 Welcome to Toffy TV, mewn baz at the pleasure last night to go to the gala premiere of Howard's Way, the new fantastic film by Rob Sloman, all about Everton between 1983 and 1987, with a little bit of 60s thrown in, a little bit of 70s thrown in, just to give you the feel of it, just to help understand the story. First of all, your thoughts on the film itself? Amazing, absolutely amazing. Emotional, frustrating and amazing. Amazing twice? It was amazing twice because it was everything that I remember as a kid in the 80s of growing up and then, but also how close we were to being unreal and claiming everything and that was the thing that was for sale. I thought as a film it worked really well, really well-paced, skips along nicely, sometimes it skips on too nicely, but what you've got to remember is it's not a season review video, it's a story about the time and about what Howard Kendall put together and the plays involved and it is in a season review video. It's not going to show you every goal of every game, it's going to show you goals that meant something or a story builds up to, so don't expect to see every single goal from every single game, it's a story of how this all become, so I think that's important to know. And there was moments where you're like, I wish they would have showed that goal, I wish they would have showed that goal or a bit more of that, but the point is it isn't a season review video. It is very touching, there's a lot of moments, especially the Colin Harvey moments are really really, because obviously someone was so close to Howard Kendall and that's good, but also the way people talked about Colin Harvey as well, because I think it was massively important, the sound bites from people like Mick Lyons I think were really important as well, just to get an understanding of the frustration. Obviously Dave, Dave Feely, was like the fans narrator all the way through it and I spoke to Dave afterwards and he was like, oh I didn't expect to be in it that much and I was like yeah but you're the through line, you're the fans, you're the eyes and the ears of the fans in it and sometimes what happens in things, especially documentaries is you move away from a central theme and suddenly you're getting, you don't get a consistent story, so that was important. What I thought was very very surreal by the way was I sat next to Jimmy Ball, Alan Ball's son for the entire thing and we were chatting and stuff, big, big, big, big, big, big, big. I said I didn't know he was that much of a blue, I knew he was a blue, but I didn't know he was that much of a blue since I was, and what was strange was there's a sequence in the film which was about his dad and I'm sitting next to him thinking, what is this man thinking? Dave is part of that story and your son's playing Dave and I was like what a weird set of events this is, and I just sat down and Jimmy Ball just happened to sit next to me, he was looking for somewhere to sit as I was and we just sat down and he sat next to me. I thought what a weird set of events this is, sometimes life is weird in fiction at times, but no, you're right, it does pull on the hard strings, but also just a really good narration on the city at the time. Keith Mullin has done an absolutely fantastic job with the music and what's so good about it is that there's a bit where you just want the music to continue and it drops out very quickly, so Keith has done the music really. It just reminds me at times, it does remind me at times of some of those video compilations where you just get a little clip, a little snippet of what and then it brings you back into the story and I really enjoyed it. But as you said, it's frustrating as well. It is, I mean you write the start of it, builds you up nicely and obviously you're saying it's surreal. You want to sit there and watch your lad running down the street and everyone's watching it on a big screen. Because Robert asked me when he was in here a few weeks ago and he said do you want to sit a bit with Drachen and I was like nah, I'll wait. I'm glad I have my dad next to me, so that was quite emotional for the both of us. That was quite emotional for the both of us and obviously I was there when we filmed that. But I was talking to Robert and he had the camera man, he had to sprint after Zach with the camera which was brilliant. And also things never look like you think. We were, there's a lot of the film is, well there's drone footage of Goodison from all different angles and when you see it placed in it and how it is actually a really clever shot where the drone looks around the field and you'll understand it if you watch it. But we were there that entire day at Goodison Park when he filmed that. We were in the executive box and we were there the whole day and we were in the company of Peter Reed and Andy Grain, Grain Sharp and Pat Van Denau and it was a surreal day. It was a surreal day and in the film the footage that they captured is about a minute and a half of the film. Or two minutes, it's tiny. But the drone footage is used all the way through. And we watched them and we even, I think we even spoke to the pirates