 It's talking baseball's first guest appearance and he is Trevor Ploop you already saw it in the title. Let's go What's going on everybody welcome to talking to baseball my name is John boy, and I'm joined by always With my good pal Jake story alley Jake, how you doing? Doing well Jim winding down. What is it Tuesday your favorite day of the week? Yeah, did some work went to a yogurt class Cooked a cook some animal on the grill Some RIP noodle my dog, but I'm good man I'm I'm excited for the people to hear Ploof master flex our dude Ploofy the Ploofster Ploopy Ploof that's dumb This is our I think it's our you said this when we were interviewing me says our first guest, right? I'm talking base. Yeah, unless you got someone else. I don't know. I can't remember we had a lot I'm talking knocking yanks. Obviously. This is the first time I'm talking baseball So we're excited to bring that to you guys. We're going to winter meetings in three days So hopefully we'll have tons of guests there and do much more interviews in the future We want to do more once we think it's a possibility for us and it's easier Ploof was great. I think he's been doing a lot with us So I'm gonna save everything from the interview with the interview. We talked for an hour We covered the astro scandal we covered his career covered rule changes for the enemy. We talked about a lot of shit It was a good conversation There's so much that has happened Jake in this offseason and last episode of talking baseball We talked about how holy shit things are happening. This is not the same offseason as last season since that episode Which dropped Monday? We're recording this Tuesday night. So much more has already happened We're not gonna discuss it at length on this episode, but I mean you were just throwing it at me We had moustacus the Marlins picked up two infielders There's a lot there was even there's even more that I forget Yeah, I mean the the non-tender deadline is now like an event in baseball People were running the numbers like teams used to be Like they felt honored to have their guys on arbitration They like they needed to have those guys on their team and now teams are like wait I don't know if we could get instead of paying our guy ten million dollars Why don't we get a free agent that we could pay five and So it's it's really interesting. I'm uh, I don't know I think we're both getting juiced up for for winter meetings, but I'm interested to hear what Like some of the real baseball dudes have to say about it because It's kind of bad. It's kind of good Like I feel like a couple players are gonna put themselves in better situations and a couple are gonna get screwed I don't know. It's weird. Yeah, I don't know I texted you today And I was like, I think MLB's or MLB winter meetings are gonna be wild because last year we went and Literally guys that weren't following along with us or following winter meetings closely Nothing happened. Jake and I went for the first time last year. We had a table. We had our mics set up We did some interviews. We had a lot of fun, but as far as baseball moves Nothing happened and they always talk about like it's so crazy people are running around this just dropped this just dropped No, literally the the only breaking news which again, I and I think you and I have been running this through our heads It's like, you know, I bet winter meeting is pretty cool when something breaks Yes, basically everyone starts gossiping about the same thing Yeah, do you want to know the only news that I believe broke while we were at winter meetings last year? I remember. Yeah, the Orioles hired Brandon Hyde. Hell. Yeah And it was it was pretty funny because one of my buddies is a is Orioles reporter and we were talking to him. He's a young dude He was kind of our comfort zone who was legit there and he's like, yeah, the Orioles told me they're not doing anything Really, we were like, maybe the manager. He's like, no, I don't even think that and then they did so we were busting his balls a little bit But yeah, last last winter meeting the story was nothing was happening. That was the story So so we're gonna have another episode before winter meeting. So I feel foolish like saying this because we'll be We're gonna have another Episode three episode week from us because things are happening and I guarantee more happens. So this is Wednesday You're listening to the ploof interview on Friday We'll drop another one and update everything else that has happened And then I was gonna give a whole winter meeting spiel, but I'll give that on the Friday episode Just follow us and all that good stuff. You want to let's just go right into this interview now Do you think one of the semi-big guys falls between now and in Thursday night when we record at this point? See, here's the thing Jake, right? The days before winter meetings and even the first couple days of winter meetings this hair I got what is that? Yeah, you got a you got a wild car hair right now. Oh, no, the hair is already turning on you No, it's just the end of the day Fuck what was I saying? You're saying the days leading up to winter meetings are full of nonsense are full of like they're like like this The latest report this latest report came out that I was like Wheeler says he plans to sign before winter meetings even start Oh, yeah, because leverage much dum-dums like that's not a real report That's someone feeding you something for leverage which that's reporters have to report what they hear But like there's a lot of hogwash that gets sent out these days before winter meetings I'm I'm just interested. I mean everyone's doing their Cole Strasburg meeting I don't think either of them are gonna drop but yeah, people are being really serious about Wheeler Rendon and I don't know some of the Like some some of the back channel stuff We we have heard is that if there's a dude that would sign and doesn't care about when he announces that it's Rendon So I don't know. I'm excited to see but yeah, we'll be covering All the baseball baseball baseball transaction stuff next up has our dude had any good tweets Which you gotta tighten that up that scope for me a little bit Heyman. Oh You're dude He is not that's not my man. Yep. They got one. We got one. Okay new segment. Oh Yes This is a new segment. I'm talking baseball. It's called Get Stupid with John Heyman Okay, here's a John Heyman tweet update Wheeler is White Sox top pitching target No belief they are in on Cole Strasburg and seem less so on Madbomb also Reportedly in on Wheeler the twins the Rangers the Reds Maybe the Blue Jays maybe the Astros The Southsiders could go for two starters also could use a second baseman, so Why does he think why does he think that's a tweetable We're down to six. That's a that one's not one of his more egregious ones There's gonna be a lot better coming on this segment. Oh, there will be that ton dude But like okay, so this update I mean we've got there's there's no mystery team in that the whites the White Sox The Rangers the Reds maybe the Blue Jays maybe the Astros so one two three four five six teams I mean how many teams are in need of top line starting pitchers like Put the Yankees on there and the Angels and you have every team that he could guess Yeah, his his Wheeler one before that. I mean, it's a it's a fairly legit tweet until the end He kills me when he does like open-ended ones He goes White Sox twins Rangers others in like to me. That's more pathetic. Yep. He does it all the time Like you left in that one. He left a full open door. That one. He gave he gave six options, which that's pretty tight for Heyman Others he basically limited to all the MLB teams. Okay, not even he didn't specify Just anyone else Yomi Yuri All right here is our new best friend in the entire world Trevor Ploof But first I'm gonna run all the ads then Trevor We have history today the first guest and talking baseball history and it is Drumroll I tried it didn't really work drum rolls. Don't work well on podcast Trevor Ploof the former First-round pick of your Minnesota twins in 2004 Debuted in 2010 little third base shortstop utility fourth in doubles in 2014 Led the AL in double plays with 28 in 2015 Wow And then I had Grounded into Take back so that's stuff Yeah, so no claps for that and then I had AL errors third base in in 2012 But we don't have to talk about that because there's a little overrated. Yeah, no, I'm asking you to do the intro I told you I was gonna go in Actualizations for both of those you know ground in the double plays means you just hit the ball hard just add somebody exactly Okay, yeah But You just had better range than the average third baseman, that's all I wasn't gonna say that but I don't want to make too many excuses for Myself right off the bat, but no, it's like our Chapman most errors, but he's the best third baseman So you're actually the best that year congrats basically basically Chapman and I are the same player. Yes We're joined by Matt Chapman. Thanks for joining us Matt of the Oakland A's No, dude Trevor. What's up, man? We're we're buddies We're buddies me. Yeah, we got to hang out in LA a little bit get to meet each other and here we are, right? Perfect. You're putting our setups to shame. So we're happy about that That's