 Let's go live instead of live. All right. So I wonder what first question you have cooked for us is to give people a little bit of context. Give people a little bit of context. I met VG here, Vincent in the No Limits Society, NLS, which has been to new Masaro and their team's Ascensionary Enlightenment Awakening group and VG and I have been hitting some really good tennis balls, raw, unfiltered, reflecting, purifying to one another, and it's been really fun. And so his calling is people experiencing joy is a higher form of love, which I'm really excited to talk about on the episode as well. So let's start things off with VG on the classic question of talk to us about how you transformed yourself out of person consciousness into the awareness and into creator. Okay. I never transformed anything, actually, I've always been exactly the same thing. But I did work together with this donation, Vincent, and yeah, I helped him give birth to a higher version of himself. And you know, many people like to use the analogy of a caterpillar becoming a butterfly. That's not my experience at all. I experience it more as a snake. A snake that when it grows needs to shed its previous skin to get into a new one. And it's not something that happens just once and then you fly. It's really something that needs to happen each time that your consciousness grows, you know, because as an incarnated human being, you know, many people, many religious people have this, especially Christians, have this idea that you have to humble yourself. You have to become very, very small. You have to make yourself small because God is so great. Anything, any attempt to be bigger, it's an offense to God and things like that. You know, this misconception, while it's even, it's contradicting the very logic of it. The very logic of it is if God is that big and you, and he says, he's in you and you want to, to receive God, you have to make yourself as big as you can, you know, you will never be big enough to host God, it's impossible. So the logic is don't humble yourself, especially if your true desire is to grow. It's counterproductive. It's really an internal struggle if you want to humble yourself while trying to grow. So that's the realization and the image which I find more apt, which by the way, I just came up with because it's stable to this discussion. It's not been used by Vincent nor by Vian so far. So this snake growing, it's the very apt image. Of course, some people will probably misinterpret it, but it's OK. That's how it works. I'm not sure I answered your question, by the way. Hello. VG has this style of just I don't even know how to explain it. It's so uniquely you. It's so cool. You just have this style of presence and being that's just so unapologetic and I love it. It's just you and it's the radiance of that flower aroma unapologetically as it is. And so, yeah, so what would unpack this more for us because you underwent this process of expansion. I apologize for being unapologetic. I'm sorry. I seem to not get the right rhythm. I apologize for being unapologetic because it may offend some people. But you also know to not apologize for being apologetic because that's ridiculous because you're just effortlessly you. So it's beautiful. All right. So let's get back to this. So again, this expansion for you and you you reference to it in a sense as snake. So unpack that more for us. Yeah, you see, that's always the difficulty with using illustration in anything. I always love to illustrate what I say with an image. And of course, there is always this tendency to to dive into the image instead of just accepting the imperfection of the illustration. An illustration can never be the real thing, especially when in the context of a spiritual inquiry. So you should not see too much into the image or too much in detail. The image should be kept as it is. But by the way, there are also sometimes often surprising second or third and sometimes fourth layer of truth in an image, especially when the image came spontaneously out of nowhere like it just did, because that snake shedding its skin analogy, while I formulated it, quite surprised Vincent and and he was shocked at how accurate and apt it was. And that's why he went along with I to elaborate on it. And by the way, when it comes spontaneously like this, you often find a second, third, fourth meaning in it. And indeed, the image of the snake is very powerful. Many people have very negative associations and and emotional attachments or repulsion in this case. But the snake is a very symbolically important animal in many contexts. So it probably has much more meaning than Vincent has realized now. And it would require a bit of investigation inquiry. But the first one that I can transmit to him and share is the sound of the snake. You see, when you visualize a snake, your elocution will modify itself and you will find yourself hissing more the hissing sound in whatever you say. And that focus on the hissing will detach your sense of identity and will introduce a bit of space in between you and who you think you are and will allow you to be more true in fact and to to be less polluted by your huge baggage of history. So that's one. The other one is the negative connotation of snakes in most people's body-mind complex, especially in their religious background, especially if they are Christian. But in most religions, there