 Why exactly is it that there are groups of Charismatics who believe in the gift of healing, who teach the gift of healing, and practice the gift of healing, and they don't just run down to the children's hospital and empty out the cancer wing? This is a question that's lobbed over at me quite a bit as a Charismatic who does those things. If you turn on YouTube, there's always somebody that is going to tell you that they have this particular gift. Now, the question is going to be this. Is there an actual gift of healing? The second question is, do people still have that gift? We know, we all will say that yes, God still heals. But does God use people? Does God work through anybody to heal them? That's the question. Is that particular gift in play? Is it only in play in a hospital setting with a doctor, with drugs, or are there still miraculous healings through people's hands? Now, let me give you a quick story before I continue because someone's going to say, Corey, you have never been one that has won to submit or to acknowledge the power of God. I recall this was 1991, yeah, 91, 92. I can't remember exactly the time. And I was in college at Texas Tech. And we were playing basketball. There was a guy that was on the court, young guy, same age as me, who just collapsed. Now, I was a newer Christian, hadn't been saved a long time, longer than young Dondo. And when the guy collapsed, he was just non responsive. And so what did I do? All I could do was I put my hands on him, laid my hands on him and prayed. And then next thing you know, the guy set up. I've got the gift of healing. All I needed to do was just start charging folks. I need to go on tour, go to a church. I'm joking about the last part, but the first part I did, I did put my hands on him to pray. I wasn't acting as though I had the gift of healing. I just prayed. I just did all I knew to do. That was just to pray over him. Am I saying I had the gift of healing? No. Am I saying that it was just a coincidence that he woke up? I have no idea. I have no idea. But I didn't walk around saying that, you know what? I can heal people. I've got that gifting that the Lord is working into me because I just, I just don't know. However, though, I believe that the Lord still does work that the Lord has still got and he can heal whomever he wants to. Now, is it through me or it? I'm not saying that at all. I don't know. But just in case someone says that, Corey, you've always denied that gift. No, I don't. When someone, when someone is sick, when someone is going through, when someone is injured, I pray. It's the first thing I do. And I'm asking for God to step in. Isn't that what we're supposed to do? So it's not like I'm just denying the power of God. I'm not pretending that I have something that I don't have either, however he wants to work. But do you all remember? Because what I always wanted to see, I always wanted to see something more than what I happened there. Because I don't know. Maybe the guy just fainted and his fainting spell had ran his course and it was time to come. I don't know. But you know what I really wanted to see? I wanted to see somebody who, I don't know, had cancer. I touched him, the cancer went away. I would love to see that. Or someone who, man, if you die and I touch you, if you die and I touch you, yeah. Do you know how much that would just go to your head? If you die, I touch you and you raise, oh man, listen. So I don't have that gift. I certainly don't have that gift. But I would like to see it happen. I would like to see somebody who, I don't know, who's a quadriplegic touch them and they can walk. Someone who's blind and they, and it had to be me. It doesn't have to be me. It can be someone else doing it. I just want it to be verifiable. I want to see it happen and know that it happened. But we're waiting on that kind of stuff because we hear all these rumors, but still no examples. However, however, I think we got close though, didn't we? Recently, recently. It wasn't, no, it wasn't someone being raised from a dead. It wasn't a blind person. It wasn't a paraplegic or quadriplegic being raised out of their wheelchair or anything like that. No, but someone's foot being healed. Someone, someone having some toes grow back. I just experienced one of the most incredible weeks of my life this last week for quite a few reasons. But one, I was at a great, great church in Springfield, Missouri. And James River Church there, great, amazing pastors just can't, can't speak high, too high of them. This gal was at one of the other campuses and said, I want my toes back. And so another guy I was praying for, and as I, as I, I have, I have the statement took about 30 minutes, but they saw the bone come, wrap in flesh, completely grow out. And by morning, the toenails, everything in form. She got three brand new toes. Because it's Bill Johnson, nobody believes him. I don't think even the people in the audience are, but maybe they do. I don't know if they believe or not. But, and I'm not the most technological savvy person. I don't like taking a whole lot of pictures. I do take pictures of my grandkids, my granddaughters and my grandson and so forth. I do take pictures with my cell phone. If I'm missing some toes, there's going to be some picture somewhere where my toes are gone. And then if they grow back, I can guarantee you there'll be some pictures off this camera, off this phone, with my toes back. Why don't we see the pictures? We had three toes that were amputated in a terrible accident. I heard the word for creative miracles and I thought, well, I certainly have a creative miracle that I might need. I need three toes to grow back. The person next to me said, do you want new toes? And I was like, well, sure. All the women got down and they prayed over my foot and I decided to take my shoe off to see what was happening. When he said, let's see the progress or if anything's happened. And when I did, I had to grab the person next to me and say, do you see what I see? And I saw three toes that were forming and now there's length to them tonight. Again, there's a, there's a camera, a video of everything everywhere. You can't walk down the street without knowing that somebody has captured you walking down the street, a ring door bell or something like that, some closed circuit camera, something, someone's cell phone, something, something like that. And people do not go off and just leave their cell phone. It's in their back pocket, their hip pocket, their purse, in their hand, their shirt pocket. And no, this is why just one, just one, just one is all we care about. Now there's a guy I think his name is John Melo or Melon, I'll get his name. I covered him before. A lady, a bit skeptical, but also frustrated and willing to try anything. She goes to one of his healing services and he's, says he's documented people being healed and so forth. And of course she's doesn't know that's true documentation. But anyway, she goes to see if she can be healed. Now there's a problem or I shouldn't say there's a problem, but there's something different about this thing that she needs healing from. This isn't toes, this isn't a back pain, this isn't an earache. No, this is something else. And so I don't know when the guy sees her, if he's