what I really wanted you to say yeah killer 800 OPS at Yankee Stadium Did you ever play? No, you didn't you only play that the new Yankee Stadium? Yeah, yeah, the new one I've debuted in 2010. So I think the new one was it was oh nine, right? They won the World Series there. Yeah, thank you for reminding us That that's come on now come on that's the rumor on Twitter Yeah, first decade without it. So Jake you have the most notes. I've ever seen you have for an episode here Yeah Yeah, I know I know Jimmy normally he he doesn't like some of this stuff, but It as actually we had our ideal meeting situation. We we linked up with you In the valley outside of LA we had a couple beers And that that's like Jimmy's goal this whole thing like please we could have we could have interviewed some pretty serious people Yeah, but we waited we wanted to link up with you We wanted to get your vibe and you vibed with us and that was awesome I want to start with an apology not for my intro You you met up with me and Jimmy and we had Jimmy's brother Luke formerly intern Luke. We call him now he's producer and Producer Luke said when he came up and he met you He said he stepped on your shoe. He feels and he's so bad about it He keeps talking about a step down a show. I feel terrible. Oh my gosh I honestly do not remember that and luckily for him. I'm not like a sneaker guy. So, okay, okay So so Luke Luke's like kind Luke's kind of a young swagger. So he's like, oh my god. I stepped on his clean shoe So I'm I'm glad Because I would have acted, you know upset with him Another cat's out of the bag. I don't really care. So here's my first question. That's completely just a tangent How many guys in the MLB are like Like brands guys like they need the newest stuff They need the newest hat because like in I played hockey and I was couldn't care less growing up But there's tons of people like need the new stuff our MLB clubhouse is full of guys who don't care because they're so good You said Baseball equipment like were you like an equipment hound like needed the new glove needed the new bats. Yeah There's all sorts of guys, you know I think there's the guys that just get sent everything and so they have everything there's guys Usually the guys that really want like all the cool shit those were the guys that don't have it the younger guys or like maybe guys that just got called up or guys that don't have the big deals because You know, then they're like and I see so-and-so, you know, Jake Arietta is probably the Person I saw got sent the most shit like we come home from road trips and his entire locker and his extra locker next to We'll just be like boxes and boxes and boxes of stuff So for a guy like that like he doesn't really care. He kind of just like opens up a box and he's like, oh, where are these today? So nice. I look pretty much like I liked whatever I had that was like a creature of habit So I wore the same shoes from Under Armour. They were called the yard ones And I think they're like on yard 11 now, so I like always requested the yard once So I was a guy that Wanted what I was comfortable with I guess but definitely have all those guys Like I said, most of the time they're the young guys that like want all the cool shit They want to be like flashy and then if they suck we always would just make fun of them You like you have all that cool gear on and you suck Were you how many gloves did you go through during the season same and I would just I had my one glove that I loved and I would constantly try to break in like new gloves But you know for whatever reason and I think a lot of guys will probably share the sentiment with me like You'll get we get I think I got sent like five gloves a year from Rawlings or something like that And you get one or two They would break in like the way you wanted them and then the other three like I have like sitting right over here I have maybe four or five gloves that I haven't even caught a baseball with so I had a lot of time with my one glove molded it perfectly and even though I did leave the league in In errors it was still in my opinion a pretty good I always like when the guy wears the same hat like John wetland on the Yankees in the 90s We're the same hat the entire season by the end of the year is just disgusting and Gross and I was like that's cool, but I can understand why you wouldn't want to do that but I was not like that like my give me like a clean cup and Sliders and all that like nasty stuff like I needed that like fresh like like my cleats You know, whatever if they felt good to me. I was I'm gonna stick with them, but You know that new hat new cup all that stuff. Yeah, we are hard opposites on that I was neighbors with John Valentine growing up and he hit the first Grand Slam ever in In interleague play and they took his bat away from him and his dad was like he was really upset about it They put it in the Hall of Fame, but he was like I was on a hot streak with that bat and they fucking made me give it away He was really upset about it. I always thought that shit was interesting. Yeah, I think that's like when people come into the clubhouse and You'll take them back to the equipment room and they'll just go with the equipment guy And he'll just be handing out shirt after shirt of pants and shorts and everything you can think of in these guys like their eyes are so wide and as you you know play Play ball for a while. You kind of get used to it So you forget like how special it is like now I have so much extra crap Like I'll bring it to my high school and just unload a bunch of like pairs of batting gloves and the joy On these baseball players faces. It's amazing, dude You know stuff that stuff that big leaders take for granted, you know And you really have to remember where you came from like I'd never used batting gloves coming up because They were too expensive and they would just get ruined So I didn't even wear batting gloves until I got into pro ball now now like If I get a speck of dirt on my bag those they're gone Yes, I got a Right, so Definitely funny to like see everyone's interactions and reactions to all the gear that everyone gets it's pretty funny, man So I had a question one question. I didn't write down. I'm saying it for me Jake because it's a weird question It's pretty open. How'd you get good at baseball? Like you said growing up Like do or you is your dad a ball player you have older brothers who like were hard on you Did you it was in a group of friends? What tell me what I didn't have grown up. Okay, honestly, I'm I think the biggest thing was my older brother Okay, so he played my dad played baseball in high school. I was pretty good. I had uncle that was okay But again only high school. My uncle played like junior college ball, but they just started working Right when they got out of high school, but I had an older brother. He played baseball He was good at it. I'm four years younger than him. So it's like my entire childhood. He just tried to keep up with them, you know for the most part I got My ass beat, you know, and then you get a little bit older start to get a little bit better And then it's like okay I can I can beat him every once in a while and just that like him pushing me even though He probably didn't mean to like he did though because he's here. He is I'm watching him He's doing well and I just wanted to be exactly like him. So I think that's a big that's help you all the time Like your second son is most likely gonna be better than your first son just because of that that they're pushing that motivation This is the exact answer. I was looking for as the first son. So thank you very much Jake doesn't have any older brothers. So yeah, we are my parents for my parents first son was awful. I I Driver I think before before we start deep diving into thing I think we still got a couple just like backstory boxes. We want to check and I think we can hit a couple of these quick. Hey Do you so first I'm gonna go baseball reference on you Six two two fifteen was that playing way? Are you still there? What do you got? Well baseball reference and probably I guess all the teams they usually give guys an extra inch I want to like correct that for the masses. I'm six one I don't want to be out here like thinking I'm six two and then they're disappointed when I show up So my mom tried to do that for me on my license. She was like just make it say five eight and I was like mom I don't give a shit. I'm sure yeah I did like I wanted to be like a beast like I'm like the jumbo tron like show me like six four Which a lot of a lot of teams you gotta watch these people man, but six one I played mostly at like two ten, you know But now after I don't I don't lift the same way I used to live I don't eat the same way I used to eat so I'm probably down to like one ninety-five right now Okay, I mean Friday machine, you know same I get that Okay, and then this is a big one for me and Jim because this is a big part of baseball life Do you have nicknames because I mean ploof is an awesome last name? I mean that's fun rolls off the tongue on baseball reference. They've got special T I was running through my head. I mean TP. I don't know Is there what are we missing nickname wise cuz you're I mean you're part of the family now