 Going live go waiting live That was really scary there first that was a technical error, you know, I I pressed go live and What happened was it said please try later? Please try later. Please wait as You have not paid your subscription And That's all we need to say about that. All right. What are we talking about today? You tell me. I'll tell you I was gonna grab my help. I'll give you a hit. I'll give you a guess. Oh, I'm mated I'm mated Can you believe it? 40 years 40 years holy cow Mad what an album an hour a second. It's 40 years. I go, you know what we got to talk about this We got to do made it my my second favorite album of the collection. I must say yeah, I would say Let me just adjust something here. Yep. I agree. I love this album. Yeah, me too And it just gets better over time. I mean just the album cover alone, you know Like when you think of our remaining you think of that album cover, right? It's a classic Like man, you know number the beast is great, but there's just something so brilliant about that album cover, right? It's it's just you got what is it sure at the heart? I mean everything For me everything took a step up. Okay, like I listen. It's funny that you know, you said, let's do the show It's 40 years and I just finished listening to this last week, right? And I mean Just the eyes of march that just the opening sound with martin birch producing the sound is Is as steve would say chalk and cheese compared to the first one, right? I mean, all right The first one's hard to go back and let's do you hear the songs live and they're so powerful And then you go back to the first album and it's like, oh man This really takes away from the whole experience, but this album really steps up and delivers And in fact steve wanted martin birch on the first album But you know, I didn't think that they were worthy enough to reach out to this guy who's done everything from rainbow and black Sabbath and fleetwood mac You know, they were just the new kids on the walk in their first album, but Unbeknownst to steve martin birch when he heard the first I was like, why didn't they call me? I would have loved to have done this So a missed opportunity that was rectified on the second album And intro to mr. Adrian smith, right? Then there's stratton no longer in the band. Can you believe it's been 40 years? Who's that the album was released. It was 40 years ago No, I know it's like it's shocking. Okay, go ahead. Adrian smiths on the band then it stratens out And uh, you know adrian tried to have success with his own band urchin Yeah And they didn't quite pan out and he found himself really with with not much of a future in that band And he had just happens to bump into dave and steve Who they wanted to ban on the first album, but adrian wanted to do his own thing, of course And uh, they just bumped into him. So what are you doing? Nothing want to join us? Yeah, sure It was as simple as that, right And uh, I mean that just uh, and clive burr, of course his drumming is I mean still still, uh, you know still my favorite art made in drummer I mean he's got that kind of swing feel and delivering the licks and The drum fills that are Still, uh, legendary today, right? Yeah, I mean the songwriting on this album Yeah, I mean, I agree with you clive burr. There's there's a certain You know, they kind of went kneel pert when they had uh, let's say I wouldn't call them bottom, but I call them they had like think of a cozy powerlish Trummer and then they went kneel pert with a nicko, right? So there's definitely a change And you know like you always say, you know Burr was the feel he was the feel the drummer with the feel and an incredible drummer um In terms of the songs. All right, so Martin birch produces this the production holds up to this day. Does it not? It's the first thing I noticed when I put the needle down on the vinyl. It was just it just It's so live So so Dave Murray came out saying Dave Murray was an urchin with agent for a while For a little bit. Yeah, they try to recruit agent. Yes, that's when uh, Steve fires Dave from Iron Maiden Yeah, he didn't want to do it But it the singer kind of forced him to do so and there was a big mistake and he went back and got Dave And that that's when Dave was with urchin. Steve calls it. Look, I'm getting the band back together Are you in and Dave's like, yeah, sorry, Adrian. I'm out of here. Bye-bye And Dave actually gets a writing credit on on this album as well Right So, uh, yeah, I mean, uh, look, you know, I uh, I got the a number of the beast was my first introduction to Maiden in 82 And june, I believe it was and then I went back and cut the back catalog and I actually bought this in 83 uh, september of 83 and uh But I remember my friend's older brother had actually seen him on the killer's tour They were playing smaller clubs and he walked out and said that's like the loudest concert He's ever heard in this life. I don't know where they were playing but I guess they blew the roof off. So And then, you know, paul's voice everything about this. I mean including paul's voice You know, there's a there's a maturity. I think that was lacking from the first one and unfortunately it was paul's last album with them But I mean what a way to go out, you know innocent exile rat child Just the vocal delivery on killers and then he got the you know, the softer more delicate pieces and paul told us I can't remember which interview but whatever interview it was he said martin birch Really worked him hard And to this day those those skills that he sort of instilled in him as he was recording that album He carries it on to today, you know when