thinking, might be in trouble. My time had come to be healed. Now the issue is she has confined her wheelchair. She can't walk. Now she can kind of move them a little bit with no real strength. She can't really stand up. And so let's see the power of this man who claims that he has the gift of healing and the faith to do so. Let's see what happens. Free, free, free, free, free. Is there something in the healing manual that makes these sound effects come out? That's or fire or where did that come from? She's touching me right now. You're on command right now. Come get some reports. Touch your brain right now. Command pain to go right now. Set her free in the name of Jesus. God touch her right now. This is what Jesus more or pain to go strength and strength and strength and strength and life. They're gonna strike this body right now. Don't fire or nothing. But we're patient. We'll just keep waiting and see what happens. Can you feel any pain discomfort? I'm starting to feel a little bit tired because I'm taking lots of weight on my arm. Can you feel pain though? Not on my legs because these guys are taking it all for me. What I want to say would be normally painful to do this. Yes. But you don't feel it now? Not at the moment. Now what he's trying to do is say that you don't feel any pain now. So maybe something's happening. He's trying to get her just through positive affirmation, positive thinking. Okay, well something's happening. I'm not feeling pain. It's like, well, I don't normally feel pain. I feel pain in the arm. You guys are holding me up though, but let's give him some more time though. Now this is very important. We see something we can usually walk instantly. Other times is a process. So how do you feel now? I don't think there's any change yet, but I'm willing to keep going. But you're up without pain? Yes. So normally how would the pain be like that before? It takes time for the pain to kind of get into my legs. So it's almost that weight in for the pain to develop with just standing for too long. Give her a hand. What a good sport. Give her a hand. What a good sport. No, give her a hand for what? Give you a boo because you didn't do it, but he's trying to get her to at least say something positive. Now, this is new. I'm sorry. This is new. None of this is new. We've always had people who have claimed to be able to heal. Remember, remember, lest we forget, Charles Taze Russell got his start with Miracle Wheat, a healing wheat. Who is he? Charles Taze Russell is the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses. And that's how he got started with this Miracle Wheat and being called out for that. And so this is the first time that we've seen this. As a matter of fact, it kind of kicked up in the early 1900s and then really, really ramped up and took off in the 1970s, 1980s in particular. Born by one, his former followers are beginning to tell tales of alleged deceit. The latest, Mary Elizabeth Turk of Dallas, who says Tilton promised to heal her cancer if she would give him $1,000. She almost died waiting. He said, I've got the faith. All you need to do is obey and send the money. And he said, because he was going to profit, she was so swayed by Tilton's promises of a miracle, she stopped her medical treatment. He died from colon cancer. Okay, that didn't go well. That didn't go well. Here's a woman who is so desperate. And that's what happens. You get people that are desperate and frustrated. They'll do anything. And so she puts her faith in him and he puts his faith in her checks that keep coming in and she dies. But listen to what the doctor said would have happened had she not put her faith in him, but just simply came to the doctor to get treatment. The doctor that was her oncology specialist when she was in the hospital, taking her radiation and her chemotherapy said that if she had received medical care in time, she could have been cured, which is a strong word in cancer. She felt that because of the constant bombardment of personal mailings that Robert Tilton was so personally involved with her and her case and was monitoring every bit of it and was so concerned about her that he was powerful enough of a personality that he convinced her that she was going to receive a healing. Now, it's not just him because obviously this has passed on to other people, other stalwarts of the shrawltonized healing industry. That's him going through you right now. Yes, it is. Glory to God. You're not bound to this chair. The day will come. You'll walk out of it. In the name of Jesus. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Thank you, Lord. Now then, you guys just help him up. Help him up. Our God's all over him. He's not hurt. He's not hurt. Praise the God. Praise the God. That was him at the very end. After that, that's him in the audience still not healed. Now, he's not in the wheelchair, thankfully, because no one can push him over. And I say, okay, Christopher says, he says, some are fake, which we know, but many healing ministries are real. Tim Hall is one who is authentic. He's been to our church and people that I know personally were healed and it has been verified. You know how we can all see, here's the problem though, Christopher. Here is the problem with all of that. All we need is just some proof. Question. Do we need proof? Should we have some proof? Should it be validated for us, us who might be a bit skeptical? See, I'm willing to go out on a limb and say, although I don't even know who Tim Hall is, but I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that no, he hadn't. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say, no, he hadn't. If so, give us some proof, picture, video, something. I don't want the testimony of this one person says, I had a backache. Now I don't. I had a sciatic. Now I don't. I was riddled with SIDS. Now I'm not. We want some proof. And it's that hard. Can I, can I tell you, can I actually give you, where's that? The fact of the matter is, matter of fact, I'll wait. I'm going to hold this point, but the Bible actually tells us that when the apostles did so, that they were, they were given validity to what they were doing. And so we're going to look at that because if you think that we don't need to see, we do need to see. We absolutely do need to see. And it is biblical. We'll get to that in a second. But this one guy, he bothers me. This guy bothers me and he is causing good, godly people to fall by the wayside. This is our good friend, Kenneth Copeland, and he does something here that just wrangles me, irks my nerves, all of this, all of this. Well, no, we're not saying that everyone's fake. We're not saying everyone is fake. We are not saying everyone is fake. But can somebody just give some proof? Is it wrong to ask for proof? When the Bible says what proof of or what signs of repentance do you believe, a repentant person is going to actually verify that some sort of way down the road. When every, can I ask you guys a question? Everybody in the Bible that was healed, how do we know they were healed? Everyone in the Bible that was healed, how do we know they were healed? Is there any way to know that those folks in the Bible that were healed, is there any way to know that they were actually healed? I'm wondering. Is there any way to know? Well, we know because the Bible showed us. The Bible tells us, literally tells us the blind person. They're in the, they're there. Matter of fact, let me just do this. Let me, let me go to this particular passage. Let me put it on the screen since I didn't, I didn't do it already. I want to go ahead and mark this and put this on the screen. One, two, three, four, five. And then add my, I didn't do it later earlier. So let me go ahead and put it up. I believe this is Acts chapter four. And I want to say 16, I believe. Yeah, I'm sorry. 