well also But ploof is very close to poof, which is very a very derogatory term in the UK If you went to if you went to London on the London games, they'd have a jolly old time Yeah, a puff a poof. It's is that like what is that as a raga tour? Do you want to go into it or it's for it's what they call gay people when they're being mean Oh, you know what I have heard that before Yeah, no luckily I hasn't come to me in the states, but I mean my name has been butchered so many times I mean ploof is like the last thing people say it's like, you know plough pluffet, whatever I think it's too easy. It's like this can't just be ploof. It's gotta be something. Yeah Well, that doesn't look like just ploof, you know, there's a you in there There's a you a couple F's, you know people who get it They get scared about by the E at the end. So I guess it's been butcher, but yeah special T was like I Mean to ask you for like those nicknames on the players weekend jerseys like hey give us right now I'm like I literally do not have a nickname ploofie Trev TP like that's like the standard But I was in a biker gang growing up so Yeah, check it out. So that was my biker name gang name specialty so special as like an homage to My my history there, but really no one calls me that so you can call me it I mean you can start it up. Do most guys just call you ploof Trev pluffy Jakes got a lot of nice saying pluffy. I was like big Minnesota thing for me. So Jake's got rocky flying salami toilet no sturdoms You fell off his toilet and hit his head on the floor And then he got next you get next five bets of the day correct Yeah, we do this daily radio show last off season and he would give his bed of the day every day And one day he showed up and he had a bruise on his head Sorry, Jake, and he was shitting his brains out because he was sick and like lost all fluids He passed out Enough about me toilet no sturdoms. Yeah, it's really no sturdoms. It's we're pretty good Call you though cuz like, you know nicknames you can just make anything like people do so much Stupid crap on the back of their players weekend jerseys. Like yeah, no you got yonder Alonzo and John Jay. They're like mr. 305 like nobody is ever gonna call you mr. Everybody knows like a joke, but no one's really gonna call you that and then you have the guys like We're talking about Chapman before I think his on the back was chappy and that's perfect That's actually what people call them. I love baseball reference needs to differentiate because they give you nicknames like Like rocket for Roger Clemens boomer for David Wells People actually called them those things in passing and then you have like the human rain delay like no one like saw Him in the hallway and was like, you know human rain delay. What's up? Who's human rain do that? Give me that one oil can No, yeah People that a lot of pitchers are have that nickname. Yeah, Steve traction is the one right Mike Calphrey He used to call that he was the worst took forever between his pitches. So How much does that change as an infielder like Sonny Gray take took forever when he was on the Yankees and They had so many errors behind him and we always wondered like is their correlation there Like do infielders legitimately get so bored when the pitchers taking forever and does it like make your mind strike? Is there anything to that? Absolutely like you'll be out there and this guy's taken forever and literally instead of being like alright like once you count like Kitch was set about side prior speed, you know, I'll go to the hole or to the line whatever you're like This motherfucker like can he just grow the ball? Yeah, you're mind straight and all of a sudden, you know, you have your 28 airs and you Grab and grow grab and throw pitchers like Mark Burley or Lance Lance Lynn Like those guys really actually helped like the team is like this is better for us Yeah, you hear that all the time It's like guys are like this guy we love playing defense behind them and it's true It's like here we go like you know, he's gonna throw strikes. So like the action's coming You know, he's gonna be on the mound. He's not like walking around like wiping a sweat off whatever like that helps a ton So You know, there's that kind of you know, you guys are used to like those long-ass games watching the Yankees and the Red Sox Yeah, those are those are miserable games and give me the two hour 20 all day, you know The Yankees What's the average time on those three and a half like yeah, I was gonna say 340 it depends on who's up If it's Sunday night baseball and Joe West is on thing. It's probably like four hours. Yeah, that's horrible man It's bad baseball. You have an omp. You hate the most. I mean not really like there They're all pretty bad. I try to like, you know, I like some I like some how that I Have a few that I like it's probably better than I tell you one's the ones that I like. Yeah Barrett it's amazing. Okay. I think everyone likes him. You guys like know his background story He's like spar with Mike Tyson No, yeah, he he called he called someone's no hitter a perfect game and they they tell the story about it And yeah, I've heard that he's like a badass dude Stud like he's a guy like he just sticks to a strike zone. So I remember one game in particular We were facing David Price at the TROP and he just kept throwing a two-seamer like a front door two-seamer and So starts off the plate and it was like coming back but not enough and Ted was calling them balls and you can just see David Price me. Okay. I'm just gonna keep going there like he's gonna give it to me I'm David Price and Boom, you just have hidden the glove hitting the glove hitting the glove and he would not waver and it was though That's what you want. Just give me the zone. Don't change because this guy is all of a sudden hidden spot a bunch But he's great You know, obviously most people just don't like The Joe West and my partners Angel Hernandez of the world because they're just Bad There's another nation for it. I mean, they're nice guys I think with um with umpiring and driver's licenses when you hit a certain age You should retake the test like these are brothers all the time Like my grandma she was like 87 years old and I love her She ends every episode and she watches games with me. So don't take this wrong She shouldn't have been on the road for the last five years. She was on the road Just it should not have been legal and the same with like Joe West dude Joe West has been umpiring for almost 40 years like at some point we should retake it He should have to retake the umpiring test Is there an umpiring test you have to retake a test? I mean, it's pretty crazy I read a book about the process And it's Mark finds and dad John finds and wrote a book about it And it's pretty nuts like to graduate to the MLB But I think once you're there you're in and they get their cue score after every game And it tells them how many curls they got corrector You're wrong and when they implemented that is when the strike zone actually became real because have you ever seen like leave on Hernandez's perfect game. Oh my gosh, so bad and Well, I'm liking I was named cubs who struck out 18 guys prior Kerry would Kerry would Kerry Woods strikeout game like go watch that They're just not even close to the plate and I'm just called up. There's a documentary. I'm like, yeah If he hit a spot we used to just call call it a strike. That was how the game was umped They have like I said, most guys are nice guys. They want to be good umpires So you kind of like like all right like it's just a kind of a hard job Especially I can real time like that calling balls and strikes So you kind of given the benefit of the doubt, but then there are some guys. They're just egregious with it And then if you question them at all They got some lit back to you or they don't want to hear it from you Those are the guys where you're just like, dude come on. Yeah, this is really affecting my career you know, let's we at least have a conversation about it and I'm trying to think you ask me the question. Do I hate the most and I've I've come up with one, okay? Okay, I really feel bad You don't have to say it if you don't want to Uh, Greg Gibson, Greg Gibson your name and I know I never even heard of him. Well, I heard a Ted Barrett. Oh Oh, I know Gibson just does not like if you say anything to him. It's just like he you're wrong He's right. No matter what and that's that's the stuff that I don't like, you know, it's yeah Yeah, let's at least have a conversation buddy. Do you ever get tossed? I'm not not in a big big game Which is really good. Yeah, I know yeah, I want to pay that fine. Come on, man No, I don't see I don't really think I ever had like Eric Cooper could RIP Eric Cooper, he could he could have thrown me out a couple times him and I had some back and forth early on in my career He had an awesome accent. He could have thrown me out like the first time like I was like a rookie year first year And we had some words and I expected to throw me out and he didn't then for a while We were kind of iffy, but then we made up and play I mean playing third baseman It's like you hang out with that guy. It's tough because yeah You know you get the empires at home and the next day