he does studio recordings because you know birch has that, you know The deep purple headmaster headmaster birch He was right here. I was just reading this before we went on like produced engineered and bullied Yes, martin headmaster birch. That's a good point. I know I know that paul also told us He much prefers the first album the raw sound into this polished sound and Believe it or not when this first came out killers The critics were very non-committal. In fact, one critic gave it the one star rating Of course Another side story to that was that paul had kind of broken up with this said reviewer And lefter and I think a little revenge was into the the one one star rating But again, it was like at the time new album was kind of already Dusted off and ready to for any first the six foot grave and they would maybe felt a little bit of the backlash You know where where I think You know the first album went into charts at number four this one went in at number 12 So we can see where the the movement of new album was starting to fade already You know when you talk to bands like I'll give you one example like scottie and you read his book What was the album that inspired him right? It was killers The there was something about killers that inspired a generation generations of of bands and musicians and people wanting to get into music And oh and and again like a lot of this stuff was already written right david I mean they were working it back in 77 all the way up until the release of their first They had to choose what were the best songs for the first album And yeah, it's a lot of these like we're at trial was a leftover. You said like Purgatory was a song that was previously titled floating Uh, this is a funny comment for matthew. Okay biggest maiden fan. I just joined was watching missy lego's press conference I hope dr. Urata and missy lego can join on this discussion Probably not I put him more as a A creed fan dr. Mr. Legault So uh, no again And again acoustic guitar, right? I mean it took them what until dance of death to reintroduce an acoustic guitar in an album So so yeah prodigal son And it's probably one of the newer songs that were written for the album Shocking enough when I discuss this back and forth It was never really played in the iron maiden years like the diano set, right? There was a strict set list that they had when they toured north america and europe, right? But they never put prodigal son in the set list has paul played the song live I would guess I think I asked him once Why don't you put prodigal son in the set list and he goes. Yeah, maybe But that was about it. I mean, I don't know if he's actually played it. Maybe he's tried it Maybe he has it. I don't maybe it's not his own days. Now murders in the room or this is a song that they still play You know today, right? And it's it's a kind of a treat for the fans. They hear bruising some of the earlier stuff Yeah But it's you know, that's another classic off that album. So two instrumentals right eyes of march And gang is con and now it's a march the history behind that is a thunder burst taken off of samson's head-on album Right, so thunder stick writes the song or the drum pattern With steven the bad and his iron maiden years Takes that song to samson records it meanwhile iron maiden recorded at idsum march steve gets the credit on samson as a co-writer with barry perkis who's thunder stick But barry does not get the credit Sorry barry All right, so next Rothschild Yeah, what a way to start the album right? I mean The instrument is kind of a build-up and it's kind of those great drums and Leads right into rathschild and that like when we did our top 10 list of iron maiden songs rathschild certainly made that list It was it's it's what a great lyric, you know, and that song goes back you're talking that was one of the 1977 probably even before songs right Metal for muthas mothers mothas muthas There's different versions of that song right And the one that appears in killers of course is a re-recorded version of it And probably that's why the critics were so hard on them on killers Because they kind of heard those songs in the past in in the uk And suddenly they're kind of like regurgitating. I wouldn't call it regurgitating But refinancing these older songs You know Yeah, yeah, all right. I thought I lost you there. You froze. No, no, no, I mean You're sucking it. You're just I get it just uh, you know just the production and the professionalism You know, they had matured so much from the first album. I find and I you know, I can't understate the Contribution of martin birch to to the to that sound making him such a much more more sure sounding band And of course the next one knocked it out of the out of the parks orders in the room work that nice slow Harmonics, you know the guitar and just like picks up edgar allen pose short story But I think they twisted at the end right and and and the guy who killed the two women in paris was actually that character Don't don't spoil And then the great album covers from all the singles I remember back in the day all the the picture discs or the the singles That would they would always send out, you know, there was the one with twilight zone Where the woman's in front of the mirror putting her macy Lipstick and stuff on you got eddy and you could see him as a ghost in the in behind Uh purgatory if I can just do this here to my second favorite album Right. Look at this. This is crazy. It's like look at that great. Yeah, it is it is it is I love that's my second favorite album cover map you flipped around for that half eddy half the devil classic Uh, yeah, you