15, 15. So let's put on the screen and seeing the man who had been healed standing with them. They had nothing to say in reply. But when they had ordered them to leave the council, they began to confer with one another saying, what shall we do with these men? For the fact that a noteworthy miracle has taken place through them is apparent to all who live in Jerusalem and we cannot deny it. But so that it will not spread any further among the people, let us warn them to speak no longer to any man in this name. Now they see that a miracle is taking place and they don't want folks to know about it. But there's, it's apparent, it's clear. Should all the miracles that we see be named a miracle in the Bible that wasn't apparent and clear to the people, not only to the unbelievers, I'm sorry, not only to the believers, but also to the unbelievers. When God moves, the believers and the non-believers alike believe it. They see it and they believe it. So it's not enough to keep coming back and saying, well, yeah, there are some that aren't fake. Okay, fine. Maybe there are. Maybe there are. And we're not saying that God doesn't move. We're saying though that all of those that say that they are should have some validity, some proof. You can't just come out and just say this, especially, here's what's funny. Here's what's funny. Notice that every last one of the people, and I mean every last one of those people, Christopher, every last one of those people that claim that they do have horrible doctrine. So God is working, working through these people with bad doctrine. They don't have enough faith to trust the Word of God, but God gives in the power to do these things. Meanwhile, the people that are faithful to His Word, God doesn't give them that ability. Does that seem a little bit off, a little bit backwards a little bit? So I'm saying just do the easy thing. Give some sort of validity. Give some sort of picture. Give some sort of proof. That's all. Or else just don't wonder why we are not buying because here's what we do know. These people who do so have enriched themselves. Think about Robert Tilton. Think about these people. These healers make a lot of money. And so what do the today, the healers of the day do? They want to emulate that because people love money. It's a cash cow. Now I will say this. I was personally offended by this next video clip. Not by the person. He's already offensive and you just kind of tune him out now. He just says something's like just some weird crazy guy. I mean he's doing harm to the body without question. He really is. And he's even told people to not go to seek medical treatment or attention, but just have faith. And we'll deal with how much faith is required. But he did something. And it bothered me. Oh man, it bothered me. Put your hand on your head like that. Ball spots I call you gone. Blasphemy. Blasphemy, blasphemy, blasphemy. That guy, if for no other reason he's going to hell for that. Absolute blasphemy. Why would you take somebody with good scalp? Somebody with good scalp and you're going to make something blasphemy. And then look at this sellout right here. Look at this guy. This guy right here is a sellout. You see him? This guy right here, this brother, should be marked and avoided. He should be marked and avoided. Good bald head that you want to go ahead and mess with. First of all, you're underneath this charlatan and you know he's a charlatan because he wants you to grow hair. I don't cuss. I don't cuss. But if there's ever a time for me to cuss, it was right there. Right there. She's going, where are my bald headed brothers at? Y'all see this blasphemy? Y'all see this blasphemy? Just horrible. I don't know what, I don't know what's going on. When a person with a perfectly good, smooth, God ordained head wants to get it messed up with some hair. Yeah, but now it's not just them. It's not just the older people. Okay, see here's what I'm talking about. This is what I'm talking about. Being bald is not a choice. As a result of your hair didn't even like you. See what I'm talking about? I'm starting to question your salvation in your kind of red. I'm starting to question your salvation. Some of us have been touched by God. Some of us have been touched by God. No, being bald is not a choice. It's a lifestyle. Get it straight people. It's a lifestyle. Not for you ladies, but it's a lifestyle. Hey man fans, can you tell these people something? Can you tell these people something? You know hair to grow? You're already perfect. What's wrong with you? Anyway, this is not just something with the old folks though, the old crowd. There's a new wave of these false fake healers. You don't think there's an actual demon called unbelief? It could be the devil's strongest devil. People have always asked me, why are the miracles greater in India and Africa and Mexico and third world countries? Hunger, desperation, belief. Now, he brings up a point. This is Todd Bentley. This is the guy who says that the Lord told him to drop, kick somebody. Okay, but he brings up a point. Does it? It's unbelief required. Now there's a passage that they go to. They go to Mark chapter six. Let's put on the screen. Let's start in verse four. A prophet is not without honor except in his hometown and among his own relatives and in his own household and he and this is Jesus and he could do no miracle there except that he laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them and he wondered at their unbelief. So the question is, do you need to have faith in order to be healed? In other words, if I don't have the faith, does that preclude me from being healed? Because as he's brought up, how come in places like Africa and Asia and Indonesia and the back woods of some some third world country, what have you that we see these miracles? Well, first of all, we don't see these miracles. We hear people talking about them. And again, we do know that God can do certain things. We know that God can, but these men such as him, why don't we see it? He says the reason why we're not seeing it over here in America is a lack of faith. America is the third largest country on the planet in terms of population. In terms of populations, the third largest country on the planet. So you don't think that there's at least somebody here with that kind of faith? Nobody here has faith. This place over here with 10 million people or with a hundred thousand people, they've got more faith than at least somebody in the 300 plus million people over here in America. Nobody has a kind of faith. Is that what you're trying to say to us? And is that what this pastor is saying? Let's go back to this pastor. This pastor says that about Jesus says that he could do no miracle there