is either a very negative or a very positive association or stories or myths around the snake. So there's probably much more to be found in that. And I think that's a job for Vian. I may ask Vian to write something about this. All right. So there's a couple of components there. It sounds like the main component in your direct experience was going from something that had lots of form and lots of identity, lots of distortion, lots of layers, and then stripping that down like snakeskin down to the pure bear I am awareness. Was that approximately what you were describing? Well, very much. And you see, that's why I'm sure anybody watching from outside will realize the value you bring. And I say you, I mean Atlas, because, of course, I am you too. So you see, I enjoy the dialectic that I am creates between I am you and I am I in this I am universe. And your rigor, your devotion to truth is a perfect balancing energy to the total abandonment that I express through Vincent and John and all the other skin layers above them. Okay. Perfect. Yeah. And we have our. And you see, you see, you see at last, you see at last how when I convey your rigor and devotion to truth through Vincent, how his affinity for joy start manifesting in you. It's a perfect balance when Vincent gets more precise and rigorous and devoted to truth at last becomes more joyful and less burdened by his crushing responsibility of constantly refining the truth, focusing on, on removing any spec of impurity in the truth that he is midwifing into the internet. Removing all specs of impurity midwifing truth into the internet. See, this is, this is another reason. No, no, no. You go ahead. Okay. You go ahead. You are about to expose one speck of impurity. No. No, not at all. Actually, it's so beautiful because we'll talk about this probably in a little bit also on that episode, but you know, VG's got this ability like he just showed you guys there where he gives this really unique reflection, right? This is what I meant earlier by this very unapologetic direct aroma. And he just gives you a reflection that is really strongly saturated with his own understanding and it's very beautiful. And so that was an example of it and we'll reference to another one that he gave during a call that we had later, but let's unpack another sort of understanding here. Most people experience awakening or enlightenment as both this shedding like Vincent was describing of the onion layers down the snake skin down to the pure formless I am awareness. And yet at the same time they're experiencing this expansion, this very cosmic consciousness into that great I am into becoming the creator at the same time. And so that's why people like Nisargatsana Maharaj has the very famous way of saying it is that love says I am everything wisdom says I am nothing my life flows between the two. Right. So we are beyond everything beyond nothing just absolute ineffable free perfection. And so I really appreciated that sort of fact. In fact, that the team of all those analogies is transformation. And if you really want to transform yourself, you can't really do it in a linear fashion. You can't do it bit by bit. You know, the only way you can split it into more manageable tasks in the rational conception of conducting a project, you know, by cutting it into smaller tasks. The only my rational way that works is to understand that if you want to transform your body, mind, soul, higher self, I am complex. Of course, I am can't be changed. And it doesn't need to. But all the other layers can be transformed. And you can you can approach each layer within the different fashion because you see those image of peeling the onion or shedding skin are valuable to a certain extent. Even the capilla into a butterfly. But the only way it works is to consider more or less separately the body, the mind, the soul, and the higher self. I don't believe, I don't see how we can, how our incarnation can be of any use to refine and transform anything from the highest self and above. But definitely our body, we all know by now that we can refine our body, that we can even transform it. And that is pretty much the analogy of the caterpillar becoming a butterfly. You can be a fat, crawling, slow caterpillar and transform into a very light, very harmonious graceful dancer of life. By working a bit on your body, it can help. It does. You can work on your mind. In fact, that's probably for most of us the biggest chunk of the work. And that the peeling of the onion is the apt image because the objective is nothingness in the mind. The ability of nothingness because obviously as anyone watching can see, there is no way to express these things without some usage of language, of memory, of even some pre-wired algorithms in one's mind. It's also what we call culture and society and language. And if we want to communicate, if we want to exchange, we can do it silently in other dimensions. But there is a beauty in bringing it into these dimensions, these dense, heavy births. In fact, it's a slowing down. We can see this incarnation as a slowing down of our super fast, higher layers. So the higher we go, the faster it goes. And when you are a toddler and you want to learn to walk, you can't just run right away. Everything has to be slowed down to enable you to learn the movement. So this incarnation, yes, it's a gift. It's a painful gift because everything is