 Good afternoon and welcome back to the touchline on why 2-5 for my name is Max Oluwaseke. This is the big interview I was telling you about with one big man and the greatest soul on earth, Mr. Dev Etale. Foma football of course he featured for several clubs locally KCB, Kangemi FC and lately TASK FC under the tutelage of Foma a tactician for the national team Rambes Taz Jacob Ghostmule. Before heading overseas where he joined British Army and things happened as they happened and of course he's here to share his side of the story. Big man good to see you man long time. How have you been? Thank you for having me. I'm good. Good to see you man and how does it feel being back home? This time when I'm back home it feels a bit different because I came because obviously of the circumstances that happened to my best friend Kevin but sometimes I look at life in the sense that we cannot question what God has planned for us and I believe everything and everyone has its own time. Definitely. I'm reliably told that you traveled for 16 hours to be with the fallen soldier Kevin or PO. He was late to rest last weekend and you are by his bedside even the time he left us. How are condolences and sorry for losing our best friend? Yes thank you. It's a very sensitive topic for me right now. I don't think I want to go into details and speak about it because I also want to respect the family of course because they are also grieving and so many people are still grieving. So for me right now it's just praying for the family and just making sure that as we live as human beings that we do appreciate life and we just be positive in each and every day and everything that you do in life just make sure you live an impact. I think my brother has left a huge impact in the sense that from him not being here the love that has been shown to him has been extraordinary and he's really inspired so many people including myself. Wao. Good to hear and we hope that God will continue granting the family enough strength and fortitude to continue with standing with the big loss but away from that Dave maybe if you can just take us through. So Robert interview you sometime back alongside our former colleague Shiko Keitani when you were at Raraka I think just trying to catch up with your former team Task KFC but now of course you've done a lot of interviews locally and even overseas and people really want to hear your story. Just tell us what happened you are relating service to you know British Army you know Queen Elizabeth herself. What really happened during that Afganistan scenario? It was that day was quite the previous night we had a briefing and every night you're normally given a briefing on where you're going to go and patrol for the day. So we were given that briefing and we were actually being told that we are going to the Taliban stronghold in Afghanistan Helmand province and actually that night I didn't sleep because as a soldier when you're out there on operations with the kind of job that I was doing you're not supposed to sleep without your boots your trouser or anything on top with your weapon on your side because anything can happen anytime. Yeah full gear you're fully on. So actually that night I didn't sleep the way I was supposed to. I just had this weird feeling about the next day what was going to happen. Yes. As human beings sometimes you can tell when something is not right and you feel it inside your guts. Got that bug. Yeah you got that something is burning you inside. So that's where I was and we actually left for the patrol about six a.m. in the morning. We went to where we were supposed to be for the day as our operation and as we were there I was driving a vehicle it's called a jackal vehicle. So the vehicle itself it's an armored vehicle it's open at the top but we've got my commander who's on my left hand side who's got the light machine gun and we've got the heaviest machine gun at the back. So there we have the gunner and then we have two other people at the back. So we went to where we were supposed to be kajaki and we stayed there the whole day. But now when it was about half six in the evening my friend at the back he made a comment that he's quite bored and he needs some action. And we said to him me and my commander don't wish for something that you're not ready for. We didn't even finishing saying those words. The next minute we've been ambushed the Taliban are firing to where we were and I was the leading vehicle. So they were targeting us because I was carrying the captain who was the commander. And you know when you're in the war zone these Taliban and terrorists all they believe is taking out the leader of the group and it's me who was driving him. And from there my friend at the back he couldn't even cut the weapon to start firing because to suppress them so that we can look for alternatives on how we can leave the area. So I ended up had to leave my driver seat jump there push him to the side and start firing back because if I didn't react they were reacted. It would have been bad to us because the next vehicle which was next to us was about 50 meters away from us apart and we were only four vehicles and it was a mission of about 12 people. It was only patrol. Yeah and so the Taliban's were getting stronger and stronger so we had to ask for help and we got the help from the Americans who helped us using their jets to try and drop the bombs so that we can distract them for us to extract the area. So they did that so I drove for about 50 meters away from where I was and I drove over something called an IED and it improvised explosive