they're there So it's like you got to be ready to talk to them. So that's kind of it's probably why I was I Didn't get thrown out too much because I knew I had to deal with them the next day and I didn't you know I'm kind of a not like an aggressive person per se. So nice I did that one. I I didn't write this down. I wanted to ask normally you hear this with football players a lot, but We used to be in a pretty geeky fantasy baseball league Okay, you have a good or bad relationship with fantasy baseball because you got something going on You're like a power power hitting infielder and you had the shortstop eligibility going on Did you have good experience with that bad experience with that? Do you hate when people mention their fantasy team to you? Honestly, I didn't get it mentioned too often to me I don't know if I was on a ton of people's fantasy teams. Be honest. Oh, you're on you're on my pot my my team, baby I hear the only ones I've ever heard people are like, hey, thanks. You did this for me Like you I picked you up off waivers and you were pretty good Okay, that's not bad streamed you're for a week and you crush it Yeah, like hey like I saw your power surge and you held me for a couple weeks And then after that I dropped you back to waiver So do you well and where where I was gonna segue that was and I thought this was a really fun question And you might you might have some real ones that might have been passed to you through the years But I was gonna say if if someone Wasn't familiar with you. They're new to baseball. They didn't know Trevor plus game I wanted you to give a scouting report on yourself Slash have you ever received any scouting reports and you were like, oh shit. What is this? Okay, all right, I definitely have received the scouting ports playing on different teams and then it's funny to hear guys come over like pitchers No, like oh, yeah, this is how we used to attack you. It's it's always the same shit with me It was it was expand the zone in To set up hitches away late. So they hard in soft the way, which is a pretty stand You know mine was just throw the ball just Just throw it just throw it anywhere near him But people thought like they could get in on my on my hands a lot so and they could They'd come to expand the zone get me cheating in it starts on that stuff away So that my best years are when I really was laying off that and then using the whole field going the other way But it's hard to do that man. It's hard to be stay disciplined like that. I I make the breakdown videos on weird plays and ejections and all that shit If they're one from your career that you're like, ah, that would have been that was a weird weird play Because I know we have the you have two home runs off two position pitchers. Maybe I'll make that anyway. I Told you to make your Twitter bio that best ever against position players Minimum two at bats Best hitter ever against position players and then my other claim to fame is Hobbit's wife while I was in the show Wow Wow Yeah, I did was that a was that a one-person vote? I got that vote from like four or five guys. I have a funny The reason I say that I actually mean it but Logan Morrison I get over to the rays and I'm playing with him And he's like hey man, like just want to let you know like big fanny ears I'm like you're a big fan of mine like why he goes. Oh, we used to have our our hitters meetings and We'd go to our defensive me to do excuse me to go our defense means okay, Trevor Ploof and Apparently their video guy used to like kind of check out the stands. Oh, yeah Yeah, so they they'd seen my wife So every time they would a game plan against me to be like Trevor Ploof and someone to yell hot wife Well when you Google your name everyone's googling pictures of your wife right now that's watching this delicious Yeah, when you Google your name The top the top drop-down is Trevor Ploof Twitter Trevor Ploof wife. So yeah, it's true I'm proud of it. So, you know Okay saying that but yeah, I love the I would love to break down the the Kike Hernandez Well, and that was a lot of fun because he was doing you I think you broke that down Like maybe he was when he was doing like the hip gyrations and shit Kike. Yeah, he does a lot of weird stuff. He's a fun. He's a fun guy. He was the one Go ahead. Oh, yeah, so he got on the mound was doing like the hip Gyrations was like having a lot of fun with it So that's like a fun thing to break down and that same play you could probably find Gabe Kapler like in the dugout just like He's going like this like thank you praying and saying thank you Lord. They're bringing a position player in a Lot of funny stuff from that. Yeah For anyone doesn't know is a tied game like 16th inning or something and they bring in Kike Hernandez to pitch and He walked the first two batters and then he had two strikes on you And then it was like a high-fast ball you put oppo for the walk-off homerun How do you celebrate that when you're rounding the bases? Are you like am I allowed to go crazy? Am I not allowed to go crazy? Like that's a hard one to celebrate Yeah, I don't know how I don't know what the rules are on that one. I was pretty stoked But you know, I was trying to play it cool, I guess You know, but it was also like two in the morning or something Actually, I was like pump that we got to go now let's go home That's always I have fun breaking down when people win on walk-off box or walk-off walks But there was one against the A's walk-off error And it's so fun to break down the awkward celebration because they're like well We have to do the Gatorade, but then they're like we can't get too into this. I Think I had like a walk-off. I might have been into the Yankees actually I had a swinging bunt to Someone pitching and he like over through the first baseman and we won so that was a very awkward Celebration for me, you know You want to hit a Homer you want to do something all of a sudden you hit like a swing bun You're like running down the first base pissed off and then he throws the ball away And you have to turn, you know turn your frown upside down real quick and then you know, yeah All the cameras are on you. It's very it is very awkward. There's a great old highlight of Paul O'Neill who? Thought he flew out to right field in old Yankee Stadium And he like slams the bat down and he's fucking pissed and it ends up carrying over the short porch fur a go-ahead home run and like the a thinning and He rounds home and he everyone's trying to celebrate with him But he didn't get good wood on it So he's still just believe it the entire like he can't get himself to understand like just be happy. It's really funny Funny man, I think I mean Bryce Harper's done that a few times, doesn't he? Yeah, I think so and then people take it People take it people love to hate on him. So like what a dick like with Paul O'Neill were like, well, that's so awesome It's funny how people can do the same thing but get perceived different Jake and I like Harper We think I like people that play Play the heel like Harper's not afraid to be hated neither is Bregman and I don't really like Bregman But I I'd like that he does that, you know baseball needs people that are gonna be like villains I like Votto a lot because he'll fuck with opposing fans in when he's playing first and Who are the villains? I mean you're saying Bryce Harper. I guess he's definitely a villain people love to hit him You're right. I don't know why like I guess even I have some nations of him, but He was a pretty good guy. I met him in screen train this year like when he came over that was cool I'm trying to think of other villains Strowman's like a villain, right kind of yeah Archer before he kind of got bad enough When I was no one's no one's scared of Archer But but he know it's scared of but dislike just because he's it's mostly guys that are 100% themselves on the field good or bad like Tim Anderson right now everyone loves to hate that guy He's my best friend because he retweeted my video I made on him So me me and Timmy are close actually I so I like everything the White Sox are doing right now They're kind of yeah, he's a good player man You see that a lot like you'll see guys that are on other teams You're like, oh, I hate that guy like I can't stand it and then he comes on your team like okay He's alright. Yeah, I don't know. I mean obviously we're Yankees fans But you hear that about Derek Jeter and oh everything I read is like guys would come over and be like oh He's overrated. He's overhyped He gets too much attention Then they'd spend a season with Jeter and they always came out of it like holy shit that dude Works really hard. So I don't know maybe you've heard some other stories that are differing that but it's always cool Like it's anyone who gets publicity. I'm sure people I don't know Do you think anyone hates trout like within like players are like fuck that guy because he seems liked by Sure, I'm sure. I'm sure there's some people that hate and there's always haters But you know, he's kind of like one of those guys who does he just stays out of the limelight So he doesn't give himself the opportunities to be hated The only thing you could really hate about him is just like how good he is So, you know, he's kind of got that