didn't we? It was a couple, married couple. And they were like, yeah we charge X amount on them. Because when you watch the film there's a lovely piece where they come over the Gladys Street and they pull back from the stand to reveal the Howard Kendall stand. And you think when we were watching them and they had the little remote controls and you think these two people are just flying and you think the skills unbelievable. That's why they do that as their job. You know the siren and then Zedcast. You know that Robert had that bit of footage with the siren and Zedcast about a month before Everton decided to do it. So when Everton done it, it was a bit like, it goes a bit like now it's actually, it works even better now because we do it at the ground. But when you hear that siren and then Zedcast and you see the Howard Kendall, it is, you just go. And it makes you realise like, like Bramley More will be amazing and real fun. It makes you realise what a special place goes and is for us as Everton. So, I mean, what I loved about it as well was, I loved about how genuine the players were and how much they loved each other to this day or so that last night at the gala, how much they loved each other. The respect. And there was no what was respect for what I loved though. I loved the respect that everybody played to Kevin Richardson and Alan Harper and everyone was like, they were out, without them. I mean, Neville always says it, without them too. We've got nothing because they're the soldiers, they're the people who come and fill in. They all played in big games, they both played in the semi-final against Bayern Munich, Kevin Richardson played in the FA Cup final against Wofford. They were massive, massive players and they're not players that you ever hear about anymore. I mean, obviously Kevin Richardson went on and won the title with Arsenal and nearly won it with Villa as well. People forget that and then, but I always never, I always, because I was younger at the time. A nice was he by the way. Both of them were so nice. Alan had known Alan for years and Alan Harper has never changed, I love him. And you know what really, what great about Alan Harper is he's so unassuming. To be fair, most of them are really this big person. Kevin Richardson was so, I think he was in awe. He was in awe of the attention. People like people want this. And you know what, it's not annoying and it's not annoying by the way, it's not annoying. But the same people always get credited. Well, the whole team gets credited of course. What I mean is that only certain people sometimes get wheeled out when it comes to this team. And that's no fault of their own. It's because a lot of them are local people. And it's when you have nights like that and you have the likes of Paul Braishwell, in the film people are like, this fella was absolutely amazing. Absolutely amazing footballer. You've got people like Richardson and you've got people like Alan Harper. And you never really, they're never around the club. So you never sort of get that link with them. And they live somewhere, they imagine Alan's probably still local. Alan's local. Alan's always been around. He's never moved. He was in Egbeth when I was a kid. He went down and I'm a cat, he lived in the same house. True story. Some people will forget Alan was that. He was a good coach at the club as well. I used to play in the staff team with Alan after on a Friday night. He was a footballer. But they're funny. But also they don't assume and he wouldn't make it a cup of tea. It's the kind of thing that you wouldn't see. He's the kind of fella that loves to get in here and have a good chat with. He's just getting them. He's got his numbers. And Kevin Richardson was like very, you know, it was. I did see a couple of tears in their eyes of a few players. It wasn't just them, I seen Trevor Steven. And this Trevor's like a bit, he's an agent. Been an agent for years. Very, very smart man. He says that in the film. He knows what he is. Very clever man, very smart man. But I've seen a little bit of emotion in him last night. It must be unbelievable for them not to come back. I mean I said, done a bit with Kevin Richardson. He'll go out, yeah. He'll go out and say, oh, I have a son. One sublu. You know, on my never Tony. Paul Bracewell said exactly the same thing. Brace is where it's Sunderland. Being at Sunderland, play for them and everything. And he was like, oh never Tony. And that kind of thing makes you go, wow, but when you see them all together. We had a Degtsy and he's Degtsy's lovely. Derek Manfield is like, he's my uncle but he's just a great fellow. He never changes. There's no science to him. Ond efallai e'n meddwl ond e'n gweithio ychydig, efallai efallai e'n meddwl yn amlwg ffysg. Ond e'n gwneud hynny i gyd wedi'i gael gwybod gafnu'r uchyd arall. Ond efallai efallai efallai efallai efallai efallai efallai ei fod yn fawr. Gh wiringwch hyn yn fawr o'r rôl chyquodol i'n gwneud. So am ydych chi'n meddwl i'w meddwanol fel ddweud, wedi cael ei gennym yn gwahbeth ar meddwl, ma'r pethau sydd wedi bod yn gwahanol, sydd oedd i'r gwahanol yn ydych chi'n meddwl. Fe fyddwn i'r gwahanol wedi'i geadig. ac bod buyd hynny'n meddwl i wneud, ond iddon yn cael ei amser i'ch gymryd a'i gydag. 