 it's not I'm ignoring you. It's just I'm looking at what people are writing. No problem. All right. I think we're live. Let's see here. Hold on. Yeah, we should be live. There we are. Yeah. Yes, sir. Look what I'm wearing. Nice one. We could dance if we want to. And we're talking about this before. Hold on. We got I got to be here. And we're talking about this before. Men Without Hats. Friend of the band. Long history. Long history. Yeah, actually a way played in the band for a while. The drummer of Voivod played in Men Without Hats for for a tour and on an album. Yeah, I was like every time we go to Victoria, he comes to the show and we have a good time. I was at the Fufun Electric when when away was playing drums with Ivan when they're the launch. There was a launch party. I don't know if you were there or not. There was a launch party for the album Sideways. I was not there. And Doe Boys was playing the guy from Doe Boys was playing guitar away was playing drums Ivan and his brothers were singing you know playing guitar and I think me too was there. Yeah, okay. And I think they did a version of Bye Bye Monkey Boy hilarious. That's cool. All right. Here on the show today, we're not talking about men without hats, but we're talking about Voivod. Yeah, chewy. Good old Danny from Montreal or Greater Montreal, Quebec. Some first things first. There's this live stream that's going on. Yeah. Two of the most iconic albums. Here's one of them. There it is. There it is. The two of the most iconic Voivod albums, the band's best known for their probably the there's a lot of great work but not to say that your album that you're on the wake wasn't excellent but these are two iconic legendary sort of albums right we'll say totally on let me just get the date here on June May May 30th at 4pm nothing face brought to you by Heavy Montreal, right? Yes, you're gonna you guys are gonna tell me about what you're gonna do on May 30th. Well, we had this idea for a while but never actually did it and I think the context made us think about doing it and you know playing the whole album the whole nothing face album and I kind of grew up listening to the album I was like maybe 12, 13 years old probably 13, 14 year old when it came out in 89 and I remember the launch party at Music Plus you know kind of MTV. Yeah, everybody who don't know Music Plus and much music were the Canadian version of MTV. Yes, exactly. So there was a party and they played live in the studio. I think they were the first band to play that station live as a band you know and all that and they play new songs and I don't think the album was out yet so I remember recording you know on a VHS cassette when it when it happened and I watched it over and over and over and over again because the album was not out yet and I prepared myself because a few maybe not even a year later they played my hometown Trois Riviera and I was 13 or almost 14 and I went to that show it was my first metal show that I went to and it changed my life really you know to see my favorite band I knew them since Killing Technology I you know I enjoyed and really thought there was something very unique going on you know different kind of playing you know all the other bands were like and Piggy would play stuff like that you know or strange chord like that and it was very very different the singing as well and the concept and the imagery so it was like an imaginary world you know that you were sucked in when you watch the video or listen to the music it was kind of a journey so Nothing Face was an album that I've listened to a lot and it's probably one of their most technical songwriting wise and you know playing and and all that and it's a concept album as well so it was kind of we haven't played together since the last 10 months so we had to do our all works individually and get together to rehearse like very intensively for a short period of time so yes is this the first time you did Nothing Face you're going to be playing it all the whole album start to finish yes and I think there are songs that was never played live by the band before so only 32 years ago when they recorded it and that's it that's it so it was a challenge for everybody to learn or relearn some of the songs of course some of the songs I've never played before but uh luckily I wrote these stop books so me and Rocky could you know dig in Rocky must have a really good time learning all this stuff yes actually he's one of his favorite favorite album and and he was there at the same show than me uh is he from Tauari Vieira also yes yes we didn't know each other at the time but yeah he uh he was there too so uh for him I think he actually very early when he was in the band like five years or almost six years ago he he he learned the whole Nothing Face album just for fun so yeah yeah you know okay so everybody so they know the story of Nothing Face is this guy who doesn't have any arms doesn't have any legs doesn't even have a mouth and he's sort of suffering it's sort of like a psychological suffering right that he's going through and it's a loose concept so again if you know more about the story than I do go right ahead I don't know more than you actually because I was always drawn into the music side and back in the day I couldn't speak a word of English so reading the lyrics didn't