 Hello everybody. Welcome to the stream. My name is Alec, in case you didn't know, but I know you all do know, so I thought I'd say it anyway. Hello Michael. Do you know what, when people comment before the stream, those comments don't actually come up in the list on e-cam, obviously, because it's not live, but I'll just pop this one up anyway. Say hello Michael. And talking about the stream there. Hi Paul as well, and hi Greg. Got new toys. We do like it when packages arrive, don't we? And Paul, so you mentioned about your reloading your Mac mini. I hope nothing serious has gone wrong. It's never a good sign if you've got to reload that. Hey, Sammy's here as well. How are you doing, Sammy? All good. Thank you, Sammy. All good. And yeah, it's been quite a week today. I'm still a little bit tired, to be honest. I was thrown out of WAC earlier on this week by, I blame e-cam live. I had to stay up extremely late. I didn't go to bed until, wait for it, about 10 o'clock on Monday. I'd only go to bed at 8 o'clock and somehow staying up until 10 o'clock just threw my schedule all off. So, and the reason why I was staying up was because of the, I won the e-cam live family dinner last month for posting a bit of a silly picture of myself really. And then they've got another one on this month, which is, if you post, what is it, a screenshot or a list of your go in live checklist, then you can, you can win this month. I know, Sammy, 10 o'clock. I know. So, so yeah, definitely head over and do that if you haven't done this already. And that was basically got to have a Zoom call with two other winners. And that was Sherwin from Faith News Admin and Jan Keck, both obviously active members in the community. And then also Diana Gladney and Caleb from, from e-cam was there. So that was, that was all good. And by the way, I could not believe it that one of the other winners, Sherwin, is actually in Thailand. He's a Thai guy running a Christian channel here in Thailand. And what are the odds? Two of the winners, I thought I was all on my own out here. So that's good. And when they sort of ease the lockdown restrictions over here, then we'll definitely have to have a meetup. I kind of jokingly said about it in one of the posts on the e-cam live group about maybe the next e-cam meetup should be in Thailand. Well, perhaps now we can actually make that happen. But not for a while, I don't think because Thailand is going back into, back into lockdown at the moment. So we'll see what happens there. But anyway, yeah, a few other things. What's Paul saying? Had a major problem Saturday after four trips to Genius Bar, many calls and hours on the phone. Oh no, with support and five restores, we now, ah, that sounds terrible. Yeah, let's hope it's all a, all a success. And you're sort of back on track. Yeah, technology is wonderful, isn't it? Until it, until it fails. Hey, Eileen, nice to see you. It's always, always nice to see your face pop up on the stream. So yeah, it's, I thought what I'd do is first is I'll just give a little bit of an update on my sort of progress with my 100 in 100 days, 100 videos in 100 days. I love my Mac. Yeah, we all do, don't we? I imagine what we'd do without them. So yeah, let me, I've moved my scenes around a little bit because I've got my teleprompter set up. That's something else that happened this week on the advice of Mr. Keith Pelzer. I've perhaps seen my video, but the Desview T3 and the Lilyput A7S. So I've actually got my thing up which was a bit disconcerting really looking at myself. But I thought, well, if somebody joins me on the stream a little bit later, then, then yes, I'll be able to actually look at them and look at the camera at the same time. But I have moved all my panels around. So anyway, this is what I was looking for. Where is it here? This one. So my progress we're at day 71. And so far, I've done 78 videos. So technically I've got a weekend and I could take a week's holiday, couldn't I? I'm not going to do that though. 197 subs and 883 hours and 9,000 views. Actually, I've artificially inflated that. It was actually 8,980 something, but I couldn't fit that all in. So I just rounded it up. You'd have to forgive me for that. So that's where we are with that. Now I mentioned last week about TikTok, didn't I? And I'm afraid, guys, I've been letting the side down with TikTok a little bit. My plan with that was to do five videos a day, but I have failed abysmally at that because I think all week I've only put out five. And that is largely because, first of all, I got up late on Monday, on Tuesday, because of that late night. And then I've had a few other things come up just sort of in the middle of the week where I've been, my early mornings have been taken up by other things, all great things, but it's just meant that I've not had quite the same same time in the morning to make the video. So I have to get back on the back on it on on next week. So we'll see how we go on with that. I'm just going to put my little join link if anybody. Oh, thanks, Eileen. You're an inspiration, by the way. I love how you're just on everything straight away. Anytime anything new comes out, you're straight there on it. So I love to hear how you're getting on with the Amazon lives, by the way, I saw you post about your first one and watch that. So yeah, I'll be right behind you as soon as they let me join. But apparently I don't carry enough influence in the world yet with my 197 subscribers. So I failed to get access. But as soon as I do, I'll be I'll be right there. You know, I will. Yeah, it's quite quite interesting. That is the Amazon platform. I watched docs docs on a couple of interviews with people about Amazon live. And so yeah, certainly looks something interesting. Anyway, I've lost my train of thought a little bit there. But yeah, so let me put my link up. That's what I was going to do. I got distracted there for a moment. Quite right. Me neither. Me neither. I wouldn't be a member of any club that would help me. So let's have a look for this one. There we go. So if anybody wants to jump on, feel free to use that link. And yeah, this week, I've got to start by mentioning somebody in the community that we've lost this this week, Jake Galvin. And I didn't really know him, but somehow his passing had a big impact on me because he was somebody that was such a, you know, always there in all of the chats in the comments, he was at Docs office hours, not last week, the week before. And I don't know, he was just such a sort of had a sort of shining positive energy about him. And it I couldn't I still can't quite comprehend, you know, that he's he's passed on. And yeah, it's really, it's sort of really, really threw me and for somebody that you know, as I say, I'm not I didn't know him well or anything like that, but he's just had such a such an energy and I can't quite comprehend it. But what it sort of made me think about was how, you know, all of the this this community, all of you guys and girls, all of the people in the wider community, how we are all there, rooting for him, rooting for each other rather. And yeah, it's just such a such a sort of wonderful community to be a part of that these people that, you know, we ostensibly never, never met. And sorry, I didn't. Yeah, he's, he had, he had COVID and died of a heart attack. Earlier, earlier this week. So I'm sorry if you're just hearing this from me. But yeah, it's, it's sort of kind of inspired this really in terms of, you know, that we're all, all here helping each other. And, you know, with docs, office hours, the fact that we've got a group of people who are from such a diverse range of backgrounds and locations doing such, you know, a diverse range of things. You know, I'm doing my tech thing. You've got other people doing, you know, yoga, crafting, all sorts of different, different backgrounds and things that everyone's doing. But everybody's all rooting for each other. And the sort of power of, of that of the the group is, you know, it's it's docs group, obviously. So it's pioneercoffee.com slash doc rock, if you want to join this group of like minded, like minded people. And we're all we're all rooting for each other. And when I when I joined the group, it was I had already sort of planned to do my YouTube thing, obviously. And I'd got my first live stream scheduled for, well, 77 days ago, whatever it was, 71 days ago. And I was, I'd signed up to docs group and was joining that on the, did my live stream, sort of Saturday morning. And then Sunday morning, my time was going to be the first entry into our first session of a docs group for me. And I didn't really know what to expect to be honest. And you know, I thought, well, maybe it's, maybe it's doc and but it's so much more than that is all of the people. And I remember sort of, you know, the screen loading up with the first zoom call and all of the little faces populating as the meeting started, thinking, you know, who are all these people going to be? What are they all going to be doing? What's this? What's the vibe going to be like of this community? And the first words that were uttered on the meeting was Mr. Rob Vols. And he just said, Well, it looks like we've got a new member in the group. Hello, Alec. I just thought, well, from right off the bat, it was just such a welcoming community. And such a great bunch of people as well. And so that's sort of inspired this really as well is just that the stuff that I'm doing now is being motivated in a large part by everybody else in the community and what everyone else is doing. And every time we have one of these Saturday sessions. Oh, Miss Eileen is joining. Let me bring Eileen in. Guests to let me just bring up a different scene. Whoops. We've got Keely in the middle. One second. Oh, where have you gone? I've lost you for a moment there. There we go. Guess what? Hey, Eileen, how are you doing? Hi, hi, hi. Just realized my mic is way over there. Oh, hello. I'm good. The news that you just shared news to me. Oh, I'm sorry. You know, a little upsetting. Wow. But oh, hi, Greg. Am I? Hi, I didn't want to mess up. No, I can, I can hear you. Three way three way design. So I just resumed my spot. Okay, I just feel like I was a little stuttering there. But if you say I'm okay. It's all right on this end. Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Yeah. Yeah. So 71 videos, day 71, day 71 and 78 videos. So yeah. Why you always got to be an overachiever? I liked to have a little bit in the bag, just in case I have a rough week. So you didn't publish all 78 videos? Yeah, that's what I've published. I'm not actually technically doing a video every day, although I tend to have done a video every day, but it's just kind of a thought. Well, I'll set myself the target of 100 days. And then if I get 100 videos done in 100 days, then I should be a little bit better than when I started out. So you might start slacking towards the end because I know it's tough. It gets tough to not only come up with topics, but to just keep the momentum and the enthusiasm. Yeah. Well, that's the thing about the community. It's sort of, it's a sort of huge motivator and driver. So yeah, I mean, it's every time I, you know, we have office hours and somebody's doing something else great, talking about something else, some new tool or something. Yeah, it's it's awesome. So how's your Amazon going? How many have you done? Yeah, I just wanted to clarify when you mentioned that earlier. The one I did the other day, right after we had that, that talk with Jim Fuse and Chris Stone. Yeah. And also earlier were Christian Kara Savage. By the way, I know all of those guys. I mean, I knew I knew all of them before I knew Doc, put it that way. Right, right. I had done it before. I had done it a few times before. And right, right. I, I'm not all that great with it. Oh, I should say I shouldn't say I'm not all that great. My results have not been all that great. As far as Amazon, just in general, I've been at Amazon for four years. Right. And I used to make a lot of money. And then all of a sudden, my money just started drying up. And so when the live came out, I was like so excited and I started doing some and then I was like, I'm still not making any money. So so I kind of just like, you know, okay, it's there. I know how to do it. I've done it like maybe three or four times. Yeah. And for some reason, those old videos are not there. And I'm not sure why. However, I do know that one video where I talked about a vacuum cleaner and that vacuum cleaner is not available anymore. So I just assume that's why they took it down. But the other two videos that I did, I covered multiple products and things. And one of them I even talked about the Echo devices. Yeah, it's not there. I don't know why they didn't they didn't say anything to me like I did anything wrong, whatever. I just know my videos aren't there. So I'm like, whatever. It's not that serious. Yeah, that way. But I didn't have fun. I had fun doing, you know, I got inspired. Like you said, you get inspired totally from from each other. And, you know, hearing the tips that they were sharing last week, or on the weekend, you know, got me excited. So I was like, let me just do it. Let me just do it. And yeah, because actually during prime day, during prime day, I was ready. I was all ready with and it wouldn't work. Oh, no. And that is one of the problems. The downside of Amazon Live is that it's not as stable. Got you right. With you. Yeah. Nothing compares to YouTube. They can, they can try all these other platform and include Facebook because Facebook changes their API every other week. Yeah. None of them are as stable as YouTube. And so all the stuff that I had prepared for prime day, I just, you know, I'll just use that stuff. And, you know, because I give YouTube video about it. Yeah, I was like, well, I'll just do that. And then I did get another item in that same day. I got that delivery that same day. So I was like, well, I'll just include that in my, because I was, I was talking about books. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that was a cool book storage thing you did a video on. Thank you. Yeah. It was a storage unit was the one that came in that day. Yeah, all the books I had already had them already to talk, you know, to talk about. Yeah. How's your week been, Greg? Have you got your busy? Got to work. Yeah, I'm, I'm still training. I also have a show coming up soon. So yeah, I do. I'm an amateur bodybuilder amongst all of the other things I have to spend my day on. Yeah. Yeah. And about two hours a day training as well. So cool, cool. Yeah, I need to from the show. So that's the hard part now. I need to get back into my exercise routine. I'm afraid it's been slacking for, well, about a year and a half, funnily enough, since last March. I've not really been doing much. I used to be out and about all the time and here in there. But are you in Bangkok? No, I'm actually North Thailand. So on the banks of the Mekong River, Nong Khai, so Chiang Mai is a popular place up in the Northwest, but I'm sort of northeast. So yeah, yeah. But yeah, I used to go down to Bangkok all the time and like for business and work and things like that. So I was always out and about and traveling and I've been relatively static for the past year and a half. So that's, that's taking it's toll on my mind. I can't stand Bangkok. Like last time I went to Thailand, I just didn't even, we stayed at the airport hotel and then we left. Yeah, yeah. It's there is there is some nice sides to it, but it's pretty busy and bustling city. I'm a bit of a country boy at heart really. So anything to get out of the cities. Yeah, I have a good friend that lives in Chiang Mai. Oh, cool. I have a restaurant in San Francisco right below my house. And so he's back there half the time now. Yeah. Cool. And so your stream deck you've got so you sent your old one back and got the new version of one back in on your advice. And yeah, and then the camera arrived today also. So I'm trying to get it to turn on so we could compare it. Right, right. I've heard really good things about it from the reviews that have come out afterwards. But yeah, be interested to get your your thoughts on it. Yeah, I heard good things about the camera too. Not so much about the stream that I probably didn't watch. The new stream deck, I don't think it's got any extra functionality as such. It's just that they've really upgraded the sort of the body of it. So whereas the old one had a pretty flimsy sort of kickstand with it, the new one is more like the XL and the mini version where it's got a more of a built in molded case. So that's kind of the really Does it have a USB C or is it still USB A? Good question. Yes. Well, the device itself is USB C. But the cable that comes with it is C to A. So you can use the C to C cable if you have extra C ports. I would imagine you'd have to buy cable is what I'm saying. I guess you would. Yeah, I've never thought about that because I would just use the USB C to USB three or whatever is the USB A. But yeah, it's a shame they don't put that in the box really, isn't it? Yeah, considering it's not like the M ones just came out like they've been out and they knew they were coming out. But you know, I this is my problem reason why I don't use my stream deck is because I bought a Mac mini. Yeah, and I bought an iMac. And I'm not spending any more money on hubs. And yeah, let me pay these two things off. Well, actually, I just I just paid it off. But but you know, like let my let my wallet breathe. Yeah. So which means I cannot use my stream deck on either. Well, I guess I could use it on the mini but the mini doesn't have you can use an adapter though. To be honest, even though they tell you not to use an adapter with it. Yeah, I don't use a powered hub or anything. I'm actually my Mac is ancient. So I am actually going to bite the bullet and buy a Mac mini. But until then I have got it just plugged into just like next month and new ones come out. Yeah. Is it next month? Is it really? It's it's like August or September. Maybe I'll hold off for another month. Here's my recommendation. Yeah, I bought I just bought a laptop for my co founder, or like myself a laptop and I gave it to my co founder. I bought a refurbished one though off of the Apple store. Right, right. And and it was it was a great deal. Because I have the eight gigabyte Mac mini the lowest level. I just didn't want to wait for one. So I just got the whatever one they had in the store. Yeah. Yeah. And it was it was pretty good. But my laptop is an air 16 gig with one terabyte and it was $400 less because of the refurb. I mean, it's brand new and it's the same warranty and everything. Right. Yeah. But yeah, you could do a refurb. If you want to get like upgraded and then get better features. I'm sure the next ship's not gonna be that much faster, by the way. So yeah, well, that's the thing. It's a port. Here's the thing, the ports may change. That's the big thing that might change. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So just quickly Paul saying that he uses an A to C adapter on his stream deck and that works. So but yeah, I use an unpowered hub for for just plugging that in and a few other things. An A to C adapter. Yeah. But yeah, the so I was always holding out for the 16 inch Apple Silicon MacBook Pro because that's what I use at the moment and MacBook Pro and the 16 inch because I like to have the biggest screen. Although saying that it sat on my desk and not really move for the past year and a half as well. So I'm not sure that I do need to be as mobile as I used to think. So I was always waiting for the 16 inch MacBook. But but yeah, I've just noticed that this is getting extremely slow and I'm really pushing it to its limit really with what I'm trying to do because it's ancient now. So I just thought well maybe I'll just buy the bullet and upgrade to the mini and then I'm not in so much of a rush for the next one then whenever it comes out. But yeah, getting a sort of little just a cheap A to C adapter might be might be an option. Yeah, I'm not buying anything is what I'm trying to say. It's okay. I mean, I'll be all right without much and it's and surprisingly, because I'm a big fan of the stream deck. Yeah. And I mean, a bunch, I must have four YouTube videos about the stream deck. Yeah, I like it. I'm all right. I'm not having withdrawal or anything. Right. That's that's reassuring because I feel like I'd feel like I'd had a hand cut off if I lost mine at this point. But then I use it for a lot of my sort of work stuff as well. But yeah, I feel like currently without mine. Yeah. So that is the face cam. Oh, cool. That's the Algato face cam. That looks cool. Face cam here. And this just to compare is my Sony a 6400 with like a proper lens. Yeah. So not not looks pretty. I haven't adjusted it yet. So yeah, I was gonna say there's no adjustment that looks pretty cool just out of the box. I haven't even tweaked the Algato yet. The face cam. Yeah, let's see where we can go. Yeah, I mean, you know, I'm happy with the built in iMac camera. Right, right. Well, that looks