know, and you know, here's here's another cool point by came and he just told me about this right before Derek Riggs created the artwork for the number of the beast During this time period and it was intended to be the single artwork for purgatory that you just showed right But the band decided that the artwork was so good that it should be used for the next album and Derek Riggs Had to create the devil eddy artwork to be used as a single that you just saw when alan turned his back to us I Mean again, you just made it alone, right like Name another artist that you know did an album cover for another band, but everybody knows Derek Riggs Yeah, yeah, I mean that's how much influence his album covers had You know, we've we've discussed this before like power slave You're spending hours trying to see all the hieroglyphics In the tombs and then somewhere in times of classic, right? I mean you got so much going on there And and that's all the Derek Riggs right up until Fear of the dark, right? That's when they know what it was always the question of Who's that person that's being killed, right? Who's that? Is that margaret thatcher at the time because you know, you had that picture from the from running free, right? From it was that a continuation of it all and then women in uniform with maggies revenge and Yeah, yeah, and again like this one, you know, you see the russian arms At the time, who knows russian arms and this is you know Derek said he's in the he's never visited this area of london But the guys talked about it so much. This was kind of his impression of the neighborhood You know all the russian arms and you know, you got charlotte I think you got charlotte undressing somewhere and you got the people peeking through their windows and If you want to read it here, I could there's another book jim that I find is it's really great I recommend it to everybody. This is the Authorized biography run to the hills I got the third edition. Well, here's the book that I really, you know, I must have read this through Read this through about 15 times, right? So yeah, yeah, yeah And it's a great great read for any ironmaid if and it's like the bible as far as i'm concerned Well, this is like the bible to me because i'm on chapter two. That's why Talking about killers So and going through the songs allen Take a song like another life another song that was taken from the 1977 lineup with denise wilcock On vocals the big troublemaker terry wapram wapram I think i'm pronouncing that right on guitar tony moore and keyboards So, I mean you're talking about another life has a history like a deep history 1977 And of course genghis kong. I'm not quite sure when that song was written. Was that written during The 80s like right before the album came out. I don't know when they actually wrote it So if somebody knows out there when genghis kong was written Please tell us but in another point though to go back to what I was saying earlier about the new album Uh You know rod smallwood When you have a good manager like zeppelin had probably the best with peter grant And rod smallwood with ironmaid and he that takes a band to heart And does what he has to do to make the band popular. I mean diamond head was supposed to be the next zeppelin And there's you know stories of bud prager who was the manager for foreigner who was super hot at the time coming over to See if I wanted to manage them and they were being managed by uh, shan harris's mother at that point And he's like, yeah, I'm interested in your band and she's like, who are you? You know It's like only bud prager, you know, his band is only sold about 50 million copies of their albums But you know, so so again when rod these guys got signed By emi rod says give me three albums. I need three albums to establish what I need them to do We'll take this a much off the first album this much. I need for the second album the third album You don't have to pay us anything, you know, we'll be we should be more sufficient right then And and you know and and he went and met all the artist reps in in america You know made sure they had a good time got them all wasted got them all blind drunk And so when he came when I come back in six months with my band Don't worry rod. We'll be working for you like I mean he went there and physically met all these guys shook their hands Took them out for a great time. So they'll remember him when he needed them later on when made it toward america. So Again, this is not too many bands got this type of manager hands-on with their manager, you know The six members made it actually the seventh today, right? Yeah always consider part of the band Um locked him onto the kiss tour. Yes, which was huge like then Judas Priest. Yeah So they were always Opening with such, you know just and perfect fits, right priest and maiden I mean like who wouldn't want to see that that was a just a natural fit, right? Yeah, I you know another interesting fact is twilight zone. How was it included in the uk release or the european release? But it was included in the north american release So we got that track and I always thought it was part of the album, right back in the day So, uh, that's a cool little snippet release as a single the album The album went platinum in canada and then gold just about everywhere else. So It's interesting how the album never really had a run to the hills type song I mean you could say Rothschild, but at the same time It never really had that that hit single. It was more of an underground No, and even the innocent exile I think the maiden japan version is the one everybody kind of remembers a little bit more than even