really make sense unless I you know write down and look in the dictionary and all that so I was always focused on the music more than anything of course a few sentences here and there the choruses and you know some some of the lyrics kept you know stayed in my mind but even to this day I didn't do that homework but uh yeah I I you know away snake told me about about it and they were really deep into concepts and and stories so uh very intricate stuff yeah so paranoia schizophrenia depression those are like the three main topics of the album and I could tell you a little bit about it just so everybody understands because the more you learn about what the story is about the more interested you become into the album right that's right so that's the general theme there's no like dimension hatred so what we'll talk about in a minute that was more of a concept album this is more of a concept of songs but sort of one so for those of you don't know Voivod from the beginning every album was like a journey of Voivod the protector of what's what's the uh the the word there the the gall cargo morgoth morgoth morgoth the protector of morgoth so it's it's Voivod's journey and I think after nothing face is where it ends there with the story kind of ended there so anyways for those of you who want to look at the lyrics very introspective we'll say in English and tell me about this how difficult like okay you speak English pretty well but I mean how no no you speak pretty well like my French compared to your English is great okay I learned it on tour actually how is it and and I was like even a way I asked him and snake I asked him I mean it must be so hard to sort of express yourself in a second language it's hard even though I think it's harder to speak it than to understand it because we've been I mean I've watched you know cartoons when I was a kid and Sesame Street and stuff like that so I kind of learned like that but when I was on my first tour with Gorgots in 2000 I remember I realized I couldn't speak I understood pretty much all that we're seeing around me but I couldn't speak but when you write lyrics because I used to write lyrics in martyr you have time to think about it you have friends or you can you know reach help is it is it okay to say that and sometimes it's it turns out a funny way of saying things that's very interesting I think in the early Voivode albums some some of it is kind of very original because of of the they were French speaking first language is still to this day but I mean it it's it's an originality that's part of the band as well well even guys who write English lyrics sometimes doesn't make sense right I mean sometimes you're looking for inflections or just a sound right so even if you're writing French like lyrics I'm sure I'm sure there's bands they probably don't make sense either they're looking for more of a an attitude a tone a sound right but I I've always always thought that it must be so hard to like play in a band where your first language is not the dominant yeah it must be really hard it's hard for the pronunciation to and the rhythm the natural rhythm of the world like the tonic accent like you said and it's a it's a it's a learning process really I remember really listening to my my own voice on martyr records and now I'm like oh why did I say that like that but at the same time it's it's original it's it's honest you don't say you know Max Cavallera by example has an accent a different accent and uh you know German singer or but that's part of the color of the band you know I agree I agree and you know what I always liked that about snake he had that little accent there and it made it different you know that's true and it made it different and and and by thinking even when you're thinking of music and again I'm just stop me if I'm talking too much but even when you're thinking about music by changing the your regular regular ideas to another language you're creating something new in a way you know that's becoming more original I don't know if that makes any sense I mean I think the language has a big impact on how you create music you know because that's the first music you learn it's how to speak so uh the rhythm the the lyric quality you know singing quality of it will affect the way you play will affect the way you write and of course if you learn different language uh along the way you'll add it up to your musical vocabulary of course but but the the most imprinted one is the first one that you speak so yeah if you have questions in French and take French questions all right okay but but we'll we'll I'm not sure if there anybody is but if anybody is okay uh let me ask you about the atmosphere of Nothing Face like what what's the difference between that album and dimension hatros what is the difference you know in terms of tone in terms of the way the album sounded I think Nothing Face was dimension hatros was written on tour basically because they were touring non-stop at that time and they had to write albums on tour because when they go back home they had to go to the studio again and record the whole thing I think they were actually already in Germany on tour when they went to the studio in Berlin for recording dimension hatros and for Nothing Face for what I've I know or what I've been told is that they rehearsed like