um so uh you know i'm not your monkey and i'm not going to um uh just recite on command and the reason why is very simple number one is i'm not your monkey and number two is if you even have one slight mistake in pronunciation your kind to jump on it and that's the only argument that you guys have all right uh anyways um so let's go back to uh daniel the liar uh let's dishonest dan the entire muslim umma um you know says that this guy is a liar all right again they might not like my religious views but they don't call me a liar okay they don't call me a grifter they don't call me all these things that daniel is all right so number one let's release your financial records why aren't you doing that why aren't you making it a non-profit why is alas not not a non-profit organization okay let's talk about your associations with white nationalists you're claiming that you debated them what did you refute to them all you said to them was in the debate you invited them to islam and said hey why don't you consider a white ethno-nationalist state and just become muslim and you said what if we cut off you even were soft on migration bands you were like yeah they actually an audience member asked you and said do you support migration bands instead of saying no like somebody with guts like the boot liquor that you are the white boot liquor that you are you said uh yeah actually i discourage people to come to the west anyways and so and then ruche actually says we actually agree on that okay and he understood well so all of your people they understand what you're doing here we understand what you're signaling so you are a grifter you grift white nationalists why don't you condemn them and disassociate themselves why are you having love fest with them and footsies with them why don't you condemn you still haven't condemned hate them hate them say for dean yet you haven't condemned uh even sheikh al alwan yet you haven't come and even Muhammad hijab tells you that these are extremists that you still don't say hey i made a mistake this was wrong i was wrong i'm going to delete this content you haven't done that so why don't you fix your mistakes you go around with microphone and 4k as a grifter getting everybody why is your associations with these isis and al-qaeda people less bad and white nationalists less bad than imam sahib web just talking to this uh you know supporting this uh hijabi woman which i don't agree with what he did but that was a mistake but you you expect perfection from everybody else and you go attack everyone you've got two minutes left for daniel the floor is all yours daniel um okay he got way over two minutes time so let me explain why muslim skeptic or alessna are non-profits because when you are a non-profit you have to abide by certain regulations which includes disclosing the legal names of the people who are volunteering for you or working for you not volunteering but the people who are on your payroll so we have people on our payroll that don't want to want to be doxxed by the likes of a oink oink pig like hujjavad we don't want to be look at what you did to me in this stream you're posting pictures of my children so for the safety of everyone who is involved with muslim skeptic from pigs like you i cannot we cannot be a non-profit that's just the nature of the kind of work that muslim skeptic does that's the thing when you want to defend islam against people like you feds like you it is not easy work and there are a lot of dangers to you and your family for defending traditional islam because you have this war on terror you have a fed organization like mpac who puts people like you here to call other muslims extremists and get them in trouble with their employers with their academic institutions with their with the law so this is this is very risky dangerous work because of this regime this liberal regime this hegemony that you are a part of so this is why we cannot have um this kind of non-profit status we would it would be great because we get all kinds of benefits for being non-profit but we can't even get those benefits because of people like you as for race you keep bringing up race um i in those debates i can see that the possibility that there is like race realism this is not a racist position yeah we can't talk about anything like that sorry okay so this is not like this is not like my like a racist position um and then there was another point yeah i had to of course he recited well lame excuse you don't want i'm fine like just give me the second word of i had to of course can you give me the second word Allah i gave you the first word what is the second word of i had to of course do you even know what i had to of course he is how many how many rakat inserts of fatty hide in jeffet how many rakat yeah oh yeah shake your eyes like how many i don't know if you didn't even what is i think what is the arabic word for debate what is the arabic word for debate can you tell me that since you're an arabic master i think what's the arabic word for debate what is the arabic word for debate you what's the second word of i had to of course see go ahead and tell me we are we are engaged in judo what is the second what is no judo is not the word into what is the arabic word for okay debate so you're not here it starts with a meme you don't you don't what is it okay we're gonna jump into the q and a i need to do this kind of you did not even know you did not arabic you ignorant okay learn what i've got to meet both of you and i hate to do that i know that you want to respond javad during the q and a will give you a chance or you'll be able to do that just tack it on the end of your answer to a different question that's my recommendation but i do have to go into the q and a because we have limited time so i'm gonna unmute both of you guys trusting you you'll let me read these questions this one coming in from want to say thanks so much for your question do appreciate it dr omar muslim says daniel in 2016 you said malana salim who pled guilty you said he was innocent one woman's clothing had semen we don't know if the analysis of the semen was published do you know do you now apologize to those women yes or no malana salim is a great scholar these deviance people like jafed tried to frame him he pled guilty why because it was a plea agreement he's in his old age and he had to agree to that because people like jafed were blackmailing him if you go to muslim skeptic i'm very proud of that article alhamdulillah that i got the opportunity to defend this great scholar malana salim Abdullah salim one of the forerunners of islam in america and has one of the biggest islamic madrasas in america so mashallah he's a great scholar i will defend him to this day the people who smeared him they'll be held accountable by allah and yeah the whole case was a hatchet job and i showed that through analysis of the actual court records this was an embarrassment it was a hit job he served no time in prison so people like jafed jafed hate traditionalists they want to get them in trouble with the law this is a blatant lie senator i never said anything about this scholar i don't even know this case so people like jafed yeah no no you said no no no you were clearly implied this is the way you use dishonesty right you dislike this is what smear is this is what smear is this on a stand if we have this much i hate to do this on a stand by association and affiliation that's daniel's hit job against everybody all the jump all the jump and you're the one the next question this one from el orante says nasalamu alik alikum brothers you are both muslims just just putting it out there just gently sliding it out there good luck daniel and good luck javad you're truly compassionate imam fan thanks for your your positivity this one from newer iman says this will be javad his janaza prayer javad is the most terrible fed of our time i'm the only fed in the world who has zero dollars funding from any federal organization great i make my own money by saving lives in the er unfortunately daniel takes it by grifting the community and making money off of them and refuses to release his finances about that okay so these insults are okay let's see uh if you want to quick give a response it's if you guys can do me a favor i don't care just go ahead go ahead do as much of the jabbing of the other because otherwise this will take 12 000 years josh said daniel coping and seething harder than he ever has that account is not a doxing account it's all the smoke screen not very chad behavior daniel uh yeah it is so doxing means that you present private pictures like family pictures it's these that i can't do that it's these trolls that go through facebook and they try to find any kind of picture that doesn't have a privacy setting and they say oh see this is a pri this is a public picture and then they post it and they say oh see this is not doxing that's not what doxing that's not all that doxing is doxing can be taking your personal family photos because i don't talk about my family i don't post my my wife wears niqab on all channels and she does she wear it in real life does she wear it in real life everywhere i must does she wear it in real life everywhere yes or no let me finish my let me finish my answer to your question okay so just like many muslim women who they may not wear hijab in their youth and then they take on the hijab they might not wear niqab at certain points and they adopt it later so this is just yeah i i acknowledge but does she wear it now everywhere i acknowledge now i acknowledge now that my wife um has taken part of the lesson yeah part of the she so she wears are you not everywhere now for you and me she wears niqab everywhere she goes now yeah if she's in front of men and she's mixing because she has to go to a grocery store she has to go to a public place like that yeah ele rante says the moderator showed up in a t-shirt because it's for a murder scene oh boy all out war i don't envy either gentlemen good luck thanks for that polgum gun says hey james you want to show people our emails yes you should show them our emails to embarrass yourself i seriously don't care show them ele rante says ladies calm down let's go all right anyway holy humanist says uh naria kahn your old buddy daniel she says is it true that many scholars have issued fatwa that daniel's blood is halal what does that mean is there an actual fatwa against me not to my knowledge but i wouldn't surprise if it comes ele rante's passion imams will come and might issue a fatwa like that or madhali bootlickers jeffet's friends no i would definitely oppose that ele rante says my conspiracy just threaten me through says my conspiracy brain is running wild doxing became the defense daniel is a wasted political talent what is the question that i'm talented and that i'm wasting it well i don't get the question josh says daniel has retweeted the same doxing accounts this is a total smokescreen it's not being a baby why would i tweet account an account that doxes me why would i retweet an account exactly it's never not doxing there's an account you did no you tweeted the account they didn't have my profile picture in it at first yeah and i retweeted you're you're behind that i know