device which was chained to four IEDs and from there I can't remember anything. I just found myself back in the UK in hospital unconscious. You usually see them on TV but for you you experienced it live. What a moving testimony man glad that you are here alive and you sharing your story and at least you inspiring someone who is watching. Now you ventured into motivational speaking overseas alongside your friends whom you survived together that particular situation. How has it been like? It's been amazing because there's nothing beautiful in life like using your story to inspire someone. There's nothing beautiful like using your story and someone is coming up to you to tell you that you've actually changed my life and for me when I'm back in the UK so far we've inspired more than 10,000 students and we do normally go to corporates as well. We go and speak to them and I believe in life everyone has a story and everyone can inspire someone. I always like saying that all of us that we can inspire someone. Sometimes it's just the way we are selfish that we want to be successful or to be in a state where we can do things but we don't want to share. And that's why sometimes I like saying that if you have knowledge and you don't pass it on it's not knowledge anymore. You know you have defied all odds thriving and succeeding overseas in whatever you are doing, whatever you are venturing and specializing into what has been the secret behind that. You believe that inability is not disability and that the biggest weakness a human being can have is bad attitude. That's because even as we are sitting here today, there are some people right now as we speak they are in hospital. There are some people who are in a coma. They don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. For me I only lost my leg and broken bones on my body. That's your picture on the screen? That's my picture, yes. So that's the vehicle that I was driving that day and that's the day that I got blown up actually. That's the same same day that I got blown up here. Easy man, easy. So you were telling us about your mandate right now, motivational speaking? Yes, so for me one thing that I always carry every single day is I've seen so many of my friends who are triple amputees, double amputees. They are in a very very difficult situation than I am. I always pray to God and I say to God that thank you for the way I am because my life is much better right now with one leg than the way I had two legs. And that's because I've learnt to appreciate life and the small things in life and I've adapted to make sure that I can use them to inspire someone. And that's how I look at everything. Case in point, back home now because when you talk about Kangemi, you played for Kangemi All Stars. Kangemi United. That's where I grew up, I used to play there also. You look at our case scenario here at home, you played football here. Do you first miss it? To be honest, I'll be genuinely honest with you people. I don't miss Kenyan football. I like that. I'm just going to be honest. I don't miss Kenyan football. And it pains me a lot that what we used to go through during my playing days is what is happening right now. Even worse. Yeah, even sometimes now I think it's even worse because if you try and look at the way our sports in general is being run in the country, there's no integrity. You need to have integrity in anything that you do in life for it to be successful. And that's why we are not being successful in anything that we do when it comes to sports wise. It's like even in general in life, if you don't have any integrity with yourself and you have that mindset of saying that you know what, I'm going to do things the right way to get to where I want to be. You won't be successful. And I think the problem that we have here in Kenya is we are trying to build a wall before laying the foundation, which is the brick. Yeah, true. Yes. And you find that we are trying to rush doing so many things at a go instead of taking step by step. And it's just like in general in life. Life is a process. Yes indeed. You know where you are yesterday is not where you are here today. And I think that's what we are lacking in our in our sports. And it pains me as a former footballer that I get so many messages from footballers telling me Dave, can you help me pay my rent? You know, can you help me come to the UK so I can join the British Army? Will you advocate for someone upcoming like William here to play football? Oh yes, you know one thing that I wouldn't like to do is to try and tell someone not to do something that they love. It's their passion. It's their passion. Someone like William if and other young footballers who are pursuing to be great footballers in the country, they need to realize one thing. For you to be successful, there are so many things that you have to deny yourself in life. There are so many distractions out here. I'll use the example like mine. I don't want to use someone else's example. For me it was the clubs, the distractions of alcohol, the distractions of things like Mira. When you take consuming those things and you're taking those things you're actually destroying your body. So when it's your time to go and perform, you're not performing. You keep on asking yourself, why am I not performing? And you start blaming other people instead of blaming yourself first because I've seen so many great examples here in Kenya. So many footballers are languishing in poverty. Why is that? Some even the guys you played with back then. Oh absolutely. Some of them even the ones that I played with when I