crazy like every day and they had Glenn Robinson as a producer and he was there and he was very picky about the takes and the tempos and changing drum ads at each song and uh so they became like a very tight machine very and they they didn't use any clicks on that album but they could have because when you listen to it you know it's it's very you know it's like a click it's it's it's it's very well played and there's a lot of intricate part and dialogue between you know bass and guitars and even you know of course vocals and uh the the production of Nothing Face is crystal clear it's crisp and you can hear everything perfectly dimension hatros as a different kind of ambience not the same producer it's chaotic a little bit more chaotic more reverbs you know more uh more effects uh intros out chose you know samples and stuff like that so uh and it's kind of a continuity the whole album it's like a story really and what they did as well on dimension dimension hatros is that they use riffs from previous song and latter songs because riffs are like characters so they use the composer device like a melody or a riff becomes a character and you can't exploit it in different songs to identify with the story you know and that's stuff that you know great movie composer would do like john williams or you know naren bernstein and guys like that or even you know vacna in his music so i think it's very very very interesting to to see that kind of things were used to to make the genre name even more interesting yeah yeah here's a here's a question the craft work there's so many i can't and and this would be in english which is your favorite voivod song and i'm just pick one well i can't i can't i can't say to play so nothing face after that dimension hatros okay on nothing face my favorite to play uh would be pre-ignition i think it's a very it's the one this one is there's a lot of dissonance in it a lot of tempo change odd odd time signature everything that i love in voivod is in that song you know i i just love the friggin on dimension and and what and and nothing face i just love the friggin the diminished chords and the suspended chords and he's just going all over the fretboard yes it's just it's just incredible and those people who don't get voivod that's what's so special about the band is is the it's like you said you're not just doing the palm muting stuff and you know just the chug jugs yeah he's all over the place it's it's you know seeing fingers moving on the neck is very exciting it's like looking at a drummer moving his arms so it's very impressive but the subtleties in the music of voivod are not in moving the finger fast or you know doing abcrobacy but it's playing the chords right with with very strange notes so you have a lot of dissonance you have to play in a certain way to make the chord uh shine to so to speak and it's it's easier to make power chords sound great very easy but when you go like that and if you bend the string a little bit you're far you know so and just so everybody knows you're you do do you do lessons online for people around the world yes you do lessons yes i have a website danmanguin.com and i teach online i have i have students in norway syria san francisco uh texas kebek joliet moria so it's very interesting because people call me to have uh more knowledge about their instrument theory they know i've studied music so it's it's very exciting because i don't have necessarily to teach a song or how to play this lick i do you know from time to time but most of the time is really to dig deep into how the guitar works how the strings and the frets and mapping the net the the neck so to speak so you can see your neck and if you're playing the key you see some consolation shining you know and then you change key you you see other consolation am i am i the gamma of notes so to speak yeah yeah no no it's it's pretty amazing okay so let's get back to uh dimension dimension dimension my favorite song on dimension like your favorite song yeah uh i really really really like to play the opening track which is uh experiment this is amazing i really love that intro and then when the vocals after the break come in it's uh the riff is so amazing and that's a good example of what piggy was a master at lots of open string dissonance you know and there's a lot of harmonics like they're born out of thin air you know if you if you play there's not a lot of harmonics but if you play when it's tuned there's a lot going on there's a lot of exponential harmonics creating like it's an explosion of sound really yeah so that's what i really like and all these high pitch chords there's nothing like it you know what so like i watched your live stream that you did now it's almost a year right yeah uh august last year ten months yeah almost a year yeah it's almost a year that's the last time we talked and time flies when you're locked down time flies so i and i'm gonna tell everybody right now like i was really really impressed you know i the quality was there the energy was there i guess you guys haven't really played together live so it was this this certain energy and and and this is why i'm kind of looking forward to this is because okay these albums are old now these albums are what uh 88 89 yeah 32 33 years this is sort of gonna re sort of make these albums with