pretty good. I'm not a I'm not a camera person. And you know, that is sometimes a lot of the conversations that go on about the Sony's and the yeah, well, I'm using it. I'm using a 10 year old Canon EOS 60d. So I was gonna say some cannons. I was gonna say some cannons, but I want to get in trouble. Yeah, yeah. But but mine's mine's ancient, you know, and I'm quite pleased that it's actually working. I don't know, you know, I'm sure my picture quality would be better, but I'm just using what I've got. As I'm talking, I'm starting to realize that I'm trying to be a minimalist, I guess, when it comes to. Yeah, yeah. Somewhat of a minimalist when it comes to my stream, I, I, you know, if, if someone were to give me a camera, I probably would sit down and watch all those old tutorials and dianas and docs and get up to speed on it. But for me to invest in that, especially after I've invested in these two computers, I feel like, yeah, yeah, I've shown that, you know, I'm not afraid to invest in myself. Yeah, it's just me. It's just, it's not that serious. Like when I'm watching a video, I'm not and, and this just could be my taste is just all about your own personal preference. When I'm watching someone's video, because I love to watch tutorials. I will watch live streams. You know, I will watch, I will sit there for an hour and watch my life. I am not thinking, wow, I wish their background was blurry. Yes, yeah, yeah. That doesn't occur to me. I just want the content. Yeah, you know, what's Eileen's YouTube channel? Eileen Smith. And you already know how to spell my name, Michael. Thank you very much, my dear. So actually, if you just search for my name, since you know how to spell it, ILE, A and E, search for that in YouTube and you will find me. And there's one other girl who spells her name like me. But she's a pole dancer. So I don't think you'll get us confused. I mean, but she's a professional pole dancer. Hey, don't laugh at my other ILE now. He teaches classes and everything and she is amazing. She's from Singapore, by the way. But she took my name. She got in here on YouTube before me. Before you, you've been on ever, though, haven't you? Yeah, I've been on since 2009. That's what I'm saying. So she got that because she got here before me. Yeah, two million views was it recently? Say that again, right? I said, if I did really annoying, the channels only have like those weird numbers, you know, like you can't, you don't have like a URL to your channel. You can change that. If you if you go into the settings, then if you go into the and I wear it, you know, 100 subscribers, right? Yeah, 100. Yeah, yeah. So my now is youtube.com. Yeah, once you get to 100, you'll be able to change it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know why they give you the numbers at first, though. It's just kind of weird. Like, yeah, yeah. It's an arbitrary number, really, isn't it? But there you go. Yeah, I think it's just a legacy system, you know, it was just like that before they came up with giving us the URL, the custom URLs. And so they make sense. We have squatters come and steal all the channel names, right? If they didn't have some protection. Well, they still do that. Subscribers, they go out there and they do so for some get the hundred subscribers and squat on whatever name they want. And there's actually a lot of people that have multiple channel names. It's just that URL is a little different, you know? But yeah, because sometimes when you search for people's channels, you'll see a bunch of things come up in the list. And it's like, I don't know which one is the right one. Yeah, that's why I'm glad that for me, it's just me and my pole dancing friend. There are a few Alec Johnson's out there as well. So that's part of the reason why I went with a specific name for my channel rather than my own name. Yeah. And you know, the only thing is then person has to know how to spell yours. Same way they have to know how to spell mine. But Yeah, most people spell my ALEX rather than ALEC. Which is a different name, actually. Right? It is. But no matter, people still always write ALEX because it's just a far more common name, I suppose. Okay, so is that your full name? Because like, ALEX is usually short for Alexander. But your name is just Alec. And that's it, right? That's it. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to make sure I know who I'm talking to here. So how have you found being part of the yeah, I know that you're you've been there before everybody else, but you know, being part of the like, let's get live community docs community and things like that. You know, what are the what are the sort of main standout features of that for you? When I first met doc, and for some reason, I can't remember the first time I saw him, I'm sure it would have been in the ECAM group. And at that time, he didn't have the LGL group. But once he started the LGL group, and I think he also had come on a few of Diana's streams. And once he started LGL, I was like, Oh, yeah, I'm definitely signing up. And then he started doing the classes. Yep. And initially, he just had him as one offs. I think that was only like for two weeks. Yeah, for like two weeks. And then by the third week, he set up the membership. I was like, Yeah, just give me the membership. I ain't got time to be coming here every week. Paying, you know, $10 or six, whatever it was. I was like, just give me the thing for the whole year. Yeah. And I absolutely love it. I love, I love the community. I like you said, we're so diverse. And that's one of the things that I really love about it. And it's just so many different levels of experience. Yeah, there's one in a group that haven't even gone live yet, you know, or just starting off. And then you've got people that go live every day. Yeah. You know, and have thousands of live streams under the belt. So I love it. I've got to say, I've got to say congratulations to Michael, by the way, on doing his first live stream into the group this week as well, Michael Powell. Yeah, he did do it. Yeah, I missed it. Yeah, I have to come over. And so I guess when I'm in my head, you know, with your you got this long to do list. I feel like, okay, if I as long as I show up on Saturdays for class, and I can catch up with everybody's done. And like tonight, I was going to do my own live stream. And I literally was sitting here debating like, where am I going to go live? Am I going live on Facebook? I'm going live on YouTube? No. I was like, oh, let me just watch a YouTube video. So I hit my subscriptions. And I saw you I was like, Oh, and I wasn't planning on coming in because I you know, this is the first time I ever came in. So I was glad I was like, Oh, good, because I actually combed my hair. I did to my one. Yeah. Greg did too. Yep. So yeah, so I can't I'm not staying but I just wanted to pop in. And, you know, tell you I'm really happy for you for you. Oh, thank you. So consistent with the content that you've written out and it's so helpful. Well, thank you very much. I'm glad glad you find it useful. Always. And you're an inspiration. One day I'll hit your two million views that you've got on your channel. Yeah, that kind of snuck up on me. Like, yeah, because I remember when I hit a million views, I was like, Well, it's only it's a it's million, but it's only one million. One million, but when you got two million, multi million. Yeah, yeah. More than one million. And then somebody thought the other day I had a million subscribers, I was like, No, not subscribers views. It's quite mind boggling, though, to think of that, isn't it? It's quite mind boggling to think of that. That many people have sat down and watched your content. It's amazing, isn't it? I mean, did you hear the story about my coworker? Ah, the one. Yeah, go on. Yes, she says we were looking for Amazon Echo videos and I saw you on YouTube and I told my boyfriend, I know her. Shut up, I know that's my coworker. And she was so excited. I was like, I got fans at work. Yeah. The next one will be. It's so funny, because most people don't even know that I do YouTube or any of that stuff. Well, I haven't told anyone. I know to be honest, because part of the reason for that is I don't want to bring over people to my channel who I haven't sort of found organically, if you like, because part of this thing is for me, it's an experiment to see how quickly you can grow a YouTube channel as well. So for some of my other work stuff, then I want to be able to tell people that I work with how to grow their YouTube channels and things like that at some point in the future. So I wanted to see how this could all be as an experiment. So I haven't posted about it on my personal Facebook page. And I think I've got, I don't know, about three and a half, four thousand people that I know on there. So I could just drop a link in there, but I just want all of the followers or the subscribers rather to be sort of totally organic. So although my daughter did tell my parents, she phoned my parents and said, did you know your son is a YouTuber? So nine. Oh, wow. Yeah, I've got I've got two daughters and she is. Yeah, she laughs at my thumbnails, but she is proud of me. So yeah, she'll be she'll be next starting her own her own channel. So that's another thing really part of me is just sort of figuring out how to do it. And then at some point when she wants to do it, I'll be able to help her out as well. Yeah, it's so weird with the way YouTube does with kids channels now. And yeah, you know, because they had to take away the comments and all that stuff. Yeah, gotta be really careful with those. I didn't actually, I didn't know they'd taken away the comments, but I'm very sort of reluctant to just sort of start letting them do stuff online in general, to be honest. But yeah, I don't blame you. Trent, you know, take your time with that. Because definitely, you know, she could always she could always start off on the TikTok or, you know, something else. To be honest, I'm a bit worried about any platform, to be honest, never mind. Yeah, that's true. I get it. I get it. But she has actually been making her own videos already. She's been doing some little videos for herself and she's much better at it than me, to be honest, because kids, they just, I don't know, they're just naturals, aren't they? They're growing up with this, you know? Yeah, yeah, like when we were, well, you're a lot younger to me. But like when I was growing up, you never the furthest thing from your mind was actually for you to be, you know, for me to be behind the camera, like that wasn't even a thing, like, you know, I suppose she's used to watching like they got choices, like, should I do TikTok or should I Snapchat? Yeah. But not in a very tentative way. So she's into, into Minecraft and she watched some YouTube videos of people, people playing video, people playing Minecraft. So she is used to sort of, yeah, YouTubers and things like that. So one of the things about YouTube is there's so much on it these days, like for kids, like when I was growing up as well, we had specific children's television and it was all, you know, you'd like to think that there was some thought behind it in terms of the quality of the television being for, like, child's development, basically, whereas a lot of the stuff on YouTube for kids these days is just a little bit, you know, a little bit mind numbing, really. But it's, it's exciting for the kids. But I'm not sure the level of development that they're getting from it all the time. But yeah, it's interesting because, you know, you got to look at it from the other point of view, too, it was like, yeah, well, who knows? Maybe there'll be a game developer one day. Yeah, that's true. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. It's it's a weird, it's it's so different. And I guess it was different like this for our parents as well. Yeah. So, yeah, I'm glad my daughter's an adult. But I do, you know, I do have a grandson who was 11 months old. 11 months. That's lovely. They'll be I'll be going to, you know, out to California for many turns one. Lovely. Yeah. So anyway, I'm going to go. Cool. Well, thank you so much for coming on, Eileen, and that lovely to see you as always. Great. And nice meeting you, Greg. And I knew I saw you had up my friend host Eileen on on on your channel. Yes. And actually, it was his live stream on Haps, but Haps, the way Haps works is when you bring in a guest, that guest, they have to have a Haps account as well. And then they can stream their channels to their platforms. So, you know, I was privileged to be on with host Eileen with the founders of Haps. Nice. Nice. Yeah, it was cool. I had met one of them before, but then I met the other one. And then it was other top creators on there with Bobby Bicker, who is an artist, you know, like with paint and and then Tim David, who used to be an ice skater and now he does live streams in New York and Times Square and all that good stuff. But yeah. So Haps is another platform that I know most of the folks in our Let's Get Live group haven't really explored, except myself. But I love it. I love it. So I usually do my streams there on Sunday, so I'll probably be doing one unless I do it tomorrow. I'll do my Sunday stream there for sure. But yeah, Greg, thanks. So I didn't know. So you've known host Eileen for a while. Yeah, here and there. He's he's been beta testing my new platform as well. So we we chat. What's your platform? It's called Zellis. Oh, yeah, I'm on there. I have a Zellis page. We'll see now. Now you met another founder. Yes, I'm always honored to meet the founders. Yay. Hoselle's a big advocate of Zellis. Yeah. In fact, I had heard of Zellis before I knew that about Hoselle having it. And then when I saw his I was like, all right, I'll sign up. Well, so I guess the new stuff Alec and I are still plotting our experiment to to do the e-cam integration. We're going to test it out. Awesome. All right. So definitely put. Sign me up and guess what my Zellis page is? I mean, I mean, now I have to go look. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, y'all haven't touched it in since I set it up. Or maybe I've put a couple of tweaks on there and but I need to get some new content on there. But yeah, yeah. There's a bunch of stuff I'm experimenting right with right now. I actually got myself stuck in a rabbit hole of finding Lincoln bio pages and comparing them. I didn't know there was like a new one every day. There is. So now even by the coffee has one now. Yes. Actually, Alec, I was going to ask you that. Do you use the HTML over the widget for buying your coffee or I do. I just never normally have it on. I should probably. But yeah, I really actually have it. I did. Yeah. Yeah. I was I responded to the message. You know, the thing with with buying your coffee is if you reply to the message in the app, I feel like it's a little bit. I don't know if it's a little. I think I didn't hear back from you. So they probably didn't even notify me. Yeah. Are you replying inside of the mobile app in in buying me. So if I if I go to my buying me a coffee page, it's it's there and my my reply is there as well. Let me have a look. I was just asking. Do I do it on desktop? Or are you doing it on mobile? That's a question. Oh, I see. On the mobile app. But then it appears when I go and check it on the desktop. Yeah, I don't know. I get the feeling that it works better when you do it on desktop. Right. Right. Yeah, because there was one I did on the mobile the other day and then it just didn't even it didn't show up on the desktop either. So but then on the desktop, I couldn't see exactly where to how to do it on there. There's there's a few. I'll tell you I'll tell you real quick. You just got to make sure you're signed in. I don't know why. Buy me a coffee. This is as far as I'm concerned. It's a bug. Right. You have to sign in every time. Like every day you have to sign in. Right. Right. So you won't see it because you're there. You're looking like Greg sent you some coffees and then you open that up, but you don't realize you're not logged in. And so that's why you don't see the reply button. So you have to log in. Then you've got to go back again and find the link to go back to Greg's comment yet that they need to fix that. Very annoying. And then you will see the reply option there. Right. So this is how I get on these rabbit holes, Greg. And so I just followed you on Zella's also. Thank you. There's just one more I got to tell you guys about. Because I'm also a podcaster and it's called PodPage and I have fallen. I've seen those every day do a cool product. Yeah, it's a good product. Oh, everything that I've asked them for. It was already there and I was just looking in the wrong place. No, it was already there. I was just like trying to stop the developer now. Well, what about this? And they were like, oh, yeah, it's there. But what about this? Oh, it's right there. Like, oh, everything. I lost track. I'm like, everything I wanted is in the app because you also can have a blog. So my last thing where I tried to stump them, right? Can you hear me? I noticed you changed the layout. Sorry. Yeah, that's OK. I don't mind that you changed it. I just because I'm going on. I don't want to I want to make sure everybody can hear me. And OK, so you see it now where you can reply. Yes. So this is the reply I put at the time. And I did this in the in the mobile app and it came up. It doesn't mail me, though. Like, I think it's got you. Right. Right. But then there's this one. So yesterday I had this one and then I replied to that in the app, but it just hasn't even appeared here. And then in here, I can't see how to actually just even. I just want to I just want to click and reply. But I am actually logged in. So I'm definitely because that's not a comment. That's them becoming a member. Yeah, that's OK. So that's what the different deal is with that one. Yeah. But that's a. Go ahead. So I sent them an email separately because the thing hasn't actually popped up. But yeah, this one, Greg, I just assumed that you would be notified of it. But obviously not. So yeah, it's possible when to like a spam thing to that I haven't I didn't actually check, but. Got you. Got you. Yeah. Yeah, it's not actually a comment and that's why you're not able to reply to that. That person just went and wrote a bunch of stuff when they signed up for your membership. Yeah, yeah. OK, I'm still figuring out buying me a coffee. There's a few little things about it that I haven't quite figured out. That's a little perk. I think I think that's above that they need to like if anything that's posted there, you should be able to reply to. And I I saw in the back end that there is now, in fact, they send us an email when they send us the email about the new bio link. Yeah, they also said that there's messaging now and people have been asking for messaging. So even if you wanted to just message Greg. Got you. Yeah. To say thank you. It wouldn't appear on the front page, but he would definitely get it then. Yes. Yeah. They would just get it as a message. But real quick before I finish about pop it. Sorry. I'm going to finish. Pop it before that's OK. You can actually write a blog separate from your podcast. OK, you can write articles. And I asked today, I was like, well, do we have an RSS fee for the blog? And they were like, yeah, just put feed on the end of your blog. I was like. Yeah, because then I can do a whole lot of things with an RSS feed. Yeah, yeah. You know, use automation. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So I converted from a radio public had something called pod sites. They didn't have any of the stuff that pop page has. Right. And I and I actually think that they're going to shut down pod sites because, you know, well, you probably don't know if you're not a podcaster, you wouldn't know that radio public got acquired by a cast who are pretty big. And so my thing was that's why I had to get. I was like running for the hills. I'm like, oh, they're going to shut down pod sites because they don't need it. A cast has the advertising and, you know, they've got all kinds of money. So they don't really need pod sites. Whereas pod page is like we just want to serve podcasters. We are dedicated to you not have needing to worry about WordPress or any of the other platforms. And I have enough WordPress woes in my life. Yeah, I've not I've not used WordPress for years now. I did used to have a couple of sites running on it, but not used it for over over 10 years, 12 years now. So I'm sure it's come on a little bit since then, but we're using ghost. I try I'm trying out ghost for our of that one. Which is more similar to medium, right? Ghost seems a bit more like medium. It supposedly it's kind of like blends membership and subscriptions kind of together. It's kind of like running your own sub stack. They position themselves as sort of like a creator platform or for monetization for creators. But it's but it's it's writing. It's all written content. OK, cool. Yeah. All right. So I will follow your block, too. Yeah, feel free. We should have you on the show sometime. We do we stream twice a week. We just doubled this week to two shows instead of one. Oh, cool. What's the name of it? It's the created economy. Here, I'll put a link in here Oh, that's absolutely my my wheelhouse because that's why I'm hanging with because the creator economy is my thing. All right. Wait a second. It's funny because hopefully says nobody's been talking about them like hopefully can I show you some old blog posts? I've been talking about this for years. I know you probably haven't heard because we just got acquainted with each other with Twitter spaces and all that. Right now, I'm sitting. I have two workstations as you guys just know, right? This one, I just realized I don't have any sticky notes over here. So I'm going to have right on a big huge piece of paper right on your zealous page. Oh, yeah. I found it. Good idea. What? You should come in. You can start streaming on your zealous page. You can actually stream now to YouTube and Twitch and Facebook from there. Awesome. OK, all right. So listen, I'm going to write stream. All right, because I did hoping we can become like a stream, restream or replacement, I guess, for E cam folks. Yeah. All right. Don't hang your hat on that. I just want you to know because. E cam is going to give us multi streaming. I hope they do. Yeah, I just, you know, I just don't want you to spend a lot of time developing something. And it's like five weeks later. You know, my target customer. But OK. Yeah, OK. You're certainly a viable audience. But would you can be? Would you can be doing that all on your machine, though, as opposed to? Oh, I don't know. Because they don't they don't answer any questions about it because it's not really. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. We don't know what they would do it hosted because they already do the interview mode hosted. So true. True. Yes, I suppose. Yeah. Yeah. Who knows? Because when when Kenny Glenn get to working on something, especially when it takes a long time, a really long time, I bet they're wizards. So I I don't even try to predict, you know, I've done it before. I learned from my mistakes. I'm like, oh, they're probably going to do it like this. They're probably going to do it like that. No. No. It don't it don't even be what I think. So I gave up. I gave up a long time ago. I'm like, when you've got a wizard, you just it's like going to a magic show. You know, you just sit back and watch the magic. I mean, you can sit there all day trying to spin up or they'll probably do it like this. I think they will do it, but that's just me. I know other people thrive off of that. They was like, try to like figure out what. How are they going to do this? Yeah. Yeah. And me, I'm like, I'm too old for figuring all that stuff out. Y'all figure it out and then let me know and I'll be to test it for you. Because I had a bad experience with restrain. I did. So yeah. Yeah, but this was over a year ago and they have evidently because a lot of happy campers on restrain. But I use StreamYard. So and I'm going to I'm an advocate for StreamYard. And so and in fact, I've even got videos of one StreamYard YouTube channel if y'all. But I still always use my my virtual cam or e-cam. I don't care what I want. If I'm on Zoom, I got my virtual cam or e-cam live. I'm sorry. And I never, never used OBS, never downloaded it on my computer, took one look at other people's tutorials and I was like, nah, I'm not wasting my time with that. That's like the blurry background. Yeah. No, thank you. I'm good. Yeah. I did go down the OBS route for a while. And that was before I even found out that e-cam existed. It was there, but I didn't know about it at first. And when I found that, I was like, see, all that time, I would have wasted learning. Yeah. Tutorials out there. I just saved myself like months and weeks. Yeah. Waste. Now, I like I said, I learned I just sit back and watch the magic happen. Yeah. But Greg, you're going to tell us how you're going to do multi streaming. I already do multi streaming. And tell no, tell us how your zealous is going to do it. You can go use it right now. We were we're basically building a stream yard replacement. I'm a stream yard. I use stream yard, you know, twice a week right now, but we're I'm going to switch off a stream yard soon. Why would you replace stream yard? There's perfectly fine company. Well, I mean, are you going to be cheaper? Like, what are you going to do different? Are you going to be cheaper? The main thing is we help you make money while streaming, as opposed to just providing the tools. Now, that's apps. That sounds like hats. Have you met apps? I've seen apps. I'm not I'm not interested in haps either, because I don't want to build a social network. OK. Interesting. All right, I'll just sit back and watch the magic. You'll see. You should tune in. We do our show once a week on actually on zealous now, the aftershock. So you're going to have me on the show. I'm fine with that. Come on. We are we're already booked up through September 1st now. Awesome. It's been nuts. Well, you know, our space has a lot of things going on in it. So there's a lot to talk about every week. So what's the what's a URL for your zealous? It's just zealous.com. And I'll find you there. Zealous.app is the official site for zealous. Yeah. If you haven't seen that, you might there's some updates there. But I'm running out of space on my sticky note, but I've got room for that. I had a question for you. Did you watch? Did you see Tom and Heather's video about community this week? I didn't see see their one. No, it's one of the ones for me to go back to watch. I've not seen to have had much time to watch stuff this week. But is it on your YouTube channel? I threw like half of it. Sorry, would you say, Eileen? Is it on your YouTube channel? Do you guys have YouTube? Who? Us or? Oh, well, who are you talking about just now when you say Tom? Tom Buck and his wife have a couple of shows. And he talked about community platforms as well this week and just the value of the community. So could. Yeah, it could be a good, a good listen. Yeah, yeah, definitely. I always catch up with their stuff, even if I hadn't watched it at the time. Yeah, this is what happens when you're like part of the LGL group. You say by like half an hour, like I had a question for you, actually. Do people I say, I noticed people streaming into the LGL group. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that I'm encouraged up. Yeah, yeah, if you've got like, I mean, some people like, like Rich Graham, for example, he'll just stream like every week before his live the next day where he records his podcast live, he'll just go live into the LGL group to sort of test all his scenes out and things like that. And people jump on and tell him how it's going. So yeah. And like Michael, he did his first live stream this week into the group. I saw my yeah. Yeah. And that's because it's like it's it's the sort of little private group. But there's enough of us in there that we can give each other. I wasn't sure like, I was like, how can people are streaming into here? And I was like trying to understand, like, what's going on here? Warning, here's the warning. You will not see people's names when they comment. Yeah, you have to be a group or maybe you will only because Facebook, as I mentioned earlier, has like one of the worst APIs. And you're not supposed to only admins are supposed to. However, randomly, sometimes you will see some and sometimes you're not supposed to see any names. So you might want to have a device or you just ask whoever left the comment. Who is that? You know, because sometimes people will know that you can't see the name. And sometimes they don't. And, you know, like I said, Facebook is inconsistent. So yeah, why? You saw my name last week, how come you don't see my name now? Because Facebook, hello. But anyway, so that but that can that can throw you off, especially when you're in a group with friends and then you see all these comments come up as Facebook user and you're like, you get distracted about what you're trying to stream about because you're trying to figure out who is that saying hi to me? I don't know who the user is. You know, so I just that's that's the only caveat that you have to worry about. We're streaming into that group other than that. It's all good. Have you ever been to Doc's office hours, Greg? No, I didn't even know what that is. Right. So if you go to buymeacoffee.com slash Doc Rock and then every every Saturday US time in the evening. I forget the time. It's it's 4 4 a.m. for me. So it'll be five Eastern time in the US on a Saturday. And yeah, there's between there's usually at least 25 of us in there. But the week before last was like 36. And yes, just talking everyone's doing their own thing with streaming or with YouTube and things like that. And then it's it's Doc's group, obviously. But the power is in the people that are in there as well, because everyone's got their own sort of specialties, their own skills and things like that. And yeah, sometimes we might just focus on like one person might have some issue with lighting or something like that. So we're focused on that. Other times it's Doc's got some idea about some new feature or something like that that he wants to talk and we all just jump in into it. So it's it's great. But I mean, it's what is it 10 $10 a month is the you can give more than that, obviously. But it's $10 a month. And when I started, I was thinking this was going to be like, you know, a one hour Zoom call or something like that. But they usually go on for like two or three hours. So and then you get a Zoom. It's a Zoom every every week. Yeah. So it's just unbelievable the value in it and in the the people in the in the group as well. They can. All right. All right. This is my last time I'm going to say bye. And I definitely will follow with you, Greg and Alec. I'll see you in class. See you in class. I mean, thanks a lot. Bye bye. I've got I've got you on the wrong person. I'll let me assign you to this. There we go. That's better. So what I wonder where my leg is coming from? Why is that leg? I'm not sure. I wondered if it was on my end last time, because obviously you're sort of coming into mine and then I'm streaming it out again. But then on the other hand, it's not with with Eileen. So I'm not really sure. Yeah, that would be. Wonder if I'm but the way that you're so the way I'm coming out here. Yeah, is you're pulling me in to your stream or to your system, right? Yeah. And then you push it back out. I think so from the camera, right? Yeah, yeah, because it's obviously I've got to be able to do the, you know, putting it into scenes and things like that. So as far as I'm aware, the processing is on my. Yeah. On my end, but I wonder if I'm just sending more bandwidth down from this camera. Like if it's greedy and it'll just try to take as much data as it can. Right. Now, Paul's saying that he's he's seen you out. I've seen him on his channel as well. In other places, too. Heck, maybe Paul is dragging down my bandwidth. That's what it is. It's Paul. Paul's the one. It's Paul's fault. Oh, Paul's saying that. No, you're fine. Right. Right. That is weird. Yeah, I'm not ruling out the fact that it's something on my end, because as I say, I'm running on a pretty ancient machine really. So we'll see if it improves when I upgrade. I don't have any leg obviously here. And like when I see myself here, it's fine. Yeah. I think we're I think there's some fairly senior chops here. You have to be a little more clear. So how did you find out about the LGL group then, that Facebook group? So my friend James Hicks. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So James and I are very old friends. I met him. Oh. It could be like eight or nine years ago. In person, actually, like I was speaking at a at a WordPress conference. Oh, wow. In Arizona. Yeah. And James was actually there doing some media and video blogging for the event. Right. Right. So that's what games for the first time. Yeah. Paul says he's way more senior in both of us. Okay. But you look so young in that cartoon. Yes. He does. Yeah. So James is like, oh, man, you got to get in this group. And I was like, oh, OK, cool. I'll try it out. And yeah, I like it. It's a lot of fun. And I see, you know, what to your point about the community, I think it's like I've probably been tuned into three or four streams today. And it's all people in the community. You know, yeah. You were sort of roving like I saw your post this morning and I'm like, OK, I'll get home in time to to pop it and say hi, you know. Yeah. Well, you're a regular. So we're. I'm a regular. I have my own team now. Yeah, that's right. I'll I'll I'll work on the actual title overlay next time. Yeah. Yeah, it's funny because there are all these sort of like distinct little communities in a way, you know, there's like Doc's community. Diana's got her sort of group as well. And all these other people have got them. But it's all kind of one as well. So we're all in each other's in each other's streams and things like that. And it's always this, like you say, it's the same thing. I do think that the like the four of us that you mentioned there share is so like James makes like content. Yeah, it's not stream. Like we we're kind of meta because you talk about streaming right. Like we're constantly talking about like the business of streaming and how to stream and stuff like that. And it's interesting mix because a lot of the people in there don't like aren't talking about streaming like they're talking about like their own topics, right? Yeah. And that's the thing about Doc's office hours is, as I say, it's really diverse. I mean, you've got Carly doing her things about yoga. There's Glenda who does like crafting with those cricket machines or making crafts and things like that. I heard him mention that today. I was I didn't know what he was talking about. Yeah, it's like it's like a desk. It looks a bit like a desktop printer. I suppose I didn't know who he was talking about. But now you mentioned the name now. And then there's there's like Scott who does stained glass craft cutting things like that. So it's just everyone's doing like these really, really interesting and unique things. And then the the reason they're in the group is to find out how to do that online. So yeah, it's it's just a really, really great, great group of people. But it does sort of it was like a totally unexperienced yeah. And then poor Duncan and then there's the whistle lady. So who can't hear that's Keely and that's her logo is a big red whistle. So yeah, Doc called it the Canadian whistle lady. She's busy covering the so she covers you. Yeah, she covers the hockey. So she's busy for the next two weeks with the with the Olympics. But yeah. So yeah, it's like when I when I plan to do my YouTube channel and as I said, sort of a group signed up to do Doc's office hours the day after my first stream, my first video to YouTube. And I wasn't really sure what to expect. I was thinking I was just going to be making these videos. And I had no idea of the sort of back end community that was there sort of waiting on the other side of that thing. And it's just it's been a huge sort of motivator. I wonder how how I would have got on like without that supportive community that's there kind of kind of motivating you and all the things that you learn in office hours. I've always come away with like a notebook full of notes after the office hours. It's good. That's good. Yeah. Yeah, I do find the community very supportive and very small. Actually, I mean, fairly tight knit not necessarily small. But yeah. Yeah, I I'd followed a bunch of these folks pretty like before knowing any of them or meeting or chatting with them. Yeah, because I I've been live streaming like on and off for two years. Right. Right. And but not with any regularity or necessarily any specific purpose. And so like I'd followed live streaming pros and you know, and Tom and a bunch of other folks just to because I was interested in the topic. Right. Me too. So now it's just fun to like know them a little bit, you know, which is cool. Yeah, that was the thing for me as well. When I started, you know, doing this and getting onto that side of the community, you think oh, this guy's here or she's here or he's here or you know, it's like yeah, it's pretty funny. Well, it's fun. It's fun when you like meet someone who you've been learning from. Right. Like, yeah. Yeah. Are you do you ever come to the States? I haven't no the last time. Well, the only time I went there was about 20 years ago. So no, I hadn't been. Oh, wow. Ages. Yeah. That was a. Well, there's a story about that. That was a it was going to be like a bit of a road trip. So San Francisco then drove to Vegas and then to L.A. And then back up to San Francisco and me and my friend arrived with a map of the U.S. And we're like, right, we're going from there to there. It's a bit further. Everything was a bit further away than we imagined. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. L.A. to SF is actually a much longer ride than you. Oh, actually, well, SF to Vegas is a very long ride. Oh, tell me about it. So yeah, we we set off from this is just I'm sure these people laughed at us, but we set off from San Francisco. Like we were going to cross get the mountain range now. We're going to go across there and then like sort of to Reno and then down to Vegas. But we we stopped to ask directions like three hours out of out of San Francisco. And it was late at night and walked into the some sort of roadside bar or something like that. And there's this this sort of pasty English guy walked up. Hello. Is this the right way to Vegas? And they just burst out laughing Yeah. What kind of car you've got? You might need a little bit quicker. And then the other thing was the drive down from Reno. We were in a convertible and I wasn't wearing a hat. And I don't know if you can tell from my complexion, but I tend to burn easily. And so I wasn't wearing a hat and I arrived at Vegas and like my head was just bright red. Yeah. And I went into I went into the hotel where we were staying in Vegas and they got like a little shop there. So I went to go and buy a hat and I put the hat down on the counter and the guy just looked down at the hat, looked in my head and said, it's a bit late for that. So yeah, but it was it was good. It's good, good fun. Yeah. Yeah. That's a super interesting. Yeah. I lived in I lived in San Francisco for 10 years before we moved here to Denver. So. So we drove actually when we moved here, we drove from SF. Right. But we drove through Vegas also. Yeah. It's a good long ride. We went south instead of going north through God, like Tahoe side. So it was a little shorter, I guess. But still a long ride. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. My guess is I'll probably end up getting to meet a bunch of them at VidCon this year as well. Yeah. And the are you going to the people of video? I'm still debating if I should or shouldn't. It's in Albany, which is kind of an auto location. It's like upstate New York, which is right. I'm not sure how convenient it will be for me to fly from here to there. So like if it's like a connecting flight or any of this nonsense, like, like I'm automatically not interested in doing it. Right. But yeah, also that month, I think we have VidCon. So. So I'm probably just going to, you know, save up for our VidCon trip instead. Right. Where's VidCon? It's in Anaheim near Disneyland. All right. Right. Yeah. Actually, next two weeks from now, I have I have Jim Lauterback, the GM of VidCon coming on our show to talk about VidCon and what's going on with the conference. Yeah. How about the have you seen the leap into live? Oh, in fact, I think I've seen that you've signed up, in fact, the leap into live streaming. Is that 30 days? It's seven days. Let me get it up. I forgot. There's a couple of these. Yeah. I know Lori is having a. Oh, this is the Ecam one. Right. Ecam live one. Yeah. Yeah, I signed up for that. Yeah. Like $20 for five days of all these great people. It's great. It's awesome. Yeah. Leap into live is the URL for that one. Yeah. Really looking forward to that. That's going to be. Yeah, because I've followed so many of those folks. I was like, yeah, me too. Yeah. I need to actually subscribe to Ecam, I guess. My trial expired. Oh, right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Definitely do that. It's you know, it is this funny thing like I've watched so many videos on how to set up Ecam, but like then you actually go do it. You're like, oh, man, this looks this is a lot harder than when you're watching someone who knows what they're doing. Do it. But it's you can sort of get, you know, you don't have to have all the sort of the flashy graphics and things like that straight off the bat. No, no, no. Yeah. It's it's it's easy. It's it's very easy to use. But like, you know, it's when you're trying to. Yeah, definitely. Paul, that's why I'm probably going to do