going for him, but I agree the other guys, you know the Bragg man's and Strowman's the archers those guys kind of they leave it out all in the field. So they leave themselves opportunities for that But I like those guys. Are you into like this youth movement where you know, hey, let him bat flip Let him show emotion and all that would you have been up in your bat flips if you were, you know Because 2013-14 you played kind of an error where it was slowly transitioning to where I feel like The last two years have been the league saying like no, let's do it like let's allow this to happen Would you have liked it or disliked it? Would you have partaken or did you I? I'm all about it because I think it's a way to grow the game I think that's kind of what the MLB is seeing it's people want to see that stuff So now that I'm out of the game. I kind of understand it more, but I was Brought up or mentored by like a couple guys who would never do that like Justin Morneau, Joe Maurer Jim Tomei like these guys are just knocking it. Yeah Watching these guys with their pedigree and they're not doing it. It's like you just you Automatically just say okay. I'm not doing it either like I'm gonna act like I've been there even though I necessarily haven't been there but You like you said now it's it's part of the course and even the older guys like the bronze of the world like they're like I saw him Absolutely pimp a bunch of balls this year and he never would have done that in years past But now it's kind of like commonplace. I'm okay with it That's a I think it's funny going back to the heel thing a little bit I think like baseball players don't get enough exposure to be the heel It's not like oh Jake Lam's coming to town that guy pisses me off like no not enough guys are watching those d-back games And I I think we're getting into the current players a little bit and and Trevor we we kind of heard this about you and then You you got a face time while we grab beers with with someone who's gaining popularity and baseball But you're still pretty well connected to the game. I mean is it are you still at the level where I mean You're just rooting for your buddies. You're rooting for the the California guys or I don't know I think you're trying to do some sports media stuff Are you like where are you at with baseball fandom or watching the games right now with baseball fandom? I'm rooting for my buddies. I think that's the number one thing. I don't necessarily have a team that I'm rooting for anymore I'm partial to the twins because that's of most of my baseball relationships are there But I don't I don't actually care if they win like when they got smoked by the Yankees I wasn't like oh, you know dang it. Yeah, I knew that was gonna happen. Yeah I think everybody did I made my my postseason picks and I picked the twins just as like a fan appeasing pick I was like, this is stupid. They're gonna lose You got a you got a panda a little bit. I know you do and but so yeah, I'm rooting for my buddies And even then it's funny like some of these guys will face each other like Flaherty who who was the face time you're talking about he was he faced max freed and in a playoff game It's like hilarious to see that happen So I just love watching the game without any allegiances I think that's kind of like the way to do it like these playoffs. It was like I Don't care who wins like I just want to see good baseball I want to see these games and and you're kind of like happy either way like if if you know The Astros would have pulled it out like I wouldn't have cared obviously now. It's a little different from what we've learned, but It's kind of fun to watch this watch the games with no allegiances because basketball. I have a team Football I have a team college football have a team and baseball. I'm just wide open I think it's it's been the most fun. I've ever had like, you know enjoying this sport Yeah, you can talk easily about it, which I found because I was we were covering You know all of major league baseball this year for the first time where I would always watch the made the world series and stuff But I never was sharing my thoughts and I was like, oh, this is cool I can make jokes at both teams I can celebrate and then I found out that Everyone thinks you're rooting for the other team no matter what I got Joe Bucks syndrome happened to me sucked But now now you're right like now. I'm glad the Nationals won. I have I have What do you change when you change history? What's that called Jake? Asking me for words. Yeah, there's a term when you change history borderline literate. Yeah, I don't even know what you're talking about I do know that you're not allowed in the state of Texas anymore at least a city. Yeah, right? They're mad. They're mad They probably were watching this video Saying get to this astro stuff. I want to hear what he says and then misinterpret it and then be mad at him Yeah, let's let's get into it first opening question if you were on the 2017 Astros, what would your slash line have been? We kind of talked about this before like you just can't quantify how much knowing what pitch is coming helps you You know, so I know we've done like the the home and away splits and some of them are good Some of them aren't that good, which I don't really understand All we can see all I can think of is a lot of the guys Maybe there were times where they wanted the times they didn't want it because that does happen Sometimes you'd be like, yeah, give me that pitch. I want to know everything and there's some guys you face like I don't need it, you know, so it was I Actually had because that was probably the worst year baseball I've ever played I have it up here But I wasn't gonna read it because yeah, it's it's really it was a it was gonna be a bounce back here for me And then I didn't bounce back. You got the bounce back. Yeah Yeah, I forgot that we'll add a hundred points to every every line if you were on the 2007 I like that it still wouldn't have been that good. I don't even know what happened I can't tell you what would be that still pretty good. I mean two seven two ninety eight 372 that's pretty good Don't don't don't even go into and now people are subtracting the hundred. Let's not It's funny You know, I went to the A is gonna be the third baseman starting and I don't know what happened I just couldn't find my stroke, dude, and then I went to the Tampa and I kept telling the hitting coach Fixed me like something is going on with my family Help me and he'd be like you're fine You get more bats. Well, I'm not getting any of bats. My swing sucks. Like you make something has to happen and It just never did man. So we joked when we were together. I said you spent 2017 playing At the Coliseum and then playing at the Trap Two worst places in the MLB was maybe let's blame that your environment sucked. I Agree, I'll blame anything besides myself, you know, what definitely wasn't me. What was worse the chopper Oakland? From a player perspective, everyone knows what it's like to view it on TV. I think the Coliseum is not that bad The Trap I fucking hate but from a player's perspective like the clubhouse behind the scenes Oakland Oakland's Oakland's the worst And the guys do a really good job in the clubhouse I don't want to like talk shit about them, but they can only do so much, you know, it's like putting lipstick on a pig there's much you do with that stadium and The Trap at least you had the good weather, you know in Oakland it was freezing cold all the time even during the summer and The Trap was like, you know, 71 degrees every every day. So at first I liked the Trap It was like a like a nice little change. You got the the dome It was like you're playing in a different galaxy and then you start to realize like wow like But I'm vitamin D deficient or something is going on because I'm up to the field and I just feel like crap and Like you said like I played at the two worst places. Maybe we can start. I'm gonna start telling people That's what happens my baseball career. Yeah, there you go. There's No, you're lucky you're playing Pagan lipstick on a pig and coach fix my swing I mean, I'm it's sophomore year in high school all over again for me I pleaded with them, man Dude like please like like let's work on something. It's like your swing looks great. I'm like, dude I know it doesn't fucking look great But you know didn't happen for me, so it's okay. Yeah, we got to get back to we got to get back to the Astros Yeah, sorry. Yeah, no, it's all good The Astros cheated the banging is real and all the other stuff for you Astros fans I don't think it's proven yet. I don't think the whistles are proven I don't think the eyeliner the buzzers. They're all just rumors and maybe they didn't happen but the banging in 2017 is very real banging before pitches and The only reason you would bang to let a batter know The pitch is because of cameras, right? Is that like is there any way that the banging would make sense? Without cameras they wouldn't need it, right? It's just it's it was too often and and Too quick for it to be from a generic regular old. I have a tip on you type of thing because you know was going from pitcher to pitcher and It was so accurate Happen unless you're literally looking at