that that's your account oh yeah that's then the account i waste my time with that yeah the account yeah sure the account spread of you accuse me of jim jim look he's interrupting my answers this is for me too no well let me finish my answer go ahead go ahead daniel yeah the question was directed to me so this account uh put a photoshop image of me in front of an israeli flag and so i retweeted that to say look this is a photoshop and then the account which is probably jeffet posted my address so jeffet is saying oh i post i posted doxing accounts like such a liar you're such a you're the liar now your lie has gone to that i'm the one behind the doxing account look how you have no evidence no proof you're just a liar you every lie every lie if the shoe fits if that's all you do you speculate against all leaders and that's why you're a serial liar and grifter the shoe fits you are the accomplished serial liar and grifter of the american muslim community this one coming they even allow you in the masjid near you oh yeah i have i give foot the word so you can dox me so you can dox me don't get this one resign i had to of course you could even get the second letter of i had to of course see oh yeah i'm not playing your game yeah you can't because you can't resign you don't even know the arabic word for debate yeah i give clown yeah oh yeah i gave it you're just a poser you don't know all right gentlemen it's no it's monadora there's another word for it monadora is the word el monadora is the the term for this kind of debate you think i don't know the word monadora i've studied there i don't think you do you don't even know the second word of the i had to of course yeah i'm not your monk that's the biggest fail that's the real failure i have to figure out how to i had a convenient button where i could mute both of you at once but it's disappeared let me figure this out but i do uh Daniel just keep speaking to his audience the second the second word of i had to of course see go ahead i'm not your you haven't had right i don't look it up i lead i lead juma foot buzz yeah there are many and i'm going to i'm not going to know any area i actually like just recite it in do you know which day uh foot buzz are supposed to be given do you know which day that is oh i wonder what day that is daniel how many very how many rockets in uh so i thought you know that yeah that's that's hilarious yeah i'm a dude all right you know i do know what we do is silly questions you didn't even know what is ma the problem with it you know do you know i watch your review debate you didn't even word i had to of course the second word the problem with it no no don't get scared now you're saying a lot of where the problem with the second word is left what is the third word when i was saying that it was the third word what did i mean by that what did i mean by the third word of what i mean when it's my there's the button okay sorry to do this to you guys you're on mute but i do have to go forward this one coming in from oh yeah i saw just now i didn't see this in the chat while we were going but uh folks you can't have any sort of ethnic slurs so i'm gonna have to ban those accounts that used it and then mods if you see the uh word p a k a i in the chat i just looked it up that's uh ethnic slur if you didn't know that it's not just an abbreviation so we uh want to mute those that we're we're going to delete those people so for real folks like we don't have any we don't have any lenience with that so allurante says i want my money back it's a debate rule of engagement just kidding man the man the f up and let's go i think that was when he almost canceled the debate this is the first one in a while that i've been in like fighter flight mode and on your mouse says may a la protect our brother daniel from all the shea team that are working against him of men and jinn islam is future proof and won't submit to liberalism any uh all right this one a la ronty says moderator is channeling let's see you say take off your shirt what is wrong with you it must be one of daniel's fans all right come on that's a joke it was funny you good come on all right all right he says uh let's see holy humanist says if anyone has daniel's address i'm willing to pay a lot for it what okay that's weird allurante says fun fact um thanks for your kind words i do want to say i'm gonna unmute our guys for a second uh look he's cheating again he's talking to his audience that's cheating James he's talking to his audience let me respond see this is exactly he's cheating they're docking they're doxing me they're trying to dox me while i'm debating oh they should dox me there you go they should i said they should not dox you don't you're such a liar i literally just said that you should not dox speak clearly okay speak clearly okay i'm yeah i know you can't speak arabic and i don't see it you don't know i don't of course see i'm sorry i'm a widow i'm a widow what do you mean no no there's another slow that they're using what does that mean what does that mean yeah they're using paki because you yeah so so why are you talking about like yeah because you're persian right you're superior so you're academic she's trying to dox me right these ex-muslims like you are involved with doxing at least at least new ria races for my address our different races smarter at least new ria didn't okay i got a question pictures of my family they were blurring at least she didn't post my blurred then children you liar she's actually better than you photo that i believe she's better than new ria only wants my address for god knows what reason i blurred them new ria after getting humiliated all right but we got to go to the next one i'm sorry ria look at that man she wants my address for what thank you look you're uh why posted it publicly i dress no you're for your picture with showing that she doesn't wear she doesn't cosplay uh with you thought are appropriate to look jeffette this is learned i blurred even the handle i blurred the handle is you go to the next one yeah yeah that's you all right you're the new block of tour you're in this monadara i hate the word is al monadara okay i got to do this daniel brought a prop okay this is from dr omar muslim thea says daniel in two oh we got that one uh this one from no name thank you for your uh super chat they said uh jeffette's argument they say in his feminine voice yeah says goes as follows daniel isn't conceding to liberal attacks against islam like me therefore daniel is bad and they say no kidding javad that's why the all moominem love daniel and all magnifique clean hate him thd from quiz knows i'll give you a chance to respond it's true that go ahead so what's the exact question again i mean is there a question there they're saying that uh in a lot more words they're saying that daniel that you're saying that daniel isn't conceding to liberal attacks against islam i mean that's not that hasn't been my that hasn't been my attack against him in this entire discussion i even conceded at the very beginning that the people watching this might think that my religious views are completely anathema to them i'm okay with that i'm okay being an academic and an islamic intellectual in a university setting where people don't want to listen to my views that's okay they're going to be a small minority that do and i'm okay with that but what i'm not okay with being is being a liar and a smear merchant someone who constantly attacks every other voice out there in personality in order to get likes and subscribes following around going with a camera and this is a nasty person overall i mean you are a nasty person who name calls you're like trump you use i mean you're creative like trump you have like jahil north and all these names that you come up with i mean this is just just completely silly and now here you are cheating again talking to your audience because you're a cheater um and you just lie you're just a you're just a serial liar this one coming in from all right daniel i'll give you a chance you guys have to stop let's see attacking each other in every question daniel if you want to give a quick rebuttal yeah just have him recite itle course you just the the third word can you do it i gave you the first two you can't i can't do it yeah yeah you clearly can this is humiliating oh yeah yeah yeah this this one coming in from jimbo jimbo let's see yeah okay jimbo i got a banger man you can't use anything like that josh says daniel's wife literally has videos with her face on his channel this is absolutely ridiculous on okay go ahead and she's wearing a face veil people don't understand the yeah concept of the pop cosplay you guys pretend to be religious you actually send you don't even know i think you call yourself an islamic scholar you call yourself islamic scholar yeah you don't have any rock at how many rockat are in surat al-fatiha javis oh yeah that's a great question i can you answer in oh yeah i wonder how many rockat are in wudu yeah can you yeah can you answer that those are relevant for someone who doesn't know what surat what's wrong with you don't even know okay then tell me this what's surat what's surat i'm of course i'm sorry to you guys i hate to do this jimbo says they've got the ele ronte says javad please be balanced don't go overboard i don't know what they are referring to jimbo jimbo um says maga okay dr. omar muslim thea says daniel do you now denounce the al-qaeda people you are promoting yes or no before you qualify your answer if you have to qualify it can you respond without insulting yes i i have denounced al-qaeda i've denounced isis this is a smear that certain people because they have certain views religious views that they are uh supporters of terrorism that is the claim that smear merchants like jafed used to get people into trouble that's the problem he is he's a fed so he makes this claim that oh because you have certain religious views that means you support al-qaeda or you support isis this is exactly cve this is exactly what we um have been discussing about in this debate so javad continues to smear and without without javad being insulted uh i do want to just javad do you are you sure i mean we've got a lot of questions do you do you have to like 10 seconds of a rebuttal do you want to do like so daniel is always like he he he spreads lies and he says that wait wait wait this is no no no it's not it's not it's not i'm sorry i'm sorry you started with the wrong i can't it's just gonna be forever you can't start with that and then like i just mohammed 7123 says daniel did you see javad's debate with robert spencer would love to see daniel debate spencer make it happen james yeah i'd love to debate robert spencer but he keeps running away i've challenged him multiple times so yeah robert spencer if you're listening to this why don't you face me in debate you write articles about me all the time multiple like was it like five articles now that you've written about me so why can't you debate me you can't face me like a man so this is another person that's in the same ballpark is hey hey james i just need to deal with a slander that he said against me that's it i'm not going to insult him i just need to correct the record just