you and sort of refine them and get more refreshed give them a sort of a new a new dynamic i think so yeah that that's pretty exciting you know because uh i think for me those album was were pretty avant-garde you know the they were ahead of their time you know and they were so ahead that they became marginal in the marginal you know style of music general of music and maybe now people are more ready to hear that you know i always like voivod since the first album you know in munch y'all you know i followed the band it's because everybody was going this way and they're going this way and you get hard of hearing the same old hard rock metal and then when you you're kind of like it's refreshing to hear another angle that's what i always liked about the band yes and and i think and i'm going to tell you you being in the band could not be a more perfect guitarist to sort of continue you know and evolve you know i think you know and i'm not just saying that you're probably one of the most underrated guitarists in north america well it's very flattering yeah very flattering like i really do mean that because your guitar tone is like off the charts when you're playing it's like oh my god it's like anyways i'm excited to hear dimension and nothing face with your your sort of input in there are you gonna be changing a little bit are you gonna well what are you gonna be you know i'm like obviously the band now we've been touring and and writing albums and and lps and working on new stuff right now as well we have a solid chemistry and it it started pretty quickly with rocky being in the band he's a badass bass player he has a very talented tones great he plays very precisely you know so of course it's not the same band as it was 30 years ago but that's the prison time band that's the chemistry that we forged together that's that's the team now and and in all respect for what was recorded we we're gonna play you know the most close the closest possible way to what was played on the albums of course but we i cannot change the way i play i play the way i play yeah actually i i i think run rocky and i modified our playing a little bit to to come close to this kind of vibe and feeling that voivod is but we still as individual musicians have our own colors so you can hear it when we play as well but i think in respect for the music every notes every little accents you know we try to to replicate i think it's accents and inflections i don't know what the word inflections in french is yeah yeah that's the difference like you're putting your own little accent your own inflection and that's what's giving it some new life i guess so yeah yeah i mean you know and let's face it this was probably recorded like you know for five thousand dollars you know tops right back then i would guess i would guess you know the energy was there the songs were there but you could see that the production it wasn't a big budget but now you can reproduce this excellent album with today's technology and that's the thing is that we we are with francis perron at francis perron yes he recorded the wake he recorded post society everything we do now we do with him and and so during rehearsal he makes sure that every tone every you know sound miking engineering mixing preparing so the sound is amazing when we played the first streaming show you can tell there's there's someone behind the board you know because it's not like a concert in a hall or a venue or anything it's more like a studio vibe but with a live feel to it of course because we play live so it's like you say it's gonna it's gonna bring a little bit of a new sound to the to the albums and that's and that's production you never got and the production they never got i guess so yeah it's different you know not uh you know i i still listen to those album because i don't play on it that's why i have the right to and uh i think they they get how do you say in english they get they mature very well yes yes they they mature like fine wine yes i think so and uh still there's qualities to those mixes and qualities that you cannot you know maybe i'm nostalgic a little bit when i listen to those album but we all i wouldn't change anything on the production of those albums yeah okay so for everybody who doesn't know this is the fourth album by the band right it was released in on june 29th 1988 that's how long ago it's been on noise records and it is a full concept so from start to finish there's a storyline to it don't ask me to uh say the whole story but i'll tell you as much as i know it's a tale of the voivod character being immersed in a society of totalitarian rule where the citizens are brainwashed and forced to lose all individuality it kind of reminds you of today you know in the whole world right 1984 and that's right and and you're talking about technocratic manipulators that just today right that's just kind of like you know our chaos mongers you know our chaos mongers or so i recommend everybody put this album and follow the songs because it tells the story of today in a way right a lot of conspiracy theories about today and it's still relevant that's what i'm trying to say i think so and more than ever and it's pretty freaky you know it's freak out because bands in the 80s started to talk about stuff like that because of cold war and and what was