except that he laid hands on a few sick people and healed them. Now, this is because they're unbelief, but notice what it says. Were some people healed? Look what it says. The text actually says some people were healed. He laid his hands on a few sick people and healed them. So though there was no real faith there, people did get healed. They didn't. And he marveled. The word for wonder is the word marvel at the moxing, which is, you know what that actually sounds like? Doesn't that sound like a drug at the moxing? That literally sounds like a drug. Maybe it is. I don't know, but it means to marvel. He wondered. He was like, wow, all these signs that are being done because there were some signs done and there's no belief here. We'll look at why they didn't have belief in just a little bit, but do you all believe that that's the reason why people can't be healed? What say you? You all in the chat. Can a person be healed without belief? Does it? Is it dependent upon their belief in order to be healed? Well, no, because we have examples of people in the body or in the Bible who have been healed and have belief. Yeah. What about the man whose, whose buddies lowered him down through the door, I mean, through the roof and Jesus healed them. Jesus didn't heal him because of his faith. Now it was their faith. They had faith in Jesus, but he didn't. The blind man, Jesus says that, that he's not blind because of his mother or his father's sin or his sin, but he's blind so that he can be glorified that day. So he gets healed. Your faith helps, but you having faith does not preclude God from healing you. But there's a reason for this, this healing occurring. We'll get there in a second, but in case you also believe that I was hitting on this point earlier, that you've got these older folks, these people that Benny Hens and the, and the Kenneth Copeland and so forth and the Jesse DePlanus, but there's a new way of these people as well. Not just Robert Tiltons of the world that have gone away, the, the Hagans and so forth. No, there's a new breed. There's a new breed of these people out here such as the great apostle Jonathan Ferguson. Now this young fella is, is in a wheelchair. He can stand and move a little bit, but he can't walk. By the way, after this, he still can't walk, but he goes to Jonathan Ferguson's church and he wants to be healed. By the way, in all of this, the young man, all he does is just lean up against that, is just lean up against that and he never actually walks. Okay. So you say that I'm wrong. Without faith, healing never comes. Read Matthew 8 10 through 13. Okay. So let's go to Matthew 8 10 13, Matthew 8. Now, when Jesus heard this, he marveled and said to those who were following, truly, truly, I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel. I say to you that many will come from east and west and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. But the sons of the kingdom will be cast into outer darkness in that place. There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And Jesus said to the censuring, go, it shall be done for you as you have believed. And the surgeon was healed that very moment. What was I wrong at? You said I was wrong about what? So Fidel, where was I wrong at? I said that if you don't have faith, you can still be healed. And I gave two examples. And there's a plethora of examples. As a matter of fact, there are a lot of examples of people who did have faith and didn't get healed. Who? Paul? Timothy? Is it from me? From us? Whatever his name is, I can't pronounce his name. Off top of my head. So yeah, where was I wrong at? Help me out. And I'm not saying that you're wrong about calling me wrong, but where was I wrong at? Do you have a pastor that says that you can only be healed because of faith? That God can't do anything? You all heard, what's his name? Ferdic? That's even one thing that God can't do. He can't override your lack of faith or your faith. Yeah, a trope of us. He can't override your faith. That's not true. That's not true at all. As a matter of fact, if it was up to us having faith in the beginning, none of us would ever get healed. Or would it even be safe? Because it's just something we don't have. So please help me out. But now let's get back to, I just did. He said, please give me, I gave you two examples, sir. I gave you two examples. Rewind the tape and listen again. Everybody's dancing except the person who's getting healed. What about the person? Now, again, he's got faith. And it's not just him. How about, how about our good friend, Mr. Lovie? You can see? You can see? Uh-uh. Pastor Jamal, she could not see her eyes are opened. Come to me, woman of God. Come to me. Walk to me. Leg over. Leg, leg over. Leg over. Come to me. Come to me. Now, he healed her of her blindness. So she would have, you think? Now, blind people, a couple things blind people have when they come up. Probably some glasses. Maybe she's legally blind and needs, you know, she can see sakes and so forth. And so she'll have some glasses or maybe she'll have just some shades on. But even if she's blind without wearing glasses, can I, can I show you something? Can I, can I show you something? And for Dale, you're just going to just be, you're just going to be, okay, that's fine. We'll come back to you later for Dale. But listen to this lady here. Look at this. This lady right here, that's her. Now, she walked down to get healed. She walked down without a cane and she's standing there without a cane. I don't know if she's looking or not, but she doesn't have a cane. She doesn't have anything. And there she is. But she was blind. She once was blind and now she sees. Hey, man, praise God. She once was blind, now she sees. Let's go to the scripture. Now, as a matter of fact, for Dale, I think someone actually told you, gave an example of the man. As a matter of fact, one of, I told you guys that, that the greatest moderators on the planet in all of YouTube history are here. And so our great awesome moderator, Chess Champ gave you an example. Peter cuts a man's ear off. And what does Peter do? I mean, what does God do? Jesus walks up and puts it back on. Did he say, excuse me, sir, mouthless? I think it's his name. Would you like to have your ear back? No, he just puts it back on. So you make a statement and your statement is not true. I didn't say that you shouldn't have faith. I'm saying that faith, when you say that people aren't being healed over here, it's because of a lack of faith. But the same lack of faith is over there in these other places and they're not being healed. We don't see it. We don't see it. Why don't you show us? Give us an example and see that. That's the point. You guys want us to believe something without singing. Is our faith blind faith? Is our faith in what Christ has done for us in the Bible? Is it blind faith? No, it's based on evidence. Our faith is based on evidence. Now, we've got these prophecies that have come true. That's in this book. So it gives us reason to trust even more so. We've got archaeological evidence, if you want to find that, to validate what the Bible says. There are so many things, historical records that account for what the Bible states. And so, no, we don't have to just take somebody's word for it