real quick 10 seconds 10 seconds please eight seconds okay okay so here daniel says that because i'm calling him an extremist that means i'm calling the government on him that is false i even opposed the fact these are my these are i'm even against twitter bands against daniel that's his right here is when he was banned all the way in 2021 against twitter this is not relevant to the q and a yes i do not support such there you just said it right now these are however this is not your presentation i consider for example this is not your presentation yet as far as i know he has not committed any crime or call to that in fact one of his videos with moe job he seemed uncomfortable when his job was suggesting that therefore i would not only support report someone like a key uh i would not only this is he's reading out like a written statement but this is a big lie this is a big lie just because i call you an extremist doesn't mean that means that you should get arrested all right this one from bubblegum gun says javad want what's objectively wrong with terrorism i don't care about your opinion tell me an objective argument else this all whining that daniel isn't lgbt i don't understand the question but as far as what's wrong with terrorism it goes against both scripturally and from a reason-based perspective we have reasons to obviously be opposed to that terrorism as well as waging wars of aggression and and this sort of thing i mean that's all i could say to that that's a long question that's a long answer if i wanted to give that i don't think it's really relevant either one quick question that i still don't understand something that escapes me still was it was there an accusation that daniel was hang that him and his wife went to a gay bar at the start of the debate what was that no no that was a hypothetical that was a hypothetical we're saying that if i was making the hypothetical that if i'm not trying to make a point i'm just i was like why did that come up i was like was that an acute accusation ele ronte says i think i am going to gish gallop away from here soon this is a high school fight wow which is long overdue ele ronte is a simp ele ronte is a is a simp you need to be a chad like james the names that he uses everybody but this is the super sticker thanks ronnie else and on seriously you appreciate your support as well as mr up tight says james a woman with face veil may take off her face veil when she is with close family showing a family pic without knowing the context is doxy uh was we've gone over a billion times public profile um let's see ele ronte says taste of what taste of daniel james he is one of a kind bro what does that mean ele ronte says no slides no debate all right shazoo how we he was jima says feels like both sides are angling for some advantage and since neither side can get it both refuse to engage this was during the phase of the debate where we were debating on whether or not javad whether or not his slides are show minecraft players says this needs subway surfers in corner who boring subway surfers is that a new thing let's see valorantes says karma omar sully man's prayers answered who's that what does this mean you guys know he's a he's the guy that daniel used to work for and has then started smearing after he left yeah smearing with uh facts and video evidence and that you didn't say anything that javad seems like he's helping you javad seems i don't i'm not making a claim but seems like a lot of your talking points are coming from your employees that's why association affiliation like six degrees of separation this is your complete here's a question for you javad can you be a muslim and reject the five daily prayers like halil can you be a muslim and reject the five daily prayers like your friend halil can you be a muslim and reject the five daily prayers answer that question yes or no yes or no yes or no yes or no yes my least no i don't i don't you support and you answer you support it can you celebrate can you be a muslim and not pray the five prayers and reject the five daily prayers i don't need to respond sorry guys i hate to do this there's just so many questions bubblegum gun says javad's argument is quote daniel is racist and a bigot um i'm guessing you wouldn't agree with that javad if you want to respond i i tried to unmute you let me do it again so i think daniel's grift has made him grift in different extremist directions i can't say i know what he ideologically believes because a lot of it is grift and that grift means that he goes towards islamic extremists on the one hand and then white nationalists on the other and you can just watch his interviews with the his love talks with those three white nationalists in which he didn't even need to have a dial a debate moderator so what kind of debate was it and they all said it was a friendly conversation and they enjoyed it and so i think he has deeply radical racialist views um and yeah so i think they're problematic views there jn says okay daniel really fast um go ahead yeah really smart white nationalists at least have the decency not to post pictures of my children in the debate that's why it doesn't need a moderator public profile unlike you unlike you public profile blurred to show the grift of wrong of you and ola jm my my my two year old was grifting blurred this one my three year old was i hate to do this jn says shout out thanks for your kind words jn that means a lot thanks fia vasconcelos cellos thank you for your kind words as well that this was now we're in the phase of when the stream uh we restarted zade barricade says don't report modern day debate don't let javad the snake escape the faces you guys have made tonight dr dr omar muslim thea says i paid for two previous super chats will it be they yes they will be us m shake says nobody is listening to your garbage javad attacking and insulting people's wives and kids you might be getting a phd but what you need is mayor so i'll give you just a response javad and that's he's he's dishonest dan likes to name call any name calls uh imams mufti he actually calls yasser qadi yasser like sheikh yasser qadi calls him yasser imam umar sulamani calls him umar he's a very disrespectful man um at first name basis with everyone um but i never ever insulted his kids i i did say that his wife is you know a fraud but that's because she's part of alasna part and parcel in fact she's a key part of all of this so she's part of the organization and so yeah i do call out that they cause play aslam they don't live this real life why doesn't he move to afghanistan why not why don't you move pick up and move to afghanistan if your family's not moving then leave them you're living at your endarl kufr right now leave stand up to your beliefs and go this one from also we put a new poll in the chat this is the first time he's talking to his audience still i mean this is unfair you should tell him to stop james all right i just unmuted him so that he uh we have a poll in the chat on whether or not you're a muslim atheist or christian and for the first time ever majority 52 percent of our audience is muslim so welcome we hope you feel welcome thanks for being with us folks this one from m shake says nobody's list we got that one uh richard delhouse says daniel okay that's weird uh sudo nim says jay for javad picks were blurred no crying daniel please um oh okay we've been through this a billion times on the pictures it's not gonna age well posting it going after a man's wife in a debate like this is unprecedented she's part of your organization how sleazy he's key part of your organization stop trying to yeah she's not a random she does some classes on home schooling she's a key part she's part of your programming what a sleazy she comes on your youtube channel and she justifies big regressive misogynist views you're a coward you go after a man's wife and children you're the coward you're never gonna live this down these clips are gonna follow you for the rest of your life inshallah you're the one who propagates these clips are gonna haunt you for the rest of your life inshallah your these clips of you not being able to recite i had to of course he is going to follow you for sorry about that uh let's see and delhouse it's true i'm not reading your your super chats delhouse you've been using some really bad language in the chat you're like seriously in fact i'm just gonna ban you now because you just don't uh i forgot that i mentioned i was going to do that i do want to say folks we cannot take any more questions so don't submit any more questions this one from suda nim says and public till to debate no more cry please daniel okay jimbo jimbo we got that a mayor says jafed the type of dude to pretend to be asleep in the car so his homies can carry him back home okay is this true jafed have you done this no i'm kidding okay this one from suda nim saying says daniels the prophet for islam um jafed go let's see man do you really have to read out all of the insulting yeah your statements by his his multitude of drones let's see we're going to take serious questions it is trail you're just talking to his audience again cheating from mr uptight says i i have to you know i one thing to keep in mind is that daniel like probably even right after this debate if he doesn't after show will be talking to his audience it's cheating so like james but he shouldn't do it during the debate i mean it's cheating and going forward you should you should tell him that that's part of the rules i would like for his focus to be here on the debate but let's go to the next one ph x 576 is jafed let's see why i mean i i do want to say folks if you sent in a super chat that just calls javad jafed like that's not very meaningful we're looking for meaningful questions as well as if you say you know blah blah you know and daniel is x yz dan fad or whatever mr uptight says uh javad made daniel's wife's name public if his argument is that she's part of the organization and therefore fair game he should show where he herself made it public would javad be okay with his wife's name being shared publicly if she was a part of the organization and promoted on the youtube channel she's literally a youtube host she promotes hit her uh she actually is the one that he uses to justify his misogyny and they propagate this conservative fundamentalist form of islam on women hate women hating interpretation that is justified by her so she's key and pardon part she could have been in this debate in fact you should actually bring her in this debate she sits next to you on the youtube if she had nothing to do with your youtube that wouldn't be i wouldn't mention that at all but she's literally on your youtube so why don't you bring her in why don't you bring her in and talk about like you do that anyways and she uses her to justify these kind of misogynistic red pill ideology you need to do that right so uh this is just uh this is just a tactic because he lost the debate he lost the previous debates and so he's desperately trying to salvage things now and i'm just trying to show the cognitive dissonance of they live one way they literally preach that don't go to school for education and yet oh she's harvard educated and they advertise