so slow and heavy. But it's what it takes. If we are to learn the moves of a supersonic flying a multidimensional being and be able to handle it at supersonic, I probably mean super lightning speed, we have first to train into a more slowed down environment. So each image is apt and each layer is apt. And it's not entirely true that they are separated that much. But yes, we feel that there is a separation between the dimensions. And we can work on the body. We can work on the mind. We can even work on the soul. I mean the soul, S-O-U-L. Which is the remaining identification that we still carry from one life to the other. That we can still work on it while incarnated. And then of course, the higher self above that soul is probably what in my intuition we can't work on consciously. We probably are already working on it unconsciously. Not even unconscious, beyond unconscious. At those realms we don't have access to it. It's probably happening, especially outside of time. Because time is one of those artificial slowing down of ourselves that has been gifted to us to be able to work on slow motion on our movements. As if as a dancer we wanted to do a very beautiful Irish dance. But somehow we have to rehearse in slow motion. Well, maybe I was a bit long on this. I love that. I love the transformation component. I love that metamorphosis component. The caterpillar to the butterfly. The incarnation being a painful gift. When you really stretch your essence out to truly taste and touch eternity. Infinity. When you do that and you recognize that this is an appearance of that absolute. That is so communing with your true nature. Just that recognition in itself. And I also really appreciated how what the onion layer is getting down to nothing. That's the same recognition again by all of these mystics and these sages. Is that all motion is illusory as Parminatus said 2,500 years ago. And meanwhile Heraclitus said everything flows. And so the ultimate seems to very much be a synthesis between those two. You will never stop becoming as these firework expressions, individuated fractals that turn back inward and find their true nature. Yet at the same time you never move. There's absolute void, absolute stillness, absolute Shunya. And so that's this fascinating dynamicism that is still. Yeah. And you see also what happened is that many people take the wrong tool to do the right job. But they take the wrong tool and not only it's not helpful and it doesn't work, but it even damages what you are trying to accomplish. For example, as I mentioned in the refining of the body, the apt image is butterfly. Or there are probably much better images. Maybe the bird coming out of his egg or whatever. I want to also comment on how you called it mastery in the process of dancing. Also that I really enjoyed as well. Yeah. Because I'm a dancer. I love to dance. It's very difficult. It's extremely difficult. I don't think it's accessible to all of us to express, to talk about the truth with language without distorting it to the point beyond recognition. It's only a very small percentage of the population which has been forced through enough rigorous grammar and vocabulary training from youth and throughout life to be able to express through language the circumference of the truth without distorting it beyond recognition. But in terms of nonverbal communication, we all have the ability to express. You can never express exactly the truth. It's just not possible. But you can dance around the black hole, you know, at the horizon. You can dance around the horizon of the singularity point. And it can be authentic. It can be intense. It can be true in the human sense. You can do any, most of us are able to express nonverbally something very close to the truth. But only a few have gone through enough painstaking trial and error in language to be able to use language and not totally pollute and rape the fragile yet eternal periphery of the truth because we'll never reach the truth with language or with expression. I don't know exactly how it happens beyond the higher self. We'll see that. But what I wanted to say is use the right tool. The peeling of the onion is perfect. Well, it's not perfect. It's a very good, it's an apt image of the process of refining your mind. Refining your mind, by the way, it's not possible. The real, you have to break it. You know, to peel an onion, you have to break, you have to break it. You can do it gently, but in the end you are breaking the onion. Because what has to remain is nothing, or not nothing, the ability of nothing. Which means you have to reach the, you have to peel and break this onion until you are able to switch it off. And switch it on when you want to use language or when you want to protect your body against any aggression. Or if you want to build a house or anything like that, anything material or negative or protective. It's a very useful tool. Or to access language is a very useful tool. But it's not, it's something that you have to gain the ability of switching off. That's why the image of peeling the onion, it's a very good representation of the right way. The right tool to purify your mind. Which once again, it's not about purifying it, it's about finding the on and off switch, that's all. For the body, and you see, and many people use that tool of peeling it down to nothing on the body. You know those people who are