the The studio version you know strange enough the first album, you know It was running hills that was carrying that album because they went on you know top of the pops It was who running free running free. Yeah. Yeah running free, you know, they played that on top of the pops They had that hit That kind of hit right in the album it helped the album, but they didn't really have that hit It was more of a deep cut album And twilight zone probably the closest thing to a hit but at the same time It's not really to me. It's like a deep track the whole album's full of deep tracks It's just a great heavy album You know how I got the album I'll tell you the story It was And again, it was it was a gift it was a gift exchange I can't remember it was Christmas or just a gift exchange in school grade seven And this girl said, okay, what do you want? And go, you know, give me the a new art and this Iron Man album Your killers and her mother gave her shit, you know, because why are you buying this for him? It's disgusting as disgraceful true story. She told me her mother was giving her shit It's like, well, you can't buy that because back then this is like the craziest thing you could ever think of, right? So that's why I put it on I didn't I didn't even know what the song sounded like I had absolutely no idea put it on You know, it wasn't they weren't playing around the radio They weren't playing it on the radio So you had no idea and I was like then after that I got made in Japan And then after I got made in japan, I got the first album And made in japan a lovely great album cover too. I love the colors on that album Yeah, I think it was a nice introduction to made into another smart move, right? I mean, you know 599 And you got five songs live and they were all the top top hit songs. So It was just another nice way to introduce people or Iron Maiden. So Yeah, the song killer is interesting and a little note there when they played live at the rainbow There was I think it's the rainbow, right? There was alternate lyrics like the first lyrics I think paul was just kind of just mumbling anything And then they actually sat down and and finished it and did a proper lyric It's different set of lyrics on the album than when they're earlier live That's right and drifter going back going back I mean, you know another song that goes back into the deep history of iron maiden When there was no paul diano paul down. It was the third singer, right? And you know Basically a fan favorite you could hear it on a lot of their bootlegs Drifter, you know singing yodio to yodio with the fans And of course purgatory which was called floating back in the day. So a lot of name changes here and there No, but a great You know, I got agent with this leopard print vest on which he still regrets to this day, but cool guitar Dave, I mean, Dave could do it all right a great guitarist Like they said You know the first album they didn't really need Dennis Dave could do all the guitar parts. So Yeah, and uh, and of course clive birds strumming. I mean there's a lot going on and they just like a great feel And he just looks so great. I mean he was a great fit to the band, right? I mean, I'll fire them young guys and and that's it would that's what they lost is kind of that punk feel and but you know when When paul left the band, but again, I don't see paul having being as cosmopolitan and visiting all these countries I made and eventually did where bruce always tried to learn her the local language would always say something in with the local language and I know when it comes to montreal, I I don't think he believes anybody here speaks english I mean bruce would spend the whole night speaking in french. So it was pretty Hats off to him. He speaks pretty well. He speaks pretty well in french too. I gotta say he's pretty pretty fluent Um, he does a good job. You're right. Um And then comes the the demise of paul diano or the exit of paul diano He says He says he never he never liked the production on this album He thought it was too polished and he was it was upsetting him and then he got tired of touring and then I don't know if drugs and alcohol played a role, but I'm sure that played a role in every band And a lot of time a lot of people saying that he knew the writing was on the wall That he was gonna be gonna be pushed out. So he just quit before they pushed him out. Wow So I mean it's a combination you know If you piece it all together, I mean he was living a rock and roll lifestyle because that's why paul told us That's why guns are bad to begin with it's not to fit schedules and make sure I'm gonna plan my life three years in advance And what tour we're gonna be on So that affects your voice after a while, right? So then there's nights. You couldn't go on There's nights that they had to force him out there. He was According to steve paul was faking these feigning spells, you know, and uh, you know, he would always come around and deliver for the show but it became kind of A stress that they didn't need with their touring schedules being what it was at that time And like you said paul paul says he quits and they said they they were gonna fire him So it's neither here or there. I mean, it's his last album with them and uh And a lot of fans think it's what it's probably their best album too You know It's kind of even paul admits like he said to us He had a lot of his time. I mean made and that's the singer bruce was a singer that made and should have got And he thinks they're a much stronger band with bruce and no no harm no foul I mean, uh, we got two great albums with paul and the the rest is history with uh with