that that she's harvard educated and they monetize that that's the hypocrisy this one from tarantula uh mr james your thoughts on islam from these debates well tonight's wasn't really on islam so i don't it's hard to uh i mean there were some things we're still talking in islam but this one from uh so long story short tonight it was hard to there's just only indirectly related this one from dr amar muslim thea says daniel a woman who had accused melana salim of molesting her melana salim pled guilty three more women said they were molested you supported melana salim though do you now apologize to the women he did dox my wife because my organization does not have my wife's name on the website or on any documents he's dox my work on youtube she's a public figure on youtube i'm a public figure too does that mean you can go through my legal name and my record that's doxing that's the definition of doxing why would that you said her legal name you dox this is not for you to respond to this is just a point to responding to your previous claim when i was muted by james so then as for the question molana salim yeah anyone can claim to be molested you know this is the grift of feminism and we saw so many false accusations throughout the past you know six years seven years with this me too frenzy many proven false accusations so if you are a figure of prominence within a community you become a target for false accusations so if someone falsely accused uh or someone accuses jeffet of raping them or molesting them maybe like in the er then would we just believe that jeffet has molested a two-year-old three-year-old would we would we would we accept that that jeffet has been raping babies in the er no we would say where is the evidence that's how we would approach it um so i don't accept her name wasn't claimed that's literally on the harvard crimson website it's literally on the harvard crimson website that you can have multiple all right i hate to do this you guys but i just we just got so many questions dr omar we got that one oh that actually is the second one dr omar muslim pia says you daniel have been accused of supporting al-qaeda supporters in this debate do you now condemn those individuals yes or no before you qualify if your answer if you want to qualify give you a chance respond whether or not you still support uh they say i have condemned al-qaeda i've condemned isis these individuals are being smeared as al-qaeda supporters show the evidence jeffet didn't show any evidence he just made claims he just cited these youtube smear mongers they call me an isis support he jeffet calls me an isis supporter so this is a when i've clearly condemned isis so this is the smearing this one from chocolate wall uh says ferris to rin mpax dc director was literally seeking a job with homeland security later he took a job with the org that formed cv e javad i think that they're trying to insinuate that you're a fed am i right yeah again it's by association and affiliation right so six steps so i need to be responsible for everything that impact did ever since the start of its of it being an organization and meanwhile daniel has no responsibility for the things that he accuses his own organization later once he's fired and going against them for his own grift this is a double standard the events happened while you were there at yakin meanwhile i was nowhere near impact when those things happen all right so this is a big double standard now as far as them being involved in i already told you they were involved in cv e to say that let's get rid of those aspects that are bad now you can disagree with that but it's not policing surveilling and all that kind of stuff that daniel so he's a smear monger and liar so it's a respond just respond to him calling there's no reason he doesn't need to respond yes i do there's no response to that the response is that i have no response when i found out that yakin is practicing something unethical and distorting yourself i criticize there you are not criticizing impact you're defending impact that's the difference so what kind of analogy are you making i've been principled i said that i disagree with certain things they've done so i mean you agree with my i'm not a scumbag like you and go you agree with my critique about impact so you agree with my critique of impact i do not know at all no okay then what do you condemn about them what do you think about empire i already okay what what do you know so now let me speak you're keep interrupting yeah so like and unlike you who goes ballistic on yakin going from one year saying umar suliman is a great scholar unrivaled he's in a tough position i never said that you're oh i have the quote i said he's unrivaled he's unrivaled you you have this he's unrivaled where did i say he's unrivaled you know yeah okay okay so you must move on from your thumb yeah no you said that he is oh actually let's yeah i address oh you want that let's yeah i said i praised him i praised the man let's get the exact quote big gotcha i praised someone and then i found out other information about the person and actions that he committed after i was it after i made that statement and i clarified how is this a gotcha so stupid jimbo jimbo says okay they say uh javad is the clinton-backed globalist daniel is the kroyper who represents and lifts up the neglected abandoned white muslims is this person trolling is this serious yeah i'm not a racist i am i'm white muslims bosnian muslims turkish muslims japanese muslims indian muslims african muslims you've been muslims i think it was i love all of them i love all of them go ahead javad i think that they were attempting to target you so i'll give you a chance to respond so daniel yeah that's his white nationalist buddies who are signaling that they understand his white nationalism he goes with on a white nationalist has his friendly chat repeats that i love white people that's the time to say i love black people when you're against a white nationalist person that's the time not to reinforce that black people are more criminal or more violent or that they need religion more than white people these are the things that you said i think that they were attacking the super chat was a go targeting you i want to go to the next one um what one was it where are we oh abdull halim says daniel is it true that the reason you always wear thawb am i saying it right is because your stones are too big for your pants is it there are they insane okay hitchens boot says uh james daniel says youtube took down your live chat except his stream also had javad's slides with kids in them and yet his live chat didn't get taken down actually i want to be as objective and fair as i can about this i know that seems like a knock down argument but it isn't actually um we don't know who did it and so i don't want to indict daniel's audience like i said uh most of them have been supportive most of the folks at daniel's channel have been supportive there are some critics but we have critics at our own channel too uh the reason that this isn't a knock down argument though is i thought about this as we were going sometimes youtube will censor one channel's video even though the exact same video is on another channel and it doesn't get censored so it could be in other words it might you might be thinking like oh if it was youtube then they would have taken down daniel's live chat too well not necessarily because actually it's happened before where uh youtube demonetized one of daniel's debates that he livestreamed for modern day debate but they didn't demonetize modern day debate so it's just want to be clear and uh not indict anybody uh when we don't know the answer valorante says package dr javad and brother daniel and send them to mars i'm just kidding good heat gentlemen kudos to you both sacrificing your mental health for us it's not easy islam left the chat i don't know what that means dr amar muslim thea says daniel was joseph and uncle tom should probably not say the word uncle tom on stream either says was joseph and uncle t working for the king of egypt yes or no was esther a sellout for working for persian empire to help save jewish people yes or no we'll give you a chance to respond daniel working for the government doesn't make you an uncle tom when you work for a corrupt government like the u.s. government that's actively involved with killing muslims surveilling muslims and trapping muslims involved with colonialism involved with oppressing muslim involved with literal genocide and cultural genocide that's what makes what makes you an uncle t or a native informant like jeffet and so this is a really moronic point just working for my claim was never that if you work for the government there's can be a pious government an islamic government or even a non muslim government that is still just that's also possible and muslims can work for a just government there's no contradiction in any in my point against colonial uncle t's this one coming in from let me see here i've got a little glitch on my hello ronty says just javad is not a liar disagree with his stances but he is consistent this one coming in from sahid lip lefam says people keep sending superchats that javad should recite ayat al kursi for this to be covered in the q and a i don't know what this means this one from abdul haleem so uh james i i need to respond to what you said last because that the if your government is corrupt so corrupt that you can't work for that government to stop its politics so if a government is corrupted oppressing your muslims just like ester example that he that person literally gave you that's a reason to work with them and try to stop that harm and that's exactly what impact has done now if you think that that's not possible then you should stop paying taxes to that government and leave go to afghanistan keep your word and leave the country you can't have it both ways either you stay here and pay taxes and then you should have a say in how to use those taxes and prevent harm from your american muslim community in which case you need representation in the government if not leave you just sit isolated with no responsibility no accountability in texas in your you know basement and stay whatever you want and harm whatever whoever you want because you're getting paid by these you know maybe you're an agent provocateur who knows but you're at least paying getting paid by your grift and if you're not here so you have no disagreement with us if you have a disagreement for the with the u.s. government you have to move so you have no disagreements with the u.s. government you're paying taxes so why don't you move from the u.s. because you're in the u.s. and paying taxes because i vote because i agree with everything with the government do you believe in voting do you believe in voting i don't vote for so you don't vote one day versus another you believe it so do you believe in many people don't vote many people don't you don't you don't believe Believe it you believe it's her on to vote. There's a laugh on that issue. Okay, so you don't vote You just say here's my taxpayer money Javad you agree with everything that the US government does right otherwise you should know because I can