maniacs of fasting. But no, don't fast, slow down. The fasting of your body, it's occasionally helpful if you have accumulated too many toxins. Or if it's too heavy, or if it doesn't satisfy your heart. Fine, trim it down or turn it or attune it or do whatever you want. But by the way, the objective is not to peel it down to nothing. So stop using the analogy of the peeling of the onion when it comes to the body. This extreme asceticism, it's counterproductive. Because it reinforces the mind while you diminish the body. And the body is not a hindrance in incarnation. The whole idea of incarnating is to get the body and use it. So I think many of us have been misguided in thinking that we have to reduce the body to nothing. While it's not my experience at all, it's not Vincent's experience. In fact Vincent is pretty overweight as you can see. And it's not a hindrance for dance. It is a hindrance for the duration of the dance. But it's not a hindrance for the grace of the dance. So use the right tool. In the case of the body, if you want to atone the body, there are many ways. I'm not an expert in that, there are many experts. But beware of anyone advising you to get rid of the body or beat it down or destroying it in a way. While for the mind, yes, for the mind you need to destroy it. You need not to destroy it, you need to be able to switch it off and on. So the process in life is first we build a very strong ego. And then we have to be able to deconstruct it. So it's true, it's really like peeling an onion. If you want to peel the onion right, you don't just cut the onion, you don't tear the leaves. You gently but firmly peel them off and you keep all of them. And by the way, you use them and eat them after. But off the onion, nothing is left. And then finally on the soul, the way to work on the soul, that's the snake analogy. The soul is your concept of the vastness of your consciousness. Your channel is pretty advanced. I've gone through it yesterday. So I believe your followers are not followers, they are not following I guess. At that level, they are really your vast. That is your family, soul family. So they are advanced enough to know that consciousness, that's what I am is, that's what God is, that's infinite. Everything is all that is. I believe most of us have kind of got the notion that's how it is. But it's not our belief. We still have a conception of consciousness which is limited. And that's our soul. And so that's why in the development of our soul, the right, the apt image is the shedding of the skin of the snake. Just grow, just don't be humbled in your soul, don't be humbled in your consciousness. Just grow it, grow it, grow it. And if you have to shed the skin, but don't adapt your growth to the skin of your beliefs. If your beliefs are hindering the growth of your consciousness, shed those beliefs. Of course, you will fall into, you will not fall, you will grow into higher beliefs. But there will still be beliefs, there will still be limiting. But at least you are expanding your consciousness. And my understanding is that when you grow to certain vastness, your consciousness, then even the maintaining of a body, of an incarnate body becomes a hindrance. And then that's probably when we move on to higher realms to continue the same similar work. Anyway, so at last. I love the part where you referenced how language, you have to be very trained and precise. Like precision consciousness to be able to use language to tiptoe dance play with this ineffable. But yet nonverbally speaking, you can more easily dance around the black hole singularity. I thought that was also a great way of talking about it. And you're right that a lot of awakening and enlightenment is fundamentally just recognizing the paramountness of consciousness itself. Of awareness itself, that you can't have a reality without an observer or a witness. And then you are that which creates the observer and the reality to endlessly explore. And you'll never come to the end. You're the source of infinite possibilities. Welcome to your true nature. Yay. And you see at last what you say is as true as it can be, as true as can be verbally expressed. But you can also realize that it doesn't do justice to the actual reality. There are even the most enlightened incarnated human being on this planet like now. I don't subscribe to the belief that that entity, that being in its incarnated mind does not hold any belief. I'm not sure we can sustain a physical body when we, as far as we can perceive in these dimensions, these densities, don't hold any belief. Our body is a belief. To a large extent, if we stop believing that we have a body, then it's gone. So I think the, and you see, I just said I think because that's the mind speaking. And as long as you have a body and a mind, you have beliefs. And you express those beliefs by saying I think or I believe when, when you have reached a certain degree of honesty, you will not say I think anymore. You will say I believe because that's the truth of what is happening when you express something as the truth that is expressing a belief. People who are less aware of the process of the process. Yeah. Yeah. And direct experience is another way to talk about it, directly experiencing. I know it can be used from the higher self, but usually not. You're right. It can be useful. It can be used at every level. I know is a tricky one