the signs, so we know that that's real That's like you can't even if there's any Astros fans out there that are still questioning if they Cheated and stole signs in 2017's and banged on trash can You're delusional like that happens like that's 100% true So we'll see what happens with that the other stuff I thought you said the whistling was proven. I know I read some articles on that you can kind of get the sound Yeah, but it's the definitive proof is the banging Yeah Now they're saying like they were changing the whistling and then there's that charge whistle and a lot of Astros fans said like no that dude's a staple in the stadium like the broadcast asked him to be quiet So I'm backpelling a little on the whistling even though I never was that too deep. I thought for sure It's something I think the Yankees heard it and they were going into Houston like listening like active ears Like let's figure out what they're doing So but the banging is real and then logically just like deductive reasoning if you win the world series With the method in place and you think the rest of league is doing stuff like this as well You're not gonna just morally be like, okay, we're done. You're gonna change the relay system. So Their culture, you know has guided them into this type of mindset, you know, like it starts from up top You know, we saw the email that came out Asking the scouts in the event scouts to do whatever they could to to get signed So it was coming from the top Leaking down to the players and like you said you start to have success with something Maybe you start to rely on it and then all of a sudden just becomes commonplace And you go from there. So I Want to I went to Houston twice in 2000. I'm pretty sure we'd have to look this up I'm pretty sure I went there with both Oakland and Tampa and I do not remember the banging Which now when you go back and look at the games, it seems like how could you not hear that? Yeah? So I wanted to ask you because this is something that me me and Jim haven't been fully able to wrap our heads around and We don't know if we're giving too much respect or not enough But when we thought about this and we thought about the Houston Astros and the players like We're baseball dudes like I I don't know There's there's something that hurts your soul when you actually hear they were using the cameras and stuff like that Like that's so not baseball It hurts And we were thinking about some of we were thinking about the guys in the Houston organization and it It really was all these young guys that came up through Houston or like, you know Gurriel that Houston's his only team he knew and you know, you go through the main guy springer out to of a fragment Etc. Etc. That we've kind of give them a little bit of a pass just because like hey if this is all you know This is all you know So I mean is is that where people should be thinking or do you think these guys kind of need to be thrown in front of the bus a little more I See where you're saying there like, you know, you're oh, hey there. I see what you're saying You come up. You're a young guy. Like you're gonna listen to who Older guys are no matter what like, you know, the ass shows a lot of these teams now. They're letting the young guys You know hitting the middle of the lineup for letting them kind of do a lot of things that maybe necessarily didn't happen You know even five six seven years ago Where it was mostly veterans making all these decisions. So like there are teams that do that, but I'm telling you right now There's no way that one of those guys those young guys came in and said Like let's implement this it was definitely older guy And I think the reports have been have been saying that as well I don't want you can't really necessarily name a name of who it was but you know in my thinking if I came and You know Justin Morneau Or a Josh Willingham type figure for me. It was like, hey, this is what we're doing I got to be honest with you man. I probably would have bought into it and it's just because they're They're essentially the boss, you know, like Older guys in the team that you listen to those guys, you know, you're gonna do whatever they tell you to do Especially your first couple years, you know, you start to get your identity a little bit later in your career, but So it's I do see what see where you're coming from But it's definitely still there's still fault there, you know, they're not they're not just like hey like those guys didn't have anything to do with it because they're young guys like they still went along with it and We knew definitely know what happened in 2017. We don't know about 2018 19 definitively, but You gotta you gotta let them, you know, where some of the responsibility as well. Yeah, we we uh, I Heard some people say this to me and it's on the same thing Like maybe like these guys actually thought everyone was doing it to this extent and a lot of astronauts are saying We're not the only ones that do are doing this and a lot of the report has said, you know They're not the only team doing this as well Which I believe to an extent because why are all the fingers being pointed at the astros if There's more teams that are doing it to this extent. I this is honestly just my opinion I think maybe these younger guys did think hey, this is League wide like we're if we're just trying to do it better than everyone else so Do you think this is League wide like I know that teams go to lengths to steal signs We've seen it with the Red Sox with the iPad that was Cora after he left the Astros There's something interesting there The Yankees got fined for misusing their bullpen phone, which every Astro fan has sent me my way But they didn't use it to steal signs. They just fucking misused the bullpen phone Is this ramp it? Do you think every team is like trying to this extent top-down operation? I think teams are trying to do whatever they can to to pick up on either the catcher sequences You know Kind of the regular stuff like what pictures are doing where they're coming set and whatnot I do not think that there is our multiple teams using cameras like a live feed Direct to somebody relaying signs. I don't think that's League wide. Is it just the Astros? Obviously, you can't say that definitively, but I've now played in let's see, you know five organizations, and that's never even come up, so I had a I had a scout reach out to me When that email leaked and he was like dude, I've been a scout for 20 years I'm with he gave me this team and proved he was a scout, but he asked me to stay quiet, but he was like That email is fucking crazy That is not normal to ask scouts to help install cameras or but not Old-school. Yeah scouts do not want any part of that, you know like yeah You can argue that the the new age type of front offices the guys I Don't want to you know categorize guys just as Ivy League yours But you know those kind of front offices coming in, you know, you have like the Wall Street guys type numbers type guys You know, maybe they don't have that type of love for the game or the history of the game so it could be more of like These guys come in and say this is we can win like this and this is gonna make us better and That's kind of what happened and if that's the case then you kind of gotta look around the league There are a lot of these front offices that are built the same way now Yeah, it's crazy. I have to ask you this because people will tell me what didn't you ask? But I hate when people ask me this so you can give whatever bullshit answer you want What do you think the punishment should be? Yeah, that's a tough one. Yeah, I thought about it a lot I think if it Comes back and it's 2017 thing where it's like hey, this is Isolated to this year. I think that you can do the draft picks if it's one if it's two I think there's got to be some suspension of their manager and Possibly the general manager. I think those are kind of I think everyone's almost like an agreement with that But if it extends to 2018 and 2019 Then I think we got to start talking about, you know Something a little bit different possibly postseason ban or something like that. Yeah, something, you know, it's it's crazy if you say one year I Get it, you know, you did this thing and maybe MLB got wind of it and you shut it down, but if you start doing it for multiple years I think there's got to be like a huge punishment because they're trying to deter other teams That's basically I think all you want all I want is you just all we want is just the game to not have this anymore It's terrible for the game if every time someone it's a home run or they're on a pitch that we think like oh shit Maybe this team is doing it too. My thing is I at this point I'm so fed up with the asterisks fans coming at me every single day that if the MLB comes out and said we did a full Investigation We are 100% positive they cheated. I'll be like fine That's punishment enough for me because you guys can't say dick to me anymore shut up I just I just think they need to they need to make it harsh for the future, right? So I don't know what is what is that though? Like what's harsh, you know, like yeah I mean Jake said this once and it kind of sounds hot takies, but like If it if they did it for three seasons fucking