actively work against it I can speak against it. Well, you let me my government Yeah, because I can still use my voice as an academic and I can use my voice too. I have a website I use my voice to advocate for then just I would you will be opposed to voting? I advocate for just I try the influence No, you don't the US society. No, I'm advocating for justice. Yeah, just like you advocate with voting I advocate with my website with my active. Why don't you do that in Afghanistan? You don't need internet Why don't you why don't you why don't you why don't you your activism? Why don't you do your activism from overseas? US government Because I can actively work with the government. I can yeah, I know I know you actively work for the feds. We know that Again, let's go to the next one. Do you appreciate it? You're a smear merchant from need to do this gentlemen How much more does this javad is a clinton backed? Okay, you got that It'd be nice if I could move to the u.s to afghanistan without the u.s bombing it like no Impact thereby. They thought that's what would happen. It'd be great arrest Hold on one zero zero one says ask them both to recite surah on nas Jihad, do you feel like doing this? Yeah, go ahead javad I don't will I'll do we're gonna go to the next one random. Go ahead You don't think you know, sir. That's right. You know, sir. That's right. Do you really think that I don't know When I need yeah, I think you don't know I lead hook but I need the prayer Nothing personal, but uh chocolate walla says jeffed keeps labbing. Okay, you got that Famo says javad We got like basically all of the same over and over Dr. Amar Muslim Thea says Daniel is a liar period according to the Quran liars will go to hell Worst form of lying is slander Which Daniel does according to all supporters of liars like Daniel hurt their afterlife Daniel will give you a chance to respond Yeah, go watch the latest video on my channel with soheb web. He was also one of these Liberals who accused me of lying about him and I showed the receipts and he had to run away So jeffed at least has the testicular this one this one from chocolate walla says jeffed you Said empac was funded only by muslim donors, but one of the biggest owners was the tides foundation They push homosexual behavior in the middle east. What about profit lots da wa? Give you a chance to respond I never said that they are only funded by muslims I said they're not funded by the federal government and my position specifically was funded by muslim donors That's what I said. So Daniel made the lie that I was funded He this is he this is why he's dishonest He could just say I was wrong and I lied and you're fed for other reasons He could say that but he's not honest enough for that So his claim was that you are funded directly by homeland security. That is false You said that empac is paid by homeland security. That's where your salary comes from that is false So as far as the tides foundation. Yes, they support things Over there, but that doesn't mean that empac is supporting those things Okay, just like daniel has okay with ally ship with white nationalists He literally says that we should ally with you on what we agree on Similarly, you can ally with people on the left This is unfortunate that daniel has shifted the entire discourse by his Troll-like behavior and pushing everybody in the other direction. Okay, he himself He himself insults You literally have a pig you literally have a pig that you're showing a cry about it and then we'll go to the next one Yeah, so this again is a Misrepresentation of my claim my claim is that I have the quote that empac benefits financially from Its connections to the federal government That's because of its legitimacy that it gains from being affiliated with the federal government with having a president That's literally taking selfies with Presidents and presidential candidates so it benefits financially from the government And it's involved it has been involved as you have admitted With get applying for grants and getting grants from the government specifically for policing the muslim community So that's all my claim was it's backed by such a one They literally oppose police all around they work with the government to oppose policing. You read versus of the foran you're radical You have to be um all around a naturalized. That's false. They didn't even say they saw the screenshots. They saw the articles Yeah, this one. They say dear dr Javad, this is el orante since they will run with this plot. I'm asking if you could please recruit I'm asking to hear karan forget about daniel um Okay, it looks like javad shaking his head. No this one from richard. No Folks, if you say anything like ethnics lures in the live chat, you know, you're gonna get banned So don't say anything like that One zero zero one zero to both is slander haram. It's columny haram I would guess both of you would say yes Okay fair this one from m shake says javad knows, uh Might know a yacht. I'll curse II but he cannot recite. Okay Same thing we've heard This one from famous says javad. How did you feel sitting there? In your room Let's see Well, they said what does it matter to you what daniel's wife does? I think this is covered earlier in the debate javad if you want to respond You can really quick because we may have to wrap up soon So Okay, uh, you know what just so we end this kind of nonsense About recite a verse. I mean I could do that the the thing is that they are going to like hyper fixate on every little, uh, you know Inflection point and that's what they want to do. This is part of the game when they can't figure out an argument Traditionalists will say oh look he can't recite the Quran in this specific way or not So look, uh, surah. I had to of course he is in surah al-bakara. So I don't have that memorized Okay, it's the longest surah in the Quran But uh, you know as far as making the Quran a toy. I mean you asked me to recite Uh, you know surah al-nas. I mean I could do that But they're gonna just hyper fixate on my pronunciation and you know, but we can do that. Okay I would have been a shaytani regime. Bismillahirrahmanirrahim So We could keep going on and on. I don't have the best pronunciation I didn't want to pronounce it because it do that because of that reason, but I speak Arabic. I speak it with an accent I mostly focus on reading Arabic. I have better Arabic than Daniel. He might have better pronunciation than me as far as I know It's not a toy. I hate to do this, but this one from dr. Omar Muslim theist says Got that one Jan says for Daniel. What do mac? What do med collies? do to boots Please tell me I didn't just read something inappropriate This one from Muhammad s You want to respond Daniel? Give me a quick response. They lick them Okay This one from Muhammad s I didn't see a question. Let me know if you have one. Alexander says daniel You let your wife go to the store alone Yeah, that's that's a lot. That's permissible Alexander says dan admits his wife only wears macabre sometimes Yeah, when she's sitting in a family gathering. Yeah, she doesn't wear it with relatives. That's true We look with our kids Eleurante says daniel makes money out of muslim audience. That's just a fact. I hope he does well. What can I say? Mahum, yeah, like every anyone who is involved with Activism they need funding every organization Release your financial records. Yeah, so we have release your financial records Yeah, so we can't do that. Why because we'll get doxed Well, our children like the ms team doesn't want their children. Yeah on you your wife put her own picture All for everybody to see You know, you lie about that games even admitted that it was a public Look at this photo and I Yeah, I can come I can find people can find pictures of your family private photos of your family members and then post them publicly They're public photos because of You haven't made them private on facebook and then some loser like you find them and post them. I didn't show I didn't show anyone. We can do that. He couldn't do that. I don't want anyone to do this It's my family. I don't want it's my family on my youtube. I don't want my organization I don't want and we're talking about people you're talking about anyone. Okay Next question. My mood says great job, james. I side with Daniel These liberal muslims want to whitewash Islam to appeal to westerners Unlike him who preaches true Islam Uh, do you want to quick pithy response javad? Do you feel compelled? Do you need one? Okay, really quick and short and pithy What was the exact point they said? I mean They're just saying that you're trying to water down muslim Islam to make it more appealing to westerners You know that is not the point of the debate today. Even if you don't like my religious views That's irrelevant. The point is that you can be a Deviant and even be a sincere deviant So even if you take me as the worst deviant that ever lived at least i'm not a serial liar and smear merchant And so Daniel All right. Khaled das says you both have decent talking points, but for the love of goodness both your arabic pronunciations Are horrible. Wow So, uh, uptight say let's say arabic pronunciation is not a sign of the truth What is is actually understanding the arabic and and being able to read the classical sources Which i assure you i can do better than daniel Al or alexander says daniel. Why do you have a haram pig toy? Is this true? Is this haram daniel? No stuffed animals for little children or not haram. There might be actually laugh on that He literally probably bought it for this debate. He bought it for this debate. No Yeah, you did it fits you. It fits you, right? You bought it for the debate. It's funny, right? James You debated it gets you you debated it, right? You bought it right up for the debate, right? What if i did like what is the what does that prove? Yeah, because it shows you're a childish little kid. That's what it shows. All right, come on Al arante says in joe rogan's voice and then All heck broke loose manim says javad the word is illah. What is the fourth word? I'm not doing this, uh, joking. This this, uh, we're making the Quran into a joke I I haven't memorized surah two. It's the largest Yeah, you're the joke daniel. You're the one children. You're like my three My five-year-old has memorized it as ease. Okay says suicide bombing is haram prohibited some iqwanis al-qaeda ices Hezbollah and some she has support this deviant innovative practice I completely reject suicide bombing and terrorism We have an article on muslimskeptic.com titled is jihad the same as terrorism Undoing two decades of anti muslim war propaganda. It makes our position very clear We condemn all terrorism in all its forms and terror groups like ISIS and al-qaeda Do you do do you condemn this is not your name for you? Do you do condemn show me that show me that he for suicide bombing Show me that he encourages attacking civilians. Show me that prove that. Well, okay, so you're okay with suicide bombing otherwise If you're okay with suicide bombing. No, I just said I rejected it. I just said we condemn it But if you can prove that sheikh al-alwan prove that he says yes, you can attack civilians I'll say I condemn sheikh