because there are two types of knowledge. God. There is the experience. You know, there is I know how it feels to jump into water. This is perfectly right. There is nothing. There is no, there is no shift density or lower belief in that statement. If you have jumped into water, but if you have read book, hundreds of books about water and swimming and jumping into water. All the books that have ever been written that contain the word water in it, but are not jumped into a lake or a river or the sea or whatever. Then to say I know it just bush it means nothing. So there you can use I know whatever if you are talking of an experience or a series of experience that you have taken your body through and your mind through. But if you say I know because I read about it, I've read books or I've heard about it or I've been told about it. People use I know equally to describe those two sources of information. In one case, central multidimensional information derived derived from your own experience. And the other case, second hand information gathered from other people. And when you are lucky, the other people are we're talking about their own experience, which means your second hand information is more or less only really be distorted. But if on top of it, they themselves only did a bibliographical study on the subject, then it's really just absolute crap. And to use the word the verb to know when describing something you read about, which even the author read about or heard about, then really you are very, very, very removed from knowing. But it's still the same word. And I guess at some point we may decide to use different words for those two sources. Let's transform ourselves to joy as a higher form of love when you first mentioned that to me as the calling. Well, it's cool. When you mentioned that to me as you're calling, it clicked for something a little bit later when I messaged you, it clicked that very subtly joy in a sense is freer than love. And then you sent me this really detailed response as to why you feel joy is a higher form of love. So will you unpack that for us? It's such a nuanced, beautiful thing. Yeah. No, this is a lot. You see, you see how the verbal communication is tricky in your mouth. That's that was off. Because it's not your experience. You've heard it from me and you could feel rightfully, rightfully so that my expression of it came from my direct experience. And because we built this rapport, you, your, your trust is such that you took it for truth, but it's not your experience yet. And that's why you just read it or recited it. And it was off. There was no joy in it. And that's always the danger, you know, people debating about the usefulness of humor. And that's serious. Or people giving a lecture on joy and, and they are so afraid to get it wrong or, or they are so, they feel so responsible in your case. You feel so responsible for being true to truth, for being true to the message of truth. That, that, that very desire is, it's tight skin, you know, it's like if you were wearing a bat trousers of Nicolas Cage in that movie, I can't remember maybe. And, and it's not your fight. So, yeah, shared it. But let's go into the subject for the benefit of anybody interested in it. Because after all, since it's the subject of this call, if we don't address it, that will be like fraud, right? So let's not give any, let's give, let's give it to them. Let's give it to them. So, no, I don't believe that joy is a high form of love. It's my experience. I've been observing Vincent desperately searching for love. Even the word desperately does not give justice to the state of deep misery of this bulk of neediness, unworthiness, weakness, sadness, baby crying for tenderness. That bulk of beliefs that, that tenderness can only come from one person in the first stage, the mother. And it was either denied or not fully given. And then at the later stage, looking for love in the eyes of pretty girls, teens in his age. And it was also most of the time denied. And that need in that frustration, but it's not really frustration, you see. So anyway, I've been watching him go through all this. I've guided him constantly towards the true nature of love. But that bulk of belief and desires and obsession and fear and need was not open to hearing it, right? So, I took him to different places slowly at his rhythm until at the age of 44, I took him to celebrate his birthday with a bunch of friends in the south of France with Vieira. And I allowed him to have all the surroundings that he thought were necessary for a great party time. And for nonstop for five days, he parted and danced five to eight hours a day dancing, partying and celebrating and golfing and eating and drinking fruit juice. Oh, sometimes a bit of alcohol, but I never let him be drunk. But after five days, after five days of less than three hours sleep per 24 hours. And all his friends rotating, taking shifts to party with him and falling off after eight to 15 hours each. They at one time at breakfast while they were sitting and sipping coffee in a very tired way. And Vincent was standing and semi-dancing in front of them and telling jokes. And they said, come on, Vincent. What the hell are you taking? You are on drugs. And I gave, I made Vincent reply simply, no, it is joy. And I gave him the full multidimensional truth about the nature of the various frequencies of the only