happening then but it's all history repeating itself again so in a different way in a different way yeah okay let's look at some questions here jimmy agree daniel is a unique player like the guys in gore guts 2 they adapted that avant-garde style playing after the first two albums larry says killing technology is a top boycott album care to comment i love technology yeah it's the first time on my butt with my own money when i was 11 took my bike went to the store it was pretty far away i had paper boy money i went in and i bought killing technology cassette which i still have all right uh eric says piggy leads and daniel is the good disciple yeah i guess you put it like that you know of course i look yeah of course but you're your own person we shouldn't like that's how i was my master piggy piggy uh if piggy was not there i would not be there he's my probably my biggest music teacher you know when it comes to write songs in a certain way he was the biggest influence on my first band martyr i mean voivod was piggy as well and it was more about riffing and composing than his soloing i really liked his solos but i i'm not i'm not playing like that but the composing and the intricate intricacy of the band and the dialogue like i said between instruments that comes from progressive rock and classical and movie sound rack very intricate very well done um it always amazed me into this day and that's why i i wrote those books too because i wanted to the music i wanted it to be immortalized in a in a way in a different medium so you know if an alien comes here in two thousand years and a voivod yes voivod book okay what what are those codes you know maybe they'll discover something it's the sequence to the vaccine exactly june 27 is when you'll be doing the whole album of dimension are you gonna be playing just the album and other songs or just the whole album we're gonna play the whole dimension hate russ uh there's some version of the album with the extra or bonus track so you're gonna do batman thinking about it we'll see and this is it this is like the old school batman this is like did you have it did you have it on french tv batman oh yeah yeah i was a fan okay i was a big fan actually of the pow and bam but you know there was there was a translation of course but i couldn't tell when i was a kid the no no no didn't move at the same i used to be such a big batman fan of that we're talking about uh you know the first batman right yeah yeah yeah bam spow bam robin and the funny suits and oh it's great um adam west adam west that's what i was thinking about yeah adam west yeah uh what else we got here so we have the two albums you're not going to be playing like any other songs like you're not going to play voivod you're not going to play theorem killing technology angel rat nothing it's it's already a lot of work guys uh to relearn the songs you know uh you might think it's a repertoire of the band so it's easily it's easily uh you know done but it's a lot of work for everybody and we don't have access to a jam space uh easily uh since it's the context of the pandemic so uh you know we have to do it separately and gather together at the last minute and do it so uh yeah it's and we haven't played since 10 months you know so wow uh it's a lot of work and we want to do it well and deliver and in respect for the music for the people that played on on those album and for the fans of course that are uh you know they know the albums they know the songs and we want to to deliver it in a in a respectful way so everybody's happy all right martyr are the cds ever going to be released asks oh my am i uh martyr metal madness six six says are the martyr cds ever going to be released martyr cds and vinyls are on my website you can uh order them uh i take care of it personally so danmangrain.com and you can uh there's a bunch of you know cd collection vinyl collections dvd it's pretty much it and maybe i'll add some tab books in the future and i'll i check for merch but i don't have merch left so okay that's about the cds and vinyls craft work is saying dan can you please eventually play gas mask revival live so i that's hard so that's a jason newstead era yeah we actually uh we we rehearsed a couple of songs we played some songs on infini and katos when they were out uh and we rehearse i think uh we carry on but we didn't play it live and yeah that would be a good idea you know there's so much stuff you know after 15 or 16 albums that you have to pick up from so it's pretty difficult sometimes to to do a set list but yeah hopefully yeah i always thought carry on carry on that was that should have been a bigger song than it ever was like it never really wrote it should have been like a huge song that that's that's what i always thought it's very well there's no worship recipe for for getting huge or or something so well i mean maybe that's a song you guys can revisit you know live and you know get some i i think it'd be a cool song to play live like i don't know something like that yeah yeah no no it's an excellent song i always thought that song i i never i i think it was just about timing when jason used to do was in the band it was just basically bad timing you know the right song but in the bad environment you know it was it was who knows it's not the right song yeah it's hard