al-alwan. How about that? Is that a deal? All right. Okay. How about this? How about if I can prove to you that they use a sheikh that use are connected to For saying that you can kill shea as a lame laypersons because they're unbelievers. Is that something you're gonna condemn that? Okay, so then why don't you condemn the people? Why don't you consider? I don't consider Yeah, why don't you condemn the people but why don't you can I don't support any terrorism? So again, so anyone yeah, you can say that but you literally support the sheikhs that al-qaeda and No, I say what she is. I just told you Sheikh al-alwan is cited by Zarkawi. Show me show me where he yeah, you can cite anyone a terrorist can cite anyone That doesn't mean that that sheikh supports terrorism show me where sheikh al-alwan supports terrorism. You can't answer that Literally show me where he says I'm telling you right now. I'm literally telling you I'm literally telling you right now He says Zarkawi says there are scholars who have spoken of lay sheas as unbelievers like And then dot dot dot sheikh Suleiman al-alwan Oh, yeah, there are there are many scholars that who consider she had to be non-believers. Yeah, and he's using this that's not terrorism He's using that Zarkawi is using that to kill sheas. That's literally the point That's not on sheikh al-alwan. That's not yes. It is if you are No, you use there are many there are many you support there are many you yasir Ilhan Omar when Ilhan Omar somebody supports Ilhan Omar you suddenly say that you can't cite Ilhan Omar Supportively, otherwise you're incriminated in all her lgbtq stuff, right? You said this about sheikh yasir kadi You said this about Omar Suleiman that if they cite if they speak approvingly of Ilhan Omar Then they're condemned for that because of their lgbtq views So why is it the fact that here when it comes to extremists who are used to justify killing sheas? How come then the same logic does not apply Daniel you're bungling the logic if it was if it was In your analogy Sheikh al-alwan is like Ilhan Omar. It's the opposite the problematic person is the one Zarkawi that you're saying is justifying killing shea. He's problematic. Sheikh al-alwan is not Saying kill shea Way too much. I hate to do this guys We could go on any topic forever famous as javad your opening statement was Only personal attacks against Daniel. Is that because you're mad? Give you a chance to respond Yes, it was definitely a very personal Debate that we had because Daniel attacks everyone personally. I didn't even want to have this debate I just wanted to have the intellectual debate that we had last time And if you compare my mannerisms in the last time, I never went personal last time He's the one who continuously used name calling and insulting and childish behavior and this time, you know I decided to reciprocate and act like him Whether that's good or bad we'll find out but uh, you know, the reality is is that uh, we're exposing him for the grifter that he is He's talking about al-alwan night. He's a his student is a 9-11 hijacker He's his brother-in-law to the leader of al-qaeda. None of this stuff is like relevant to Daniel But it's like if you're associated with anyone that's even close to lgbtq Oh my god, you know, stay away This one different standards for Daniel Josh says Daniel, you exude a very feminine energy Mark manly challenge you to a fight. Are you going to take it up? Or do you think burning calories is a rom? Give you a chance to respond Who I don't mark manly I mean Pig and telling me it's personal give me a break They say they call me a supporter of rape and pederasty. You are but those are your views. Oh, yeah, so that's not those are your views I don't support rape and pederasty. You lie. You do justify. I don't You literally were debating with read. Yeah, so it's not personal. It's not personal Right. It's not personal. You can accuse me of being supporter of rape and pederasty. That's not a rape. Apologize by your views Are you a rape? Apologize and you're a you say a point. I'm quick. Yeah, but you can't Oink oink. Thank you very much. Yes. This is what the debate is devolved to this This is what they say Leranti says Robert Spencer is actually azamat from borat Okay Zane Kazi says question for daniel omar sulim man Released a video being very clear against lgbt. Have you addressed this recent video? If not why Yeah, I haven't addressed it because I've been busy handling the trash taking out the trash But um, I will address it actually so stay tuned for that. It's a great advertisement response to omar sulim man That's coming very soon Probably within a week or so and inshallah this one from quote that brush behind daniel Like you named your youtube account after daniel. Uh, they say javad's Gay bar example is weird. Okay. Thank you. But this one Just for the record. No one is at a gay bar. Alexander says why do you have a pig toy? Not very islamic of you. I think you already responded to that This one from Leranti says giga daniel by See random commenter says daniel Times nick he represents neglected white muslims Um, what is this about you and nick? Nick Fuentes Oh, what about it? What about I say daniel? I criticized him. I slammed him Maybe like a debate I'll debate him Leranti says daniel bro. Please give me give me My simp certificate in person. I am physical therapist in sambo sleep specialist from former soviet union What does that mean? So I had fascia to in says for javad Uh, why don't you grow a beard? Is that a islam thing? Yep, really? I didn't know that I'll give you a real muslim javad Uh, I've just unmuted you So I don't believe that uh growing a beard is about your tells you about how virtuous you are We believe in following the prophet when it comes to his virtue That's what the quran when it talks about him being an exemplar the very next verse is talking about his bravery And his patience and his steadfastness. So that's what we believe So for me following the example of the prophet muhammad means that I don't support brutal and nasty things like, uh, you know sex slavery rape Conquest child marriage these kind of things Now the prophet had concubines the prophet I we already had this debate. We already had Yeah, you lost the bungle that one too Talk about my kids talk about my wife. Oh, yeah, I just keep bringing it back. I even though they were they were completely Hold on. They say for javad you denounced agua aga san who is well known stooge of british This is This is again, they try to smear me like his um, his camp try to smear me sometimes I think i'm ahmadi sometimes they think i'm ismaili sometimes they think This is how hindu fine. This is this is how that fundamentalist brain thinks But the reality is is that I believe in loving people of all different religions and I don't fear them like daniel does and uh, you know Even fellow muslims, um, so no i'm not going to be here and be your stooge and condemn anyone or anything as far as aghan The third I mean, yeah, they obviously they would be Loyalist to the british based on the fact that people like daniel would want to kill is my least he justified genocide ethnic cleansing Again, I have the tweet dang it. Where did I where did I okay? I have so so let me get the tweet for you These are your lines. That's where I say I justify genocide show that plausible the liability always for daniel What did you mean when you said bungee jumping of kids can you why don't you say When you why don't you why can't you put uh, send salawat to the prophet Can you pronounce it? Can you pronounce praise on the prophet? I'm not daniel. I'm because I believe that I believe that respect. Yeah, you believe the pop. You literally Oh, wow gibre chua ga too says to both What's the meaning of salat in the Quran? Which is the root word? Uh, go ahead javad first So while daniel pronounces sallallahu alaihi wasallam He simultaneously uses christian early accounts that that he is an war lord and this uh Those also said that he was a demon possessed and he's using those sources to know about the prophet I on the other hand respect the prophet and try to clear his good name from the Filth that daniel and his kind attribute to the prophet and so that's the reality So I don't consider the prophet to be a war lord like daniel does this one from Oh daniel, did you want to respond to that? Wait, what was the question? A root word for salat in the Quran. What's the meaning of salat? It's a connection sallallahu This one from corvo adam says question for javad. You led Cutba, but didn't memorize ayat al-kursi Um, we've already been over that Abu Abdullah says javad. Masha Allah javad your recitation moved me The being sincere This one He impressed me. I was impressed. I didn't think he knew the three I was impressed. This is a lot. This is a lie. You are a real scholar Oh, you what are your what are your traditional your side of the three javad? Give me your javad. It's amazing. I was no no. So I was really impressed. I'm not I'm not a sarcastic I'm not gonna do you guys just talk at the same time. Hold on. I'm sorry, but Truth speaker says daniel. Is there any action of the u.s. Government that would be egregious enough for you to do? hijra Are you relying on them for protection from them? Go ahead daniel. Are you going to do some hijra soon hijra means to emigrate out of the country so Yeah, if the u.s. Government banned education of children like homeschooling and being able to control education, then I would personally try to do hijra and I would recommend that other muslims in the country do hijra The problem is that the u.s. Bombs countries that don't impose its liberal Ideology like that's the problem with moving to a country like afghanistan or even You know countries in africa because the u.s. Is constantly attacking and boycotting or Imposing sanctions on countries that actually Implement islamic law. That's the problem Um, the rest of these super chats look, uh, there's one positive one totolino said thanks for the debate Have a good night all credit to the speakers They are the lifeblood of the channel. They're linked in the description You can certainly hear more from them. Thanks for your positivity totolino The rest of them are basically just people calling both of you bad names So not very productive to read. We're going to go into the next section, which is 15 we got that one 10 minute closing. So 10 or five It's 10 is what I have so Unless there's something an email that's different. That's what I've got here So what we're going to do is first let me just fix my screen And then I'm going to hand it over to javad went first. So we're going to have him go first for the closings Javad, I've got the timer set for you. The floor is all yours Okay, just one second please All right, um, I'm ready to begin if you're ready ready and if I could get a, uh Two minute or one minute warning, please. Thank you. All right. I'm going to begin now. All right. Thank you so much Let's recap how this dialectic began I have been challenging dishonest dan for a long time to debate on the topic of islamic modernism Which is the very thing he rails against all the time In fact, his fraud of a book is literally called the modernist menace dishonest dan