thing that exists in the universe. But he only got, he only got a smaller version of it, which was that joy, my friend. Ananda. Joy is an inexhaustible supply of love and energy. And in fact, by now he realizes, and that's why the name of Vincent is not fully apt even for him. Because even his intellectual understanding of the truth is high enough, but it is too removed from the history of the body-mind that was born into this world under Vincent. Freshness. Can you feel the cool breeze? Vincent's body, which would be more aptly called Vian's body or La Vie's body, is evaporating some sweat that was gathered outside under the sun into the air-conditioned abode. And that evaporation is cooling that body in a very gentle and refreshing and invigorating way. And he wants to share that. So I allowed him to do this. Joy. Yeah, perfectly married, you know. People think they have to kill the ego. It's a misunderstanding. You don't have to kill the ego. You don't have to kill the mind. You just have to learn how to switch it on and off or even to dim it. It's more even like to dim it or increase it because you can't truly switch it totally off, even though you can put it at a very, very low burn. And you can increase it to a highest burn when you need laser focus. Because also this is another misconception of many spiritual people. I would like to quickly correct through Vian here now. Most of your beautifully motivated, burning desire, suffering entities are seeking soothing in meditation in the wrong way. You are either focusing on your breath or on a point, an imaginary point in your forehead or things like that. It's called focus. That is a mind process. Please. It only has the benefit if there was 200 construction workers working around you while you try to meditate and you managed to switch all of them off except the jackhammer. It's an improvement. Yes, you are slightly closer to eye and you have slightly more ability to hear my whispering into your eye here. However, it's still not efficient. I can see you can't hear and you cannot see except with my eye. So we have to rely on hearing and yes, silence is the best way of hearing eye. But you are not hearing. You are not listening properly. Don't focus on your breath. Don't focus on your third eye. It is not third eye. I am the only eye. So focus not. De-focus. Widen your consciousness. Widen your acceptance. Don't only accept your breath. Don't only accept your eye. Don't only accept your vision of the universe. Accept all that is. De-focus. Include everything. The jackhammer. The crane. The gravel falling down. The bird singing. The air breathing. Your neck. Anything going on. All and everything. Simultaneously. That requires de-focus. Not focus. De-focus. Like when you watch. When you look at something, you will tense your crystalline to focus your vision at a certain distance so that it is neat, right? But then everything else is blurred. But there is a way of relaxing your eye so that everything is blurred. You have that experience. And you will be surprised how clearly you see everything when you allow it all to be blurred. Because it's illusory anyway. So why do you want to see clearly something that is not? Why don't you allow blurriness and accept everything? De-focus. Meditation please. And then you hear eye. Perfect. Perfect. So there's two cores there. The one you just gave, the de-focus to commune yourself into the infinity and void. Love that. And then the second one was earlier, you talked about joy when you had your five days of straight festival. You talked about joy like an inexhaustible supply of love energy. And that also really resonated. I like that a lot. Another core aspect to joy for me via direct experience is that joy feels a lot like the illumination of the sun itself. It feels a lot like you described this inexhaustibility that then in a sense also triggers the love. And again, right now we're just using words, language to talk about joy and love when ultimately they are love, light, awareness. It is all that lila. Let me interrupt you. Let me interrupt you to give credit to your perfect vision of the sun. The sun does not focus its light on any object. All right. It just sends it in every direction constantly without any discrimination. And then perfectly everything is enlightened at the right time and plunged into darkness at the right time as a refreshing bath. Because if you are constantly in the sun, you'll get sunburned, my friend. I love it. This is a good image. But it's you and probably some other members of this family like techniques. If you want a technique, try this. Observe your retina. Look into your retina. I love that. It's a good one. All right. That's a technique if you want one. It's not necessary like any technique. It's just somebody's trick to reach the same point of defocus. All right. Here, your Iran. It's possible, by the way. Both are possible. I trained Vincent and Vian. But by the way, Vincent didn't succeed, but Vian did if you want to play that game. You can actually see your retina. When you defocus enough in the evening before to fall asleep, you defocus in presence and you look at darkness and you know you adjust your focus back and forth and then you relax it. There will be a point when you actually see a grid. You can actually see a perfectly aligned grid. That's your retina, which in fact, well, it's a single veil, which