bruce My thing was they should have done at least one more album with paul I gotta tell you alan so i'm listening to I didn't even know paul left the band because back then I just didn't know paul left the band I just kind of had the albums was a fan I knew they came through town But I was I was young right so I didn't know paul left and suddenly, you know, I think on the radio They go, okay, we're playing the new iron maiden song. It's like, you know show them fm, right? And it's run to the hills and I go wow paul sounds different paul sounds different and then upon researching what happened paul's it's not paul anymore and I was kind of Upset and when I did see the number of the beast tour there were also other people upset But bruce won everybody over at the end of the day. So Yeah, yeah, it's one way of saying it People were upset that paul was in the band. He was part of that success Back in the day, right and to me. I don't know. I would have liked a few more albums with paul And that summer of 80 82 you can go anywhere without hearing run to the hills, right? I mean it was blasting everywhere That's why I went and picked the album up and Then of course everything that came after right then you listen to the albums and Invaders was an odd opener not as strong as rat childhood killers That's for sure But then you know children of the dams 22 acacia avenue the prisoner But we asked paul paul was there any songs from number of the beast that was sort of left over that you worked on and he said Absolutely nothing. So it was all fresh. Yeah, but you know what? Here's my theory. My theory is when paul Left the band steve was writing songs with paul's voice in mind because he's with paul for three years now, right? And you could see that lower registered number of the beast not on all tracks But a lot of that aggressive tone There's this little bit of a punky attitude from bruce, right? And I think it's because steve was writing with paul's vocals in mind Now fast forward to blaze bailey Steve was writing with bruce's Vocals in mind when I was writing the songs for blaze, which a little higher than he could handle, right? So it's kind of like You see where i'm getting at or maybe i'm not getting at anywhere I hear you, but I don't know where you're getting at. Okay. Yeah. Well, but again going back to blaze Like our our kids aged they were introduced to maiden during the blaze era So their favorite albums are like, you know, virtual x and the x-factor, you know virtual 11 and You know whereas we're like what? No, it's got to be a bruce album and then before I said, no, paul, paul had it all So it just depends when you listen to it and which which version of mating that you tuned in that At the at the get-go. So I know that paul, you know, he hasn't walked in three to four years And I know there's a fundraising for him to get Some money. So if you know if you love paul, you know, I guess it'd be a nice thing to help him out He hasn't walked Now I think in four years So I it's kind of, you know, he's a legend. There's a legacy there. Definitely I remember seeing him live here in montreal and I mean he was just Limping right up until the mic and then we when we interviewed him. He has nothing left no cartilage whatsoever bone on bone And I mean that was years ago. He was looking to get a replacement done Sad to hear that it never happened. So yeah, and then the worst thing is I think he was scheduled for surgery And then the whole covert thing just delays it another year, right? I mean again You imagine the pain you're living with during that time. So yeah, I mean nobody should go through that amount of pain And he's just waiting. He's just waiting and you know, it's it's it's been rough. So, uh, that's off the paul, you know Hope he gets better We talked to him from now here and you know here and then here and there we talked to him and he gives us an update So it's pretty cool. Yeah, what a joy. He's always a great interview. That's for sure paul and uh and Yeah, I mean, what I wouldn't but what there's nothing really left to say just uh, so everybody I'll just ask here. It's the production gym It stands out so much compared to that first album and of course they had years and years of great sounding records with Martin birch and his big thing later on in their career was trying to get as much music on You know, they would say this album contains 55 minutes worth of music because they he had to get the grooves couldn't be too tight They had to be equal space But they try to cram on as much of music on onto an album as possible That was his biggest challenge years later. So yeah, well, uh, everybody out there was watching just tell us Just your favorite track off of killers As a sort of homage to killers tell us your favorite track for you all and what would it be? My favorite track on this I'd have to say rath child Really? Yeah I don't know. I think for me I was I think killers has got to be the most brutal iron maiden song that there is Hands down throughout their whole catalog Which one Jim? Killers Yeah, yeah killers is a good song too I just love the the lyrics of rath childhood, you know, yeah, my mother was a queen. I was never meant to be, you know And funny enough. Yeah, there is no word called rath child in the english language. That's another point That was a sort of play on words At least it worked it worked. It worked. I always liked for me has been killers murders in the room work and uh Let's see if I was gonna name tracks Yeah, rath child is a given I like the it is a light zone and twilight zone. I think the vocal delivery on twilight zone is is as paul it