see them I feel like crying. And that's because if you realize in our Kenyan game, in our football, there's no education on telling players how to invest. If you look outside the UK, when I first went to the UK I was playing for a semi-protein that was paying me 200,000 Kenyan shillings a month and we used to train three times a week. And the players there have already been taught on how to invest. We have someone who used to come and tell us how to use our money about education. And it's the same thing that I had both of you speaking here. Even if you're playing football, the future has to be made today. Absolutely. It has to be made today. It's just like the example that you've used here about Michael Olonga. He's bright upstairs but he's playing football. Look at this player who plays for Leicester City. Ndidi. Wilfred. The Nigerian. He's also in university. So many players in the APL actually go to school. And people don't know. There was a story about players who have gone to school and Kielini came on top. Got an MBA. Account economics. And people could not believe that. Kielini, the Italian defender of football. People thought that all the time is just football. All the time is just football. Got an MBA and people were like shocked. Company. Another player got an MBA. And they are still in football. And for us here, even those stories we don't want to give them out. Of those successful players. And that's what I was saying to you before. If you look at the leaders of our Kenyan game. For me, I think I can say everything that I want to say because it's good when we are honest with each other. If you look at the people who are running the football game today. And the people who ran football when I was still playing. There's no difference. It's still the same. Yes, there's no difference. It's still the same. How does a team, a national team go for the Africa Cup of Nations and yet players are complaining about allowances? In 2020 we are still talking about allowances. And the money was already disbarse. And the same players, they are scared of coming out publicly. Because maybe they will be tempted and they wouldn't get their sport back in the national team. We are mentally has already been put in that category. We had for the platform to complain. It's not used for them complaining. Because even back then during your time in the late 90s and early 2000s even the Musaotian went through that. They could not talk. They are talking now when they are retired. They could not speak. But even the captain Mugubi himself, all that exposure he had, he came out today with all those problems that were going on in camp. Yes, and that's because you can't blame the players. Yes, you can't blame the players. If a player doesn't decide to speak about what's happening. He's just trying to be professional. He's trying to protect his future. And you know, they believe, we all know that if you play for the national team obviously you get more money than sometimes some players get more money than the way they are getting in their clubs. So you can't blame them of not coming up and speaking about it but the thing that I would like to say and this is to the people who are running Kenyan football and sports in general. They don't have integrity amongst each other. And that's why I keep on saying this. Foundation is key in everything that we do in life. Right now if I say to you, you tell me if Kenya we have under 16, under 17, under 19, under 20, under 23 can you tell me if these categories of these age groups is running and they are being run well? Actually the case in Kenya, we have had that discussion very well. The case in Kenya at the moment it's more of a pilot project. It's not the way it should be done and how it's done outside there. You get that they selected kids of under 13, under 17 and put them in one particular place which many people will not like because it does not show the whole Kenya. It's like a daycare program. It's like a daycare program. Actually that is the name because now you're talking of under 13, you're talking of under 17 who you cannot say you have taken because of merit. You cannot put that into perspective and at the end of the day it's more of the people in office playing public relations with the population so that they can get back to us. And now that brings us to the question of selection criteria. We have had public outcry over representation that the players being selected does not represent national outlook. What is just trying to say? Did that happen during your days? It was even worse. It was even worse. It was even worse. I remember we went to play KCB. We were playing short agencies. I don't know if you can remember that. Yes, of Naivasha. And my coach came up and told me that if you score a goal today since you're the top scorer you'll be called to the national team. But that day I had a good game, laid an assist, but I didn't score but I wasn't called. But you see the kind of merit on how people are being selected to join the national team here in Kenya is totally different. I've even heard stories, not heard stories, I've even known that you have to give a coach some money for you to be able to be selected in the team. And this is where sometimes when I look at these things I ask myself the question where are we headed as a country especially in sports? Football. Let me speak about football because that's what I know. That's the sport that I know. Where are we headed? Where are we going to be in the next 10 years from now? Because if you look at how sports is being run outside the country I did my UFAB license