is both your retina, your eardrum, your skin, the inside of your stomach and digestive system, your smelling bud and your dopamine receptors, all in one. In fact, all of the interfaces of your body-mind construct with what you perceive as reality, which is in fact just your own inside, the whole skin of that, including the retina and eardrum, is what some people call the matrix, or some people call the veil, and it can be seen. It can be actually seen, but not with the intention of seeing it. It's just in the relaxation of defocus. And for those who thought that there is one big revelation, because that's another big fallacy of many of the members of this family, that one day, one day, I'll have the fireworks. One day, one moment, I will have the absolute revelation of the matrix and the true nature of reality and it will be a firework and I will be totally changed and from that moment on, I'll be an ascended master with a completely, totally different view of everything. I will see colors in people, I will read their minds and stuff like that. It's totally false that it happens in one instant. It's totally false that it is so, even though it happens in very momentous moments that you will remember for your whole incarnated time, and even though your perception of what you think you would see with your eyes or hear with your ears, the perception of it intuitively will be very strong and accurate and true. When you are defocused, when you are absent, when you are not there, and when the other incarnation of I is open to it and that I monitor closely and I do not allow understanding and vision to those who still have a desire for it because that desire, my friend, you didn't look close enough where it comes from. It comes from fear and neediness or desire of power, which itself is rooted in fear and misunderstanding of the true nature of love. Yet also the desire to know oneself can be just the desire of Intelligent Infinity to commune with its true nature to walk through it. That's the only gateless gate. That's the only desire I sanctify. It's to know yourself, which is the Delphic maxim that was written on the top of the Temple of Apollo at Delphi 2,500 years ago. Two words, know thyself. That's it. That's the only one. It's the only desire worth in town. I will refer you to an even pure, one of my most beloved incarnations into that beautiful, amazing kid I took swimming. My dance with him was epic. I refer you to Osho, what you refer to now as Osho. That's not how I watched him refer to himself throughout his life. He also shed so many snakeskin, my friends. So I will quote one of the sentences I wanted him to, specifically, who I am, who am I, is the only question worth asking. Who am I? It's the only rebellious act, the one and only, and the first and the last rebellious act. It's the only true rebellious act to rebel against your false identity. And if you do it honestly, it's your last because you are no more. Once you have really dived into that question and dived, you start to die and end in vie, la vie. So the beginning is death and the outcome is la vie. Life is what happens when you are not there any longer because that spiny, small, susceptible, sick sense of identity. Life is what happens when you are not there. He loves that, by the way. And it's one of the things I like to make all of you say from time to time. The problem is you misinterpret it with your senses, your subjugated sense of eye, your hypnosis, your self hypnosis state. I love your point. I agree with you so much. The only question worthwhile asking, what is I? Ask yourself that question, investigate deeply enough. You'll come to the answer that you are the absolute and that's the end of the game. And then you just flower effortlessly as God's love light perfectly. It is so, but it's not your experience yet. So dive into it, watch your retina, listen to your eardrum, touch your skin, smell the hair of your nose, taste your tongue. Yeah, now I like to stay without that. By the way, at last, don't feel bad about it. You have a mission, you are the mission and you are accomplishing it. I will reveal myself to you at the right time. I love this game. It's so funny. I love you so much. It's perfect. I'm totally surrendered. I love it. You surrendered to Vian, but that's not the right surrender. Surrender to I inside. I am in you just as I am in Vian. Vian is not your savior or your guide or the provider of truth. I am, and I am providing truth directly to you. So defocus, listen, watch for your retina. I'll show it to you. Not Vian directly, you and I alone. I like that focus on the retina as the absolute and that being that shared, impersonal, eternal observer, witnessing great I aming. I love that. I'll send you again my beloved Osho incarnation on that subject. I want to wrap by asking you a question about what your feelings are around this, which you explained to me in one of the chats that we had previously, where you basically said that there is a level of when you know your true nature, that there is a confidence, a faith, a conviction along with that, that unleashes unlocks itself and you communicated some of that through me. And I thought that that was really insightful because nobody has even voiced that to me. I reveal myself in two ways generally. Most of the time by pure grace, what you will perceive as absolutely random, undeserved, unexpected, unexplained