because even in the Bible, they didn't do that. When they healed, they actually healed somebody. Now, I want to cover some things and let's walk our way through the scriptures, if you don't mind. By the way, by the way, by the way, how come people who say they have these gifts only have a couple of gifts? They'll point to a passage in Mark 16 that may or may not be added or not. Let's just take that it is, that it belongs there. Mark 16, 16 says, He who believes and has been baptized shall be safe, but He who disbelieves shall be condemned. Now, look what he says. And these signs will accompany those who believe. So it's saying that these folks should be able to do it because some folks tell us that we should go and heal the sick and cast out demons and so forth. Look, he says, these signs will follow. If we take this to be accurate and to be applied to regular believers and not, let's say, those apostles, they will cast out demons. They will speak with new languages and these actual languages. They will pick up serpents. They will pick up serpents at some point in time. If they happen to drink poison, if that's an if, so they don't have to necessarily that it will not hurt them. They will lay hands on the sick and they will recover, but we don't see anyone doing all of these. They said they should do that, but I won't play with that particular point. But Paul says in Romans 12, 3, he says, For by grace given to me, I say to everyone among you not to think more highly of himself than he ought to, but to think with sober judgment each according to the measure of faith that God has assigned them. For as in one body, we have many members and the members do not all have the same function. So we, though many are one body in Christ and individually members of one another, having gifts that differ according to the grace given to us, let us use them. Do you hear us? Let us use them if prophecy and proportion to our faith, if service in our serving and so forth. So if you have a particular gift, you are to use it. Now, does that mean that if you have been gifted to heal, that you should go and clear the hospital out? No. No. Someone said, have I witnessed a healing? I told you about the example that I had when I was very young, 1991. Again, was that me? Was that God? I don't know. I don't know. Again, I know God can heal. I know God heals. The issue is not that God is we, and we've seen examples of God healing. We've seen examples of someone who they were just a miraculous healing happened, but it wasn't because someone laid hands on them. We're not talking about those. We know God does this. We're talking about someone having the gift of healing. And so Paul says, if you've got that gift, well, then use it. That's why I don't really get bothered. And I'm not a cessationist. I'm a biblical, I'm a biblical continuationist. I'm a biblical continuationist. Now look at Fidel. He says the Bible didn't say he didn't have faith. Do you think that guy had faith in Christ the one who had his ear put back on him? He came to arrest Christ. He didn't anyway. Some folks will go to great lengths not to see the writing on the wall, but it's fine. Fidel, we love you anyway. But if you got that faith, then use it. If you got that ability, use it. So I don't have to say, hey, listen, this gift has ceased. That gift has ceased. I don't have to say that. All I got to do is just say, okay, if you got it, then do it, then use it. If you've got this particular gift of healing, this gift of prophecy, not the fake prophecy, the vague prophecy, but the actual gift of it. If you've got this gift of speaking in languages, whatever it is, then do it, then use it. Yes, it's true that if a person has a gift, they will not go to the hospital and clear out the hospital because it's only as the Lord uses it. But do you know what happens though? If you have been gifted in this area, what happens? What happens if people know that you have this gifting? You won't go to the hospital, but a lot of the folks in the hospital will come to you. A lot of people in the hospital will come to you. As a matter of fact, if we just look at Acts, look what the Bible says. In Acts 1911, God was performing extraordinary miracles by the hands of Paul so that the handkerchiefs of aprons were even carried from his body to the sick and the disease left them and the evil spirits went out. Now, look what he says though. These were extraordinary miracles, unusual. So when these things are happening, this isn't necessarily a normal thing. At least the way it's happening here with Paul as well as with others. And so extraordinary things were happening. Why? To give validity to what they were doing. Are you with me? Paul also tells us in 1 Corinthians 12, he says that, let's start in verse nine, to another faith by the same spirit, to another gifts of healing, to the one spirit. So we know that that's an actual gift. But if we go up earlier to verse seven, the purpose of these gifts are for the manifestation of the spirit is for the common good of others. In other words, that these are for the benefit of others. What others? What others? Specifically for others in the body. Specifically others in the body. Are you with me? So, and Fidel, you are, you are so missing the point. I think it's like you want to miss the point. Some guys just want to miss the point. Fidel, you miss the point, but no one say that, no one has said, somebody send Fidel a text and tell him, no one is saying that you shouldn't have faith. But if you're going to say the reason why we don't have is because of matter of fact, matter of fact, I tell you what Fidel, let's just, let's just fix this. Give us some proof of somebody who's gotten healed. Give us some proof of somebody who's gotten healed that you know of. Anyone else? Give us some proof of someone that had their hands laid on them by one of these healers and, and they were healed. By the way, by the way, can I ask you guys a question? Which apostle was that their main gift? Which apostle, which leader, which person in the Bible was known by that? That's what that's what they're most known for. You're going to find out that there's nobody that's most known for healing, not Paul. Paul's not most known for healing. Peter's not most known for healing. Jesus certainly is not most known for healing. And so it's always going to be as the spirit moves, right? Would you, would you all agree? Even those that, that are gung-ho about these healing ministries? Because there's no such thing in the Bible. A healing ministry. There's no such thing as a minister that goes around healing. No such thing. But you won't find anyone who that's what they did was healing. They might have done it in conjunction with everything else that they're doing. But you would also, you would agree that however the spirit moves is how people are healed or however God moves determines what miracles occur. If God desires for a miracle to occur, it's going to occur. If God desires for healing to occur, it's going to occur. No, if and buts about it. Is there anyone that would disagree with that? Even the people who are disagreeing with me will understand that if God desires to heal you, you will be healed. If, now someone's going to say, does God heal everyone? Because there's