coaching course with English FA and I did it with Gary Neville. Gaspoit was there. Same class. But if you look how these people they've been groomed professionally it's absolutely exceptional. There is nothing like shortcuts you have to graft hard for you to get what you want. It's about merit and competence. It's about merit, competence and that integrity that you have for yourself as an individual for you to be able to achieve what you want in life. If you look here in Kenya majority of the people who are running the football game it's about themselves. It's not about the players. They have an interest in the game for them and not the game itself. I have a question for both of you. There is this player who got injured while training for the camp of the Africa Cup of Nations. Mandela, brand Mandela. Right? And there was another player. File Monotien as well. Na, that's the name that I was looking for. How can such a player not get medical attention from the federation and yet he got injured on national level? Actually it was a game of musical chairs between FKF and Gormaya football club. A team he features for who should supposed to spawn for his treatment. And I think Gormaya had now to take responsibility because he had been left just wallowing. This is someone who is representing our country. Why does he have to go all those through hardships for him to get treatment? Small things like that they make you sit down and realize we still have a long way to go. And what I am getting for you is, yes we have got sports mentorship and all this conversation but from what you are saying is our sports administrators need these talks more than even the players. Because they are the ones who run the game at the end of the day. They are the custodians of the game and everything. And are they willing in the first place to be available? Na, that is what we are talking about because when you talk about 2002 I remember like the former president of football Kenyan Federation Samyamuaya was in office I think we back from 1996 when Peter Kennedy left the office and he was there for a span of I think 16 years and in that time there was nothing tangible you can talk about Kenyan football. It was all about people suffering. It was all about court cases and all that. He left. We had Nick Muendo coming and the accomplishment everybody talks about which people don't usually like is to the African Cup of Nations. Yes, as a team we have got to the African Cup of Nations but what do you have to show for it at home and that is usually what people suffer from. You believe with the kind of potential plenty of talent locally Kenya ought to have surpassed what they did in Egypt during Afghan campaign? For me, I would look at it this way. Yes. There are so many great players in this country. So many beautiful young talent in this country. Until some of them are running to feature for overseas entities. Yes, but my question lies in like this and that's the same thing that I was saying. The people at the top who are running the game their interest is not to see the national team succeeding to where we are supposed to be and that has been the problem for so many years. Their problem upstairs is about how much money am I going to make when I'm in this office before I leave and that is the wrong attitude to have because there's no way you can tell me right now that Kenya, our football, we cannot even compare it with the likes of Ethiopia, Uganda, Tanzania. Look at the fan base in Tanzania. It's absolutely amazing. Kenyan players are leaving Kenya now to go and play. Yes, Tanzania. Actually, it's a huge exodus. It's a huge exodus. I remember when we went there in 2006 when I was playing for TASCA we were going to friendly matches with Yanka and Simba. That is the first time ever that my legs were shaking. Because the stadium was full. The noise coming from the ground. I couldn't even believe that this is just a friendly match. One thing that we do tend to forget is these players, why they engage themselves in so many things like gang-related stuff. It's because our football in Kenya is not being run well. A player goes home. He hasn't been paid for three months. He has a family. He has kids to feed. What do you expect? There's no way you can tell this player on that pitch and perform. That's why when I look up I've gone to so many EPL games. Thanks to Victor Onyama. He used to give me tickets. I go to the games. I see how football is being run. Where I live, I was interested when I was doing my coaching badges. I go to football clubs. I see how they are being run. What they are doing is nothing complicated. We can all achieve what they are doing. But the question is with us we have that integrity to go and do it. Because at the end of the day you find we are fighting amongst ourselves. Because I'll start saying using different words towards you because of my own interests and not the player. And yet we forget the office cannot be there without the playing unit. Which is the league and the players. And with this politiki we had a 2022 World Cup in Qatar because the current president of Football Kenya Federation I remember interviewing him during his campaigns in 2016 he said that was his ultimate goal seeing the national team qualify to 2022 World Cup. The thing is the guy you get into the office you sell the dream without working on the dream in that you are telling people we are in office 2022 World Cup that's where we are going. But what are you doing to make sure that you are going to that 2022 World Cup? So the dream never gets executed. You want my honest opinion? As