it. Is I'll probably just do a year in July. Yeah, because I have a few more days left to get in on that. I don't think I need interview mode though. So I did. There's two plans, right? There's like a. Yeah, so the the pro plan is it's interview mode, but you also get to use it as a virtual camera. So you don't get the virtual you don't get the virtual cam in the regular one. No, I don't think so. Yeah, that's that's the other that's I mean, that's that's why I got the pro actually originally was because I could use it in in zoom. I'm not sure what the other the other differences are. But yeah, that was the big one for me. Interesting. OK, so I guess I'm going to get that one. So what do you use at the moment then? Do you just have your for your like shows? I just go straight in. I saw I stream using StreamYard right, large largely because I all of my shows are interview shows, kind of like like what you have here. Yeah. And I have a co-host, my best friend, but he's in Seattle. And so we're never in the same place anyway. So we're always dialed in. Right. And and then soon Zellis will replace my use of StreamYard, which I already paid 50 bucks a month for for StreamYard. Right. So. But I'll be able to get rid of that, at least. And then my thought is to use Ecam, though. Locally, now to have like, oh, by the way, my face cam does not work. Like I can't get it to it turns on, but I can't get the software to load. So I don't maybe have to do my computer or something. But I think like I want Ecam now that I'll have like two cameras set up and some other things like that. And that makes more sense because like it's very hard to do that in StreamYard. You have to like get into the little toggles and right, right. Which it if you want to try to do anything fast. Yeah, Paul, I had the reason I don't need to interview mode is that Zellis's interview mode is way better than Ecam's. It's not quite as flexible, but it also supports 15 people instead of like four. So so that's why I won't. I'm not worried about interview mode per se. But I could technically I could technically have it dial Ken in and then we could we could push out as well. So yeah, I don't anticipate using it, but I could use it. One of these days I'll have to show you Zellis soon. I can you'll you'll see. Yeah, well, I just this week I've just seemed to have been. I don't quite know what I've been doing, but I've been not seemed to have had that much time. So I've been busy with other work stuff. And then my mornings have got yeah, that that late night, 10 o'clock that threw me out on Monday. So yeah, that happened Wednesday. Same thing. I had a late night. I had an in person event that I hosted and we had like 150 people at it. I got back late and then basically Thursday was trashed. Yeah, yeah. I was just useless. So but I'll definitely get on to checking Zellis out next week, though. Yeah, we can set up a trial a demo to show you some of the capabilities. But yeah, that'd be cool. Yeah, we did get the multi streaming in technically. It's in there now. And so I haven't actually multi-streamed yet with it either. But yeah, we did. We divided our show up into two because of we had too much content. So we're like, all right, we're not servicing everyone the best. But there's some interesting challenges for live streamers in the YouTube universe. You post real videos, so you aren't going to suffer from like the same sort of problems. But YouTube like is very hard to get like live watch hours and stuff on right, right? Compared to sort of like normal videos that are posted because they treat them differently. Yeah, I've always wondered that. Yeah, I know. But I sort of see that myself in terms of like, if I'm looking for stuff sometimes, if I see that somebody's done something live, it I make the assumption that it's going to have a different vibe to somebody who's just posted a video, like some people record their tutorials or things like that live. Whereas that, I don't know, I sort of I sort of view those differently myself as well. I do go back and obviously watch live streams that have happened because of people in the community. But so how's what is something changed in YouTube then in that sense? Or is it just I think it's just that I think it's less as change is just that, you know, like all the modernization tools and all of the thresholds that exist. I think you need like 4,000 hours watched in YouTube in like a 12 month window. Oh, of course. Yeah. That's the monetization side. Yeah. Yeah. And and that's very hard to get. I I'm not actually I don't care about that per se, but but if you are trying to be a live streamer on YouTube, I see what you're saying. I get it could be almost impossible. Like I think I watch the video that you sent you posted in the group. Right. Yeah. Yeah. That's like, it's crazy because he's like, thank you forever to get there because yeah, they don't count it the same way. Right. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah. So there's some challenges that I think, you know, for creators, I think ultimately that are trying if they want to do more live or be live is their primary format. There's some disadvantages. Yeah. Yeah. He did mention in there that you should probably be also posting sort of regular videos as well. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for me, that was I haven't figured out what to post a regular video about though. Right. Right. Right. Yeah. That's yeah. Yeah. If you're doing live, it's it's hard, isn't it? Well, it's weird because it's easy and hard, right? Like like there's a orchestration kind of different skill set in being a live streamer. Totally. Yeah. But also, you don't have to pre-plan necessarily as much, right? Like if you have a good community or you're bringing in guests, you can sort of win. Yes. Yeah. You know, to some degree, right, depends on how professional you want to be. But if you're doing a video, you've got to make at least an outline and you got to like follow some steps and record. Yeah. Extensively have a sort of topic to it. Yeah. Yeah. Do you understand? And you haven't tried Descript at all? I've got Descript and I've I need to start using it because I've actually got it. And the idea for that was originally I got Descript for what it was. I'm supposed to be making a podcast, but I still haven't. So I should include that in my update. I still haven't made another episode. So I'm still only at three episodes and that was supposed to be all about my process of growing the channel. So I've got to get back into doing that, but I'm going to start doing it in e-cam live and maybe just actually do it as audio or as video, as audio. But I figured if I actually just record it live into my Facebook page, because I don't want to put it on the channel itself, my YouTube channel, because it's actually it's about growing a YouTube channel. So where is my? You can make it unlisted on your YouTube. Yeah, I could do. Yeah. I could do that. But with e-cam live, you can actually export have it so that it saves the audio track separately as well. So and it's really good, actually, because it strips out the like the the music and things like that, the different tracks as well. So so the way I was doing it before was I was recording it and the idea was I drop it into Descript and then whereas I don't do any editing on my videos, usually more or less in the in the audio. I thought I'd just take out like the Oms and Errs and stuff like that. So that's what I was and it doesn't automatic, right? Yeah, yeah. But also what what it can do is you can sort of like cut little bits out of it and make micro content and stuff like that. So I thought well, I might start doing some of that as well. So you can like this could quote and yeah, that into. Yeah, and it actually makes these little things called audiograms where it like puts the script does that by itself. Yeah. And that's cool because there was another service called audiogram that did that. And I thought they were awesome. Right. Well, this yeah, this you can do it all all sort of inside there. The other thing about Descript is one thing I haven't been doing is uploading my own captions for YouTube. Whereas with Descript, if you just drop the the YouTube video in there, it'll export the SRT file for the captions and then you can upload that to YouTube. And YouTube apparently gives you a bit more of the special YouTube juice if you've actually uploaded your captions. So that's something that I've got to do. And so I plan to sort of go back and do that. But have you looked at Jarvis as well, which was previously conversion to AI? And that is no, because I use I use Otter right currently. And the the transcription is not good. Yeah, I was like very amazed by Otter and and you know, I subscribed and everything. And we and it's you know, it's good. I used to use Rev.com ages ago for my old streams. But it was like a dollar a minute, right? So it was very expensive very quickly. Yeah. Well, Jarvis is actually like the rate. Descript, what's it called Jarvis? Jarvis.ai. That's something different. But that is for that's actually it will write content for you. So if you've got a blog or something like that, but it's seriously you think like, oh, that's yeah, yeah, let me see what that's going to do. It is amazing. It is unbelievable what you can do with it. And like if you want to write you know, like sales copy or things like that, you can put in what the product is, what your main selling feature is and then the sort of tone that you want for it, whether you want like a positive tone, you know, a different sort of way, you know, the tone of the language that you're using and it will just pump out like a thing, you know, here's the problem, here's the solution, here's the, you know, the tagline and stuff like that. Honestly, it is mind blowing. We had in our office hours last week, we had the whole thing. Yeah. So it wrote a sermon on Saturday. So in our office hours last Saturday, there's a pastor that's in our group that is you know, he's in the group for that, learning how to live stream his services and things like that. And so as an example, he's, Doc just said, right, well, what's what do you want to write a, you know, a text on? And it was like a sermon on whichever verse it was and things like that. And it just pumped out like this whole thing that's totally artificial. But what it's doing as well is they did one for Kali, who's doing yoga classes. If you were going to market a, you know, a yoga class or wanted to promote it, then what are the sort of the feature, you