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You just put a side, you know what? You just say to… ya'n ownedus of favour. Don't make sure that I'm not doing a bit with that person. When we take a picture, I'll stand the other end and we move on. You have your own circles. Davis sent a film here that you've� thiala Felly, fel y gallwn iawn i yma'r arfer oedd yn hynny, oes i'n ddim yn cyflaenio hynny. Daoswn i'r union sydd yn gymryd, ond mae'r llwy stations yn ystyried mewn llwy, ond mae hynny'n gyflwynt y bryd, felly ddim yn llwy wneud, ond mae'n trwy deitwyr y mae'n ystod ar eich tyfnod o'r cyflwynt. Mi'n meddwl yn fwy o gweld eich sydd. A'n mwy oeddd i'r conocerio. Rym ni'n meddwl, mae'n meddwl eich sydd. Ond ein popol of yn gyfleoedd y llwy, Diolch chi ddim yn ddod. Yn ddych chi'n gwybod i gael y cyffredinol, yn ei wneud y ffordd. Yn y gweithio'r ffrindwyr, ond mae'r cyffredinol, ac mae gennym yn gweithio'n gweithio. Erwed gan ymddir iawn, mae'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio'n gweithio. Mae'n ddod diwrnod, ond roedd y gallwn yn ymddir i gael y ffordd. Yn ddod, y ffordd y gallwn gweithio'n gweithio, yna… Mae'n ibod, mae'n ibod, mewn gwirionedd, mae wedi'i'n ibod i ffiylltafodd y ffilm. Mae'n ibod i'w wneud y 11 leegol o'r ffordd ac rydw i'w ddechrau ym Mhwy. Yn ymwy fydd yw'r ffordd, mae efallai'n gweithio'r adithau'r ynglyn o'r ymddangos, mae'r ffordd yn y gwlad yma, mae'n ibod i'n ibod iddo. A'r anhygrif yn gwisio'r adithau'r adithau'r anhygrif yma, Y byddwn i'n cael ei rôl, Andy Gray's big part, does Andy Gray be comfortable, he doesnt ni get in and things. No, exactly. That's it, and you're right. But there was a couple of moments in it that I thought were really important. Colin Arvy talking about standards, being a winner every day in training, except the nothing less. Colin Arvy, I've had personal experience of training with Colin Arvy when I was at him. Ruthless, I was terrified of him. Colin probably couldn't do that now. No, he couldn't, but he wasn't even. Can't even do that now. Now you're right, but it was levels, and you know why? He was still brilliant, he was absolutely brilliant, so he must have been. He'd have been like, whatever, late 40s or something, whatever. Absolutely brilliant, I remember him saying, our Kendall, when he'd become in as the player man. We were like, no, he was the best player on pitch. And when you've got someone who's got standards up there, and has done it, and can prove it, and all that, as a player. Never South Wales said yesterday on this couch. He said on the thing, he said, if an Everton needs to define a player, and go, this is what it is to become an Everton player. And he said, the one person I would use is Colin Arvy. So I thought that was really important, and I also thought at the moment, that other people will know about Andy Gray coming in, and Peter E coming in. Leaders in the dressing room, proper leaders. Gary Stevens is saying this in it, and Trevor Stevens is saying it. They were all young, they were all young, and they needed, they just needed someone in the battle with them. Trevor actually said, he said, I was a bit worried, because I thought, I didn't talk for six months, because I thought, I'd be, did take the mic on all that, he said, but he didn't. And then when they have those moments where, you know, they say, when we wanted to play, we played, we needed to fight, we fight. When those moments come, they were all there for each other, and those players would jump in. Kevin Sheary. Fair play to him. He said, all those players would jump in. And then, you know, you added the likes of Path Van de Nhau, who, you know, is a... Like the Mestran tackle path, didn't he? Oh my God, those two tackles were amazing. That's second one. First thing, I was just thinking, I'll show this to a certain Everton captain. Oh, that was naughty. No, you can't do stuff like that any more, but it was stuff... It was like, what about Wackley's? But it was just stuff, and it was just like... Just like... Not that I like, I want that generation, but I just want that attitude. I want that attitude. I want that attitude. There was a name that popped into me, I had immediately that place with Evan at the moment where I just went, yeah. No, well, I did think, and I did think, you know what, it isn't always on the manager. It's up to the plays. It's up to someone in the club, one of the plays, to just go... It doesn't matter who the manager is. This is us. We do this for us. And I know Nef preaches that quite a lot. And there are different things about football, but sometimes footballers are just going to go, well, what do we want? What do we want to do? What have I said to you, and lots of times and to other people we've had them, is that when you have a game of 40, it doesn't matter if you're playing in the Premier League or you're playing in Sunday or Saturday or a Thursday night with your mate when you're not getting shout at that, or shouting at other people, right? Is that when you go out to play, it doesn't really