usual. That is a dream. You are not going to do the World Cup. I'll tell you straight up. I'm not going to hide and start telling you hobs. But really you have the caption for the link. Ken is not going to the World Cup. I'm going to the World Cup and the reason why I'm saying that we run our football we are not going to be making steps going forward to make sure that we represent our country that we're supposed to be represented. Because if your house is rotten what do you expect the plane units to be? It's just simple as that. And that's why I keep on emphasizing about integrity and I'm sure both of you can relate to that. If you don't have a proper well managed house then inside the house definitely you won't achieve anything. And you see like football which I think is the most popular sport in Kenya has been one sport that has never had integrity since its inception. Let's not say that it has had integrity. You realize that even the presidents who are there since I think the 50s, the 60s, 70s and all that they never talked about integrity in football. They were ever fighting and all that. The best president we could say we had was Netumatiba. The moment he talked about professionalism let's professionalize the league in the 90s war came out. And he was like I cannot handle this and he left the office. The likes of Martin Shikoku they left to run for office. Likes of Omino they left to run for office. Alfred Sambu they left for office. So what you drink to any sinwetis that they use football as a platform to venture into politics. Because in Kenya people are putting that political, musical game all the time in that everybody for him to be relevant he has to talk about politics. So these people even even when the late Daniel Toroticha Arap Moe passed away think Samu Nyamuia came out saying that he told Miki Janao where we are under Linda Ampira. But now him coming to Linda Ampira what did he do for us? Nothing. But this is 2020. Since the 50s when football was big in the country and all that it is the first time we are having an office. Just a national office for a secretary. Just look at that and people are talking about 2022 World Cup. So in your interactions with the likes of Gaspoyet you know big man I know him very well. Fund memories of him during his playing time and Gary Neville. How is their view, what is their view of African football? To be honest I didn't even want to discuss about African football. You didn't want an embarrassing response? I didn't want because it's embarrassing. They will be brutally honest. Because it's hurtful when you go somewhere and someone tells you the truth about your house or about you as an individual. So it's embarrassing. You don't even want to talk about those things. All you want to do is to learn from them on how you can be better or someone how to do things the correct way because if you look at Kenyan football from way way back even when I was playing these things about over age players has been there. This thing has been there and it's not the players who are doing it it's the people who are surrounding us telling us you know what you need to put your age behind for you to be able to play in the under 17 under 20 but the question is are we not hurting the people who are supposed to be respectively playing for those age groups? We don't even think about it but if you look at the bigger picture it's going to affect Kenyan football hugely and that's because we are putting people in the under 17, under 20, under 23 who are not their respective ages they are not that so you find like where we headed we are killing the game so we need to sit down and think about ourselves and say ok look let's go back to the drawing board going back to the drawing board is from scratch it is the same thing that both of you are here when did I leave Kenya left Kenya in 2006 we are in 2020 right now 14 years later why don't we have an under 17 representing us in the under 17 world cup under 20 world cup you know have we ever asked ourselves about these questions under 23 olympics Africa cup of nations cup of nations under 17 14 years down the line 2020 right now we are still talking about the same things that used to happen 14 years ago that just shows you how bad we are doing that just shows you how our leaders are rotten to the core about themselves and not the players and not the game a few feedbacks coming in from umoja saying there is one man who is talking and being blood and Leonest I like him for calling out the ills in Kenyan football the likes of Bonfa Sambani the usual critic now should also follow the same route think Bonfa Sambani has also been doing that trying to castigate the administrators for not doing the David Bonfa Sambani played for FC Leopards I think he played for Rivertex and then moved from Kenya went to Yanga one of the first Kenyan players to really shine in the Tanzanian Premier League and all that and then left for India so he has seen what football can do for betterment what football can do for people to prosper for it to change and everybody that's why when he came back into the country the same scenario and Bonfa Sambani is older than David and you know what that is one man that I do respect totally wow so there is similarity and resemblance you know why because when Bonfa Sambani went with him at Taskar he used to advise me a lot he used to tell me to stop doing these things on the side the things that I used to do but I never used to listen to him but now when I was sucked from Taskar I sat down and realized you know what Bonfa Sambani was actually telling me things about