two questions I want to ask. Does God heal everyone? Does God want everyone healed? Well, we know God didn't heal everyone, but does God want everyone healed? Well, the answer to both of those questions is going to be no. We're going to see why though. But if God wants to, if he desires, I'm healing you today, you will be healed. It's going to happen. So it's always going to be a move of the spirit, which knocks out Todd Bentley's point that the move of the spirit would also be here in America too. We would see it happening. We would see it happening in churches. We would see these miracles happening, not just in churches, because am I wrong? Fidel, you're disagreeing with me right now. Fidel, when you go and look through the Bible, were most of these healings in the synagogue and the church gathering? Or were most of these healings out in the public square? Is that where we see most of the healings taking place? Yeah, we see them happening in the public space. Matter of fact, most often, most often, Fidel, don't we see these healings taking place with non-believers? Most often, we see healing taking place with non-believers. The question is, why does it typically happen in the Bible in the public square and with non-believers? How is that possible? Why is that? Why is God doing that? Now, unless I'm mistaken, I could be mistaken. World's greatest YouTube chat family, tell me am I mistaken? When I say that most of the healings in the Bible take place in the public square and to non-believers, is that correct? When Jesus walked around healing people and healing people in public and healing and they were mostly, if not all non-believers? Is that correct? About Paul and Peter, Barnabas, were those non-believers or were those Christians inside the church? Am I? Help me out. Because it nullifies your point that you're trying to make about these charlatans. You're trying to prove something that should not even need to be proved, because, again, whenever the Lord moves, everybody knows it. That's how you know what's right and what's wrong, what's legitimate and what's illegitimate. When God moves, there's never a question. Even amongst the folks who don't like people, there's never a question. As they say, we cannot deny that something has happened. Same thing with the blind man. He comes in and says, tell us the truth. Were you blind before? Yeah, I was blind before. Now I see. Let's bring his parents. Yeah, he was blind. They couldn't deny it. Even the people in the public square, they, this guy was blind. What's the problem? I want to read a passage and I want to point something out to you guys. Have you heard this passage? And let's see if this passage is 100% correct in the way we read it. In Isaiah 53, you guys probably already know the answer, because we covered this. Was it yesterday, day before yesterday? About Jesus. Yeah, I know Dutch. But the reason why you address them, though Dutch is because there's other people who are actually wondering. And let me just say this. This is why we want to engage people who they might even be trolling. I think this is the wrong place to troll, because fine, I'll play with you, because there are people who aren't trolling, who are wondering the same thing. When I would have these debates with Muslims, I wasn't debating them because I knew that the Muslims were going to change your mind, but there were people outside listening and thinking, okay, you know what? Yeah, I see your point. So I want to look at this passage. I want to look at a passage. Isaiah 53.5, he says, but he was pierced through for our transgression. He was crushed for our iniquities. The chastisement for our well-being or our peace was upon him. And by his stripes, some of yours will say, or by his scourging, we are healed. Now, I've stayed before that this passage is not to say that because of this that we can be healed physically. But wait a second, Corey, wait a second, Corey, wait a second, Corey, wait a second, Corey, wait a second, Corey, wait a second, Corey. But if we go to the Bible, it seems to say that this was done, this healing that took place was so that Isaiah's prophecy could be fulfilled. So let's go to that passage. In Matthew 8, starting to start in verse, let's start in 14. When Jesus came into Peter's home, he saw his mother lie in law, lying sick in bed with a fever. He touched her hand and her fever left as she got up and waited on him. Now, again, he didn't go and ask her, do you have faith? Do you want to be made whole? He didn't ask her that. All he did is just touch her. Or what about the dead people that he touched? Did the dead people that Jesus touched, did they have faith? No, they didn't have anything. They didn't have a pulse. Again, back to the point. He touched her hand and her fever left her and she got up and waited on them. When evening came, they brought to him many who were demon possessed and he cast out the spirits with a word and he healed all who were ill. Now, if he wants to heal you, you're going to get healed every last one of you. By the way, we never see, we never see an example of Jesus not healing who he wanted to heal, not one. Continuing. Now, look what it says, though. This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet. He himself took our infirmities and carried away our disease. Well, wait a minute, Corey. That seems to be a fulfillment of the prophecy. So it does mean, Isaiah's prophecy does mean that we can be healed. No, that's not what Isaiah's prophecy is for. Now, is it true that we can be healed? Sure. But is Isaiah's prophecy speaking of us being healed? No, it's not. But, Corey, we just read it, and I know you just read it and I'm telling you that's not what it says. Corey, should we believe you or believe the Bible? The Bible? You should believe the Bible. Let's go back to it again. Isaiah 53.5. He says, and the chastisement of his, you know what? I can't do this. Chastisement, this is for you. This is for Chastisement. I'm going to do this for Chastisement because I actually do like the King James version of this better than I like the NASB. But he was wounded for our transgression. He was bruised for our iniquities. The chastisement of our peace was upon him. And with his stripes, we are healed. So I do like that. I like the King James version better. I'm not saying that at all. Fidel, just pay attention, brother. Fidel, just pay attention. Just pay attention because you're missing a whole lot by doing the typing. Just pay attention, brother. I love you. Now, just like I love Eric the Guapo. I love Eric the Guapo even though he is blaspheming my team, he just out of the blue just attacked me. I get attacked all the time. Let me just drink out of my cold coffee cup. I get attacked all the time. And most cases, like Eric, unprovoked. But it's okay though. It's okay. Eric has hair. That's why. Anyway, look at the passage though. Look at the passage. Look at the passage. But he was wounded for our transgression. By his stripes, we are healed. Cord that proves that what Jesus went through was so that we can be healed. He went through that so that we can be healed. No, he did not. He can heal you whether he... Listen, whether Jesus was crucified or not, he can heal you. He was healing before his incarnation. That's