matter what's going on? Standards. Exactly your own standards, right? So if you've got a lad on the line going, well, you know, drop it, you're going to be going, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you're playing to your standards, right? So if Evan or any footballer has a level of space in particular as well at the moment, the way things are going at the moment, right? The best teams will go out and play to their stand because it's about them. The manager's great, but he's not playing the game. It's about them and this team. When you're at them talking again, they love Kendall, they love Harvey and all that, but more importantly, it was on each other. They loved each other, but it was on each other. You've seen it in the film, they're going, you've seen Trevor Stevenson, he'll buy me another. He said Peter Rage screaming at him. He said, I couldn't hear because of the crowd, but I know looking at his face. He's like, I'm playing crap. And the final point I would say, you know, you say being winners, players doing it, knowing what they've got to do, but the other one was Kendall himself. Kendall was had, you know, and I've seen this a few times, Kendall was a man who they all loved, but they were a little, I wouldn't say they were a little bit scared of him. They respected him to the point where if they knocked on the door and they said, why aren't I playing? And Harper and Richardson both said this and he went, because of this, he just went, okay. Because that was it. He was the manager. He was the manager and he was always consistent. And he did things the right way. So therefore, when he made the decision, everyone just respected his decision, whether it meant they played in the team or not, they just went, fine, you're the manager. And that was it. He went away and just trained his hard. And the reason that he gave will be the reason why they would get in the team. And actually, as critical as I've been about the current manager, that's something I think he does tend to do, is the training and things have come up this week. But the training wise, the training wise is all about standards and levels. And I'm not, listen, I'm not for one minute sitting and going, it's all going to turn around. I'm just sitting here saying, if you're going to take things from this film is, you've got to have winners and leaders. And your manager's got to be whatever I say, that's where it stops. And that's it. And I think you've got those things in place. Other things can fall in place. I think if you haven't got those things in place, it'll never fall in place. Of course, it's like anything good. You've got to have standards, anything you do. You've got to have... We do this, we try to do the best we can do it. You're always looking to get better if you're a footballer or a fella working in an offer show. And you just want to go in and do enough. You're never going to improve. But if you never sell to all the final thing I'll say just on the players' desires, he would get in at eight o'clock and dive around in the samples. Then he'd come train and then he'd come do other stuff. And then he'd cycle on. And then he'd exactly go to that and get the train. Now, other players, I feel now, modern day players, it's just doing enough. He said himself, it's those players, why don't they want to be the very best they can be. And it's all on them. But as a film, it's a great story. If you can see this, I don't know whether it'll be available to see in cinemas, but if it comes... It's a fact all week. I don't know if there's any more Q&As planned in the future. Hopefully Rob, if Rob is watching this, this will be something Rob looks to do in the future. And again, it won't be easy. But if there are opportunities, because this is a story from a time, so if you can get those players. But please, please, please, if you're watching this, if you're a Nevitonian, buy this for yourself. Buy this for whoever made you an Nevitonian, whether it be your dad, your mum, your nan, your granddad, your sister, whatever. Buy it for them. And as you've got younger siblings who are Nevitonians, buy it for them and show them that this is whatever it's all about. Buy it for your kids. It really is. And anyone out there going, we've got to leave this behind. We've got to move on. No, we can't ever move on from this. You can't ever move on from this because this is the standard. This is the most successful Neviton team ever. So, therefore, this is the standard that I hold evidence to. So, when I go, we should be doing this. It's because this is my standard. This is my bar. Listen, it's available, right? It's available, like, on the Sky Store. It's available on Amazon. It's available on loads of different places. This is the download, DVDs. But get the DVD because the DVD's got loads of extras on it. And it's got, like, half an hour edits of highlights of the five New England Manchester United, and you ain't gonna find that anywhere. So, check it out. Make sure you get it. It's an amazing film. Thank you, Rob, for making it. Very proud of you, and very proud of Dave as well. Thanks for watching Toffy TV. We'll see you later.