my own interest to be a better player because he could see the potential that I had but I got lost you know in these things the side shows, shenanigans all these things that we do outside and stuff like that but that is one player that I totally respect in this Kenyan game right now because that's why he's still successful up to date Bonfa Sambani you have support from David Alley the big man also another guy Felix in Brutzi David Alley in an operation there are two things involved it's either you go to raise the flag or come back wrapped in it he won, salute Dave because that's good statement of course coming through Edmund or Lupe saying man his story is a real testimony one minute you are okay the next minute everything is different it's really humbling story to hear from him so a lot of messages coming through trickling in and people and I think as we look for a winding up I don't know what will be your latest submissions on where you seek to see Kenyan football going forward in the next few years even as we remain pessimistic that you won't qualify to have World Cup of 2020 Qatar that is a very tough question to ask me honestly honestly that's a very tough question for me this is one thing that I believe in life there's no magic it's about principles that's how I was taught and I'm glad that I went through the military the best in the world and I learned so many things if you don't have integrity respect and knowing that in life everything is a process to be honest you'll never go anywhere and I think the problem that we have with us right now is we are trying to do so many things quickly at once before we can sit down and think about the structures on how we can tackle certain things in our country you know I remember when I used to play we used to have Coca Cola yes where did that tournament go because it was pulling so many great players we used to have Robi province Jansa province we should bring those things to the fold and the people who are running this game in Kenya they should actually call themselves for meeting individually and even you remember Sakata the one that was getting sponsored by Safarikom I'm told that someone from the federation wanted a kickback and you know Safarikom by the much of their professional approach to issues they said that is the case we will pull out exactly and now and put both of you on the spot right now it's about KPL look at the rangots that they are having right now with the current office it's not good for the game it's not good for the game it's not good for the game totally and those people who are sitting on those seats they should actually call themselves for meeting one by one and realize that they are not doing this for themselves it's a disservice to Kenyan football it's a disservice to the country because we want I want when I'm sitting out there I can proudly say that Kenyan football has actually gone somewhere all my friends who are whites in the UK they only know Kenya through athletics they keep on telling oh you Kenyans are good at that don't mention anything to do with me about football it's actually a shock to them that Wanyama played for you it's actually a shock they saw that at least we had one great player who played in the Scottish League and the EPL and we need to have more of them we need to have plenty of players coming out from Kenya going and representing us in a respectable way to carry our flag whereby if you walk on the streets you're proud to be a kid you remember Divoko Rigi when he scored for Belgium in 2014 Kenyans were proud to be associated with him saying that you know Divoko remains a Kenyan and do you honestly think that the father Miko Kof did a good thing he was wise to have the boy you know switch his nationality to Belgium 110% he did not switch he was born there he was born there but of course he patriotism was the factor but he had a choice yes but I would say this Miko Kof did the right thing for letting Divoko play for Belgium because he wouldn't be at Liverpool if he was in Kenya I would even say this tell me any national team outside where you've heard that they've heard rangos about wages about players not being able to be paid in time in time name for me any country right now I don't remember I don't remember you've been in the sports scene it's been a logistical challenge here in Kenya absolutely and this is the question that I ask if you're not paid right to come into your office every day will you have the motivation to come and work the next day no way I think you saw recently there was a big story about the United States World Cup team the ladies and the men after rapping and they won the World Cup and there was a discrepancy on wage the men's team they paid higher wages than the ladies team and now it is now all level then England followed it up and all that and now it's all level playing field let me add something to that look at Brazil what they've done Brazil also Brazil has now stated that the women's team they are going to be paid the exact same wages as the men's team now it's all about equality and everything but you realize that these federations when you are a player and you have been called by the national team they hand you a contract they realize that now you are a national treasure you are coming on to represent the country and everything they give you and in the event that the contract is violated then that attracts legal that one comes later when there are problems but you realize with national teams it's all about respecting you as a person and coming to represent us so they give back to you and another thing that I