not what that says nor what that means. Here's what that's about. Remember, we read this before, guys. What is Isaiah's prophecy about or for? Remember, Isaiah is prophesying. It's a prophecy for Israel to look back. So what Isaiah is saying in Isaiah 53, he says he keeps using these past tense verbs was, was, was, why? How is it given a prophecy about Jesus being crucified using the word was? Because when Israel, this is for, when Israel is going to repeat this, is in the future, they'll look back and say he was for us. And so looking back, they'll say for Israel, for these people that by his stripes, we are healed. And does it necessarily mean physical? Not always, but it does not preclude, which is why we do see physical healing. But we don't need this fulfillment for physical healing because he's been doing physical healing. He would heal whether he went to the cross or not, whether he was bruised and beaten or not. He was healing regardless. But this passage must be fulfilled in order for this, this must take place in order to fulfill the prophecy. There's a lot of prophecies that are taking place that are going to cause folks to reflect and say, Oh, that's who this guy was. This is true. This is how we know there's a large group of people who at some point in time are going to look back and it's like, wow, how did we miss all of this? There were some folks after the after his death in burial is like, wow, how do we miss this? His resurrection? How do all these dead folks up around walking around? How do we miss this? So he's given us these signs. Now, I want to show you something like Fire Marshal Bill. I want to show you something. What do you do if you are in need of healing? This also goes to the point that does God heal everybody? Does he want to heal everybody? Does God heal everyone? Well, the obvious answer is no, because everyone's not healed. Not even those with faith, even those with strong faith like Paul. Paul cried out three times to be healed and was not healed three times. And this is Paul, the very same Paul whose shadow would heal people, the very same Paul whose the power of the spirit was in him so much so that parts of his handkerchief and apron would be taken and laid on people, but he couldn't be healed. That Paul Paul makes a statement, though. Matter of fact, before we go to Paul's statement, he says, not that I speak from warrant for I have learned to be content in whatever circumstance that I am in, in whatever state that I'm in, in whatever state I'm in, I will be content. I've learned to be brought up to a bound and I've been abased. I've been brought low, but I've learned, no matter what's happening, whatever state, whatever situation I'm in, I have learned to be content. Guys, you need to understand something that this is the whole point that God is after, whether you're blessed physically or not, whether you have an ailment or not. God wants you to be content in him. Let's go to this passage. He says, if anyone among you suffering, James says this, then he must pray. Is anyone cheerful? He is the same praise. Is anyone among you sick? Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will, will restore, so say, then this is to say, will restore the one who is sick and the Lord will raise him up if he has committed sins. Now here's the question. This passage seems to indicate though that if you are sick, you name the sickness. If you are sick, then the prayer of faith will save that person. Isn't that what it says? Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray. And he says, and the prayer offered in faith, and the prayer offered in faith will save that person or restore the one who is sick. It, did I just read that correctly? Now let's be honest. I'm going to ask you guys a question. By show of hands, how many of you have prayed this prayer in earnest faith, been sick and it didn't, and you didn't get healed or the person that was prayed for it, they didn't get healed. How many of you all know some so-called, what we call prayer warriors, folks who you just believe, love the Lord or you yourself? How many of you love the Lord? How many of you have faith? How many of you have prayed the prayer and the person did not get better? Kevin, come on, let's be honest. Let's be honest. My mother had a stroke and, and, and she didn't recover. My father had cancer and he didn't recover, died. Both of them have gone to be with the Lord. How many of you can just be, let's be honest, even you guys that believe in these, the faith healers and so forth, how many of you will be honest and say, I prayed this prayer and it hadn't worked? Lord Jesus, why has it not worked? What gives? Is it me or is it you? Because there are some that are going to make you believe that you don't have enough faith. Is, is you? Could it be? Well, it couldn't be that God lied. It cannot be that God has lied to us. God, did God lie to our face? Put something in, in matter of fact, not just lie to our face, put it in writing for us to just keep lying to our faith, keep reading this passage and it's just a big old lie in front of our face forever and ever. Is this a lie that God has put before us? No. No, he didn't lie to us. He didn't lie to us at all. Let's go back to the passage. Is anyone among you suffering? This word is suffering. The question is what sort of suffering is he speaking of? Then he must pray. Right. Is anyone cheerful? He is to sing praises. Is anyone among you sick? Ostanite, which means to be sick or also weak? Guess what, guys? This doesn't necessarily refer to a physical sickness. This refers to also an emotional as well as a spiritual condition as well. That's why some verses may say weak. Then he must call for the elders. How do I know? Look how he puts this. Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. And the prayer offered in faith will, the word restore, associate, which is to say, will save him, will save the one who is sick. And the word sick, same, same thing, is weary to be sick or weary without strength. And the Lord will raise him up and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven. Why the committed sins part? Because his point is not a physical healing. His point is an emotional spiritual healing. Go back and look what James is talking about throughout this whole dialogue. As a matter of fact, if we go further in James, what is James speaking of? James is speaking of salvifically in here. That's why we get to verse 19 that comes up and says, if any among you stray from the truth and the one turns in the back, let him know that the one who turns the sinner's error from his way, turns the sinner from the error of his ways will save his soul from death and will cover a multitude of sin. The reason why God didn't lying, because that's not what he meant. He's not telling you that you pray and you're definitely going to be healed from your sickness. That's not what he was trying to get. The point is this spiritual emotional weakness. Take the word for what it's spiritual, it's emotional, it's a weakness. Now, how many of you are weak? Now, does this make sense? Does this work? Now it works without a fail. A faithful prayer does deal with a spiritual or emotional weakness, especially in terms of salvation. A. Renee asked the question, is