navels. Grace, which in fact is actually based on my perception of your maturity and ability to handle I am. Other times, other times I reveal myself to you slightly before full maturity, in precisely the kind of fireworks you all desire. I even did it somehow to Vian before his christening, in giving him a glimpse of the true nature of his infinite multi-dimensional vortex of light and dark encompassing all of universe. And of course, as expected, he took it for himself. And it took him another three, four years to sober up. You see, the problem is you all want it. You want it. You want it. And you want to take it. And you can't take it. You can only receive it. So when you take psilocybin or any chemical, of course, you can only receive it and love it. You take a rocket, you take a SpaceX rocket up your head. And it boosts you into the stratosphere, actually to the limit of the stratosphere. But of course, because it's not your own engine, it's not your own, it's not I. It's not boosted with joy and with love. It's boosted with boosting powder, you know, with gunpowder or hydrogen or any other fuel. So it lasts what it lasts and then gravity brings you back. Gravity is just negative love. That's all. Love is what elevates you to the sky. Or joy, because joy, love, like, even hate. It's just different frequency of the same energy. And yes, there's the balancing force of gravity and seriousness. Just like seriousness is the gravity of joy. Gravity is the seriousness of elevation of the spinning force of the universe. So you are just hanging there in between tense, tense, extended between your ground roots and your elevated ideals. Alright, so just whenever you realize that the top of your mind is touching the bottom of your ass, then we'll talk. Then we'll talk. I love your quotes. We'll actually talk. I love your quotes. I will reveal myself to you over time. You can't take it, you can only receive it. Those are so good. Have you seen Alex Gray's Net of Being? It looks like this. Have you seen this before? This one over here. Let me see if I can... It looks like this. That name does not ring a bell. The name does not ring a bell, but... There's one. Can you see this on your screen, though? I am... That one. I am talking to you through a body-mind complex that has only a limited amount of memory information. And he cannot pronounce words or names or refer to information which I have not exposed him to. So, no, that does not ring a bell, but it looks pretty. Oh, yeah. I love how Viji speaks from the Absolute. He speaks from the Creator. I have not given him the information that Alex Gray needs yet to be able to visualize the true nature exactly as it is. I love that. It's so nice how you do that. I've been practicing also undergoing a similar process from that Absolute, from that great I am rather than coming from. Yeah, it's great. I love that. That's a good practice. Yes, you love that, but you don't love yourself enough. When you love yourself down to your bottomless pits of ships situated at your root chakra, then you will see that I have always loved you, but for now you are blocking it because you are trying to hide. To hide. You are trying to hide your asshole from all of us. You should be more of an asshole. I think you have a great potential for asshole mess, which you are not exploiting. Come on, try. Stop. Don't be humble. You are great. Even Vincent can see that. You see how obvious it is. Even Vincent can see you are great. The only... I love these quotes. How diving into your shame can stifle the fire burning in Vian. So, yeah, burn it. Burn a big ass hole a bit. It will do a lot of good. Even to your channel. People love an unapologetic asshole. In this vibration, this density right now can use an unapologetic non-judgmental because there are many bubbles that need to be pricked. So be the prick. Be the prick. Vincent, I think you get that advice. It's like, hey, take your awakening and be a prick with it. It's like the exact opposite of what's normally said is that, oh, you awaken and you become this equanimous, peaceful, joyous. I appreciate that. All right, let's wrap. Yeah, let's wrap. Yeah, I think the densities are calling for Vincent, I believe, this time. I am telling you through myself as another expression in your house that it is time for you to end the call with that other expression of myself that you've had a great call with. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. It's time. It's time. It's time for lunch, baby. Yes, I like it. The words in it. I like it more. I like your love. Thank you. See you, baby. This was really nice. Thank you so much and thanks everyone for tuning in. I hope you had a good time. We would love to hear your thoughts in the comments below on the episode. Let us know how you feel and give the video a like if it brought you value and share the video with other people that you feel like it would be really insightful for. And subscribe if you haven't. And that's all. Adore you so much. VG was such a blast. That was such a good episode. I will reveal myself to you over time. You can't take it. You can only receive it. I love those. Those are so good. The defocus meditation was great. That shedding the onion layer down to nothing. Dancing around the black hole singularity that we are. Adore you infinitely. Thanks everyone for tuning in. We'll see you soon. Bye-bye.