knew what would happen if we debated that topic And we all saw what happened in the last debate Where he revealed that he almost had no knowledge of islamic studies because daniel did not want to debate me on An intellectual level since this would be bad for his grift business He then instead chose a standard method of ad hominem attacks smearing me as a quote unquote fed His exact accusation as articulated again in our debate two weeks ago was and I quote You are on the payroll of an organization that is getting funding directly from the department of homeland security Unquote this is a demonstrably false lie and slam slander, which I could actually sue him for I work for impact for less than a year during which time impact received zero dollars in federal funding And a grand total of zero dollars from the department of homeland security If dishonest dan was an honest man, he would retract and apologize and say i'll attack you from another angle But he won't do that because he is after all dishonest dan He can never admit that he was wrong or false or lying The irony is that dishonest dan uses cve attack against me even though the impact controversy with regard to cve Took place several years ago before I joined impact and had nothing to do with me Not only this but dishonest dan himself accused yakin institute of being involved At least in some way with cve officials and implicated with intelligence services He uses 2017 posts from omer salamon to claims this but daniel dishonest dan You yourself were a part of yakin at that time and so you said nothing at that time against any of this So wouldn't this make you a fed by your own logic? The level of hypocrisies and double standards abounds in the case of dishonest dan Who was a serial liar and professional grifter dishonest dan mocked me for supposedly getting fired from empac as research director I wasn't fired. I resigned and resigned amicably. Meanwhile, dishonest dan was fired from yakin and became a disgruntled employee afterward He was fired from the exact same role as research director But this doesn't stop dishonest dan about launching an accusation against me where he's vulnerable to counter attack That's dishonest dan through and through dishonest dan's grift means a shift to the far right That's after he got fired from yakin He started attacking yakin on the very things that he was promoting just a day before And he has recently gone postal against muslim leaders for their navigating differences paper on the lgbtq issue Yet dishonest dan himself published the first draft of navigating differences in 2019 Which honestly was more mild towards the lgbtq issue than the navigating differences paper Everything he criticizes and navigating differences is his own 2019 paper dishonest dan and a grifter That's what he is dishonest dan criticizes muslims for allying with people on the left yet dishonest dan Himself seeks allyship with white nationalist and red pill misogynists He has friendly conversations with them and then for plausible deniability He calls them debates even though they all say we had a great conversation It really wasn't a debate and we have all this common ground dishonest dan accuses other muslims of being bootlickers But dishonest dan is himself a bootlicker just a bootlicker of white nationalists remember his words that he would repeat to them I love white people. Please accept me as white dishonest dan's desperate attempt at validation from the white nationalist and alt right Is sad pathetic and embarrassing dishonest dan accuses immus alaman and other muslims of this or that Simply because someone is standing next to them in a picture or video He even comically criticizes them for two white grins or kneeling How about kneeling to white supremacists like dishonest dan does or about his multiple associations with islamic extremists He wants to distance himself from them But then why doesn't he just repudiate these individuals and offer an apology? But like the true trumpian character He is he can't ever apologize or retract dishonest dan should repudiate hythems say fideen Al alwan the al-qaeda mufti Ahmad musa gibriel and all of these other figures that he sent that are sympathetic towards islamic extremism Extremism al qaeda and isis dishonest dan will now cry and play victim that you're putting his life And livelihood at risk by pointing out these links Don't you think that it is the links themselves that threaten all of this your own stated extremist views? And how about all the people that you put in danger dishonest dan? I've heard that you after um, uh, you attacked omer suliman. He now needs a security detail And you have called me a fed And literally you put my life in danger by the things that you say and your followers call me a kafir is in Deek and say that I need to be killed After all most of the abulates house was attacked by your kind of aphrite bros and I was mentioned in the same video So what about you putting my life at risk? But you just like to play victim all the time and it's you who actually accused Muslims of being feds and you've also called the cops on sherman bergus for not committing a crime He was an extremist just like you are an extremist But you were snitched on him dishonest dan accuses me of being a fed for simply cracking a joke or calling him Isis light whereas dishonest dan literally said to call the cops on shermon bergus a far-right convert as we've said This is the dishonest dan. He's inconsistent. Meanwhile, I have said that daniel is an extremist But his speech is protected I was even against his twitter ban let alone calling the cops on him And there's the receipts that I've shown on that dishonest dan You go into the finances of other orgs, but you refuse to release the finances of your own For-profit business and you come up with meek excuses for that dishonest dan You praise the taliban and yet refuse to move there instead live in the comfort of your own home In texas with your rich family. Why is that dishonest dan? Your entire family is highly educated with all the women in your family being educated and are working Including your own wife who is a part of your organization and a spokesman for you on your youtube channel Now you're trying to hide behind her and claim that she has nothing to do with your organization You literally have her on on your youtube. Why do you then preach that women should not receive a college education? You demean college education for women yet You tout your wife's education and use it as marketing for your school to make money dishonest dan You make fun of men whose women work yet your wife works and runs your institute dishonest dan you blur out the face of muslim hijabis in your channel Your own wife was part of your organization and griff does not wear nikab and has a public profile on instagram without nikab The one that i showed but i'm the one who blurred it You are the one who did not blur it your wife did not at least and maybe you didn't know about that Why does your wife cosplay on your youtube channel dishonest dan? You mock halil andani for being a glorified ta at augustana when you yourself have admitted that you tried to go To become a professor, but you were a failure in the graduate school tenure track You were not able to go that route at all. So why are you lying and trying to downplay the achievement of halil andani? Why do you lie all the time? Were you lying then or are you lying now and if andani is a glorified ta What is your wife who's a senior instructor at your made-up institute dishonest dan? You've said to me numerous times that i'm a known ain't nobody But to your own audience however you say that i'm a harvard academic and academics are getting more influential And that's important to refute such people as me. So which one is it? You're a liar That's what it is you speak with both sides of your mouth You claim that harvard means nothing and you have even made fun of me for mentioning harvard a lot In fact, it's you who flaunts harvard undergrad repeatedly You're the only one i know who puts it on their book cover You and your wife flaunt it and make that as part of your marketing strategy You accuse me of deforming islam fine. I'm a reformist. I admit that but meanwhile you destroy traditionalist islam more than anyone else You make islamic traditionalism look barbaric and you attack all the traditional scholars as a lay person with no hijazas Something that is simply not allowed in traditionalism. You're not a traditionalist. You're a post-modernist You're against hijabi women posing clothes in playboy magazine, which i disagree with too But you simultaneously consider sex slaves posing virtually naked in slave markets as part of family values Which is worse than posing clothes posing clothes in a magazine overall Overall, you are a grifter of the worst kind as imamsuhab website about you quote You are completely unaccomplished intellectually and islamically all you have done is your social media following Which you have obtained through your extreme grift and selling out the muslim community You're nothing but a content creator meme maker and a non-serious failure in life You had a promising beginning at harvard, but it's been downhill ever since you couldn't get into even harvard's Philosophy master's program worked at a minimum wage job And then you were desperate to get that job at yakin after you got fired You've been angry ever since you scrambled to make money and now you're engaging all of this grift taking us for a ride I repeat the charges against you. You stand here accused of being an agent provocateur spreading the worst stereotypes of about islam You're an insincere grifter an extremist a racist a hypocrite a conspiracy theory kook a smear merchant and serial liar And nobody should take you seriously You are now found guilty and the punishment we deem worthy is complete cancellation by the muslim community This means that nobody should be allowed to platform you again Anyone who does so will also be cancelled anyone and anyone who did it in the past must now issue a condemnation of you And or also risk cancellation. I am of course not a mainstream traditional. So maybe my words will go in vain That's fine I'm happy with my position as an academic and liberal islamic intellectual pushing the boundaries of islamic thought But the reality is that it's unfortunately some mainstream traditionalist organizations that supported you and platformed you And created the frankensine monster that is daniel haki kachu today And they must reverse the damage and take the steps that i've laid out complete cancellation and repudiation As far as impact although i no longer work for this organization I'll always be a proud supporter unlike dishonest dan who works as an agent provocateur to reinforce the worst possible image of islam Impact works to increase positive muslim representation in the media in hollywood and at all all levels of the government Those in such delicate situations must engage in the difficult balancing act that dishonest dan himself Admitted to many years ago when he was speaking about imam umar suliman in such difficult positions Sometimes you get it right and sometimes you get it wrong impact may have made mistakes