that thunder? That's all the hate from people who got hair, who want me to grow hair on top of my head. That's what that is, A. Renee. That's the thunderous hatred in their heart. People like Senior Conrad who wants to be bald. Yeah, people like him. People like Eric the Guapo. Yeah, that's who that is. No, that is thunder though. That is thunder. Yeah, my wife pulled up in the rain about five or 10 minutes before I came on and I had to go out there and help her out the rain, get the umbrella. You know, you got the manly thing. You got to go out there and you got to take the umbrella and then so that she didn't get wet, you know, why you don't sew. Another reason why you shouldn't have hair, because my hair did not get messed up. You ladies know what I'm talking about. You ladies know what I'm talking about. I didn't have to worry about, matter of fact, after I came in the house, you know what I did to my hair? I didn't get a towel. I just, that was that. That was that. Do you see the point that I'm trying to get you? Faith will deal with the spiritual weakness and a lack of hair is practical. Yeah, some of you guys need to go get some razors right now. Some of you guys need to get a razor right now. You ladies, you keep your hair. This is for the men. Hair life don't matter. Put your hand down, TG. You're going to cut that thing or, or, or, or. Yeah, Donovan, he said, look at it. He said, my locks don't get messed up, but they don't smell too good and wet. They'll do that. Yeah, come on. Tell the truth, shame the devil. Bald heads don't, you don't get damp or anything. Yeah, so I'm, it's just, it's, it's, you're just living wrong, Donovan. That's all. You're just, Donovan, you're living bad. That's all and I'm here to help you. Let me help you. Help me help you, Donovan. Get you some scissors, cut all that stuff off first, get you some clippers, and then, yeah, and you shall be set free. Anyway, this is what I like when people are wanting to challenge me. It also, it literally means infirmity. It also means to be weak. Christopher, do you want to bet your social media account on it? I'll bet mine. I know exactly what the word means. It doesn't mean, it doesn't mean only physical sickness. It literally, it can, it can, and I just said that too by the way, Christopher. I just said that. Matter of fact, didn't I just, you all, you're almost saying what I just said. You said, athenae, oh, in Greek literally means infirm, weak, or insufficient. Isn't that just what I just said? What did you, why did you put that up there? I literally just said that. So I think James could be talking about being physically sick, but I'll defer. Why didn't you, Christopher, I love you. I really do. I really do. But, Christopher, I just said that. If it's physically sickness, think about it. It's two options. It's two options, Christopher. Two options, physical or something spiritual, physical or spiritual. If it's physical, well, then this doesn't work then all the time, does it? But if it's spiritual, a prayer in faith does work all the time, doesn't it? See? And the only reason why you didn't catch that is because I'm pretty sure you got here on top of your head. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. I'm pretty sure that's what it was. It's okay though. It's okay. You've got time to cut it. You've got time to cut it. So you've mentioned verse 19, but you skipped 17. I didn't skip verse 17. I wasn't trying to read all of it. I can go back though. Elijah was a man with a nature-like hour. He prayed earnestly that it would not rain and it did not rain on the earth for three years and six months. Then he prayed again and the sky poured rain. What is your point? You know why I entertained you, Fidel? Fidel, I'm starting to like you. Listen, I'm starting to like you like a little brother who we just discovered our daddy had. I'm starting to like you like my daddy's long lost son that we just discovered. Because I don't know what that just proved. You said it like, hey, you intentionally did not read that because you don't like what it said. That didn't disprove or me or anyway. Love you though, brother. I love you. So let me just say this. Let me just say this. When you deal with these people who are out here who are claiming to be healers, first of all, healing is instantaneous. It's not over the course of a few days, hours, weeks, months. Even the test ones that we're getting, person prayed and then the next day her toes roll back. No, no. The longest it ever took was where the lepers, as they were walking, the leprosy is coming off of them. They didn't get very far before they got, hey man, wait, look, I'm clean. It's instantaneous, but not today. And so when a person lays their hand on you, if you're not healed immediately, they didn't do anything. That's not how God works. So, but now I'm hopeful. I'm hopeful that people would have that gift and exercise it. And if they have that, if they have that gift and they exercise it with it, amen. Utilize it because certainly we can use it now. So listen, listen, Christopher, it's okay. It's okay. Again. Again. It's okay. I love you, brother. You are my, listen, you're my man. You've been, you've been here for a while. Listen, you can't, you can't upset me or bother me or anything like that or whatever. And then my new, my new little brother Fidel, my new little brother Fidel, he says, what I meant was the verse 17 through James referring to physical healing. He was as, all right, I love you. How was verse him praying for rain refer to physical healing? It's okay though. It's okay. You make sure you keep coming Fidel. I think I've seen you before. I think so. You keep coming. You keep coming. You're part of the family and we love you. We love you. So, but again, the healing should be instantaneous. The healing should be definite. It shouldn't be, well, my arm was broke. Now it's not. I don't think it is, though I'm still feeling some pain. No. So anyway, yeah, yeah, I like that. A healing, a healing payment plan. If you, because you know what they're gonna say always, you give this money, you do this, sow a seed for this healing ministry. And that's the whole point. That's the whole point to try to enrich themselves. If a person has a gift of healing, you know what you don't have to do? If you actually have the gift of healing, you don't have to prove anything. How do I know? Have you ever seen a great athlete, Michael Jordan? Michael Jordan didn't have to talk about anything. As a matter of fact, go to ask Michael Jordan who's the greatest ever. He will say, I don't know. We can't tell. But everyone else is saying it for him. He didn't have to prove anything. You can see it, right? So you're saying what you can do versus showing it two different things. So when someone has an actual gift or if the Lord is working through them, it will be evident. It will be evident. Amen. But in the meantime, stay away from these, these charlatans. Wayne Gretzky too. Got a hockey fan. Wayne Gretzky as well. Who, by the way, spent a little time in Indianapolis with the, with our minor league hockey team. Just a little Wayne Gretzky history. We got a lot of that here. It's Marcus's channel. Anyway, like Brian said, couldn't say it better. Stay away from these snakes. Amen.