ban hinge If look, I mean, I mean on the table I guarantee you that's on the table Not only hinge, but the front office as well like they're looking at yeah, it's not just a suspension bans Yeah, so I've heard like Luna was gonna step down and be blackballed and then you know hinge might be suspended But if it's a three years if everything that's alleged comes to be out to be true And who knows you know the buzzers they seem crazy enough that maybe I hope they're not true because that's fucking Yeah, terrible, but if those come out to be true, it's what they need by it needs to be big What do you do with the players to them? You know like Because I don't know how you handle pleasure. I don't think you can do that But I think if you ban hinge no one cares He's not like no one cares besides hinge and his family and friends because he's not fucking Pete Rose Hall of Famer He's not shoeless Joe Jackson. It was one of the best players of the in the league at the time, you know what I mean It's I know I know he's well respected before this, but I understand you're saying it's it's pretty easy to do And say a thing with the general manager like, you know, no offense to either of those guys But you know if you're at the helm you got to take responsibility. I mean they say it after every loss Oh, I got to wear this one. This one's on me. Whatever. Well now you're getting accused of something, you know, that's game changing like History's gonna remember this if they get convicted, you know, maybe forever, you know It's a big story. It's if this is if it's all true and they get in trouble This is the Astros identity for like 20 years like they would have to It'd be a long time before the Astros aren't If they take a World Series title away just say this a we're gonna strip them of this title like obviously don't get to hang the flag Now these guys do that or am I asking do you think these guys get to call themselves World Series champions? They not publicly like begin even fans like it you're not gonna brag about it because everyone just Be like well It's it's the scene from semi-pro. It's uh, it's what's his name on the back of the bus And he he turns to monics and he goes. Yeah, right in the bench like a bitch It's gonna be like you you guys like I think when you guys said players I think these players are gonna have stink on them for life like that's their punishment like and and I think the other thing and Travis, I'm not saying this to hit your hit your core, but baseball is a young person sport I mean the only time we've really seen old dudes thrive in baseball was the steroids era Baseball is a young person sport that like, you know what? Springer he's gonna hit free agency next year and you know Bregman's gonna out two days getting older and he's got a small body like look what happened to Petroia Like baseball falls off quickly And I think these guys careers are naturally Kind of start going downhill and everyone's gonna say oh, yeah It's a lot tougher Springer when you don't know what bitch is coming on and I I think that's They're gonna get that for you know the next 10 years however long they play. That's all anyone's ever gonna say to them The funny thing that I think about with this situation is they paid a lot of these guys, right? Yeah, that's the weird part when a seven year hundred million dollars. Is that what it was something like that? Yeah, it turns out they were cheating for three years of your like reference on him like That's not a very smart, you know business move for you Like you maybe don't know what this guy's like without and and I'll say this I think he's a hell of a player And I don't think he needs the pitches. I think he's that good But I mean you're basing what you're paying this guy of what he has done for you Maybe Braggman says hey, I'm I'm gonna rat you get rum to rat out pay me my money look dude It's such a like there's so many caveats with this situation I mean we just tend to talk about the cheating and then what's gonna happen to the organization or what are the pensions gonna be but like stuff like that like Players who aren't that good or we're on the team for a little bit I think when if this comes out you're gonna start seeing more and more people just come give a little bit more tidbits of information here to this Information there and we're gonna start to see the whole picture like there's no doubt Apparently the MLB offered like amnesty to any player. I was on the estrus that comes out like we you won't get in trouble But they're gonna have people lining up for their amnesty. I promise you that because they don't no one wants To deal with this. I mean if you get suspended as a player, I mean these guys are making big money And you're gonna lose four or five six seven million dollars. What about this punishment that I thought of the other day What if on opening day? 2020 for the Astros Before the game starts they have to take down the flag in front of the full stadium And then they have to put up a flag that says 2017 cheated and they have to slowly Pull it up and then they do the national anthem then they start the 2020 season. That's pretty good punishment And the camera crews they have to scan the entire Audience as the flits I got to be PI picture-in-picture flag going up And they just need to scan all the Astros fans faces watching the cheated flag go up And then I'll make a breakdown of all their faces They should do that. He went to catch buddies so hard if it's like proactively they did that at the start of 2020 just They all had their rings and I gave the box back Yeah, they just all had to open up their hands and then one by one a guy walked down And like a few lashings like a guy behind that with a go this like snack shame shame Joe Joe Tory taking all the rings off the players is a pretty good image in my head dude Joe Tory I was watching this that this is I'll say that as attention. I Missed the old Joe Tory Joe Tory in the front office sucks He was part of this ejection or this brawl I just did and he's like the Braves manager and he was just such a fucking pistol of anger like Justin So miss him Jake you got we're running long. You've got a bunch of questions. Good. Let's go. Yeah I've got one act. I've got one natural segue Yeah, I got a segue from everything, but we were talking about doling out the punishment I was gonna do I mean this is this is the classic mayor for a day I was I was gonna give you the commissioner for the day and I I have my one example that me and John boy Aren't fully on cuz he likes AL and NL being separate. I think every team needs to play each other Like I think every year Albert pool holes I think year eight This was his first time back in St. Louis and they had like a giant party Like if you're a Yankees fan in Colorado right now You're not gonna see Aaron judge for like five years and it's like I just want that to grow the game I think it's something great about the NBA if if Portland comes to LA. You're like, oh, yeah, let me see Dane You know, so your commissioner for a day you get to put in whatever you want You're slowly winning me over on that one Jake. Just let you know. Oh, I know babe I love that. I love the reconfiguration of the visions trying to get more regional matchups I think that makes a lot of sense. It's tough with 30 teams. So we'd have to put 32 in and do the 888 888 I like that. So I agree with you on that more regionally more regional rivalries And everyone should play everybody cuz I even this year, you know I was watching the Dodgers play the Yankees and I was like super stoked. I thought that was such a cool matchup And that should happen more often. You like those uniforms. I love it. I love it You like the all-white uniform. Oh But the classic like dodger blue Oh, yeah So love that I think universal DH is like an absolute no-brainer Nobody wants to see pictures hit. I can't stand it. Thank you So that one's that's also like the easy one. I think the one Another thing I would implement and now I'm drawing a blank. I just had it on the tip my tongue Um, gosh, I can't how that happened to me. That's incredible. I just had something. It was awesome that I was gonna say It was so ready to rip it. I was so ready to get it Move on to the next question. I'm gonna Okay, the universal DH 100% reconfigurations of the divisions. I'm in for sure about one shirt player I got it. I got it came back to me. Yes. Yes happen. Okay. You should be able to have Like a mercy rule. Yeah. Okay. Okay. A lot of people are talking about that now and we talked about that when we had beers together because We're seeing so many position players pitch now And let me everyone that listened to this or watch this and just got like disgusted by the thought of it Here here's the best way to think of it if your team is Up by eight runs in the seventh inning and it's eight nothing and you're like like I don't want to leave early But this is nothing. Well now after the seventh inning if it's 10 nothing you win So now you're rooting for two more runs because once that 10th run scores It's a walk-off and you're all like hell. Let's get out of here And if your team is losing eight nothing you're like you feel obligated to sit in steak You want to be a real fan, but then like, okay, just put