in the past Imam su hey web may have made mistakes in the past imam umar suliman may have made mistakes in the past But all of them have done immense good for our american muslim community And you have done nothing for the american muslim community except divide them and spread fitna You have favored grift and self-enrichment over service and community You are a failure in this life and you threaten to be a failure in the next life unless you cease and desist From this destructive path you have chosen to take i sentence you now to cancellation May god have mercy on your soul because we do not We'll jump over to daniel for his opening statement or closing statement Long day. Thanks very much daniel. The floor is all yours Oh, yeah Go ahead. Can you hear me? I thought you were muted. Go ahead. Yeah So javad claims that he's getting death threats every public figure gets death threats That's part of being a public figure the difference with javad is that he Uses terms that gets you in trouble with the federal government. This is this is fed behavior He's done it in both of our debates And that that's the difference every public figure gets death threats. So what? But you invoke language and this is your plausible deniability you you say Oh, I don't want you to be attacked by the government yet You use the triggering red flag language to smear someone as a supporter of terrorism as you've done in this debate This is exactly what cve is about you've demonstrated the worst aspects of cve in this debate Like this is embarrassing and quite shocking behavior from you Um, you know you're it's true, you know when it comes to critical race theory I don't accept critical race theory, but that doesn't make me a white supremacist This is a bizarre accusation from someone who is literally promoting a white supremacist sir Say it Ahmed Khan you literally praise him and you say yeah, he has some white supremacist views But I think he's being judged too harshly like that's your perspective on a Uncle t native of informant colonizer Um, you know, you did dox my family. I think that's the biggest news about this debate You showed pictures of my children You use my wife's name, which is not public on our site You claim that oh well, there's articles that have her name But how do you know like if that's my wife or not my current wife? You don't know that This is this is what doxing means. So you've doxed my wife's name You have posted pictures of my children and anyway, what kind of scumbag even if my wife is involved with my organization What kind of scumbag like just focuses so much of his talking points on my wife Like this is a really bad look. It's Disgusting. I'm shocked that you would take this path. It's like, you know, you talk about suicide bombing You basically torpedoed your own career for the purpose of saying my wife's name and showing her picture Like this is so stupid. I hope Khalil didn't encourage you to do this because if he did he's really your enemy And Khalil by the way man up and debate me stop running Okay, it's interesting Javad couldn't confirm that you're a muslim Because you don't pray you think it's permissible to drink alcohol Yeah, you consider someone who who doesn't accept the daily prayers who who thinks that it's fine to eat during ramadan Hey, don't interrupt my opening statement. Come on james He doesn't believe that you need to pray or fast or do hajj. You think he's a muslim So that's very interesting. Why won't Khalil debate me after I took care of his puppy here over two debates My wife does not have an instagram. This is a blatant lie. Have you heard of impersonation? Jafed, have you heard that you can impersonate? There are so many accounts that are impersonating me I really hope no one impersonates you on twitter or on facebook or anywhere else or your family members This is something that is extremely distasteful, but it happens to people. So my wife does not have An instagram you say I'm anti white, but I defend andrew tate. Do you know andrew tate is not a white man He's half black So where's the racism with that? I had a minimum wage job after grad school. Yeah, are you looking down on that? It wasn't minimum wage It was 12 bucks an hour I was in a difficult situation and I worked hard and I got a job in the tech field I worked in the tech field for about eight years Alhamdulillah, it was a great experience over, you know, multiple companies in silicon valley So I have been a professional for a long time. Yeah, you couldn't dox that. Could you jaffed Go go and dox my employment record and you'll see the companies that I work for in silicon valley I work for companies like staples. I work for fortune or I didn't work directly for staples But I worked with them as a client So this is like such a stupid smear with your disgusting arrogant elitism Um, yeah, so you didn't answer the questions I posed to you about impacts pro invasion stance You didn't had no response to that. They're pro Zionism You had no response to that for their pro cve stance. You admitted that okay They were involved with cve, but mistakes were made, but they're not so bad And ultimately it was good that impact was involved with cve because you know, that's they made it better for Muslims This is exactly what every native informant every uncle tom or uncle t claims You're no different than any of these Colonial agents who claim that yeah, we're helping the colonizer because if we weren't helping the colonizer It would actually be worse for Muslims or Muslims who go into the military or mortads I should say who go into the u.s military and go and kill Muslims overseas they can claim Oh, we're just making it better for Muslims because we're not killing as many Muslims As would have been killed otherwise if we weren't part of the u.s military or the cia or any of these kinds of agencies that are killing or oppressing Muslims So this kind of argument is very typical of the native informants and feds or fed affiliates You let's remind everyone that you begged me begged me to delay the debate and james is here He can confirm that you begged me to delay the debate and out of you know my kindness I granted you that and then I found out that you were sharing or you were following There's like multiple accounts that docs me with just two or three or ten followers And you follow every single docs account Okay, that's number one and then you reply to these docs accounts And yeah, you say something like oh don't share pictures of daniel's family But you know that when you reply to an account that will show up on the timeline of your followers You know that and that's what you do because you're such a sleazy scumbag And I don't have to convince the audience because you directly docs my family on on this stream. It's unprecedented There's no debate that james has had where this has happened like you got his stream in trouble Uh because of your irresponsible and unethical behavior your cowardly behavior So this is so you begged me to delay the debate. Oh and then coincidentally you announced that you're leaving impact Just a few days ago. Wow. What an interesting coincidence. Is that because you were canned? Is that because you were fired jeffed? I don't know I don't make a claim that you were fired because I don't have the receipts for that So I'm just speculating as for me. I was not fired from yakin. I can provide the receipts from that I left yakin after They would not allow me to Publish certain views on feminism on lgbt, etc That's why I left yakin, but I was not fired my terminate my employment with them was not terminated I was not fired. Um, and I dare yakin to Say otherwise because I'll bring all the receipts Um, so these are just lies from from you um let's Also, you claim to like have such respect for imams and scholars Like you keep name dropping these american scholars like you hate traditional islam So you should hate all of these scholars So what what is And plus these kinds of figures that you're name dropping like omer suleiman trust me They don't want you to their names in your mouth like that's bad publicity for them um, yeah, so you're Yeah, so you claim that you're so sensitive about your child's health I was showing consideration for your child's health when you asked Oh, my child. It has a fever. Let's delay the debate But then you post pictures of my my children In the debate like that shows what kind of a scumbag You are so yeah, overall this debate. I think Went about as much as I expected you can't recite I had to of course see my five year old like muslims can respond in the chat Like when did you learn ayatul korsi his excuse is oh surat al-baqarah is the longest surah in the quran Yeah, so what it's one verse of the quran that children memorize because you're supposed to recite it as protection Maybe that's why you are failing so much in life jeffet and in this debate because you're not reciting ayatul korsi Here's my recommendation for you first number one say Praise the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam after you mention him This is something that will bring benefit for you. Maybe guidance will come to you and you'll leave your state of apostasy Maybe start reciting ayatul korsi learn it memorize it. This will protect you from evil forces. Yeah Roll your eyes. I know that you don't really believe in the unseen But ayatul korsi is a sort of protection. Yeah chuckle chuckle that makes you look really good Ayatul korsi will protect you so you need to learn that and memorize it say sallallahu alaihi wa sallam sallallahu alaihi wa sallam after the name of the prophet and Yeah, stop being such a sleazebag stop like spreading photos of people's wives and children online Like that's another big advice. I have for you. You've been you're off of you're off of impact So I would have told you to quit impact to you know, save your reputation. You're already out of that organization Mysteriously, I don't know. What's the real story behind that? But yeah impact is such a such a fed organization It's harm to the muslim community has been established just by my opening statement No one had a response to that. So hamdulillah Time with that I want to say thank you very much Gentlemen, it has been something tonight. That's for sure Any uh, oh actually, I don't know just I think we could leave it at that But do want to say thank you very much gentlemen folks We have many more upcoming debates if you haven't yet Hit that subscribe button as we have any more upcoming debates and want to say thanks so much for being with us folks Gentlemen, thank you very much for being with us here tonight as well Thanks, james. Appreciate it. My pleasure Folks stick around i'm going to do like a two minute after show housekeeping stuff In particular about keeping the chat clean from any sort of ethnic slurs as a reminder And want to say though, thanks for your support. I'll be back in just a moment. So about 23 seconds stick around folks And I'll be back in just a moment Ladies and gentlemen thrilled to have you here. Let me just fix looks like the camera is frozen Want to say my dear friends. We appreciate you being here Thanks for all of your support as a reminder. 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