to tell when it happens i guess you know years later you can analyze it but i'm trying to i'm trying okay so all right last time we spoke your text to me you're telling me we're in the studio so what's going on with the album now like the new studio album by voivo oh we're still in writing process you know things have been uh a little bit slower since we had to learn the whole albums again and uh so we're still sharing files and trying to to catch up you know and put more time to it so uh yeah we hope to go into the studio and start recording this fall but it you know again it's it's hard to tell uh i think the situation will get better and maybe we'll have the chance to meet more often and jam together that's where the magic happens usually but we've learned to to to to uh to work in this context as well and uh that's cool because uh i received a bunch of tracks from away with programming drums and logic with its computer and it sounded exactly like always playing you know that's good yeah i was super impressed because you know sometimes use a computer it kind of sounds square but i recognize is everything was perfect and so it's really fun to do it's a different way so we're gonna bring it different ideas i think if we uh welcome it on a creative in a creative is it moving forward though i mean the problem is yeah yes yes it's still uh early in the process but uh it's going it's going back to thrash or more like last album ah hard to tell at the moment i feel i feel the need personally i'm not talking on behalf of the band no don't worry it's just you and me here just you and me nobody else but i i think i i want to i don't know i feel like a little bit more trashy you know some dirtiness so to speak i agree i agree it's time for a little thrash yeah yeah i think you know complexity has always been you know part of my influence in songs writing and i don't know what's the problem with me but it's always there so i'm not worrying about that side but maybe a little bit less polished and more like more rock and roll i guess what about the voivod beer voivod beer is delicious do you have one there do you have one there no in my fridge but uh yeah hopfenstack brewery uh made it it's called lost machine and it's the same label as the live album it was brewed with rocks put it looks like this this is what the but but in a can right in a can yes exactly right and the story of lost machine is uh has to do with the rock that the character is going to throw into a reactor to explode the satellite and something like that crazy and so the the beer was brewed with the rock put in the fire and then put back in the how do you call it a mooh i don't mean i don't even know that's in english so the recipe so to speak of the barrel yeah a barrel it's a traditional way in germany they use because a wooden barrel you can't you can't put it on their fire you know over a fire because it's gonna burn so they use rocks they they put in the fire and then they put the rocks in the liquid so the liquid boils so that's just like rock beer this is like really rock beer it's perfect rock beer and it's very delicious it's easy to drink but it has a deep taste character and a little bit mineral you know it's a kind of a lager not so dark very very enjoyable in the summer or in the winter okay i know there's laws you know between the u.s and canada you can't import export beer but where can you pick up the beer in any you know specialized beer store uh there's some places in montreal and you know they can't find it in jean-quiat actually they ordered a bunch so if you have a local beer store you know specialized the panel or anything you can order it to them and they're gonna order it through the system and so can i pick up this beer in sasquatch one that's what i want to know i'm not sure outside of cobec can you get this beer i'm not sure about that i'm maybe on special order you know but i'm not sure it's mainly in cobec and there's importators possibilities of importing from the u.s or europe but now because of the situation it was difficult to you know they have already their own clientele you know customers and it's yeah yeah it's a little bit harder i i heard from do you think that they're gonna sort of try to go into different markets with the beer or is it just yeah yeah that was the that was the one of the goals you know because the last time when we did the coastlaco kluskappelkamm beer it was only in cobec again so yeah of course i would like the the beer to be available in chile or in germany or in the uk but let's see what the future will bring it's not easy i know that uh when you know when i talk to bands and whenever there's alcohol it's very difficult between countries to get it in unless it's a specialty store unless your megadeth or iron maiden you know and yeah you have to but even then it's not that easy it's still not that easy it's still it's because because there's there's liquor and tobacco treaties you know like in between nafta and and just it's just not that simple all right that's pretty much it so we talked about the new album we talked about the beer we talked about uh uh the two live shows yes so that's may 30th at 4 p.m you can pick up your tickets at voivod.com or .net i can't remember which one it was and the point mount and uh voivod you can find the link there