us out of our misery. Yeah Let me get out of here So there is some like more fun and drama to it where I think both fans don't walk away feeling gypped of baseball Yeah, and we I think we mentioned this as well Like if you are at one of those games that gets cut short because of the mercy rule like your ticket stub could then be used for whatever a free beer next time or 25% off your next ticket purchase whatever, you know something something to incentivize fans Yeah, so I think that one for me I love that because there are a lot of games are just like especially now this way out of hand and You want to save your bullpen like it's bullshit to You know have to throw a bunch of guys and then all of a sudden those guys are gonna go down the triple A You're shuttling guys back and forth. So there's like it's a you know a butterfly effect. So I'm all about the mercy rule All right. All right a couple more quick ones. I have What was your favorite steroid? We'll save that for next time This this is this is like a kind of serious baseball question as you see we can we can flip the switch on and off pretty quick We've been very impressed this year Buck Showalter did some stuff for the Yankees and it was awesome Like the dude put on a baseball clinic on the air like one of the worst media presences you've ever seen on TV Like it was it was absurd said that weird Is there a guy that you met in baseball whether it's with the twins organization or just someone you came across that you're like That dude like knows baseball on a different level than me Yeah, you know, there's a lot of guys who in different aspects of the game are just so knowledgeable It's kind of okay, so you'll see that so guy that I always say is the most knowledgeable guy that I remember was Paul Malder and Maybe I'm a little biased there because he was a coach like a roving instructor in the minor leagues He helped me a lot and then I had him as a manager as well So I got to see you know, I got he his wealth of knowledge just about the game is incredible like you know, he obviously was a gifted athlete, but You know the work he would do Even as a manager like he'd be in the video room. He'd be in there He'd be like hey, like come here like let me show you something and he'd say Look at these numbers like this guy this pitcher hasn't picked off to second base in six years We can't do it just a little stupid shit like that Like you don't even think to for and he was he was so good that he is another he taught me how to dissect a pitcher You know, you know for tips hand tory hunter over to the best at it And I tell people that all as well, but they really were and I think Also, I'll say motor was was the most knowledge aware that I came across and got to like work with and pick his brain His career stats are stupid. Jake you're seeing him 21 years 21 seasons 306 batting average through 69 on base percentage 817 OPS over 21 years. That's what he averaged at He's a step or like soft-spoken guy you asked me about his numbers and like he just won't even like really talk about it You know and the thing I really like about him was he's so honest Like he'll tell you like but like in like the most polite way like all you play like shit today But like you like will explain why you play like shit and you just like walked away like oh I think he was insulting me the entire time But I feel good about myself That's nice of him we we were blown away Buck show Walter and I this is kind of embarrassing because maybe this is super obvious But he was like yeah when pitchers off the mound They normally miss high because on a mound they're throwing downhill and I was like 25 years of baseball and I never put that together But he was just one of those And yeah, we're we're running a little long I think I've got one that that's a Trevor Ploof question We'll say it's out Molliter's Wikipedia is a bang of a story He's got a quiet in the background Dude the opening line to his personal life is during the early years of his career Molliter began using cocaine in marijuana This is personal life. Usually it's about his wife and kids He doesn't like to talk about that, but if you if you get to know him a little bit He'll go into it again now. He's like The nicest like most straight-edge guy, but he's not shy to talk with the guy was young. I was in Toronto like here we go Yeah, yeah, just Wikipedia going crazy. It wasn't Milwaukee, right? Or yeah, I think so Milwaukee. Yeah, Milwaukee I I got a Trevor Ploof question for you. It's it's the weekend. It's a Saturday. It's outside of baseball season Your hot wife and your soon-to-be hot kids are out of town What's that Saturday look like for Trevor Ploof, what are you doing? Oh, man, I guess it depends what time of year it is, you know, okay? I went tuna fishing like sport fishing first time and We drove 140 miles like in this little kind of dingy boat and if for anybody that knows anything about boats and fishing That's a lot and it was not fun We caught we caught one To my bluefin tuna in the entire time and we thought we were gonna catch like 25 But that one like got me hooked. So like I haven't gone against this then But I cannot wait to do that again. So if you're asking me like ideal Saturday, it'd be like I got my cooler full of beers I'm going out in the ocean and I'm gonna go try to catch these big-ass fish and like have fun Well, I'm doing it. Yeah, the other day you played Jake He told me played a game called over the line. I googled it. It looks like the most fun Like I wish I knew about it when I was 16 through 25 But yeah, when you told me you hadn't played it about it hadn't played it That's yeah, I think it looks like a it looks like a California beach game Interesting that's what it looks like I guess some videos of this this tournament I was in because it's it's very competitive and it's very it's almost dangerous because you're only I Want to say you're Fifty or 15 yards you're 45 feet away from a guy's swing And you're we use these Like those highlighter yellow softballs. Mm-hmm, but the soft ones. I saw it Yeah, five feet away is insane how close you are with that So it's it's a cool thing and it's like it's something You know my dad when he was coaching us when we were little like that would be fun at the end of practice We would do that and like people will go nuts. We had like a great time doing it. Yeah, I never heard of it looks fun Yeah, you also need to up your personal life Wikipedia page man compared to Paul Molitor You got nothing. It just says Ploof and his wife Olivia were married at Pepperdine University's Stoffer Chapel. They have two children. This is all true I mean, do you do I definitely that like aren't you like not supposed to update your own? I don't I don't know how it works. Or are you saying I need to like get in this in trouble. Yeah You just just feed them a line like mix it up a little bit may or may have not done drugs with Paul Molitor Myself from some Houston fans. Yeah, they'll come after you now I'm gonna name this video Ploof wants Houston banned for life I'm pretty sure I raked in Houston, too Now I can't say these things to me because now I have to go look into that Jake knows this about me This is a this is what the Houston fans don't understand. I like I'm kind of nervous now that I said that you're nervous about this one because you said it about Yankee Stadium At minute made 271 batting average 741 OPS. So it's not great. Okay, you're I need some homers there career 707 OPS versus the Astros Okay, so I'm sorry Your best stadium was a Colorado. No Chicago Cubs put on a show Oh against the Cubs, I guess not That's wrong. Anyway, because you were you were the best against the Padres. Congrats. That's all I need to look up with some of these stats Yeah, Bruce. I know I know this Bruce Chen was my guy like if I have to like go He was my guy. So all right, well, we'll end this and then I'm gonna look up your stats first Bruce. Yeah Thanks, right. Yeah, Ploof will be on. He's gonna become a regular. It's gonna be a lot of fun We're gonna have a we're gonna line some things up figure out what we want to do but Say hi to Ploof and don't say bye yet, but thanks for coming on Jake. Give us that ending you always give us I just Ploofed my pants. That's terrible And there you have it the Ploofster a full hour covered everything did not answer Jake's steroid question but I mean Seems like a pretty open book. Good guy. We're a fan. No, I said we're saving that for next time And yeah, it was it was just really big of Trevor to admit that everyone in Major League Baseball thinks he has a hot wife Like I'm glad I'm glad he could come on here and really just be open with us on that It was nice of him, you know, I mean some guys would take that to their grave Yeah, like you should hear When I was in high school man the compliments I would get about my group of friends Jimmy hangs out with the coolest people and I was always too embarrassed to let others know Yeah, I don't know what that was I thought you're about to make a joke about your sister being hot because that was your go-to in high school But yeah, Trevor Ploof's a friend and He's gonna be doing a lot more stuff with us and we're excited for that Yeah, and now we're done with the episode You