is best In addition exile too, but I prefer the maiden maiden japan version live version It's supposed to be written for his grandfather paul rhoder for his grandfather apparently But then there's another one that he doesn't get credit on on this How we might get credit for it later on In other albums here like this. So salty goes charlotte the harlot joey goes phantom. Okay guys guys, we're talking about this one right here Prodigal, you know paul's paul's is prod, prodigal son, which I don't think they touched the acoustic guitar until what 25 years later Right. Yeah, it was dance of death was the first one when they came back acoustic guitar came back They made a big deal about it. No, but prodigal son. That's a great track, too It's it's it's really different and again it goes back to maturity But but you know a lot of people say hey, there's no there's no phantom of the opera here There's no uh running free like you were saying earlier But that's what I like about the um they could consider them all kind of deep tracks, right? Yeah to a certain extent and but I mean just a super strong album and I mean you you you got the killers and then I kind of went backwards I got number of the beast and I went back and got killers and then I got iron maiden a week later after I got killers And then of course a piece of mind I mean that then it was a race who would be the first one to buy the iron maiden album ever ever after right You know, it's funny came and you just said They used to integrate the police walking on the moon, you know the yodio deodio deodio That that part of the drifter. I don't know it was that was that some sort of like You know live Chat that people did back in the day I don't know if it was the police's or the police steal that from Other bands and it's just kind of the thing to do back then. I don't know came out saying murderers Tony saying the whole album is a classic steelhead is saying Rothschild Funny enough. I agree funny enough on uh on thunder thunderbolt The thundersnake on his original picture that he took they had real to real rehearsal tapes And If you look at the sort of the writing of all the tracks on the real to real He wrote rap child as Roth child like in the Rothschilds You know the family the Rothschilds and you kind of put the lyrics together and you kind of say Rothschilds, you know, maybe a Bastard son from the Rothschild I don't know. Maybe he flipped it around afterwards But you know read the lyrics think of the Rothschilds and maybe it's somewhere there. I don't know. Maybe just some sort of fantasy Mr. Rock and Dodge by the way, there is an acoustic guitars in revelation Yeah, but i'm talking Yeah, you're right. There is Kind of well, it's it's kind of acoustic sounding It might be acoustic too, but there's a lot of electric going on there as well But this but I mean this is this is an intro and a song that's Really acoustic guitar, right? Yeah, no. Yeah, it's it's it's strange enough like again, you know Prodigal son, I would think they didn't want to play it live Because they didn't want to get away from that street punky metal new wave of british heaven metal style Because I would kind of like people what's going on here? What's going on your simon and garf uncle? What's happening, right? I don't know. I'm just guessing I mean they played a On this seventh son of a seventh son tour. They played a whole blues thing Dave steve Uh, you know to give Bruce his his voice arrest And they went on to this whole kind of bluesy feeling thing and we're all like what's what's this about, you know But it's just to give bruce bruce's voice arrest Bruce does play the acoustic guitar. There's an acoustic break in revelations There probably is they're probably all right. It's not prominent. You're trying you're saying now It's not a prominent guitar. It's more of an overdub Of guitar. That's what you're saying On the prophecy on the seventh son that too. Okay. I get you Well, one thing's for sure. I miss paul diano Yeah, you're You're a huge and I always wondered in my head. How would number the B sound with paul diano? I think it would be okay. I mean, you know, okay, granted It's not going to be the same But I think it would have been more of an angrier raw. It would have been a great album, but it's just a different album I mean, it's bruce's bruce's perfection on that album I'm not gonna argue there. It would have been a different album would have been a different album So that's pretty much it well any other fun tips anybody has out there Suffice it to say or we're blessed 40 years later that we can still talk about this great release And we'll have to do it the next year for you know, what for which one uh next so Let's see, uh asking everybody any last comments A lot of people watching alan so i want to get some last comments here. I made Actually rock and rio where bruce says And now something from the jurassic period Didn't you say that? And they play rothrown. You don't remember do you? Could be i don't know Tony says paul Could never sing children of the dan dammed or hallowed be thy name. I don't know how be thy name I think he could children of the dammed Which is sort of I think an offshoot of children of the sea back in the day Are you allergic to your microphone because you just keep getting farther and farther away, uh So you try to ease yourself out of the free, you know, you know, it is if I put it too close I'll get too much distortion. That's why All right, okay. Well, this was fun. All right guys. Thank you everybody for tuning in 40 years here on the metal voice celebrating celebrating celebrating and many different ways