wanted to actually add on it quickly yes Denis Oliyech the best striker that Kenya has ever produced we've got Taita Sumulama one of the best midfielders that Kenya has ever produced these are the type of people now that the office is supposed to work with them to shape the Kenyan football because they know the hardships of Kenyan football and that's a good point how comes you know the local administrations are not working with the players it's because I can answer that very clearly it's because when these players come and start talking about the problems of what these players are facing the office won't like it because it's the reality people are struggling and that's why it's so bad and it gets to me when I talk about Kenyan football if I add on to that it's now like the way you have done the UFB lines and all that and the case like the one of Simon Mulama think you went to the United States by a scholarship and all that he has seen how it's done outside there he wants to come and replicate it for us so that it can go ahead now the people in office don't want that actually he's come here several times and in partnership with the way he studied think there is some university in the US where a lot of young people have gotten an opportunity to go there and acquire academic and even co-curricular requirements and I think that's one way of giving back to the society I think he's doing what he witnessed overseas the way things are being done is a sports manu played in Kenya has got a degree in sports management and all that from a reputable institution it's come back to your country then the administrators are like no no no this David Guy these are the guys who want to kill our Kek I'll say this I spoke to a player who's a very good friend of Nick Mwenwo and this player is I won't mention his name because I don't want to put him on the spot he was one of the best left backs in Kenya they are very good friends and I was discussing him with this thing and he said to me Nick Mwenwo doesn't want former players who know the game to be in his office all he wants to do is if you're a former player he has to dictate what he wants he doesn't want people to come and challenge his ideas because we've got so many greats look at Muso Tieno there's so many names that we can mention here they're supposed to be the ones who are helping the current office on how the list is endless but you see the same players are still languishing in poverty players are still in a state of confusion even the current players who are playing right now they don't have any mentors to mentor them they don't have any they don't have people to tell them look when you get your salary this is what you're supposed to do look at investments all they're doing right now is getting the money blowing it out and then later on they're in poverty and it shouldn't be like that it's been a fantastic interview quality conversation indeed of course touchline is the show we're still on till 3 o'clock my name is Max Oluwaseeko so Robert is here with us and big man of course glad to have interviewed him a man who played for football some time back task FC included KCB as well and then went overseas and he narrated the UD land predicament he went through and it's an honour having him to share inside of the store and glad that you've been inspired by his wise words of course Dave good to have seen you and of course we're looking forward seeing you in the future and even as you seek travelling back you said on Wednesday probably we shall be in touch but just before you leave this is your camera in a minute please talk to Kenyans talk to people who are watching talk to the upcoming footballers and talk to everyone who has given up is living in despair and he needs a message of hope All I can say is one thing anyone can inspire someone only if we just don't think about ourselves and right now about to the Kenyan players you know there's there's this how do I put it the road to success you have to be very very careful with yourself as an individual you have to have integrity you have to have discipline and you have to know yourself fast as an individual where do you stand and where do you want to be in the future Kenyan players the ones who are playing right now they should get it for free from me don't make the same mistakes that someone like me made 14 years ago and the current players who or the former players who made and that is make sure you protect yourself as an individual because you're an asset to yourself you have to go out there and sell yourself and that is by performing because there's no shortcut hard work there's no shortcut to it if you get any shortcut that means trust me you won't be successful in anything that you do in life so if you're focused have integrity with yourself self-discipline you'll be successful definitely of course that's the message not only to coming footballers and you know the sportsmen but even us who are here in studio and my friend Josaina who is watching so after the show maybe wherever you intended going hope you've heard from the big man David of course it's glad having you man thank you for coming through thank you for having me keep in touch right God bless you too thank you for coming through it's the touch line it continues until 3 o'clock remember the kickoff Arsenal against Fulham English Premier League back on the fall of course it's kicking off this particular we can format just on card how about we discuss that after taking a short break we will be back with the fan zone it's the fan favorite segment the touch line continues don't go away stay tuned