and uh the important thing is that you have 48 hours to watch it so if you're not you know if you don't have the uh if you're not available while it happens it happens you can watch it later and so it's very important and uh there's family packs you can plug different you know a number of devices bring your grandmother yes exactly and uh yeah it's gonna be very very fun and uh good good sounding good ambience you know it's it's very very feels very good to play again you know uh together and so uh yeah it's very special it's very special it's part of the the band's iconic albums you know in the in the catalog so i i you know it's very surreal for rocky and me to play with voivod for a start it's surreal and uh we're really proud to do it and the way in snake are legends you know the band is legendary and uh it's it's just it's hard to start to put words for me but uh it's gonna be a very special event and to revisit these albums is like a dream come true really do you like when you're on the road and you're in i don't know you're in holland or you're all around the world and people know voivod is it just is it surreal to see that so many people from all around the world know the band it's and know the music it's such a unique thing traveling everywhere and there's diehard voivod fans there's not a lot it's not stadiums but there's they are everywhere and they all have the same love for the band and support for so many years and you kind of i can't have relate to that because i'm a fan first so it's very very special because i feel i'm one of them too and the connection is is very strong very strong and uh it we're so grateful we can do this and still you know traveling and meet the people and that's something that we miss so much you know traveling and meet the people everywhere and exchange with them because every show we go to meet our fans you know we go at the merge booth they want to make to they want us to sign some stuff or just take a picture and we every day we take the time to do that it's very important for us and it's totally surreal for me you know i'm pinching myself every day in the bus do you think the band's getting bigger today than it ever was it's hard to tell but there's a good follow-up i mean there's a good audience and i think we build up this audience in the past years because we toured a lot you know non-stop touring since i'm in the band maybe we slowed down uh when snake got sick around 2012 or so um for a short period of time but we built i think the how do you say it the base yeah the base back you know it's healthy now you know we know that when we go on tour we're there's going to be people we're sure of it and you know it's it's at the at the beginning it was kind of harder uh because the band had was not on the road since since a few years and all that yeah yeah yeah well you know uh i'm looking forward to this so again may the 30th nothing face june 27th you know it's interesting nothing face probably outsold dimension okay yeah but i think more people love dimension atras more than nothing face which is goes to show you that time people are catching up yeah you know that's cool that's cool it's very hard to choose anyway like probably all the fans will say or today it's going to be this album but tomorrow maybe it's the other one uh it's it's uh yeah it depends on how you feel i guess but uh depends on your day yeah what about the what about i keep thinking of stuff what about the documentary is that ever going to be released it's uh yeah yeah actually uh there's uh it just came out in the disheveled magazine uh i think today and uh philippe balcasa is working on it the same guy who did the death documentary yeah i think i met him yes very cool guy so he's working really hard on it and uh i think there's gonna be uh uh fun raising or you know some kind of to to help the movie to to be done because it takes a lot of you know money to to to achieve it and uh so uh i don't know where is that you know in the whole process and i don't know i don't really want to know no but i mean you've done your interview right you've done your part yes and there's more interviews to to be done you know it's not it's not over yet but uh he's working on it all right i mean i think i spoke to him two years ago and he's telling me he's working on it so every time i ask he's working on it yes it's it's that kind of project it can take years yeah you know and i think they started actually with sam dunn but in 2004 or something wow well sam dunn's been a busy guy i know he's exacting up on the triumph documentary okay that's gonna be cool yeah all right anything else you'd like to mention really i really invite everyone to watch the uh the live performance of uh of uh nothing face and Dimension Watros in June uh we really appreciate it support and uh enjoy the the show as much as i enjoyed we enjoyed playing it so and men without hats will not be performing there all right thank you so much uh we'll you know everybody you know it's always a pleasure talking to you dan always you know it's it's fun it's and you'll always learn something new all right my friend we will talk soon thank everybody for tuning in see you soon and i'll put the links in the video of this chat and everybody who wants to watch it again you could watch it again all right man bye