know, the sort of classic format of here's the problem, here's the features and here's the benefit sort of thing. So they said, right, well, what do you want to do? So she said, well, let's say yoga for lower back pain and then click the button and it pumped out these things like if you are, you know, X, Y and Z, then one of the things you need to consider is, you know, about how to look after your back on things like this. And these are the different poses that would work well for that. And it's like, it literally and she was just like, I can't believe it. It actually knows like all about yoga. Because basically it's just scraping everything that's going on online to understand. Do you know if it's GPT3? I don't know what that is. It's not scraping in terms of it's not like taking other people's texts. But what it is is it's kind of learning from all the content like what the current trends are and things like that. And so it's kind of learning in that respect. Yeah, it's mind blowing. So that is something that is another one of these things that I always keep learning about these things and think, oh, I've got to learn about that. But using using that with descript is like a really good pairing because you can take your own content that you've done, say, like on your YouTube channel like cool quotes and good ideas out of it. Yeah. Yeah. And then take that and drop that into into Jarvis and then have Jarvis generate like some blog posts that are based on your words and your, you know, your ideas and themes and things like that. But then it could generate the blog posts that you're going to have us like accompanying it. It's just it is one of those ones that's like, I mean, I was a bit mind blown by descript. Have you seen the feature where it can actually add in your own voice as well? So yeah, that is super creepy. It is a bit creepy, isn't it? But like if you want to. So if you're for anyone who doesn't know if you if you want to sort of add in a bit of extra text that you forgot to say in your show, you go through a sort of voice learning process and then you just type in what you wanted to say and it says it in your voice like unbelievably. So that was a bit mind blowing, but Jarvis was the same sort of thing for for sort of written text. It was just, yeah, mind blown. But I haven't I haven't actually signed up for that one yet, but it's one of those ones that I want to sort of add into the at the road. There's another service. I don't think it's as functional as this, but it's called copy.ai, I think it is. And it's a similar concept for is more for marketing and writing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, this this is good for I mean, I'm thinking of using this in some of our other businesses as well for exactly that copywriting. And yeah, sales copy and stuff like that. It's super cool. Yeah. Well, not cheap, but I mean, it's pretty good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's like the the Jarvis one is there is a free plan where not a free plan. There's a low cost plan where you get, I think, 20,000 words, which it says is, you know, more for short form, content or like little tweets and things like that. And then it's a hundred dollars, I think, 110 dollars for the sort of pro version. And then there's an extra one, which is an extra 10 dollars, which they call boss mode or something like that. And we just saw that. So that one, the interface of it is you just type in it. So you could say, write me a sermon about John chapter, whatever, which is what doc did at the weekend. And you literally just type in what you want it to do. And then it just goes and does it. Whereas the the sort of the the other other levels, you've got sort of different like recipes, if you like. So you just say, I want to write a YouTube description or I want to write a, you know, sales copy or whatever it is. But it's yes, pretty yeah, pretty awesome. The future, huh? Yeah, the future where nobody's actually writing their own stuff. We just need it so it can actually make your videos for you next as well. Videos.ai where you could deep fake yourself, I guess, right? Yeah, it's already getting there. It's not far off, is it that? Yeah. Wow, pretty, pretty scary stuff in a way. Absolutely. Well, Alex, this is a great chatting, by the way, always, as usual, it's my boy up from cool, cool, cool camp. Well, thank you for the coffees, by the way. I'm sorry you didn't get the message. Oh, no, I like, I knew I see you, so it didn't happen. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's funny, like, I think I'd sent them to you after I'd watched one of your videos. I forgot which one it was, or it maybe was your first live stream. And we were just chatting in the chat, but I forgot what it was. But yeah, no, I appreciate it and appreciate all the hard work you're doing. Yeah, thank you. Well, yeah, well, I'll definitely be getting on to Zelis this week. Let me know whenever you need a hand syncing it up and we'll give it a try. But you feel, I don't know if you're ever awake when my show is on, but feel free to pop in as well. What time does yours, what time is yours on? So we do two shows. We do Wednesday at 3 p.m. Mountain Time. So I'm GMT, I think minus six. Right, right. And so almost like this time, actually an hour earlier, we're still going usually at this time on Wednesdays. All right, right, cool. Yeah, we do three to five. And then on Friday, we do it in the morning. So it's at 8 a.m. Pacific or 9 a.m. Mountain Time. So so we do a new show now on Fridays and we do like an interview show on Wednesday. Yeah, cool, cool. Yep. So yeah, I'm sure you'll love to at some point. Yeah, yeah. Well, we run it interactive. So our whole show, the whole model is actually like audience involvement. So yeah, yeah, we bring people up on stage. We know we have people from Clubhouse and Twitter spaces like piping in the audio. So yeah, our whole thing is meant to be very interactive with our audience. Cool, cool. I'll definitely I'll definitely catch. Yeah, we'll get we'll get you on one day, too, to talk about your when you finish your experiment, we'll get you. Yeah, yeah, to come on and chat as a creator. Yeah, cool. That'd be lovely. Nice one. All right, Alex. Have a great have a great weekend if I don't see you. Yeah, you too. Nice one. Thanks a lot, Greg. Bye everybody. Bye bye. Cool stuff. Right. Well, I think that is nearly me wrapped up as well. And yeah, thank you, everybody, for coming along to to chat and great to see familiar faces in the in the stream as well. Yeah, it's a bit of a change for from my my first one. And I think I caught your comment earlier, Paul. I certainly have come on a little bit since my first one. And I've come on in the fact that there were actually no people watching for the first couple. So it's always nice when you feel like you are actually speaking to people and speaking to familiar faces, which, again, is this thing about the community, really, that, yeah, you're not sort of making videos and things like that for anonymous people to to watch. It's that you sort of feel like you're actually speaking to people. And often when I make these videos, there's people that I've got in mind for them as well. But I know that are, yeah, there's a couple of people, at least, I know are sort of waiting for them and sort of about specific specific things that they've had or specific issues that they've got or things like that. So that's probably a good point to say, if anybody's got anything in particular in any of my other videos that isn't clear or if there's anything that they'd like to see me make a video on, then I'm always open to suggestions and to have quite a long list still. I'm I'm definitely not going to run out 100 videos. But I might just keep on going, actually, for and do 365 in a year. We'll see. I've certainly I can certainly waffle on about enough text up to do that. So perhaps that's what I'll what I'll do. But thank you again, everybody, for coming along. And I know that I'll see most of the people that are watching, certainly from the people that are in the comments. I'll see most of your office hours. And hopefully, Greg can join you with office hours as well. It's just such a wonderful group of people. You're all amazing. So with that, I should go to my after screen. My stream deck, by the way, speaking of stream decks, has been playing up a little bit. It's been a naughty boy. So I need to sort it out. It keeps dropping out of my profile. But I think that may come back to the amount of answer my own question, actually, that I'm not using it in a powered hub. So perhaps that is the the thing. Once again, Michael, congratulations on your your first live stream into the group. It was it was really great and you've done an awesome job. So Michael, you're having the issue with your stream deck as well. Are you? Well, we'll have to have to get to the bottom of this, won't we? I'm thinking it's from what I was going to do is hold off badmouthing my stream deck until I until I upgrade my my computer and see how it works with that. I have actually got a powered dock on the way as well, because I'm going to I'm going to need that. So we'll see if that solves the problem. I hope you get your computer woes sorted out as well. Paul with your your Mac mini and get it all up and running again. It's never nice when I think these things go wrong. Computers are amazing until we have issues with them. And so you're having the same issue. All right, well, I tell you what, I'm going to go and put a little comment somewhere or question and find out if there is anybody else having these issues as well. I think it will to Paul. Yes, the powered hub. Yeah. I'm probably expecting a bit too much for it. And in fact, I've not just got I've got quite a few things I've got. Yeah, it's it's probably my fault with with my one, as most things are. And I did I did notice actually that when Eileen dropped out, Greg's Greg's lag disappeared. So I think it might be it might be on my end that Greg joined joined after Eileen. And then when she dropped out, then his lag issue sort of resolved. So as with most things, it's usually my fault. It's usually a problem with my hardware or whatever. But anyway, enough of that now. And I will just go and find my end screen because it is somewhere here. I'd like to like to put it up. So thank you once again. And I look forward to seeing you all in class tomorrow. Cheers. Bye bye. And it didn't come up. Oh, there we go. Oh, dear technology, I can't live with it. Can't live without it. Bye, guys.